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Ok, now the the 1 Million Dollar question. I'm thinking of my HTC Nike an the whole htcclassaction Issue.
I know the Desire has an 600 MHz DSP for decoding 720p video. I know Qualcomm states that the Snapdragon does have "High-performance 3D graphics – up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec".
I know Android 2.1 supports OpenGL ES 2.
But does the Desire have an own GPU for 3D, Graphics and GUI like the Iphone (no, I don't like the Iphone) or does it run things like Android GUI or 3D in Software?
I'm planning to buy a Desire next week, but if HTC misses again, it would be an huge point against the Desire (at least for me).

Nope its all part of the Snapdragon CPU its not a separate GPU like the iPhone, Droid or Nokia N900.

The Snapdragon can't match the OMAP 3460 in 3D performance unfortunately. Thankfully for us though, snapdragon android phones are WAY more numerous than OMAP phones so most games will be optimized for the Snapdragon

Wow, that really sucks. So i think i will wait until there is a smartphone with Tegra or maybe Tegra 2. But thanks for you reply.

If you want pure (graphics) performance you should skip qualcomm-enabled devices.
See video comparison (ToonWarz)
HTC Desire (qualcom snapdragon 1ghz + Adreno 200 GPU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVzkank7iOw
Motorola Milestone (ARM Cortex 8 550Mhz + PowerVR GPU) - min 4:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn-XaaQXIxw
You can wait till Samsung Galaxy S and see how it performs.. even if i hate samsung custom UI and all iphone copying stuff
L.E.
Another example (Asphalt 5)
- Motorola Milestone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUlsfP38lSM
- HTC Desire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIEwlL73utM
As you can see the performance is better in good old Motorola Milestone.
In general, you can skip HTC cos' they always use the cheapest piece of hardware. And that's not only related to SoC (CPU, GPU) but also related to display (see the multitouch bug, a lot of videos there - Motorola Milestone doesn't suffer for this). The things I will mis about HTC are the Sense UI and trackball. Otherwise, screw htc.

OK, now I'm a little confused. So the Desire does have a GPU (Adreno 200)? And I was looking at benchmarks in youtube (I cannot post links, so search for "Motorola Milestone/Nexus One - Neocore Benchmark") where Milestone gets 20,6 fps and Desire 26,3 fps.
But I fear that again HTC misses to hardware accelerate the GUI.

Hirsch2k said:
OK, now I'm a little confused. So the Desire does have a GPU (Adreno 200)? And I was looking at benchmarks in youtube (I cannot post links, so search for "Motorola Milestone/Nexus One - Neocore Benchmark") where Milestone gets 20,6 fps and Desire 26,3 fps.
But I fear that again HTC misses to hardware accelerate the GUI.
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Neocore is Qualcomm optimized so it will always outperform the Milestone. In raw 3d power, the milestone can perform better.

Hm, I think I will wait for the Samsung Galaxy S.

Galaxy s is samsung... and this mean it sux. They have no care about fixing buggs, look at omnia 2, since june last year, no one upgrade, i have a bug that i cant send message to some number in my phone. And a lot of.. They do not optimize phone. They sell you one, that's it. You are alone now. Good luck with samsung, my f.....g samsung is still waitng to be repaired, 3 month in support assistant mean for me never get 1 only things that have samsung writed

Hirsch2k said:
Hm, I think I will wait for the Samsung Galaxy S.
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I wouldn't bother.
Developers back the majority and the majority is Snapdragon powered phones, not OMAP and not whatever chip Samsung is using.

