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Clear & the EVO

With clearwire's recent release of the Android WiMAX Framework Ver 1.0, I was wondering if it was any way possible to add the ability for our phones to possibly connect with CLEAR directly instead of through sprint.
EDIT:AND IF IT IS POSSIBLE, START DEVELOPING HERE.
Here in phoenix, our entire area is pretty much covered by CLEAR but sprint hasn't officially released 4g here. It's kind of frustrating knowing the infrastructure is there but nothing hasn't happened yet.
oh yea, the link is here for the framework-http://64.13.72.12/tos/cm_api_terms.html?fileId=16&android_wimax_src.zip
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PS> cm6 will be using the clear framework, but that doesn't directly answer your question.

just be patient...it is coming (easy for me to say since I have 4G )

I've started implementing Clear's framework on top of CM6. It looks quite possible to connect to any WiMax network. I've only ported Clear over, I still need to make it talk to the sequans sdio module the ECO uses.

Is it possible to connect to Clear 3g in any way currently?
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mikeallison said:
I've started implementing Clear's framework on top of CM6. It looks quite possible to connect to any WiMax network. I've only ported Clear over, I still need to make it talk to the sequans sdio module the ECO uses.
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Wow, your definitely making great progress! If the EVO can connect to pretty much any WiMax network including clear, I think it would really open up a lot of options for us and have waaay more coverage than before.

I don't know anything about the clear framework... I haven't ready anything about it. But are you expecting to be able to connect to their network for free?

I was under the impression that Clear and the Sprint Wimax network were the same exact thing. Didn't Sprint buy Clear for exactly that reason?
I have "unofficial" 4G in my area, and when I used that antenna tool to check position, I was looking for the Clear site thinking I was connecting to that...
Totally off? They're separate networks?

flipzmode said:
I don't know anything about the clear framework... I haven't ready anything about it. But are you expecting to be able to connect to their network for free?
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Nah...but that would definitely be a plus The real use I see for this is bringing 4g speeds to people that aren't under sprint's shotty 4g coverage. Like I said in the op, the WiMax framework with clear is fairly widespread (and already available where I'm at) but inaccessible to us. This would help alot of people in clear's market with the evo that sprint hasn't gotten around to releasing their 4g.
@sjwaste-Sprint owns a majority stake in clearwire; and usually where you have the clear network, there's sprint's wimax. But in certain markets i.e phoenix arizona, sprint hasn't gotten to setting up clear's towers or vice versa for use.
And it's not just clear's WiMax that could be used here. It was said it seems that any WiMax network might be accesible.

Since Sprint owns 51% of Clear, why wouldn't you be able to connect to it?

sjwaste said:
I was under the impression that Clear and the Sprint Wimax network were the same exact thing. Didn't Sprint buy Clear for exactly that reason?
I have "unofficial" 4G in my area, and when I used that antenna tool to check position, I was looking for the Clear site thinking I was connecting to that...
Totally off? They're separate networks?
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I have clear in my home and Clear and the 4G are the same tower.

Speaking of all of this, Best Buy is now getting involved: http://newsroom.clearwire.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=214419&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1453796&highlight=
For people who like the short + sweet; here's the engadget blurb: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/best-buy-partners-with-clearwire-will-connect-customers-to-4g/

cool, ill have to ask my chick ia a manager at best buy mobile ill have to ask her if she has some inside scoop.....

Ok, Clear's WiMax network is Sprint's 4G network they are one and the same, the 3G network that Clear has is Sprint's 3G network, I am a Clear authorized retailer employee, that is my source of knowledge. in short, when you use Sprint's 4G network, you are truly connecting to Clear, our mac addresses have been added into Clear's database, tat's how we get the connection, same thing with Clear and Sprint 3G just reverse.

