Hello xda,
I've condensed this thread down a bit...
Point being despite HTC's minor improvements in the camera app since it's release, many Evo owners on here including myself find that the stock camera quality leaves much to be desired.
Some small steps have been made on the dev side of things to improve audio etc, but there is bad compression, bad stabilization, bad audio quality when recording loud environments, and horrible quality in low light.
Im not getting on a soap box, the Evo simply doesn't compete with it's droid brethren for the most part.
Depending on what is involved, I started this thread seeking either a new app built from the ground up, or some serious software improvements made to the Sense cam.
I'm sure there are many technical problems to overcome to make this a reality, but hopefully with the talent that is xda, the Evo can one day take decent pictures without needing perfect light, and 10 minutes to focus the thing.
Here are some ideas towards improvement:
1) First and foremost, a clean UI, being on an Evo, HTC style would be nice with the charcoal black, and reflections, but then Transparent/translucent would be even nicer. I don't want an iClone, but their UI is simple and easy to use, and IMO aesthetically pleasing, CM6 on the other hand looks outdated as does HTC's silly menu access, and zoom bar.
2) Good Codecs... I'm sure things get tricky here. Do we have to use open source codecs, and drivers? Are there limitations here that laypersons like myself don't understand? Are there royalties involved, and why did HTC/Android use the codecs that we currently use... The audio codec used now is from NES era, and bumping up the khz just may not be enough. CM team is already proving there are workarounds for this.
3) I hate Qik, and I hate Fring. Each app contains good things that the other doesn't, and I don't want to compromise. Neither should you. There should be a better app, and that app should be integrated into the Camera app. If I'm taking a video of something, or if I decide I want to video chat with someone while my Camera app is open, it would be nice to make one click on the camera UI, and have it bring up a call function. Full screen image, with thumbnail for front camera, NO walkie talkie button to talk. Again, think clean and simple.
4) Swipe to zoom, and Touch to Focus (TTF). This should be the standard, for both video and camera. And while I'm using the video recorder, I'd like to be able to do both if possible. Not have to zoom, then hit record. That's crazy.
5) Some kind of image stabilization. Whether I'm taking videos or pictures, it looks like a crackhead with Parkinsons shot it. I do suffer from the shakes a little but for c'mon, I've seen better image stabilization on Walmart cameras.
6)Integrate a more user friendly Gallery, like 3d gallery.
The gallery from HTC looks like it was ported from my other failure of a phone, the Instinct. If the developer is savvy, they could sell some kind of photoshop, or video edit add-on to give us creative control, and focus the main app on usability and quality. Save the editing stuff for later.
7)Add volume button control to take pics/vids. Having physical control on such a large phone is definitely handy. No pun intended.
8)Ability to shoot raw, (or close to uncompressed) pics in addition to better compression as a whole. The sensor supports raw, and people would love to have this.
9)While I haven't used it personally, a lot of people seem to want panoramic ability, and seem to love it.
10)HDR capability
11)Control over the flash intensity. A major problem is that the flash is super bright during dark shots... This usually results in washed out useless pics unless taken at distance. We know we can control the flash steps using the flashlight, so a way to step it down is needed.
This is the idea list.
It seems people will pay between $10-$20 for a good functioning camera app, that we don't have to install a different rom to utilize. I don't expect perfection, the phone's only been out a few months, and Android a few years, but come on, the source code has been available for a couple months now.
We have the hardware to do this, and camera apps like Vignette, Camera 360, and others are just simple overlays with edit functions, not true dedicated hardcoding, that alters the way the computer perceives the color and light entering the aperture.
Thanks everyone for entertaining my rant. Let the bumps begin!
I would gladly pay $4.99 (In Rubles) for a good functioning camera app
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That's like $.17
Well, I'm definitely glad somebody else has finally brought this topic back to light; as far as I know there have been "some" gains but not as much as it could be. I recommend starting a bounty to show devs we're serious about getting this out off the ground.
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tl;dr
Summary: My phone isn't a Canon 7D with video conferencing like in the show 24 or a gallery app like Microsoft Surface. Fix it and I'll pay seventeen cents...EVERYONE JOIN ME.
*sigh*
PS: You could always take up programming and do this yourself, you know.
Cyanogen said on twitter recently he its working on the camera ui a bit. He knows the menu system is a mess.
Fixing the ui graphically (theme) would be easy, doesn't require much serious programing chops.
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You know, it isn't all that silly to compare the iphone 4 to the evo's camera. Hardware wise there both from the same company. And if model numbers mean anything, shouldn't the Evos CMOS sensor suggest its better?
iPhone 4: Omnivision OV5650 1.75u BSI 5MP, RAW sensor.