sonyxperia2 said:
Galaxy s is samsung... and this mean it sux. They have no care about fixing buggs, look at omnia 2, since june last year, no one upgrade, i have a bug that i cant send message to some number in my phone. And a lot of.. They do not optimize phone. They sell you one, that's it. You are alone now. Good luck with samsung, my f.....g samsung is still waitng to be repaired, 3 month in support assistant mean for me never get 1 only things that have samsung writed
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You talk like as htc does care.. well, for your information htc doesn't really care. just if you look back in past you'll see. yes, i'm a dissapointed htc hero user cos their lack of interest in this device (they announced an update for hero last year in december if i'm not wrong... nothing we received). before hero i had a touch pro. the most expensive piece of **** i bought. laggy, full of bugs & so on.
let's not generalize that samsung is crap.. maybe you've got a faulty device. i've seen on forums many omnia happy users.
ah.. and i cannot comment the part of your phone in service.. maybe got lost somewhere.. hmm
abc27 if Samsung Galaxy S is top notch in reality i doubt it will be unsuccessfull. let's wait and see
grr, if the galaxy s had an trackball
competition is realy good in Android world. i'm sick and tired of htc monopoly

DSF said:
You talk like as htc does care.. well, for your information htc doesn't really care. just if you look back in past you'll see. yes, i'm a dissapointed htc hero user cos their lack of interest in this device (they announced an update for hero last year in december if i'm not wrong... nothing we received). before hero i had a touch pro. the most expensive piece of **** i bought. laggy, full of bugs & so on.
let's not generalize that samsung is crap.. maybe you've got a faulty device. i've seen on forums many omnia happy users.
ah.. and i cannot comment the part of your phone in service.. maybe got lost somewhere.. hmm
abc27 if Samsung Galaxy S is top notch in reality i doubt it will be unsuccessfull. let's wait and see
grr, if the galaxy s had an trackball
competition is realy good in Android world. i'm sick and tired of htc monopoly
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Samsung make great TVs but sadly that's pretty much all they're good at making. It doesn't matter if you have a superphone with a 3GHz quad core processor and dual graphics cards. If it's not a popular CPU/GPU platform then nothing will be developed to use that power and nothing will be optimized for it.

chrism_scotland said:
Nope its all part of the Snapdragon CPU its not a separate GPU like the iPhone, Droid or Nokia N900.
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Sorry, but this is incorrect.
Both the Snapdragon processor (Qualcomm) in the Desire, and the OMAP processor (TI) in the iPhone/Droid have integrated GPUs as part of the SoC (system on a chip).
However, the PowerVR GPU in the TI processor is more capable than the Imageon GPU in the Qualcomm.
Regards,
Dave

Before I bought the Desire, I knew that it wont do better in games then IPhone but then again I have a PSP for mobile gaming which is better then IPhone. If I really wanted touchscreen games I would just buy a DS.

Nekromantik said:
Before I bought the Desire, I knew that it wont do better in games then IPhone but then again I have a PSP for mobile gaming which is better then IPhone. If I really wanted touchscreen games I would just buy a DS.
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Sony (NOT SONY ERICSSON) are apparently planning on releasing a PSP phone sometime late 2010 or early 2011 from a few unconfirmed reports. That sounds like it would be a beast of a phone. I'd imagine Sony would just have the PSP OS running alongside Android or maybe they're developing a proprietary OS that runs PSP games as well as functions as a phone.

abc27 said:
Samsung make great TVs but sadly that's pretty much all they're good at making. It doesn't matter if you have a superphone with a 3GHz quad core processor and dual graphics cards. If it's not a popular CPU/GPU platform then nothing will be developed to use that power and nothing will be optimized for it.
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Games, in general, are using OpenGL which is standard. Qualcomm Snapdragon is similar to ARM Cortex A8: FPU, NEON etc. (see http://www.dspdesignline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=204700527 )
So I'm sure that a game optimized for snapdragons will work (if not better) also on a powerVR/arm cortex a8 solution.

