My wife got an Epic, while I have an EVO. I'm quite familiar with rooting, ROMs, etc. I think I've got all the Epic-specific details down, but I wanted to ask this question to make sure I've got this down.
I plan to use this root method. After that, her phone will be left with a basically stock, 2.2 ROM that uses the EXT4 file system, and Clockwork recovery image. I read that I won't be able to flash new versions of Clockwork from within ROM Manager. From then on, I will need to stick with ROMs designed for the EXT4 file system or both EXT4 and RFS. I assume I flash ROMs and Kernels just like with my EVO: choose my ROM, it will come with a kernel, but I can flash whatever kernel I choose on top of that (as long as my ROM matches my Android type, DK or EB). There are currently no Gingerbread ROMs for the Epic, but when they are released, I should be able to use CM 3.x to flash them.
OK, I would greatly appreciate if someone could just read over that and let me know if I understand anything incorrectly. Also, if someone could tell me if there's a good reason to choose Odin's recovery vs. Clockwork, I would very much appreciate that as well.
Odin Vs. Clockwork
Everything you posted above sounds accurate.
I use Clockwork to flash my ROMs just because it is easier to me (no cables involved). The only time I use Odin is when my phone is bricked. This has happened after installing Samsung updates, but it is very easy to use Odin to restore back to Stock, then flash a new ROM over.
One advantage to Clockwork is that some ROMs support a full backup. I use Bonsai4All and during installation from Clockwork it will backup your information, then restore it. As far as I know, Odin is not capable of any such thing.
Hope this helps...
OK wait, some ROMs support full backup? Why couldn't I do a full nandroid backup with any ROM I'm running from within Clockwork Mod Recovery?
WrlsFanatic said:
OK wait, some ROMs support full backup? Why couldn't I do a full nandroid backup with any ROM I'm running from within Clockwork Mod Recovery?
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You can use these two zips from within clockwork if you are flashing a rom that doesn't backup/restore for you.
Flash the "backup" before you wipe anything and then after you flash the rom - before you reboot - flash the "restore".
These .zips take care of data/settings/apps. Not actual system items, so they don't seem to cause some of the issues that programs like Titanium Backup cause.
EDIT: It's always good to do a complete backup within Clockwork before flashing ANYTHING new. Roms, zips, etc.!
Awesome! Thanks! I can't believe that Clockwork isn't working any better than that where it has problems backing things up. I know the EVO gets a lot of dev love, but seriously... SO much easier.
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Okay I have flashed Calkulin's Rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712695
The one without the OTA update that killed Root (I haven't updated to that yet )
I rooted using Toast's method - I did part 1 of his root. For part 2, I did this one
For part 2, I did this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=705113
I'm trying to flash a new ROM now. Maybe damage protection or even FROYO (Yeah froyo sounds better)
I also want to do the NOVATEK FPS bandaide as well.
I just don't know where to start. I read somewhere someone said you just re-flash a rom again with the recovery...but I don't want to screw up.
Can someone post a very brief what I should do or lead me please?
FYI, the Rom you flashed from the first link provided is stock rooted with the latest update.
Anywho, you heard right, you flash new roms the same way you flashed that Rom. Download the Rom to your sdcard, boot into recovery, wipe data cache and dalvik, flash from sdcard, choose the Rom you put on there and confirm. That's all there is to it!
The important thing to remember is to always wipe before you flash, this will ensure no errors occur.
Hey thanks for backing up data I heard nandroid and titanium which one is better
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Two different things. You should have at least one nandroid that you know works, this is used encased you beef anything up from flashing or something and you want to return your phone to the exact state it was at when you did the backup. That's the purpose of nandroid, to backup a complete image of the state your phone is in, Rom and all (excluding radio and wimax)
Titanium is a utility you use to backup all of the apps you have installed, along with their data and market links. This is usefull when flashing a new Rom so you can easily restore all of your apps without having to download and install them again and again.
Check this, it answers quite a bit of your questions and then some.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710513
Sorry for the noob question, what are the recovery roms for? Wouldn't you just need a stock to revert to if you messed up the phone royally? Also, where can you find them? I haven't seen the aman-ra anywhere, though people regularly refer to it.
Also, do all of the ROMs listed on the wiki work with 1.47? It doesn't mention the version.
Rilasis said:
Sorry for the noob question, what are the recovery roms for? Wouldn't you just need a stock to revert to if you messed up the phone royally? Also, where can you find them? I haven't seen the aman-ra anywhere, though people regularly refer to it.
Also, do all of the ROMs listed on the wiki work with 1.47? It doesn't mention the version.