HTV Evo: Omnivision OV8812 1.4u BSI 8MP, RAW Sensor.
So yea looking at there specs, i think were getting a crimpled camera experience. HTC just doesn't know anything about cameras, and/or GPU's . judging from there lack of GPU acceleration woes with winmo lol.
Edit: Who would like to take RAW HDR photos on there evo? xD, if the iPhone 4 can do it, so can we. Just gotta wait for some community development to kick up.
Wow, okay I see this subject is delicate so I'll try not to be my usual sarcastic self so much when posting.... Minus the trying not to be sarcastic.
Lighten up guys. I was joking about the rubles, and serious about the idea.
Edtate has the right attitude, and has been actively involved in this discussion for months now. Optimism and creative spirit are what's needed here, then we hand that off to the guys with the ingenuity. See how that works?
The whole reason I started this thread is because ideas become convoluted, and die out without an end goal and creativity driving them.
I don't want to start a bounty in open source community, there has been much of that lately, and it seems to result in much conflict. It also defeats the purpose of open source development. Like I said tho, I would pay about $5 for something that meets (most of) my requests, as would others.
And no, I don't want a Cannon dslr, just want my phone to perform on par for it's specs, and advertisments, let alone its competition. The point is in the details which I pointed out in the OP.
Finally, I just want to say that naysayers always nay, that's their duty. The rest of the world says "let's do this". I'm not a programmer, and don't really think Id learn quicker than someone who already can, which I why I started this. Those who wish to help, feel free to get in on this.
I have good management and organizational skills, as do many others here, that alone tells me its too early to give up on this idea.
By the way if money is your incentive, build this app. People WILL buy it.
And, as I said previously its only silly to compare the iPhone outside of the camera HW.
Other than this, I believe our hardware is more than capable of giving the same experience as the iPhone or other modern phones. After all this is supposed to be the Evo 4g, the phone with superpowers!
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And, as I said previously its only silly to compare the iPhone outside of the camera HW.
Other than this, I believe our hardware is more than capable of giving the same experience as the iPhone or other modern phones. After all this is supposed to be the Evo 4g, the phone with superpowers!
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my apologies, totaly missed this part. VVVVVVVVV
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They use different hardware outside of the camera realm, and surely differences in the codecs also.
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but at any rate. This is reassuring, if all of the differences on camera quality is being dictated solely by software, then surly we can do something about our camera woes.
P.S- Compared photos taken with my Evo pitted against my friends HTC HD2, i got so embarrassed. something from a winmo phone was doing a gazillion times better than my evo could. No grain, better flash, amazing color depth (even in low light conditions), no yellowish tint, just pure natural color. What was HTC doing when they RUSHED the Evo out the door?
I would definitely help with UI if thus had some lead.
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Wow, maybe I should have paid the 99 for an HD2 after all. One of the main reasons I got this damn phone was for the stupid 8 mp camera.
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U can always sell ur evo for 99 dollars and go get u that hd2 see how windows 6.5.treats u let me know ill buy it for 99 dollars if that's what u want this thread is for good ideas or someone willing to help not nagging he made it clear what the camera issues were cheers
Ok I'd like to help with this. I suck ass in java (only did it like 7 years ago for high school) but I've been studying it again for android. I've only made one app, it's unreleased and unfinished but hey it's something... I can work on the basic gui though. just draw up something on a paper and post it on the thread or email it to me. ( pirokosan at gmail dot com ) I want to get this started... Tired of the stock camera and I hate sense.
yes i hope the devs will see this
Camera's fine toy with the settings
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I support this idea, I used to take amazing pictures with my Blackberry Bold...
I would surely pay $10 or more if this app went on sale.
I'm a flickr addict. This phone is 8mp. I'm sure it won't compare to my 450D but I bet it can damn well come close to making my point and shoot pointless.
I'd gladly switch to aosp if this app becomes a reality.
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This excites me that somebody is trying too get the ball rolling with this! If I knew anything about these other than flashing ROM's, I'd be all over helping get this developed. For now, I will just stand on the side cheerleading (and bumping thread).
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lmao @ comparing HD2 to the EVO....
Maybe you could part this in the Incredible forums too? Hell give me a better camera and I'll pay $10
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Well, the main reason I support this is because with a custom camera app for the evo will more than likely mean a custom camcorder app; to which we've been trying to unlock its full potential for a looooong time.
@op-I understand how you feel about bounty threads, but guess what, they work. This is a tangible feat, its not like we're reverse engineering proprietary software lol. All we need is a kick in the right direction, to which I'm willing to start of nothing comes out of this thread.
