I originally posted this in the general section of the main site but since it's specific to the incredible I figure I'll post it here as well...
Hello.
I have a droid incredible. 2.2 with clockwork mod and root. My question is about backing up and flashing new roms. I made a manual backup via clockwork mod of my current configuration and also took a titanium backup of all my apps and data. I'd like to test out new roms that other people have made, but I want to make sure I can always get back to my original (current) configuration via the backup (exactly how my system is right now).
My question is if I flash another rom and it changed my radio/kernel version, will that be a problem when I restore my backup clockwork mod backup? Does my clockwork mod contain my current kernel/radio versions? And are there any 'gotchas' that I should know about before I start flashing new roms? BTW, I'm planning to use rom manager to download the roms I want to test. I saw some roms upgrade the kernel and radio and this is why I'm asking if the clockwork mod backup that I took is all-encompassing.
Thanks.
If I am not mistaken, I dont believe there are any configurated roms that include a new radio baseband. These different roms rely on a new radio to be installed, by you. Check the guides listed in Inc Android Dev/Inc General Section on how to's: dadicus has written one here which is solid
Your nandroid backup will have your current system settings, text messages, kernel, apps...etc. But it doesn't save the radio config.
If your confused, pm me..or post more questions..let me know if i can help.
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Okay I have flashed Calkulin's Rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712695
The one without the OTA update that killed Root (I haven't updated to that yet )
I rooted using Toast's method - I did part 1 of his root. For part 2, I did this one
For part 2, I did this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=705113
I'm trying to flash a new ROM now. Maybe damage protection or even FROYO (Yeah froyo sounds better)
I also want to do the NOVATEK FPS bandaide as well.
I just don't know where to start. I read somewhere someone said you just re-flash a rom again with the recovery...but I don't want to screw up.
Can someone post a very brief what I should do or lead me please?
FYI, the Rom you flashed from the first link provided is stock rooted with the latest update.
Anywho, you heard right, you flash new roms the same way you flashed that Rom. Download the Rom to your sdcard, boot into recovery, wipe data cache and dalvik, flash from sdcard, choose the Rom you put on there and confirm. That's all there is to it!
The important thing to remember is to always wipe before you flash, this will ensure no errors occur.
Hey thanks for backing up data I heard nandroid and titanium which one is better
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Two different things. You should have at least one nandroid that you know works, this is used encased you beef anything up from flashing or something and you want to return your phone to the exact state it was at when you did the backup. That's the purpose of nandroid, to backup a complete image of the state your phone is in, Rom and all (excluding radio and wimax)
Titanium is a utility you use to backup all of the apps you have installed, along with their data and market links. This is usefull when flashing a new Rom so you can easily restore all of your apps without having to download and install them again and again.
Check this, it answers quite a bit of your questions and then some.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710513
Sorry for the noob question, what are the recovery roms for? Wouldn't you just need a stock to revert to if you messed up the phone royally? Also, where can you find them? I haven't seen the aman-ra anywhere, though people regularly refer to it.
Also, do all of the ROMs listed on the wiki work with 1.47? It doesn't mention the version.
Rilasis said:
Sorry for the noob question, what are the recovery roms for? Wouldn't you just need a stock to revert to if you messed up the phone royally? Also, where can you find them? I haven't seen the aman-ra anywhere, though people regularly refer to it.
Also, do all of the ROMs listed on the wiki work with 1.47? It doesn't mention the version.
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A recovery ROM is what you use to manage full ROMs, you can backup, restore, wipe, mount as USB, all outside of the ROM loaded. These functionalities aren't available from within the system itself.
It's kind of like an advanced BIOS. You can't make a full backup of Windows XP while your IN Windows XP. (ASFAIK)
Edit : Amons recovery is included in all the full root method tutorials. It's called recovery.img
So, the recovery is more of a utility than just a backup. Usually you flash what is called the recovery partition with a recovery image. Once you do that, you don't need a computer to get into recovery. Anyway, the recovery does alia you to do a backup and restore, but it is actually the utility that you flash roms with. It also let's you wipe cache and stuff which is critical to flashing your own Rom.