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A recovery ROM is what you use to manage full ROMs, you can backup, restore, wipe, mount as USB, all outside of the ROM loaded. These functionalities aren't available from within the system itself.
It's kind of like an advanced BIOS. You can't make a full backup of Windows XP while your IN Windows XP. (ASFAIK)
Edit : Amons recovery is included in all the full root method tutorials. It's called recovery.img
So, the recovery is more of a utility than just a backup. Usually you flash what is called the recovery partition with a recovery image. Once you do that, you don't need a computer to get into recovery. Anyway, the recovery does alia you to do a backup and restore, but it is actually the utility that you flash roms with. It also let's you wipe cache and stuff which is critical to flashing your own Rom.
You would use recovery to restore, instead of flashing stock, because it would return your phone to the exact state it was in when you did the backup. You don't lose any settings or apps or anything.
When you root via toast pt 2 you wind up flashing amon recovery. There is also a thread in the dev section with a different version I think, just search amon.
And most roms on the wiki have the newest ota integrated in the Rom, but you should always consult the first post in the roms thread to see more about that.
Just a couple of questions that I need answers too as I'm reading all this info and getting distressed. Is Rom Manager, Nandroid Backup, Clockwork all the same? I try searching for them individually on the market but only get the Rom Manager to show up. All the different guides and what not are not consistent. So I'm not sure what to do there....
Rom Manager is an app designed to pull up uploaded ROMs desginated for your specific phone for easy download. It coordinates with Clockwork Recovery to perform wipes, backups, and installs of ROMs on your phone. Clockwork is the replacement recovery manager that the new unrevoked tool has replaced on your phone. Going into recovery, your phone can create nandroid backups, and flash different .zips containing roms, kernels, or themes people have made. Did that clear anything up?
yes that cleared some things up. thanks! i'll have to read more on it to fully understand what nandroid is, i just did a titanium backup and am looking to install a new kernal as i hear it speeds up the phone as well as the cyanagenmod (thought I'm not sure what the best rom is for me, but ive seen a lot of posts praising that one). so much to learn, so little time.
1.) From what I've read, CWM 2.x doesnt handle GB's ext4 partition, and you need 3.x for that. What will I lose/gain if I update to 3.x?
2.) If I do decide to use CWM 3.x, will I still be able to go back to my Froyo's file system?
3.) How do I get back to the nandroid backup of my Froyo 2.2.1? Can I use CWM 3.x as well? Do I just restore the backup I've made? What about the filesystem?
4.) Assuming I can just go back from GB to my Froyo by restoring through the nandroid backup I made, will the custom kernel I've flashed with it also come back with the restore?
I have flashed back and forth between Froyo and GB ROMs using CWM 3.x. If it doesnt work, can't you always reflash CWM 2.x ?
Anyway, you ask too many questions .. Like the rest of us, you should throw caution to the wind and try it out yourself.
i guess im just one of those people.
anyway, thanks for the response. cleared a few things for me.
I don't even flash recovery. That way I can use whatever recovery I want and keep stock recovery so I don't get cwm popping up when I charge and the phone is off.
./fastboot boot recover.img
Someone swyped my idea.
A couple of things. I've been reading xda for a while but am by no means anything other than a "noob" I know just enough to be dangerous to my phone, but so far only soft bricked my old cappy once. So a very grateful thank you to all the hard work you guys put in to pushing the development.
As a somewhat experienced noob I can say first hand that reading through all these threads and posts that lead in a thousand directions is pretty hard and time consuming. That's why all the "what ROM is best" threads. I sounds kind of selfish coming from someone who has contributed nothing other than traffic to xda, but a section for comparing different ROMs would stop most of those posts.
Now for the questions. Is there a way to put a .zip of the stock ROM on my sd card so I can go back to stock anytime I want? I know I can flash back to stock with odin, but can it be done thru the recovery console? I would like to be able to have several ROMs saved on sd and use recovery to flash between them. I'm not real happy with ROMManager... is freezes all the time, and I've not one time been able to flash with it.
Thanks
Make a backup! Install cwm on your device ...boot into recovery> create backup....
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A couple of things. I've been reading xda for a while but am by no means anything other than a "noob" I know just enough to be dangerous to my phone, but so far only soft bricked my old cappy once. So a very grateful thank you to all the hard work you guys put in to pushing the development.
As a somewhat experienced noob I can say first hand that reading through all these threads and posts that lead in a thousand directions is pretty hard and time consuming. That's why all the "what ROM is best" threads. I sounds kind of selfish coming from someone who has contributed nothing other than traffic to xda, but a section for comparing different ROMs would stop most of those posts.