Many cool games are available for Android and upcoming.
Unfortunately HTC is using the cheap SoC from qualcomm so due the poor GPU the games aren't running smothly.
You can see here a comparison of Gangstar West Coast Hustle
- Nexus One (same hardware as Desire)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOZtM6YK9zo
- Motorola Milestone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUJwONg9UP0
As you can see the game runs way better in good old Motorola Milestone. And that's not the most powerful GPU on the mobile world.
And here you can see the Samsung Galaxy S in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ4N7QAlHd4
Clearly I will not get a HTC+Qualcomm SoC (this combination) again. GG competition.
+ Those phones are not affected of the multitouch bug that is present on so many HTC devices (and many htc devices are dual touch).
htc = cheap capacitive layer, cheap soc => expensive device. does it deserve this? actually they are smart.. using cheap hardware and sell the device overpriced.
@abc27 actually HTC (also Apple on their iPhone) is using many components from Samsung, for eg: displays, ram modules... Samsung it's a top semiconductors company.. So Samsung is not a cheap company. But I have to agree, their software customizations are awful

[LEAK/INFO] Found something interesting about HTC HD7 on on the HTC RMA

Commercial name: HTC Trophy (HTC 7)
Codename: Spark
Specifications:
WVGA screen
8-Megapixel camera
1GHz Snapdragon processor (QSD8250)
3G Network: HSDPA 900 / 2100
Hope it's interesting
Regards,
B

I have to confess, unless you're talking about the 8 MP camera, I don't see anything that was unknown from earlier leaks. Is that what you're referring to, or am I missing something obvious?
Also, I'd recommend taking down the second image. The name of the user logged in isn't blocked in that screenshot.
Cheers,
--VelJharig

Any more part numbers/models listed? Anything showing US models?

VelJharig said:
I have to confess, unless you're talking about the 8 MP camera, I don't see anything that was unknown from earlier leaks. Is that what you're referring to, or am I missing something obvious?
Also, I'd recommend taking down the second image. The name of the user logged in isn't blocked in that screenshot.
Cheers,
--VelJharig
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Thanks for the head up

RustyGrom said:
Any more part numbers/models listed? Anything showing US models?
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I only have access to the European portal atm.

Can't believe HTC uses the Q8250 which is now almost 100% confirmed.
Byebye HTC, never liked your phones anyway, they are crappy as phones. Pooooooooooor speakers, pooooooooor batterylife, poooooooooooooooor cameras, pooooooooooor reception.
All above is right compared to other brands, the 4 most important things in a phone aswell, bad bad.
This certainly doesn't look like they are shaping up
Edit: Either way, good find OP

I, for one, don't care what chip is in my phone as long as the outcome is good. From everything we've seen, the performance, including 3D Games, is pretty damn good.

RustyGrom said:
I, for one, don't care what chip is in my phone as long as the outcome is good. From everything we've seen, the performance, including 3D Games, is pretty damn good.
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But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?

Mr.Sir said:
Can't believe HTC uses the Q8250 which is now almost 100% confirmed.
Byebye HTC, never liked your phones anyway, they are crappy as phones. Pooooooooooor speakers, pooooooooor batterylife, poooooooooooooooor cameras, pooooooooooor reception.
All above is right compared to other brands, the 4 most important things in a phone aswell, bad bad.
This certainly doesn't look like they are shaping up
Edit: Either way, good find OP
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I don't don't seem to understand why your angry at HTC and MS for using the Q8250 processor.
Think about it this way, That processor is the minimum hardware requirement for WP7, so every application and game will be optimized for all devices and developers can take full advantage of the hardware.
Now lets talk about Android fragmentation. Even if you get a Android device with a 2ghz processor and Froyo the applications won't take full advantage of you hardware. Why is that? Because there are Froyo devices on the market with 528mhz and 600mhz qualcomm processors.

Mr.Sir said:
But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
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Because it's not "ancient" or "crap" and will allow for devices to be cheaper than they otherwise would be.

Mr.Sir said:
But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
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I also can't understand what is happening? It's one thing if HTC would have gone mad or something, but all leaks is pointing towards the QSD8250.
If you don't want a cheaper phone that preforms better and have a better battery time, it's up to you, but I want exactly that!