You would use recovery to restore, instead of flashing stock, because it would return your phone to the exact state it was in when you did the backup. You don't lose any settings or apps or anything.
When you root via toast pt 2 you wind up flashing amon recovery. There is also a thread in the dev section with a different version I think, just search amon.
And most roms on the wiki have the newest ota integrated in the Rom, but you should always consult the first post in the roms thread to see more about that.
Just a couple of questions that I need answers too as I'm reading all this info and getting distressed. Is Rom Manager, Nandroid Backup, Clockwork all the same? I try searching for them individually on the market but only get the Rom Manager to show up. All the different guides and what not are not consistent. So I'm not sure what to do there....
Rom Manager is an app designed to pull up uploaded ROMs desginated for your specific phone for easy download. It coordinates with Clockwork Recovery to perform wipes, backups, and installs of ROMs on your phone. Clockwork is the replacement recovery manager that the new unrevoked tool has replaced on your phone. Going into recovery, your phone can create nandroid backups, and flash different .zips containing roms, kernels, or themes people have made. Did that clear anything up?
yes that cleared some things up. thanks! i'll have to read more on it to fully understand what nandroid is, i just did a titanium backup and am looking to install a new kernal as i hear it speeds up the phone as well as the cyanagenmod (thought I'm not sure what the best rom is for me, but ive seen a lot of posts praising that one). so much to learn, so little time.
My wife got an Epic, while I have an EVO. I'm quite familiar with rooting, ROMs, etc. I think I've got all the Epic-specific details down, but I wanted to ask this question to make sure I've got this down.
I plan to use this root method. After that, her phone will be left with a basically stock, 2.2 ROM that uses the EXT4 file system, and Clockwork recovery image. I read that I won't be able to flash new versions of Clockwork from within ROM Manager. From then on, I will need to stick with ROMs designed for the EXT4 file system or both EXT4 and RFS. I assume I flash ROMs and Kernels just like with my EVO: choose my ROM, it will come with a kernel, but I can flash whatever kernel I choose on top of that (as long as my ROM matches my Android type, DK or EB). There are currently no Gingerbread ROMs for the Epic, but when they are released, I should be able to use CM 3.x to flash them.
OK, I would greatly appreciate if someone could just read over that and let me know if I understand anything incorrectly. Also, if someone could tell me if there's a good reason to choose Odin's recovery vs. Clockwork, I would very much appreciate that as well.
Odin Vs. Clockwork
Everything you posted above sounds accurate.
I use Clockwork to flash my ROMs just because it is easier to me (no cables involved). The only time I use Odin is when my phone is bricked. This has happened after installing Samsung updates, but it is very easy to use Odin to restore back to Stock, then flash a new ROM over.
One advantage to Clockwork is that some ROMs support a full backup. I use Bonsai4All and during installation from Clockwork it will backup your information, then restore it. As far as I know, Odin is not capable of any such thing.
Hope this helps...
OK wait, some ROMs support full backup? Why couldn't I do a full nandroid backup with any ROM I'm running from within Clockwork Mod Recovery?
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OK wait, some ROMs support full backup? Why couldn't I do a full nandroid backup with any ROM I'm running from within Clockwork Mod Recovery?
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You can use these two zips from within clockwork if you are flashing a rom that doesn't backup/restore for you.
Flash the "backup" before you wipe anything and then after you flash the rom - before you reboot - flash the "restore".
These .zips take care of data/settings/apps. Not actual system items, so they don't seem to cause some of the issues that programs like Titanium Backup cause.
EDIT: It's always good to do a complete backup within Clockwork before flashing ANYTHING new. Roms, zips, etc.!
Awesome! Thanks! I can't believe that Clockwork isn't working any better than that where it has problems backing things up. I know the EVO gets a lot of dev love, but seriously... SO much easier.
Hello All,
About to be first time rooter and want to ensure I have a complete understanding of how things work before I fully commit. I’ve been trying to piece together information from various threads and I think I have a basic understanding of how things work. Can you please help me verify?