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I'm starting this thread out of enthusiasm for my new Touch HD. I recently "lost" my Athena when my wife neglected to grab it with my laptop while exiting a taxi. I had my baby daughter in my hands and didn't realise that she wasn't aware of my phone as well as my laptop. So... Out with the old and in with the new.
First off, the Touch HD is beautiful. A lot of people are posting videos of the Touch HD and the iPhone, side by side. Of course, we get most of these videos through youtube, and of course the iPhone always looks brighter.
Let's get something out of the way, the iPhone has a capacitive screen. That means there's no metalic film between the lcd screen and your eyes (edit)(Touch HD has a resistive screen, there's a metalic layer there... .
So, brighter it is. What you won't notice with youtube (on account of crap resolution) is just how clear everything is on the Touch HD in comparison to the iPhone.
I've owned two iPhones in the past, and I'm happy to say goodbye to freezing apps, or altogether phone freezes. (edit) before people argue with me, yes the Touch HD freezes from time to time, but usually when I'm pressing it too hard with apps or a new rom. If I use it like normal it won't freeze... Not something I can say about my iphones...)
Something else to smile about is, although the user interface of winmo phones isn't as user friendly as say an iPhone, it is however a lot more open to customization. Let's face it, who wants to have to open a stupid proprietary application like iTunes (god I'm sick of the small i now...) just to transfer some music or videos?
How about the fact that itunes (see, I'm not doing it anymore) renames videos, creating problems like not knowing which episode of a season you're watching? I don't care how much Steve Jobbs loves himself or his visions of a software utopia, to me, control and variation is everything when it comes to something I OWN.
We use computers enough to begin to take for granted, copy, paste, click, and drag. Own an iphone (still not capitalizing the second letter ) for a while and you'll soon come to miss something so easily taken for granted otherwise. I love just dragging the music, videos, and files directly from a directory on my computer to my phone. It's just so damn good...
I should thank Steve Jobbs for creating a device that would remind me how much better windows devices are than the iphone. "Thanks Steve, your phone sucks, but the lesson learned will stay with me for life."
Now, another thing I truly love about my Touch HD (and winmo phones in general) is having access to my file system on the phone itself. Let's face it, it rocks simply put.
I like being able to watch videos in my mobile browser (with a third party browser like opera of course) and not be limited to the youtube app like we see on the iphone (iHabit broken?) This just adds to the constant smiles on my face on account of the small surprises provided to use the winmo community.
I am probably forgetting a lot of things (actually, my hand is broken so I'm being lazy and knowingly neglecting to list more), but I can't forget what just may be the biggest combination that puts a smile on my face with this phone.
Flashing custom roms, and the excellent community here at xda. If I had only my winmo phone and the official rom, it'd be a pretty cool phone on account of it's inherent features (read above), but the mere fact that there's just so much support, and an ongoing river of new software, roms, and support here at xda, just makes this phone a constant surprise.
You can unlock, and jailbreak the iphone, you can skin it, theme it, and add software, but nothing and nowhere even close to that which is possible on a winmo phone, and it's thanks entirely to the individuals programming software, porting things, and cooking excellent roms.
Because of this and so many other facts, I will continue to choose winmo devices, and more importantly, keep a smile on my face while modding, flashing, cabbing, and downright enjoying the one I have now.
Caid.
Sorry, last edit. Just a note to all new users of the Touch HD. Use the wiki, I know the forum says that, but hear it from a user. The wiki for this phone is absolutely beautiful and really is a step by step on doing EVERYTHING you will want to do. It's not confusing, it's not difficult to follow, it's software community perfection in one spot.
So... USE THE WIKI.
Agreed!
It is funny, because people keep saying that they get turned off a phone because it is WinMo - I am the opposite, I get turned off because it /isn't/ WinMo! Honestly, I think we can all put up with some occasional glitches for a system the is /completely/ customisable.
Having said that...I am not an iPhone hater. I think the iPhone is great for people who are used to have non-smart-phones (dumb phones?) or PDAs, who don't have time/not willing to learn how to use one and are not particularly tech-savvy. iPhones are designed to just work out of the box - if you're not prepared to fiddle around with your phone to get the best out of it, go iPhone.
But if you're willing to play around, to take a few risks and to just have some fun with your phone...WinMo is the way to go (or Android, I guess).