I hate to state the obvious but doesn't EVERY first gen wp7 device have the same qualcomm processor? strict hardware requirements anyone?
I mean if you knock htc for doing that you may as well knock everyone else for doing it. Fact is that's what microsoft specified for the first crop of devices

domineus said:
I hate to state the obvious but doesn't EVERY first gen wp7 device have the same qualcomm processor? strict hardware requirements anyone?
I mean if you knock htc for doing that you may as well knock everyone else for doing it. Fact is that's what microsoft specified for the first crop of devices
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Do you have a link? We're just complaining that all the leaks are leading to the first gen Qualcomm processor. You know, the one that was in the Toshiba TG-01 back in June 09, with the lacklustre Adreno 200 GPU. If it's the newer snapdragons with the Adreno205 GPU, then that'd be ALOT more acceptable for a current generation device.
In saying that, the Harvest game demo looks hot, but personally, i find it hard to believe that the Adreno200 is doing such good eye candy. I'd like to be proven wrong.
I'm still crossing my fingers that Samsung will have a hummingbird/SGX540 in theirs.

I just want to know what people are referencing to make them think the 8650 is cheaper than the 8250? I'm not buying that.

RustyGrom said:
I just want to know what people are referencing to make them think the 8650 is cheaper than the 8250? I'm not buying that.
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Dont know about cheaper, but it should be abit faster, and less power hungry giving better battery life, due to it being 45nm rather than 65nm. The real breaker is the GPU really. The Adreno 200 on the QSD8250 is like 1/3 the speed of the SGX540.
There are still rumours about that WP7 devices might have the QSD8250A processor @ 1.3ghz, so theres still hope.
Here's a list of Snapdragon CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)

Cruzer1 said:
Dont know about cheaper, but it should be abit faster, and less power hungry giving better battery life, due to it being 45nm rather than 65nm. The real breaker is the GPU really. The Adreno 200 on the QSD8250 is like 1/3 the speed of the SGX540.
There are still rumours about that WP7 devices might have the QSD8250A processor @ 1.3ghz, so theres still hope.
Here's a list of Snapdragon CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
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Well I get that but people are claiming that it's cheaper as well which seems highly unlikely to me. Maybe over time but not yet.

45nm parts are cheaper to make since they can fit more of them on a single wafer. I have no idea if they are sold cheaper or not to manufacturers but they are cheaper to make.

Op thanks for the look. You still need to remove the second pic as there is no information that isn't in the first except who is logged in.

RustyGrom said:
Because it's not "ancient" or "crap" and will allow for devices to be cheaper than they otherwise would be.
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I believe the 8255 is cheaper, because it's manufactured on a 45nm process instead of the 65nm. That means more chips per waffer = lower prices.

krjcook said:
I don't don't seem to understand why your angry at HTC and MS for using the Q8250 processor.
Think about it this way, That processor is the minimum hardware requirement for WP7, so every application and game will be optimized for all devices and developers can take full advantage of the hardware.
Now lets talk about Android fragmentation. Even if you get a Android device with a 2ghz processor and Froyo the applications won't take full advantage of you hardware. Why is that? Because there are Froyo devices on the market with 528mhz and 600mhz qualcomm processors.
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I partly agree, however:
Microsoft have said all phones will run all programs, no fragmentation. But we do know that if not the first wave uses the Adreno 205, the second one will. How long will the game developers care about the ones with the first Adreno 200 users?

Damn! Rumoured Galaxy S3 specs

How believable do this this article is?
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/samsung-galaxy-s3-complete-guide-50006020/
Need to get close to the facts on the new Samsung Galaxy S3? Here's what we think we know:
4.6-inch Super AMOLED Plus screen at 1,280x720-pixel resolution
1.8GHz chip with 2GB RAM for zippy multitasking and games
Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich with a refreshed TouchWiz skin
Camera-quality 12-megapixel photos
Styled like the Galaxy Nexus
And here's what we're hoping for:
A flexible OLED screen on a jaw-dropping curved chassis
TouchWiz mini apps that put social networking front and centre
Ultra-high ISO photography so we don't even need to use the sickly built-in LED flash

About as real currently as Father Christmas tho isn't it?

Reads more like a geeks favourite spec. than a real phone...

