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[Q] Better battery life (Kernel Confusion)

Recently i've ventured into kernel threads wondering how i can get better battery life on my G2. I consider myself pretty well versed in roms but Kernels are a whole new animal for me.
I have read so many threads im becoming dizzy. If i have to flash a kernel for better battery, which one? I dont have demands for a faster phone. Most of the threads about kernels i have read are all about getting a faster clock. Im fine with the speed of my G2. I just want better battery.
Can some one provide me with some literature on the subject, point me in the right direction, or even better, answer some questions for a noob in this particular subject??
What Kernel to use?
Can i flash over CM 6.1 Stable?
Do i need to wipe before flash?
Any assistance will surely allow me to sleep better at night.
Thank you in advance.

I can tell you im running virtuous 7.2 i find pershoots kernel the best for battery.
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shortlived said:
I can tell you im running virtuous 7.2 i find pershoots kernel the best for battery.
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If you want great battery life, don't use a sense rom. They're battery hogs as it is. Stay on CM 6.1 and flash pershoots latest kernel. Get setcpu and set a profile to 245/245 when the screen is off.
With these settings I get awesome battery life and I'm overclocked to 1497.
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rp1783 said:
If you want great battery life, don't use a sense rom. They're battery hogs as it is. Stay on CM 6.1 and flash pershoots latest kernel. Get setcpu and set a profile to 245/245 when the screen is off.
With these settings I get awesome battery life and I'm overclocked to 1497.
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Oh ya i learned through trial and error to stay away from sense roms.
Can i ask you why you overclock? I dont find myself in any moments where i think the phone should be going faster.
I can flash pershoots over cm with no problems?
Can i get a link?
thanks for the response.

Well i lpike sense but only when its ocd sense too sluggish on stock g2 speeds. Also even with ocing and runing sense my bat last just about all day. It sometimes needs a shot a juice if im useing gps or playing a lot of games but thats it.
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Decent battery life on my G2.
I'm running htc sence on mine with the pershoot kernal and cpu tuner.I have tweaked profiles and my battery life is better than b4.Example, i took it off the charger(ac) yesterday morning @ about 9:20am & today Thur, i checked the [email protected] 11:50am and my battery is only @ 40%.(1 day,3hrs & 31min's later)not bad.That's WITH moderate use.

Utorrent76 said:
I'm running htc sence on mine with the pershoot kernal and cpu tuner.I have tweaked profiles and my battery life is better than b4.Example, i took it off the charger(ac) yesterday morning @ about 9:20am & today Thur, i checked the [email protected] 11:50am and my battery is only @ 40%.(1 day,3hrs & 31min's later)not bad.That's WITH moderate use.
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So whats CPU Tuner? Do you have some suggestions for how to tweak the profile? Can i get a link to the pershoots thread? Is this the right thread? --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847672
Do I have to wipe before flashing and then reinstall cm over it?
When I went into SetCPU, it always kinda confused me. That could be why I was never interested in overclocking.
I realize I have a lot of questions. Im just a careful and thorough person.

Simple.
@dangabob13...Don't worry about all the questions i'd want to b super carefull as well.First, cpu tuner is a free app in the market much like set cpu except u get more options as far as customizing your profiles.Second you can find the pershoot kernel right with in rom manager.Just go to the download rom section & its the 3rd one down.I didn't wipe and i haven't had any problems.The reason i switched to the pershoot kernel was because i was having problems waking up the screen with HTC sense and the kernel it came with.This fixed the issue for me.No need to b confused it's actually pretty simple.My profiles for cpu tuner are as follows:
Under the "Current" tab: i have the governor set to "conservative" i have the cpu o.c to 1094 MHZ.No need to go crazy over clocking i find this to b fast enough for now. The rest of my profiles:under the "profiles"tab,
Performance:Ondemand-Max:1094 Ghz,Min:768Mhz.
Good:Conservative-Max:1094Ghz,Min:768Mhz.
Normal:Conservative-Max:1094Ghz,Min:768Mhz.
Power save:Conservative-Max:1094mhz,Min:768Mhz.
Screen off:Conservative-Max:768Mhz,Min:768Mhz.
Extreme Power save:Conservative-Max:768Mhz,Min:768Mhz.
Keep in mind i also have wifi,blutooth,sync all disabled as well.I'm not saying this is guaranteed to work for you, I'm simply stating what works for me. Good luck i hope this helps.