Also, I can honestly say that xda forums are the only app store I need
Thanks for all the roms/apps/fixes guys!
nicely said
I don't hate the iphone myself, I've just used it long enough not to like it very much either. I got sucked into the iphone craze, how fluid the OS is, and how smooth it is. But then I used a nice winmo phone and realised all the wonderful things I can do with it. I have control. Another important thing about winmo phones is the fact that it has a great learning curve. If someone isn't tech savvy and just wants a phone, they got it. But for someone like me, I like something that takes a LONG time to really figure out. Getting into custom roms, rom kitchens, tweaking apps, registry editors, home made software, is just not an iphone option.
Caid.
not to mention that it's easier to develop useful software for winmo devices
i tried using the I am rich crap instead of ArcPad... guess who did the job
I also forgot to include the fact that with all these apps, roms, themes, tweaks...it's like having a something new to play with all the time!
Pretty much means that I shouldn't get bored of my phone any time soon =D
iphone always looked like a toy phone with it functions to me. Come on - no navigation, limited phone functions, limited software, no mms, crappy 3g. It is like an overgrown music/video player with not so great resolution and aside some phone functions. blah
mmm
I love my Touch HD Cause :
Screen the REs is HUGE and very clear .. butter then the Iphone
MMs and vid's.. look soo sexy .. widescreen etc.. better then teh Iphone
the touch is not as good as the iphone.. multi aspcet etc. but it's better then my original touch ....
I love the Winmo.. as much as I hate Microsoft, cause it's links with everything.. it's so good I use it as 8GB pen drive.. I always have it on me .. and can take it every where .. !!
hmm..
You know, let's be honest about the iphone, it's not better or worse than winmo phones, it's just different. For a lot of people who want a movie/music player, it's a great phone. It's just not ideal for people who want to dissect and customize. As I stated earlier, being able to load custom roms on my phone is what really floats my boat.
Again, my phone isn't better than an iphone on a grand scale, it's just better than an iphone for me. And when I buy a phone, that's what matters.
Caid.
At the risk of being stoned to death before being shot and hanged while being burned at the stake:
Is anyone working on getting WM7 ported to the Evo?
I, for one, like the Evo for it's processor, front facing camera, powerful rear camera, 4G connectivity and giant screen.
I don't know android at all yet (and I have nothing against it at all) but I like to keep my options open.
Just to be 100% clear - I am not saying Windows Phone 7 is superior to Android, nor am I asking which one you think is superior or for your evaluations of either OS and their strengths and weaknesses.
That's what the HD2 is for.
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That's what the HD2 is for.
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How does the HD2 help you if you are a Sprint customer (as all Evo owners are)?
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How does the HD2 help you if you are a Sprint customer (as all Evo owners are)?
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That's what tmobile is for
Hell no. Wait for the Mondrian or the several other devices being released with WM7 by companies like HTC and Dell if you want a device like this running that OS. The Evo is an Android phone, and Windows Phone 7 isn't free, open sourced software. Phone manufacturers have to pay for each copy of the software they put on each device, so there's little to no chance of getting it on this phone.
Supposedly the new WP7 HTC phone will have a 1.3Ghz processor. Windows takes up too many resources and the UI is hideous. I can't believe people give it so much praise and we don't even have a working model. The ONLY good thing about WP7 is the xbox live part but we don't even know what that's going to be about. I personally think the UI is hideous.
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Supposedly the new WP7 HTC phone will have a 1.3Ghz processor. Windows takes up too many resources and the UI is hideous. I can't believe people give it so much praise and we don't even have a working model. The ONLY good thing about WP7 is the xbox live part but we don't even know what that's going to be about. I personally think the UI is hideous.
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I guess you're not a big fan of Scrabble, then?
In all seriousness though, it's a shame they're giving up functionality for aesthetic appeal. What's the point in rearranging artfully arranged sliding squares when I can simply set icons and widgets anywhere on one of my 49 customizable home screens?
It's hideous. Another turn off is that the text in the squares is cut off. I don't want to see CONTAC instead of contacts. I think it's going to fail.
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It's hideous. Another turn off is that the text in the squares is cut off. I don't want to see CONTAC instead of contacts. I think it's going to fail.
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You don't like cut off words? That's impossible! How could you not like cut off phra-
I think this poll needs an additional "There's a D&D Android app?!" option.
I honestly like the way WM7 looks. The squares work very nicely together, and the way words run past the edges of the screen give it an artistic feel. Anyone familiar with the concepts of graphic design will appreciate the GUI.
The XBL add-on is the major reason I'm excited, I just think it'll be an awesome feature, however they implement it. I'm hoping it'll show which of your friends is online, what games they're playing, and access to your achievements. At the very least
As for being on this phone... it might be neat, but I'd rather get a device designed for WM7. Or flash the HD2.
I just saw the tags on this topic. Lawl.
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ROFL!!