bmxrider4444 said:
Ok, Clear's WiMax network is Sprint's 4G network they are one and the same, the 3G network that Clear has is Sprint's 3G network, I am a Clear authorized retailer employee, that is my source of knowledge. in short, when you use Sprint's 4G network, you are truly connecting to Clear, our mac addresses have been added into Clear's database, tat's how we get the connection, same thing with Clear and Sprint 3G just reverse.
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Thanks for the insight! I read someplace on XDA, not sure where, that someone couldn't get onto some portion of Clears network with his EVO because of the frequency of the network whereas his Sprint/WiMax access point for his computer could. Any info about that? And to any Dev's out there, what are the chances that the EVO could access these other freq's? and if I am mistaken in what I post, I blame the other poster that I read this from (let me go search for that post now )
Edit: Here's the link to the other thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738216&highlight=wimax+frequency

bmxrider4444 said:
Ok, Clear's WiMax network is Sprint's 4G network they are one and the same, the 3G network that Clear has is Sprint's 3G network, I am a Clear authorized retailer employee, that is my source of knowledge. in short, when you use Sprint's 4G network, you are truly connecting to Clear, our mac addresses have been added into Clear's database, tat's how we get the connection, same thing with Clear and Sprint 3G just reverse.
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That's cool and all, but I still get no WiMax in phoenix, yet phoenix was one of the first cities to get clear! The thread isn't just about that though, because the evo's WiMax has been limited. As mikeallison stated before, the evo seems to have the ability to communicate with any wimax tower. While it might not be important now, as more companies get into wimax it could really make a difference to those who aren't in sprint's or clear's coverage.

edtate said:
That's cool and all, but I still get no WiMax in phoenix, yet phoenix was one of the first cities to get clear! The thread isn't just about that though, because the evo's WiMax has been limited. As mikeallison stated before, the evo seems to have the ability to communicate with any wimax tower. While it might not be important now, as more companies get into wimax it could really make a difference to those who aren't in sprint's or clear's coverage.
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Yes, that said, you may need different authentication to access them. So, you might not be able to just hop on.

Clear
Maybe I don't "do enough" but I don't see any major difference between the 3g and 4g except I can tether and still make calls w/out losing my internet connection... I can send data while on call, etc. But as far as speed...again, maybe I don't do enough to tell the difference.
As far as clear, I am a clear customer for phone service and their wireless on the go service and it SUCKs!!! I can never stay connected to the internet on the go as they claim and I've complained and complained....they lock you into contracts like the cell companies and it is an overall bust for me. Maybe they are developing as well and will improve. I don't ask for much, just to be able to use what I pay for...
Seeing as how they have horrible customer service will keep them in line with the culture of Sprint, so it makes since. I do, however, favor Sprint's plans over all other providers so for that I stay and my EVO rocks.

edtate said:
While it might not be important now, as more companies get into wimax it could really make a difference to those who aren't in sprint's or clear's coverage.
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What other wimax networks are you expecting exactly? It's basically a dead protocol and I don't think anyone but Sprint/Clear plan to use it in the states. Everyone else is going with LTE.

Are you sure that Clear even has wimax in Phoenix? The reason I ask is that they do not currently show it on their coverage map. I have Clearwire internet at my house in Reno and when I asked about Sprint 4g they said they don't have it here, and don't know when they will. My understanding is that in the cities that Clear has the wimax equipment installed are the cities that have Sprint 4g. They told me the reason we do not have 4g here is that their current equipment here isn't capable of wimax.

[Q] Can I use Tmobile HSPA+ Network

I just noticed yesterday that T-mobile has a 4G network in my area and I was wondering if there was a way to force roam 4G on tmobiles network? So that I could pick up 4G.
If its possible how?
Oh and sprint needs to hurry up and put 4g everywhere

You said it yourself. T-Mobile is HSPA+, Sprint 4G is WiMax. So, no.

Naa dude. HSPA+ is not compatible with cdma(sprint). Matter of fact t-mobile is using 4G now because its "trendy" and everybody else is using it. Their network is closer to 3G in infrastructure. But thats up for debate.