1. When you flash a ROM, the ROM automatically comes with a kernel. The kernel can be stock or custom, but regardless, all ROMS have a kernel automatically bundled when you flash the ROM. Correct?
2. Once you flash a new ROM and the corresponding kernel it comes with, you can swap out the kernel with something else, as long as it says it’s compatible with that ROM version. For instance, if the ROM says it’s built from 4.0.4, as long as the kernel you want to swap says that it’s compatible with anything 4.0.4, then you are good to go. Correct?
3. Radios need to be updated manually. Most ROMs and kernels do not update the Radio in most cases (or do not have radios bundled)…. With one of the exceptions being the Official Google ROMs. If I were to flash a leaked Stock 4.0.4 OTA Verizon ROM, I would actually get a new ROM, Kernel, and Radio. Correct? If I were to flash AKOP (or another popular ROM), I would get the ROM, bundled kernel, but NO radio. Correct?
4. A Nandroid backup backs up the ROM, Kernel, all applications installed, app user configurations/preferences…… basically everything EXCEPT the radio. If I were to restore a Nandroid backup, there is no need to restore apps and reconfigure apps/preferences…. It’s a snap shot in time (or whenever the last backup was made). Correct?
5. Using Titanium to batch backup apps/preferences is really only necessary when you want to flash a new completely different ROM and want to restore your apps from a previous completely different ROM. Correct?
6. Let's say I'm rooted and unlocked boot loader and on a custom ROM..... Verizon pushes out a new OTA update Stock ROM (let's say 4.0.4). What do I need to do? Restore 4.0.2 Stock from Google's developer website? If I were to restore the Google developer Website 4.0.2 version, my assumption is that I lose root (boot loader still remains unlocked). Do I need to re-lock the boot loader for Verizon OTA updates?
7. When I install a new ROM, do I loose root unless the ROM specifically says it comes with Root?
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8. Nandroid backups do not back up the SD card folder. This should be done manually (copy directory to Computer every once in a while). Correct?
9. When I installed space heavy games, I should have installed the game data portion (when it prompted to store at App level or SD Card Level) in the SD Card directory. Now if I Nandroid, It will be unnecessarily larger because it’s taking the game data stored at the app layer correct?
10. When you flash new ROMs or restore Nandroid backups, the sdcard directory remains unaffected. Correct?
11. Only when the boot loader is unlocked/re-locked is when the SD Card directory gets wiped. Correct?
12. Let’s say I need to restore to factory (back to stock – original ROM, Kernel and Radio, no traces of root, locked boot loader, etc.)…. All I do is go to Google’s DEV download ROM site, download the latest official ROM. It will restore the ROM/kernel combination and the original radio associated with the stock ROM, gets rid of all traces of root (since stock does not have root access). I will have to manually re-lock the boot loader (which will in turn wipe the SD Card directory). Correct?
13. Can someone shed some light on "GAPPS". I realize they are a bundle of Google Apps, but once I install, will I still get updates from Google Play when updates occur? Do GAPPS just save time from having to manually download? If I restore from titanium backup (after ROM and GAPP install), I need to ensure that I do not restore any app that falls into the GAPP category correct?
So did I pass? Is my understanding there? Am I missing any essential basics? Thank you all for your input!
1)correct
2)correct
3)correct
4)correct......it also backs up radio too
5)usually a good rule with tb is to only restore apps and app data, and not system setting an prefs so things dont bug out going from rom to rom
6)usually best to wait until dev updates their custom rom to new firmware(devs update rather quickly) better than unrooting then rooting stock rom only later to flash a custom rom that has been updated to latest firmware
7)most if not all custom roms are already pre-rooted
YOU PASSED!!!
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Thanks sean.... especially for elaborating on bullet point #5. I think I've read that somewhere regarding only doing the user apps/apps data, but forgot to ask. I'm pretty excited about doing this.
A Nandroid will definitely not backup your radio.
Did a quick search around the interwebs.... artvandelay seems to be correct. The majority seem to say that radios will not be backed up.