WM7 is a giant step back in many ways with it's artsy fartsy ui. I'm not sure why they are going this route. It reminds me a little of the pre, all this focus on look zero time spent on function. It's like they are trying to further dumb down the iphone which any 5 year old can use and I'm not sure they are going to impress either crowd.
Xbox live sounds cool until i look at the form factors and realize these are not gaming devices. I may just pick up the rumored psp phone, especially if it runs android or another non totally retarded os simply because at least that is a mobile device I'd enjoy playing games on as it has the proper hardware.
bobjase said:
at the risk of being stoned to death before being shot and hanged while being burned at the stake:
is anyone working on getting wm7 ported to the evo?
i, for one, like the evo for it's processor, front facing camera, powerful rear camera, 4g connectivity and giant screen.
I don't know android at all yet (and i have nothing against it at all) but i like to keep my options open.
Just to be 100% clear - i am not saying windows phone 7 is superior to android, nor am i asking which one you think is superior or for your evaluations of either os and their strengths and weaknesses.
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no no no no
Aridon said:
WM7 is a giant step back in many ways with it's artsy fartsy ui. I'm not sure why they are going this route. It reminds me a little of the pre, all this focus on look zero time spent on function. It's like they are trying to further dumb down the iphone which any 5 year old can use and I'm not sure they are going to impress either crowd.
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I played a little with a UI theme designed around what's been seen so far, and (at least the theme) it worked pretty well. Contacts slid smoothly, Zune-like, into the screen displaying your contacts, complete with assigned pictures. Of course, it's only assumed that it'll use Zune-esque menus. Either way, I enjoyed the aesthetics and the touch-friendly interface. WM for years has been a highly touchy UI, so it's about time it's moved into a world that has less tolerance for styli. If it continues with something even close to the level of utility WM has now, I'll be a happy man. We'll see how it works on release, I don't really want to praise something I only kind of know about.
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Xbox live sounds cool until i look at the form factors and realize these are not gaming devices. I may just pick up the rumored psp phone, especially if it runs android or another non totally retarded os simply because at least that is a mobile device I'd enjoy playing games on as it has the proper hardware.
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I don't think they're meant to give you the gaming side of XBL, but rather the informational side. I know I like just looking through my friend's list and comparing their played games and achievements to mine, and that's probably all they'll have. I'm sure if mobile gaming kicks off they'll offer Marketplace games for Mobile, later down the road, for phones made with that in mind.
every word i have heard is that the hd2 is not going to be wm7, at any point in time. as i understand it, the hardware architecture is simply incompatible. likewise with any device produced thus far (except the kin, i think, and it's close relative). the best you would get on the hd2 is a type of look-alike port, but without the same functionality.
although, i'm not sure why one would take a perfectly good OS like android and put wm7 on it, other than maybe just to give it a whirl, lol. that being said, i suspect that the architecture on the evo will probably have the same limitation as the hd2.
WM 6.5.x was the pinnacle of WinMo... It had so much potential. WM7 killed it. now its just an webOS/iphone OS... it sucks. WinMo is dead to me. :'(
Of course I'd like to see a port. Now whether or not I will actually use it for anything more than showing off will depend on how good wp7 is and the port... but the more options the better imo
Wm7 on Evo
I have read that a guy found a way to launch either android or windows mobile 3.1 using dos box on an android phone. What about WM7 i don't know. I think on this forum people could accept that there are guys who like android OS and those who like WM7 OS. I personnally would love to have a HTC EVO 4G phone running both OS system . Having that 4G phone running WM7 would be nice for me because there are some ppc softwares that i don't find on android and that can be only run on a Windows mobile 7 phone!! I had the Nexus one and the HTC HD2 and i already sold them. I'd found really amazing to get an EVO 4G running WM7 'cause it would be an exploit and i sure i'm not the only one who want to see that. Plus the HTC EVO 4G will have 8 megapixells compare to the Mondrian and the HD2, the Winmax (4G) and seems much nicer!!! Let's sign a petition of who wish to see that or not and we shall see!!!!
Full disclosure: I'm a bit loopy after getting my wisdom teeth out, so I may not be thinking straight, but I have a quick question about an app idea (I'm assuming this would be the correct place to post). I have no idea if something like this is possible, but could an app be created that mimics the functionality of corrective lenses? As in, if you specify whatever your eyesight is, something other than 20/20, could the app augment the way things are shown on the display to compensate for that? Physics is probably working against me here, but I figured someone on XDA would know if this could be done.
Personally I have horrible vision and I can look at the camera and see perfectly fine since it makes the image all of a foot away instead of the twenty feet that it really is... I hope that makes sense to others.