That sucks like hell. There's 4G here I just can't have it. AHHHHHHH!!!
Well if its like 3G I guess I'm not missing much.

david279 said:
Naa dude. HSPA+ is not compatible with cdma(sprint). Matter of fact t-mobile is using 4G now because its "trendy" and everybody else is using it. Their network is closer to 3G in infrastructure. But thats up for debate.
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You are on the money. HSPA+ is no more than an upgrade to existing 3G technology. If I remember right, it only has a theoretical max of 54 Mbps down. It is not, nor will it ever be, 4G.
Granted, the current 802.16e standard of WiMax is not 4G either...just waiting for that 802.16m standard to be finalized =). Which once that is complete, infrastructure can be updated and we should be able to utilize it with a simple firmware update.

Stalte said:
That sucks like hell. There's 4G here I just can't have it. AHHHHHHH!!!
Well if its like 3G I guess I'm not missing much.
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No its way faster than your normal 3G. Faster than WIMAX too. Its nothing to pull down 7 or 8 Mb.

I bet it's better on battery than wimax is on ours.
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overthinkingme said:
I bet it's better on battery than wimax is on ours.
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It uses the same radio for voice. The EVO has a separate 4G radio thats has to be activated and scan then connect. So 2 radios running at the same time would use more battery than 1 GSM radio running. Also CDMA has a tendency to use more battery when searching for signal in low signal areas.

Having installed T-mobiles 3g upgrade here in Chicago market back in 2008, I can say definitively that HSPA is just a radio cabinet addition to the existing cellular framework. Depending on the layout of the tower/site, "Flex radios" handle the data on 1, or sometimes more antennae, while the voice travels over GSM through remaining antennae. Very similar to ATT infrastructure, but tiny radios handling big bandwidth.
Having said all that, 4G is a silly buzzword that Sprint started, and T-mobile is now exploiting.
In a way, Sprint is just using extra radios on top of their existing 3G cellular, and just integrating the enhanced data speeds of Clearwire's network into their own.
T-mobile's speeds are indeed fast both HSPA and HSPA+, but to call them 4g may be overstating it, as it is just an upgrade to their existing technology, and not a new technology.
As another poster stated, nobody officially has 4g yet, not even Sprint, and until the 802.16 commission finalizes and LTE is launched we still won't.
To re-emphasize to the OP, not a chance, and don't believe the hype.

I can see sprint(or clear) and T-mobile going to bed for some real 4G'ness.

david279 said:
I can see sprint(or clear) and T-mobile going to bed for some real 4G'ness.
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Yeah, I heard a rumor that Sprint may eventually adopt LTE.... It makes sense.
Wimax will make a great backhaul, and could stay in place, not to mention supporting cities and rural areas. But LTE will be the big daddy, and similar to WiMax, works on it's own and should be seamlessly integrated on top of cellular.
I'm not sure but I think it can work with CDMA or GSM, hooray for global WiFi!

Mitch Matrixx said:
Yeah, I heard a rumor that Sprint may eventually adopt LTE.... It makes sense.
Wimax will make a great backhaul, and could stay in place, not to mention supporting cities and rural areas. But LTE will be the big daddy, and similar to WiMax, works on it's own and should be seamlessly integrated on top of cellular.
I'm not sure but I think it can work with CDMA or GSM, hooray for global WiFi!
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I wouldn't count on LTE on Sprint just yet. Hesse denounced it last week; however, Sprint, Clearwire, Google, Time-Warner, and a couple others purchased Spectrum not only in the 2.5 GHz, but the 2.3 GHz band also. So the bandwidth is there and, in the past, Hesse has been quoted saying they can easily switch to LTE if need be.
Edit: http://gigaom.com/2010/10/29/sprint-ceo-dan-hesse-on-clearwire-lte-wimax/

topdawgn8 said:
I wouldn't count on LTE on Sprint just yet. Hesse denounced it last week; however, Sprint, Clearwire, Google, Time-Warner, and a couple others purchased Spectrum not only in the 2.5 GHz, but the 2.3 GHz band also. So the bandwidth is there and, in the past, Hesse has been quoted saying they can easily switch to LTE if need be.
Edit: http://gigaom.com/2010/10/29/sprint-ceo-dan-hesse-on-clearwire-lte-wimax/
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Thanks for the info.
I think the most important thing in the article is that LTE can happen if necessary.
Sorry for getting off topic.