Now for the questions. Is there a way to put a .zip of the stock ROM on my sd card so I can go back to stock anytime I want? I know I can flash back to stock with odin, but can it be done thru the recovery console? I would like to be able to have several ROMs saved on sd and use recovery to flash between them. I'm not real happy with ROMManager... is freezes all the time, and I've not one time been able to flash with it.
Thanks
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WOW one of the most brutally honest statements I've seen here in a while. That's good. And yes it's all very confusing at times, even for non-noobs lol.
Answer-->once you have rooted and cwm or twrp installed make a nandroid of your system, you can restore this at any time. Once you install a rom and get it running how you want and want to try another rom make a nandroid of that one in recovery, you can go back by restoring it. You can do this in this way until your happy with what your running or you run out of storage.
One word of advice...nandroids are snapshots of how your phone is at that moment...any apps, texts, modifications after the nandroid wont be in it....but...a nandroid combined with my back up or titanium backup is great, nandroid for the system and my back up or titanium backup for texts, apps, call logs and such and you can switch back and forth or install a new rom and restore user apps and call logs, texts, ect without losing those. Remember don't back up system apps or system settings as those may mess up on a different rom, only back up user apps(those you've installed).
Hope this helps a little
BTW--> don't use ROM manager to flash anything other than the recovery. Boot into recovery and flash stuff manually. Also, I would suggest twrp recovery as both have issues with auto naming backups, but at least with twrp you can name it whatever you want before you make it.
Just be careful. I remember a Nandroid not flashing the radio but they may have fixed that. Other than that you should loose nothing other than whatever apps you may have installed on the ROM your tinkering with.
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I was hoping to make a backup of my non rooted completely stock ROM. I don't see how to do that if first I have to root and flash CWM or another recovery to do the backup. I didn't see any way to do it from the stock recovery. I have looked to see if anyone has posted an zip image of stock non rooted but the only way I've seen to go back to stock is odin3. Is that correct and am I just wasting my time? I wanted that image so I could go back and update to the new stock ROMs as they come out to test drive and see if I want to use them. Just seems easier that way.
Thanks for your responses
I THINK someone posted a zip format of stock but your best bet would be Odin since you didn't make a backup before. I was wondering this a while back too.. Kinda surprised its not in such high demand..
Edit: are nandroid backups device specific? Can one nandroid backup be used for multiple phones? If it can, I'll flash Odin and post nandroid of stock later tonight
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WOW one of the most brutally honest statements I've seen here in a while. That's good. And yes it's all very confusing at times, even for non-noobs lol.
Answer-->once you have rooted and cwm or twrp installed make a nandroid of your system, you can restore this at any time. Once you install a rom and get it running how you want and want to try another rom make a nandroid of that one in recovery, you can go back by restoring it. You can do this in this way until your happy with what your running or you run out of storage.
One word of advice...nandroids are snapshots of how your phone is at that moment...any apps, texts, modifications after the nandroid wont be in it....but...a nandroid combined with my back up or titanium backup is great, nandroid for the system and my back up or titanium backup for texts, apps, call logs and such and you can switch back and forth or install a new rom and restore user apps and call logs, texts, ect without losing those. Remember don't back up system apps or system settings as those may mess up on a different rom, only back up user apps(those you've installed).
Hope this helps a little
BTW--> don't use ROM manager to flash anything other than the recovery. Boot into recovery and flash stuff manually. Also, I would suggest twrp recovery as both have issues with auto naming backups, but at least with twrp you can name it whatever you want before you make it.
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Titanium backup is a must. And pay for the app, its cheap and you support the developer.
Also, I've had better results with cwm. As soon as I make a backup to my SD card I boot into the ROM and change the filename.
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g2tegg said:
Titanium backup is a must. And pay for the app, its cheap and you support the developer.
Also, I've had better results with cwm. As soon as I make a backup to my SD card I boot into the ROM and change the filename.
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree titanium is not a "must" I've been using my backup pro for years without problems to make my backups. In my opinion its has a better more user friendly user interface with the same freeze/uninstall options. Also as a recovery twrp is gaining ground on cwm for its better options, one of which is renaming backups on the spot when you make it. Add in a file manger, terminal window, multiple flashes at once and many more options many think it is a better recovery. The way the newer cwm makes nandroids makes it very hard to delete individual nandroids, search cwm blobs for more info.
Also, check our mskips toolkit stickied in the dev section for a backup. You will need to be rooted but not to sure about the recovery. You may be able to do it with the stock recovery as I think it uses adb for pretty much everything it can. There is a way to make a backup on stock recovery through adb but you will need to be rooted, his toolkit will do that also.