Neville.Holland said:
Reads more like a geeks favourite spec. than a real phone...
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barring the processor, the rest doesn't seem to unreasonable!

I found one minor aspect that could explain, why this thread was opened in the "Galaxy Nexus General" forum:
Styled like the Galaxy Nexus
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Seriously, what's that got to do with the Galaxy Nexus?

Well they would be really stupid to go for a 1.8 dual core instead of a Quad core, they are already building the A6 so it's not hard to imagine an Exynos quad core to come out of them. Also i really hope it has the specs listed i think i might pick up the SII instead of the nexus...

gokpog said:
I found one minor aspect that could explain, why this thread was opened in the "Galaxy Nexus General" forum:
Seriously, what's that got to do with the Galaxy Nexus?
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1. there is no sgs3 thread ;-)
2. more than likely that some of the nexus owners will upgrade and may find this useful

The only perk about the SGSIII is the quad core. If they gimp out with a dualcore, then I'd rather just have the Nexus.
The only quadcore chip that is out is the Tegra3 and it JUST was announced. It was a year before we started seeing tegra2s in the wild.
Asus Transformer Prime is shipping first of the year with a Tegra3 but who knows how long it will be before phones pick it up.
I could care less about the super amoled plus vs HD. At those high resolutions, the difference doesn't matter anymore.
And the camera is a camera. 90% of my photos are thrown on Facebook. As long as they look good then I'm good. Higher MP cameras produce such a large image that you have to compress and resize them for online uploads. I'm fine with 5-8mp on my phone. My G2x has a sweet 8mp camera... but I'd trade it in for a 5mp with instant shutter. Instant shots > higher Res shots IMO.
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV

Rumors with the dual core was that it would pack a ridiculously faster GPU for I'm guessing more hardware acceleration etc...
12mp camera would be nuts but Galaxy phones always try to have the best specs at the time and future proof a little. SGX 540 on the original Galaxy S was worlds ahead of everyone else when it came out.
Quad-core should be coming soon on phones......I say a few months. Plus, every things moving so much faster now, only a year 1/2 ago 1ghz single core was ridiculous =/
But, quad-core is really overkill on a phone, improved dual-core with a vastly faster GPU makes more sense

And samsung is offering financing on that phone right?
Sent from my samsung gt i9250 which is in the wrong country.

It's not about being overkill, it's the fact that barely anything is optimized for Dual-Core, and absolutely nothing for Quad-Core. Also, there is storage device that is always gonna be a bottleneck so what's the point of buying a quad-core phone before the software gets optimized?
Do you plan on running research laboratory 24/7 out of your phone's CPU or wtf?

Eldar Murtazin has said months ago that specs similar to these are indeed true.
Even with that in mind, I'm still planning to buy the Nexus. The SGS3 likely won't be announced until February and then won't be shipped until April. Even then it will be at an astronomical price, probably around the £700 mark I'd imagine.
Are you prepared to wait five months for the phone? I'm not. Even if these rumoured specs turn out to be 100% true, I'd rather just buy the Nexus now and then sell it in five months.
TL;DR: The rumoured SGS3 shouldn't affect your Galaxy Nexus purchasing decision.

I think we can say with a fair degree of confidence the GSIII will have an exynos 4412, which is a quad core A9 soc. Also pretty certain it will contain a Mali T604 MP4 GPU.
The T604 can output 68 gflops and 2 gigapixels/sec texel fill rate in its MP4 configuration. By comparison the sgx 543MP2 in the 4S manages something south of 12.8 gflops and 800 megapixels/sec texel fill rate. So yeah, the T604 is pretty beastly.
I think screen wise we will see the same 4.65 samoled HD that we see in the Nexus. It's likely too soon for the plus version.

pewpewbangbang said:
Quad-core should be coming soon on phones......I say a few months. Plus, every things moving so much faster now, only a year 1/2 ago 1ghz single core was ridiculous =/
But, quad-core is really overkill on a phone, improved dual-core with a vastly faster GPU makes more sense
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The LG Optimus 2x was a dual-core phone and was out around this time last year. Other Dual-Core phones didn't arrive until much later. And I agree with your quad-core overkill statement. It is. But I wouldn't upgrade my Nexus One for another single core when dualcore was ALREADY out. In this case QuadCore is NOT out and probably won't be for a while. We'll probably start seeing a few Quadcore's in March/May... followed by a few more in the Summer... but probably not coming state-side with subsidy till Winter/Q1 2013.