What is WiMax?

I always thought WiMax = 4G but I read somewhere today it's not.
Can someone explain please?
I tried reading the article and those complicated words didn't make any sense.

Same here idk what day hell is wimax so I don't use it lol
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arozer said:
I always thought WiMax = 4G but I read somewhere today it's not.
Can someone explain please?
I tried reading the article and those complicated words didn't make any sense.
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Wimax is the method that Sprint/Clear delivers us 4G. Verizon delivers 4g using LTE.
So yes, Wimax=4G

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX
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WiMAX is one of the three competing "4G" (which I now call FauxG) technologies being used in the United States. The other two being LTE (Long Term Evolution) and HSPA+/HSPA Advanced
All three are capable of effectively managing spectrum allocations, capacity, and delivering voice over internet protocol dependent on set up, but the main use for these technologies is for mobile internet/data.
WiMAX started first, and Sprint/Clearwire wanted a head start and went with this. LTE the more world standard technology came later, AT&T and Verizon both use this and many other companies are switching to LTE soon. LTE trial tests are being conducted on Sprint and Clearwire should either company decide to change over. HSPA+/HSPA Advanced started a little late in the game and is essentially a 3G technology that behaves like and gives application usage like a 4G network such as WiMAX or LTE. T-Mobile is the main company to use HSPA+ however AT&T is overlaying much of their network, albeit much slower than T-Mobile, with HSPA+ and calling it "4G" prior to their LTE roll out.
WiMAX unfortunately is only on 2.3, 2.5 and 3.5Ghz frequencies for the time being, meaning the signal while capable of fast speeds, does not penetrate buildings or walls easily or effectively enough for indoor use, even with closely spaced tower placement.
Sprint and Clearwire hope to change this with a network upgrade plan which would essentially recycle unused 800/850, 1900 spectrum for use with WiMAX and CDMA, as well as using the current 2.5Ghz spectrum for WiMAX and CDMA.
LTE on the other hand, was deployed at 700Mhz. While the signal travels though buildings and walls easily, the lower frequency will result in slower maximum data speeds over all and lower battery life.
HSPA+ is a 3G technology, so if you are familiar with T-Mobile or AT&T or any GSM type network you know it is the same as before, only new hardware handsets and a software upgrade at the cell site have enabled faster speeds. The only hardware from the tower that needs replacing is backhaul.

To elaborate on Williefdiaz's "FauxG" comment, there has been some controversy (among tech geeks at least) as to what's "really" 4G. ITU had defined it as a network supporting 100 Mbit/s for mobile installations and 1Gbit/s for fixed or nearly fixed installations (phones would of course be mobile). Neither WiMax nor LTE meet that yet, but they're sufficiently fast enough compared to 3G that the industry has chosen to market it as such. Even T-Mo's HSPA+ technology, which is even further from the 4G requirements in that it's not an all-IP packet switched network, is being marketed as 4G because it can provide similar speeds.
In the end, it looks like anything capable of delivering speeds of 5-10Mbit/s (or more) is going to be called 4G, regardless of the ITU's definition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G

Try This: http://tinyurl.com/5tyebn7

bkrodgers said:
To elaborate on Williefdiaz's "FauxG" comment, there has been some controversy (among tech geeks at least) as to what's "really" 4G. ITU had defined it as a network supporting 100 Mbit/s for mobile installations and 1Gbit/s for fixed or nearly fixed installations (phones would of course be mobile). Neither WiMax nor LTE meet that yet, but they're sufficiently fast enough compared to 3G that the industry has chosen to market it as such. Even T-Mo's HSPA+ technology, which is even further from the 4G requirements in that it's not an all-IP packet switched network, is being marketed as 4G because it can provide similar speeds.
In the end, it looks like anything capable of delivering speeds of 5-10Mbit/s (or more) is going to be called 4G, regardless of the ITU's definition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G
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Thank you both very much for elaborating. Igot a clear understanding now.