Quick question....doesn't CM6.1 Stable have the pershoot kernel already? Also does the Pershoot kernel the one that goes to 1.8Mhz?
Not that I'm interested in going that high, but just wondering.
I OC for games mainly, but also to watch tv and movies, the extra umph really helps. My setup on SetCPU are:
Temp>40.2*C 368 / 245 Powersave Priority 100
Screen Off 245 / 245 Powersave Priority 90
Charging/full 1497 / 245 Interactive Priority 85
Battery<10% 268 / 245 Conservative Priority 80
Battery<30% 806 / 245 Conservative Priority 70
Hope this helps.

Utorrent76 said:
@dangabob13...Don't worry about all the questions i'd want to b super carefull as well.First, cpu tuner is a free app in the market much like set cpu except u get more options as far as customizing your profiles.Second you can find the pershoot kernel right with in rom manager.Just go to the download rom section & its the 3rd one down.I didn't wipe and i haven't had any problems.The reason i switched to the pershoot kernel was because i was having problems waking up the screen with HTC sense and the kernel it came with.This fixed the issue for me.No need to b confused it's actually pretty simple.My profiles for cpu tuner are as follows:
Under the "Current" tab: i have the governor set to "conservative" i have the cpu o.c to 1094 MHZ.No need to go crazy over clocking i find this to b fast enough for now. The rest of my profiles:under the "profiles"tab,
Performance:Ondemand-Max:1094 Ghz,Min:768Mhz.
Good:Conservative-Max:1094Ghz,Min:768Mhz.
Normal:Conservative-Max:1094Ghz,Min:768Mhz.
Power save:Conservative-Max:1094mhz,Min:768Mhz.
Screen off:Conservative-Max:768Mhz,Min:768Mhz.
Extreme Power save:Conservative-Max:768Mhz,Min:768Mhz.
Keep in mind i also have wifi,blutooth,sync all disabled as well.I'm not saying this is guaranteed to work for you, I'm simply stating what works for me. Good luck i hope this helps.
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I dont have a conservative option under the Governor dropdown. is that important. Otherwise i duplicated your settings. Boasting 27 hours of up time and 40% left is bound to make me jealous ill test it out. Thanks again.

That's strange is your cpu tuner app up to date? I also wanted to mention that my screen brightness is set to 20%,heptic feed back is turned off and so is vibration. Along with a few other battery saving options you should see a difference in battery life.Obviously results will vary.

Utorrent76 said:
That's strange is your cpu tuner app up to date? I also wanted to mention that my screen brightness is set to 20%,heptic feed back is turned off and so is vibration. Along with a few other battery saving options you should see a difference in battery life.Obviously results will vary.
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Ha its so funny. I have the same exact settings. i took a look around and turned off all that stuff. I keep my GPS on because it only uses battery when its being used. But i turn off wireless locations so that its not always trying to centralize my location.

[Q]Did any of you use SETCPU/ CPU tuner on Play? what is the best setting

I bet there are some of you use either the setCPU or CPU tuner on your play..
I heard it will help save some valuable juice...
I tried setCPU/CPU tuner and i think the default setting have reduce the performance when batt go before 50% or temp over certain temperature, I get annoy when i trying to fight on a 3d game...
so I really hope any expert here can advise which is the best setCPu you have used on play, for a reference for me...
beside setCPU, i like CPU tuner for the ability to toggle 3g/2g when batt is low.. so if anyone using CPU tuner instead, please share your setting for your PLAY...

heres the profiles i have on mine, in order (setcpu)gives me tripple the battery life.
ScreenOff - max 368640, min 122880
Charging - max 1024000, min 122880
Battery <10% max 368640, min 122880
Battery <35% max 768000, min 122880
scaling is OnDemand for all of them!

looks simple... but just wonder, when it move to 368... on screen off, will it automatically switch back to 1024... when we turn on the screen?

yeah. unless its below 35% or 10%

been trying out for 1 day, havnt see much improvement, but does see the batt last longer in 20% below...
i think I will try to mimic this setting to CPU tuner, which can turn off 3G somemore on extreme batt save setting, it might help more tho..

Any new tests given to improve battery life? My xperia play is rooted and am hoping that someone out there has found the best settings\profiles to use.
Please post it here. Many thanks

Anyone else use this or a similar program, if so do you get good results ?.