Well, plus version isn't really even needed. As reviews stated.....at such a high resolution, the problems pentile usually had are irrelevant.
Would love to see that mali and quad-core in the SGS III........feel like wouldn't even need to upgrade for years and years, but of course that won't happen. Will always want the next best thing

I don't mind pentile. At a given subpixel density, pentile will always be better than non-pentile imo. You get a higher resolution display with minimal side effects.
It's a very clever technology actually. I liken it to PowerVRs graphics technology where they only render the surfaces which can actually be seen by the viewer, thus saving on bandwidth and fillrate. It's about making the most from whatever resources you may have.

Why do people think those specs are far fetched? The SII will be coming up on it's year anniversary from being unveiled.
They got about three months to prototype the SIII, it sounds a little underwhelming if you ask me.

Last Samsung rep I spoke to said only details he had was that it would be 1.5 quad core or 1.8 duel core with 1gb ram

Either way, the GS III will be a beast of a phone just like the GS II still is. It should be launching around the same time as the iPhone 5 from rumors and go head to head.

milan03 said:
It's not about being overkill, it's the fact that barely anything is optimized for Dual-Core, and absolutely nothing for Quad-Core. Also, there is storage device that is always gonna be a bottleneck so what's the point of buying a quad-core phone before the software gets optimized?
Do you plan on running research laboratory 24/7 out of your phone's CPU or wtf?
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But see the thing is, just like in the Windows desktop OS, even if the program itself isn't capable of utilizing all of the cores, the OS at least balances the apps out on the least busy core.
Granted, apps like high end games will run much better on Android if they are SMP aware.
Another thing is that I remember when dual core phones were announced, a lot of doubters were saying battery life will be terrible. Well that turned out to be the furthest thing from the truth.
So if quad core does for battery life what the dual core did then we are in for some rockin battery life and smooth UI like never seen.
Joe

Why Windows Phones Are the Most Exciting Handsets at CES

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/01/windows-phones-ces-2012/

Best of CES Awards 2012 -> Nokia Lumia 900
http://ces.cnet.com/best-of-ces/?tag=mncol
Live from CES 2012: Windows Phone $100 Challenge 7
http://youtu.be/PeU7FW18Izc

The intel phone demo was pretty cool but those were just concepts.
Lumia and titan2 were the only phones that were ready to ship. The rest were either concepts or not being released till Q2 2012.
Personally - I wasn't too impressed with either windows phone (not enough improvement for me to upgrade from my 1st gen wp). I'm hoping Microsoft has something interesting at MWC because i know android is going to have quad core 720p resolution phones and i might not want to stick with windows phone with it's single core WGA resolution.

Both phones are really nice so deciding will be hard. Even from a technical stand point they only slightly differ one has a .1 Ghz fast CPU the other has gorilla glass. I think it primarily comes down to what you need. A big screen with a nice camera or a small phone that is still just as powerful, but not overly powerful.

karan1203 said:
The intel phone demo was pretty cool but those were just concepts.
Lumia and titan2 were the only phones that were ready to ship. The rest were either concepts or not being released till Q2 2012.
Personally - I wasn't too impressed with either windows phone (not enough improvement for me to upgrade from my 1st gen wp). I'm hoping Microsoft has something interesting at MWC because i know android is going to have quad core 720p resolution phones and i might not want to stick with windows phone with it's single core WGA resolution.
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Then leave. Nothing keeps you here. As someone who typing this on a stock GN? I'm about to leap back to WP when the 900 drops. Just because something has 4 cores doesn't mean it's actually going to use those four cores. Just because it's got a 720 screen doesn't matter if the OS or widgets or icons aren't optimized for it. I'll take something that just works over the bigger better stronger faster everyday of every week.