Ubergizmo on Nokia Lumia 900 4G/3G/Edge switch

Has anyone else found the following web site with instructions on setting up a 4G/3G/Edge switch on the Web
(Do a search to find the link)
I tired it and was able to get the switch, but I have not been able to try it on 4G(LTE) yet as I do not have LTE reception where I live and only have 3G (the phone says 4G, but I know it is 3G+) but will try it at work tomorrow where I can actually get LTE.
But one thing I noticed is that I cannot get EDGE service where I live. I heard that AT&T wanted to get rid of 2G (EDGE). Have they done that already?

Hre is the link:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/04/nokia-lumia-900-gets-edge-3g-4g-toggle/
Im not sure what you mean about trying it on 4G... the only choices are 4G (LTE) 3G or edge so you get one of the 3.
In my LTE market when I choose 4G I get LTE.

hx4700 Killer said:
Hre is the link:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/04/nokia-lumia-900-gets-edge-3g-4g-toggle/
Im not sure what you mean about trying it on 4G... the only choices are 4G (LTE) 3G or edge so you get one of the 3.
In my LTE market when I choose 4G I get LTE.
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On AT&T, there are 4 types of data. 2G/EDGE, 3G, "4G"/3G+/HSPA+ and LTE.
We all know about 2g and 3g, but many people like you don't know about the difference between "4g" and LTE.
This whole thing was started by T-Mobile, because this was the early days of LTE, and Sprint was advertising it's WiMax network as 4G, T-Mobile decided to use a technology called HSPA+ and brand it as 4G. Initially, AT&T scolded T-Mobile for this move, but as soon as it was decided HSPA+ could be considered 4G, AT&T rapidly built up a network of this, almost as large as their 3G network.
HSPA+ is basically a faster version of 3G, hence why it's often called 3G+. However, AT&T tries to advertise it as 4G so they can boast they have the largest 4G network, even though Verizon leads the charge with the most LTE sites. HSPA+ is a bit faster than 3G, but doesn't hold a candle to LTE. However, it does have it advantages, such as being compatible on the iPhone 4S, and unlike Verizon, on AT&T, if you loose LTE coverage, you can fall back on HSPA+, where as on Verizon you fall back on their CDMA network (Which is still slower than AT&T's GSM network).
So over all it's good and leads to faster overall experience, unless of course you're in LTE coverage 24/7, then it doesn't matter that much. My (and others) only problem with this is AT&T branding it as 4G, which tricks consumers.

These days, both AT&T and T-Mobile branded devices display "4G" for *any* UMTS connectivity, instead of 3G/H.
It's lame.

My 900 has this switch in the settings without the need for any hacks

you hit #data# and then hit the ... button at the bottom and set up the toggle between speeds. Then restart the device, go under settings>cellular> select data speed.
With this device's data speed selection, 2G= edge, 3g= HSPA+/UTMS, 4G= LTE. Eventhough ATT modified the registry so that UTMS shows 4G at the top of the device, when you select 3G in the speed selection, you are only making the phone connect to HSPA+/UTMS

hx4700 Killer said:
Hre is the link:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/04/nokia-lumia-900-gets-edge-3g-4g-toggle/
Im not sure what you mean about trying it on 4G... the only choices are 4G (LTE) 3G or edge so you get one of the 3.
In my LTE market when I choose 4G I get LTE.
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Hey, they stole my article that I originally posted on Mobility Digest. (www.mobilitydigest.com). They even took my screen shot. I purposely took that shot when my phone was showing "G". Oh well. Btw, it does work.
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4G, LTE, WIMAX and GS3

Can someone tell me the difference between, 4G, LTE, WIMAX and GS3? What does the GS3 have and on my previous HTC phones, there was a toggle/setting to turn off the 4g Radio. I don't see anything but "mobile data". Is that 3G, 4G or both?
Bob