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That is true...I guess this wouldn't be very useful since the phone will be close to the person using it
So you're wanting an app that makes the phone and it's fonts do the correctiveness.. This would be cool, and should be possible for very basic eye problems, but the dev may have to assume both eyes are equally weak or the same prescription, but allow customizing per person.
The dev may have to be savvy on optimity.
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So you're wanting an app that makes the phone and it's fonts do the correctiveness.. This would be cool, and should be possible for very basic eye problems, but the dev may have to assume both eyes are equally weak or the same prescription, but allow customizing per person.
The dev may have to be savvy on optimity.
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Yeah, that's pretty much it. I don't really know how to do it, it was just an idea
I think it would be cool.. You know how some far-sighted users can barely read anything at arm's reach.. Like they need longer arms.
It would be cool...the question is, is it possible?
I was thinking, with all the high-res pc screens being around for so long, and a pc app like this has not been created, yet, I don't think this would be possible on the lower resolution if the phones.
Another reason this may not work [well], it's that my father-in-law used to use a manual-focus camera and film. During his final years , he continued to shoot pics without his eye glasses and he would focus to his naked eye. The end result was a blurry pic that even looked burry to him.
I write this example to sample the complexity of the issue.
I think this is possible, but terribly complex from person to person. I may have access to a doctor at work for their feed back.
couple things i'm concerned with
i use talk with all of my friends and my wife, is there a talk app for wp7?
how is the navigation?
thinking of getting the focus s
how bad is the transition from android to wp7?
svtfmook said:
couple things i'm concerned with
i use talk with all of my friends and my wife, is there a talk app for wp7?
how is the navigation?
thinking of getting the focus s
how bad is the transition from android to wp7?
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yes there are a few google talk apps!
The nav isn't great but there are alternative apps that are good.
I personally love it, I remember you from the x10 forums.
Switching for me has been a great experience.
Never any lag, and a nice coherent fluid experience throughout the whole os.
Try to get a focus 1.3, win7.5 is out for that currently. The win.5 is smooth and more easy to use than android
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what is a focus 1.3?
svtfmook said:
couple things i'm concerned with
i use talk with all of my friends and my wife, is there a talk app for wp7?
how is the navigation?
thinking of getting the focus s
how bad is the transition from android to wp7?
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There's GChat. The OEM nav is excellent but you have to tap the screen to progress through the voice notifications. The best way to use the Nav is through the search function rather than through the nav app.
I'd say go for it. It's an excellent system. Just don't expect much customization...actually expect a better, more refined iPhone experience.
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There's GChat. The OEM nav is excellent but you have to tap the screen to progress through the voice notifications. The best way to use the Nav is through the search function rather than through the nav app.
I'd say go for it. It's an excellent system. Just don't expect much customization...actually expect a better, more refined iPhone experience.
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though dev unlocking does help with customization quite a bit as homebrew has workarounds.
The os really is a work of art imo.
Gchat doesn't compare to Messenger on Android. None of the workarounds come close to Androids native apps.
If you're used to the Google ecosystem, you'll absolutely hate this OS. If not, then you may enjoy this OS.
vetvito said:
Gchat doesn't compare to Messenger on Android. None of the workarounds come close to Androids native apps.
If you're used to the Google ecosystem, you'll absolutely hate this OS. If not, then you may enjoy this OS.
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I used android for two years and love it...
Why do you seem to hate it so much but use it?
I actually find the social integration and overall experience much better than android, and worth the trade off of constantly being able to flash roms and change launchers
vetvito said:
Gchat doesn't compare to Messenger on Android. None of the workarounds come close to Androids native apps.
If you're used to the Google ecosystem, you'll absolutely hate this OS. If not, then you may enjoy this OS.
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this is one of the more well-known trolls in the wp7 fora. Don't expect much positivity from this end.
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this is one of the more well-known trolls in the wp7 fora. Don't expect much positivity from this end.
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i just don't get why if him and n8ter hate it so much, they dont just get different phones?
Trade or something lol instead of spending all day complaining about it on here
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what is a focus 1.3?
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Its in reference to the REV # (on the ORIGINAL Focus phones), which is seen on a sticker under the battery. Rev 1.3 was the main shipment, but Samsung for some reason changed the chips for Rev 1.4 and that batch caused all sorts of mayhem with updates due to differing firmware needed.
However, Rev 1.4 phones are also now receiving Mango so I wouldn't worry much about it.