The only good phone at CES was the Lumia 900. Everything else was junk really.
Sent from my SGH-I897

bmstrong said:
Then leave. Nothing keeps you here. As someone who typing this on a stock GN? I'm about to leap back to WP when the 900 drops. Just because something has 4 cores doesn't mean it's actually going to use those four cores. Just because it's got a 720 screen doesn't matter if the OS or widgets or icons aren't optimized for it. I'll take something that just works over the bigger better stronger faster everyday of every week.
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You don't know what you're talking about. 720p display has nothing to do with the software. Please read up on how displays work.

All these quad core android leaks, What MS needs to do

I am seeing all of these crazy quad core android leaks now and windows phone will get even more behind in specs. Look i know that most apps wont even utilize the quad core, there are barely any apps that do dual core but Apollo better be groundbreaking and allow quad core cause that is where MS needs to compete. At this rate i think the next iPhone too will be outdated on release.

wp7 doesn't need quad core, in fact, 99% of the smartphone users don't even need a dual core.
you'll see these quad core phones with a huge price tag, low battery life and performing the same as single/dual core devices.
it's completely unnecessary. it's not like you're running lightroom and premiere on your phone.

svtfmook said:
wp7 doesn't need quad core, in fact, 99% of the smartphone users don't even need a dual core.
you'll see these quad core phones with a huge price tag, low battery life and performing the same as single/dual core devices.
it's completely unnecessary. it's not like you're running lightroom and premiere on your phone.
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Completely unnecessary? Definitely, wanted by many? Hell yes

svtfmook said:
wp7 doesn't need quad core, in fact, 99% of the smartphone users don't even need a dual core.
you'll see these quad core phones with a huge price tag, low battery life and performing the same as single/dual core devices.
it's completely unnecessary. it's not like you're running lightroom and premiere on your phone.
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My concern is with heat dissipation with all that processor power. In addition to my DVP, I have a MyTouch4G Slide - 1.2 ghz dual core - and it can get hot when you are using it. I am curious to see what the longevity of these 1st gen dual cores are based on my experience with the heat. My DVP seldom gets hot, neither did my nexus one for that matter. Just a thought...........

smoked by a windows phone
Haven't you seen any of the Smoked By Windows Phone challenges? A Windows phone is faster than any of the android or iphones out there with dual core processors. IMO thats saying something.

I'm kinda fed up by these donkheads using Android who talks about nothing but specs. You can put WHATEVER you want in that ****ing OS and it will still not run smooth because IT IS NOT OPTIMIZED FOR ****.

aren't these new procs supposed to be more efficient and cooler than the previous batch?

Its stupid that android is desperately trying to become more and more like a desktop PC.

michael_chea7 said:
Haven't you seen any of the Smoked By Windows Phone challenges? A Windows phone is faster than any of the android or iphones out there with dual core processors. IMO thats saying something.
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Stitch a panorama? Smoked.
Shoot 1080? Ditto.
Higher CPU needs are coming ...

emjlr3 said:
aren't these new procs supposed to be more efficient and cooler than the previous batch?
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Generally, yes.

lovenokia said:
I am seeing all of these crazy quad core android leaks now and windows phone will get even more behind in specs. Look i know that most apps wont even utilize the quad core, there are barely any apps that do dual core but Apollo better be groundbreaking and allow quad core cause that is where MS needs to compete. At this rate i think the next iPhone too will be outdated on release.
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Quad cores are nice and stuff but they suck up a lot of battery power add that to the already 4G sucking up most of it and you get a phone that you have to charge every few hours a day. It's like a laptop with a cell phone battery.

ohgood said:
Stitch a panorama? Smoked.
Shoot 1080? Ditto.
Higher CPU needs are coming ...
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gimmick gimmick gimmick

prohibido_por_la_ley said:
Its stupid that android is desperately trying to become more and more like a desktop PC.
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This comment is ridiculous when you remember windows phone 8 is a desktop OS on a phone. well at least the kernel.
Quad cores however, are not needed on a phone at this point of time. Tablets yes, phones no. But to all that worry, Apollo is coming out this year

jz9833 said:
This comment is ridiculous when you remember windows phone 8 is a desktop OS on a phone. well at least the kernel.
Quad cores however, are not needed on a phone at this point of time. Tablets yes, phones no. But to all that worry, Apollo is coming out this year
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well u know what I mean, I meant it by the hardware standpoint.