4g and wimax are the same thing which is 3g revision b or c depending on carrier. Standard 3g is called 3g revision a. But the FCC gave them permission to call it 4g since it data speeds can go up to 9mbits per second. LTE is the true 4g. LTE stands for long term evolution. Its data speeds can go up to 40mbits per second. So if you see carriers saying 4g without LTE after 4g they are technically lying to you. Gs3 I'm assuming your talking to Samsung galaxy s3, it just has the ability to use all of them since its multi carrier.
Mobile data is both. 3g and 4g and 4g LTE are mobile data. So if you turn that off all data will be turned off. Some phones don't give you the toggle to turn off 4g but I think there are custom roms that have that feature.
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Mobile data is any internet connection, however it depends on the rom as to whether hitting a widget that says that will toggle 4G AND 3G as some roms (like stock HTC ones) provide separate toggles
Wimax is a type of 4G and so is LTE, if you want more specifics I would start with Google

The s3 has 3g and 4g lte radios only, no wimax and if your not in a lte area you will only get 3g speeds which are slow. I live in Illinois and there's 4g lte in most areas.
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densetsu86 said:
4g and wimax are the same thing which is 3g revision b or c depending on carrier. Standard 3g is called 3g revision a. But the FCC gave them permission to call it 4g since it data speeds can go up to 9mbits per second. LTE is the true 4g. LTE stands for long term evolution. Its data speeds can go up to 40mbits per second. So if you see carriers saying 4g without LTE after 4g they are technically lying to you. Gs3 I'm assuming your talking to Samsung galaxy s3, it just has the ability to use all of them since its multi carrier.
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Please tell me this was just poorly worded and not your entire take on the 4G/Wimax/LTE situation. This post made my head spin, and now I need to write a long post explaining everything that's wrong.
First of all, there is no "3G Revision B" or "3G Revision C", let alone "3G Revision A". That's ridiculous. 3G is a marketing term. There are several 3G technologies, including EVDO (which Sprint and Verizon both use for their 3G technology) and HSPA (which AT&T and T-Mobile use). There is an EVDO Revision B and C, but Sprint uses Revision A. No one uses EVDO Revision B or C. Either way, EVDO Revisions B and C are entirely unrelated to either Wimax or LTE.
The FCC didn't give anyone permission to use the term 4G for anything. They don't care what you call the technology as long as it complies with FCC regulations. The rest is just marketing speak, and the FCC wants nothing to do with it.
Wimax and LTE are both types of 4G. There is no "true" 4G in this case. 4G is just a marketing term for what they consider the 4th generation of mobile data protocols. 4G and Wimax may be used interchangeably, and so may 4G and LTE. If you're being specific about one, be specific about the other. Saying things like "4G or 4G LTE" sounds stupid to me when the person means "Wimax or LTE". It's like saying "Do you want cookies or chocolate chip cookies?" Either way, you're getting cookies - one's just more specific than the other.
Other carriers do not need to put LTE after 4G in their marketing. No one but you decided that LTE was "true" 4G over Wimax. Both are 4G (barely), so it doesn't really matter which 4G technology they use. It's still 4G. No one is lying just because they don't specify which type of 4G they use, which is a moot point anyway, since Sprint is the only carrier that used Wimax for their 4G technology. It can just be assumed that 4G == LTE in other companies' marketing. Likewise, it's not lying if Sprint says "4G" instead of "4G LTE" either. It's just marketing.
As for speeds, neither protocol is limited in the way you mention. Wimax as a protocol is in no way limited to 9Mbps speeds. First, Sprint's Wimax could go much faster than 9Mbps easily. Second, the speeds are not limited by the protocol. They are limited by the implementation of the protocol. It's possible to hit 40 or 50 Mbps with Wimax if you have enough spectrum and backhaul available. Likewise, LTE is not limited to 40Mbps either. If Sprint had the spectrum and the customer base, they could roll out LTE that goes to 150Mbps or more. It just depends on how they scale it.
And finally, the GS3 does not have the ability to use "all of them". The Sprint GS3 is not compatible with Wimax at all - just 1xRTT, 1x-Advanced, EVDO Revision A, and LTE. And that has nothing to do with it being multiple-carrier anyway. If that were the case, we could use AT&T or T-Mobile's HSPA+42, and they could use EVDO Revision A, but neither of those things is possible IRL. Samsung made the Sprint GS3 compatible with the technologies Sprint was using, and likewise for all the other carriers' models. There is no need to look any further into it than that.