*edit* Since you stated you wanted the Focus S, this isn't an issue
As far as moving from Android to WP, I made the move back in Feb and will never look back. There are a few things it still needs, but its barely a year old and Mango brought 90% of what I need, into a vastly superior UI experience and stable platform with what is to me, a much larger potential for greatness than the others. The next year is going to be pretty exciting for both WP and Win8 and I expect it to grow pretty well over the next 12 months.
dtboos said:
Its in reference to the REV #, which is seen on a sticker under the battery. Rev 1.3 was the main shipment, but Samsung for some reason changed the chips for Rev 1.4 and that batch caused all sorts of mayhem with updates due to differing firmware needed.
However, Rev 1.4 phones are also now receiving Mango so I wouldn't worry much about it. Although, if you can avoid getting one it would be beneficial for who knows what the next update will be like for these.
I bought 4 used Focus phones and none were 1.4. All from ebay. It was a smaller batch of phones so chances are you will not get one.
As far as moving from Android to WP, I made the move back in Feb and will never look back. There are a few things it still needs, but its barely a year old and Mango brought 90% of what I need, into a vastly superior UI experience and stable platform with what is to me, a much larger potential for greatness than the others. The next year is going to be pretty exciting for both WP and Win8 and I expect it to grow pretty well over the next 12 months.
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he's looking at the focus s though...
Not an original focus
Trolling equals posting a opinion. Ok.
Not my fault this POS OS sucks. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer this embarrassing MS product. I'm ONLY using it because the guy I got it from freaking hated it, and damn near gave it to me. Plus it'll hold me over until the Nexus price drop.
This OS is great for information, but totally sucks at actually doing anything. Smooth natively, laggy beyond that. The apps more than just suck, they cost money and still suck. App support is nowhere to be found. Don't believe me , read the comments from the very very very few users in the market place.
Im a troll for being a dissatisfied user. I find it hard to believe that it's 2011 and people are satisfied with crap. This OS makes simple things hard, ex moving the cursor. Another example video mms. Sharing ringtones? Simple stuff. I could go on forever.
You can still enjoy the phone if all you do is Facebook , twitter, text and read information. That's it.
vetvito said:
Trolling equals posting a opinion. Ok.
Not my fault this POS OS sucks. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer this embarrassing MS product. I'm ONLY using it because the guy I got it from freaking hated it, and damn near gave it to me. Plus it'll hold me over until the Nexus price drop.
This OS is great for information, but totally sucks at actually doing anything. Smooth natively, laggy beyond that. The apps more than just suck, they cost money and still suck. App support is nowhere to be found. Don't believe me , read the comments from the very very very few users in the market place.
Im a troll for being a dissatisfied user. I find it hard to believe that it's 2011 and people are satisfied with crap. This OS makes simple things hard, ex moving the cursor. Another example video mms. Sharing ringtones? Simple stuff. I could go on forever.
You can still enjoy the phone if all you do is Facebook , twitter, text and read information. That's it.
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Glad you could get your thoughts out 0_0
vetvito said:
Trolling equals posting a opinion. Ok.
Not my fault this POS OS sucks. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer this embarrassing MS product. I'm ONLY using it because the guy I got it from freaking hated it, and damn near gave it to me. Plus it'll hold me over until the Nexus price drop.
This OS is great for information, but totally sucks at actually doing anything. Smooth natively, laggy beyond that. The apps more than just suck, they cost money and still suck. App support is nowhere to be found. Don't believe me , read the comments from the very very very few users in the market place.
Im a troll for being a dissatisfied user. I find it hard to believe that it's 2011 and people are satisfied with crap. This OS makes simple things hard, ex moving the cursor. Another example video mms. Sharing ringtones? Simple stuff. I could go on forever.
You can still enjoy the phone if all you do is Facebook , twitter, text and read information. That's it.
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no trolling equals hating an os but spending all day on a forum talking about it..
It makes no sense..
The os is good, you're just a douche troll
scoobysnacks said:
he's looking at the focus s though...
Not an original focus
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Whoops..missed that. Still relevant to his question though
vetvito said:
Trolling equals posting a opinion. Ok.
Not my fault this POS OS sucks. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer this embarrassing MS product. I'm ONLY using it because the guy I got it from freaking hated it, and damn near gave it to me. Plus it'll hold me over until the Nexus price drop.
This OS is great for information, but totally sucks at actually doing anything. Smooth natively, laggy beyond that. The apps more than just suck, they cost money and still suck. App support is nowhere to be found. Don't believe me , read the comments from the very very very few users in the market place.
Im a troll for being a dissatisfied user. I find it hard to believe that it's 2011 and people are satisfied with crap. This OS makes simple things hard, ex moving the cursor. Another example video mms. Sharing ringtones? Simple stuff. I could go on forever.