I do think that Windows Phone needs to enter the dual core market for the gaming segment. Quad core is not necessary now and I suspect the Android market will not be dominated by quad cores in 2012.
But we do have to face facts, if (and I am not saying this is indeed a fact) the consumer wants a dual core then sales will not be where you want them to be if you are pushing out single cores. And so on. Imagine an OEM only making 3.2MP point and shoot cameras because that is enough to print on 8.5x11.

nicksti said:
I do think that Windows Phone needs to enter the dual core market for the gaming segment.
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It's exactly what I was going to say.... Xbox live titles are pretty good and they are getting better but, still not even close to some RPGs or Rage on the iphone or Android for graphics detail, quality and game play.
Xbox live is a brand that is known for great games, As a gamer, I am disapointed in the offerings given on my WP7 device. They are good but, not great.
Quad cores are just too much (battery and heat are the big ones), crap, to do better games, just give a better GPU, no quad core or even dual core is needed in most cases.

DavidinCT said:
It's exactly what I was going to say.... Xbox live titles are pretty good and they are getting better but, still not even close to some RPGs or Rage on the iphone or Android for graphics detail, quality and game play.
Xbox live is a brand that is known for great games, As a gamer, I am disapointed in the offerings given on my WP7 device. They are good but, not great.
Quad cores are just too much (battery and heat are the big ones), crap, to do better games, just give a better GPU, no quad core or even dual core is needed in most cases.
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absolutely agree, this is exactly why my device thats near on 2.5 YEARS old still kicks the balls off devices made yesterday
However, graphically intensive tasks are hampered by its aging Adreno 200 GPU
I believe the younger brother of my phone the HD7 had the Adreno 205 which gave it a significant bump, personally, i want the S3 Snapdragons, not for the multiple cores but the new Adreno 220/225.
The old S1 processor in my thing is still standing true, shoving 3 or even another 1 core in it is going to make the square route of bugger all difference in my every day needs.

The only reason for WP7 to have more CPU power is for gaming (and for the spec sheets of course). I am sure Apollo will bring multi-core support which will enable even better games. As it goes, some of the xbox live titles are fairly impressive, but there are games on other platforms which are significantly better due to the power available.
The only thing I have seen mentioned in this thread that is worth having more power for other than games, is 1080p video recording. It definitely does make a difference - I have a camera that does 1080p and it is very very nice. Cant wait for that, although I have a sneaky feeling that the second gen devices could do it if the software allowed it - correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, don't change Windows Phone! Keep it as it has always been. The first Gen devices from two years ago are sufficient, so there is no need for improvement! You see how great they sell!
Maybe quad core is a bit much on a phone (whereas I could imagine having one in my tablet), but if it improves multitasking, saves battery at the same time and makes speedier cameras, faster web browsing and better games possible- then fine, give the people the chance to buy these devices. Not everyone may need them (they buy the middle class models with the last gen hardware) but there definitely is a market.
And yes, imo Android devices are way faster than WP7 devices, equally smooth and offer a superior interface which looks better and offers far more options - a matter of taste!

Arjoma said:
... You see how great they sell! ...
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You ignore the fact that most sales people completely ignore selling WP7 over the easy sell of Android and iOS.
And yes, imo Android devices are way faster than WP7 devices, equally smooth and offer a superior interface which looks better and offers far more options - a matter of taste!
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Sorry... seen way too many laggy Android ROMs and devices to fully believe this statement. Whereas, every WP7 device has been consistently smooth. Superior interface is purely subjective.