You can still enjoy the phone if all you do is Facebook , twitter, text and read information. That's it.
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Better return your phone then as you must have a hardware issue. no lag here on my htc surround which is a 1st generation phone. The email is awesome and has none of the lag that the 3 android phones that peeps use at my work have.
as for the cursor, hold your finger, it appears, move it. how hard is that?
Anyway if you want a consistant phone that never needs rebooting and is very stable, windows phone is for you. There isn't as much customization as android, but there doesn't have to be. The apps from the marketplace are top notch and all have free trials so you can try before you buy.
scoobysnacks said:
no trolling equals hating an os but spending all day on a forum talking about it..
It makes no sense..
The os is good, you're just a douche troll
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cool story bro. Would've understood you better without that thing in your mouth.
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ROCOAFZ said:
Better return your phone then as you must have a hardware issue. no lag here on my htc surround which is a 1st generation phone. The email is awesome and has none of the lag that the 3 android phones that peeps use at my work have.
as for the cursor, hold your finger, it appears, move it. how hard is that?
Anyway if you want a consistant phone that never needs rebooting and is very stable, windows phone is for you. There isn't as much customization as android, but there doesn't have to be. The apps from the marketplace are top notch and all have free trials so you can try before you buy.
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open Fuse and tell me it doesn't lag. Open BE and tell me it doesn't lag, hell tell me a third party app that doesn't lag.
Hold my finger and it selects the whole word. Need a cursor marker like smartphones should have.
scoobysnacks said:
I used android for two years and love it...
Why do you seem to hate it so much but use it?
I actually find the social integration and overall experience much better than android, and worth the trade off of constantly being able to flash roms and change launchers
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You said a lot there. The social integration and especially the IM function is second to none. I find WP7's messaging function much more convenient and just as easy to use, and just as useful, as Google's Talk. But FB account is needed to make it this way, for anyone interested.
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cool story bro. Would've understood you better without that thing in your mouth.
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open Fuse and tell me it doesn't lag. Open BE and tell me it doesn't lag, hell tell me a third party app that doesn't lag.
Hold my finger and it selects the whole word. Need a cursor marker like smartphones should have.
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none of my apps lag..
What? If you tap it selects the word. If you hold the cursor marker comes up LOL
Smh
EDIT: to clarify here, I'm after people's opinions who have moved from other devices such as the iPhone 4/S, Galaxy S3 etc.
I bought the One X with high hopes and, much to my dismay, the camera really doesn't exhibit the sort of quality that HTC suggested it might. Whilst the wider aperture IS noticeable, the overal lens quality is I think very average. I certainly noticed the difference between shots taken on my S3 and the One X. The most irksome thing though is that the One X compresses images so badly, yet allows no option to change it.
I still think the lens quality of HTC cameras is below par. It might be my imagination but I still see a dull, smeary quality to images taken on the One X. It's a massive step up from the Sensation, sure, but is anyone else a bit let down by the image quality on their device?
Just as an example, I took a shot of the same view in my messy, fairly dully-lit room on my One X and my old iPhone 4. It's worth noting that the iPhone image is 50% larger in size than the one of the One X, despite the One X having a 62% higher megapixel count.
http://db.tt/rGo7L0wZ
http://db.tt/SDrPvKGe
I'm not wanting to slate the device unnecessarily - I still love it! I just feel a bit let down with the image quality, given how hyped it - and ImageSense was. Maybe HTC should change their lens supplier
How many camera applications did you try ?
I think its known that the original htc camera app does too much compression.
There are alternatives, as more threads to this issue. Did you check them out?
@Op,
I find it a bit disapointing to see people keep opening threads without doing a little search first.
There already exist a lot of threads about the camera, it's a waist on the board.
Please ask yourself what are you trying to succeed with opening this thread, what kind of responses would you get?
Yes, no, yes, no...?
Laurentius26 said:
@Op,
I find it a bit disapointing to see people keep opening threads without doing a little search first.
There already exist a lot of threads about the camera, it's a waist on the board.
Please ask yourself what are you trying to succeed with opening this thread, what kind of responses would you get?
Yes, no, yes, no...?
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Get a grip, there is no need to be a moody sod just because I said something negative about your device. I think it was perfectly constructive. I searched the forums and there is no such thread other than one about Sense Versus AOSP.
I just wanted to see if anyone else was a bit disappointed with the camera, and what suggestions they might have, as well as what their opinion is if they've moved from another device.
I like using HDR and haven't found a third party app yet that allows me to do so.
Besides which, shouldn't HTC have released a camera app that excels in the first place?
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Please use one of the already existent camera threads