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Anyone else use this or a similar program, if so do you get good results ?.
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I noticed an improved battery usage after using 245 max/122 min (Powersave scaling) on Screen Off and then 1024 max/122 min (Ondemand scaling) as normal.
That combined with stopping all unnecessary services seems to work great so far (although I'm still looking for alternatives to improve things).

lagfree governor on main, min 122Mhz and 1.6Ghz on max
powersave governor, 122mhz min and max, screen off profile
performance governor, 600mhz max, 122 mhz min, on call profile
all priorities set on 100, using SETCPU

Except when gaming, I have it set to 768 conservative governor, stock ROM.
Also, I have screen off set to 245 max 122 min with powersave governor.
Edit/update: for some weird reason my battery life actually decreased when using setcpu, no matter how it was set. I've now disabled it, and the battery life went back to how it was before. Weird.
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Best SetCPU Config for Desire

Hello
Does anybody use set cpu with HTC Desire ?
I would like to know wich settings work the best for you. I am trying to get the best compromise between battery life and performance.
Thanks

128MHz - 998MHz ondemand. I get more than enough life out of it. I found that if your using AOSP and not really doing much on it like just texting or calling people, capping the max to about 600MHz or 500MHz if you want, works a dream and you get even longer out of it.

Smartass is better or worse ?

I do not see any real difference between smartass and interactive in term of battery live and performance.
On demand seems to drain slightly faster than smartass.
I set my Desire to 384-1136 with interactive govenor.
I charge it once i a day each time before I go to bed anyways (sleeping time usually23.00 - 05.00), so further battery saving is not necessary to me
Edit...my normal usages are:
Syncs (no auto sync by opening):
Friendstream 4 hrs
News 4 hrs
Weather 6 Hrs
push Yahoomail
push Googlemail
push Whatsapp
push EBuddy
Active background :
Lookout antivirus
No app killer used
Phone calls : about 1-2 hrs each day
Music listening mit DSP add-on : 4 hours
Fruit ninja (man! this is addictive!) : 1 hrs
Browsing (Dolphin HD + Android market) : 2 hrs
welll....every time I charge my battery it is about 15-25% left till out of juice...if I use my phone more than those, I have to charge it earlier (more than once a day)

245 - 985 MHz Conservative give mere 36 hours power and running smooth.
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For me the battery has never lasted more than a day... Even on my un-rooted one...

BTW: Battery live depends on many things
1. Your ROM and kernel
2. Your runnning application, syncs, etc.
3. your usage and settings such as cpu freq, display brightnes, airplane mode, etc.
4. Received signal quality.
5. The condition of the battery...is it top fit for example?
It is difficult to measure the battery live.
@atuladhikari : battery live has nothing to do with rooting..

aaa said:
BTW: Battery live depends on many things
1. Your ROM and kernel
2. Your runnning application, syncs, etc.
3. your usage and settings such as cpu freq, display brightnes, airplane mode, etc.
4. Received signal quality.
5. The condition of the battery...is it top fit for example?
It is difficult to measure the battery live.
@atuladhikari : battery live has nothing to do with rooting..
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It's LIFE not live
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kpyhere said:
Smartass is better or worse ?
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I don't like using any of the other governors since I get lag. I hate lag. OnDemand gets rid of the lag for me. I've had it before where I was using smartass and it took ~30 seconds for my screen to turn back on from idle. I wasn't too impressed.

setcpu
thanks meaple for your advice
i think that set cpu is fine on "ondemand" for some roms and for others roms no
set cpu is included on oxygen settings and running well

Cool, I need to download Setcpu

128-998 ondemand
screen off 128-384 ondemand
in call 128-384 ondemand
I get very good battery and performance with theses settings.

Which app do you guys recommend? Tried overclock widget doesn't seem to be working.
Am on Insertcoin stock GB rom.

dezpo said:
Which app do you guys recommend? Tried overclock widget doesn't seem to be working.
Am on Insertcoin stock GB rom.
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Maybe SetCpu?

bates060 said:
It's LIFE not live
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DidI do that?....I did.... LOL.

I used to use set cpu
set a profile like
Smartass
on charge - 1113mhz
80% - 100% - 998mhz
59% - 79% - 600mhz
35% - 58% - 500mhz
Screen Off - 300mhz
Priority was higher for lower battery %
BUT I stopped using it because of the little bugs, like when it changes to 384mhz for no reason after unlocking screen
It also affects the standard script with the rom you install, so you can never uninstall it properlu, you have to do a full wipe install and never install it, until I did that my phone was always a little laggy
I prefer my phone without it Each to their own

@shankly1985 - you didn't noticed wakeup lag with 128 MHz?
I must use 245 - x MHz to properly and fast unlock my phone.

Best Setcpu config for Desire is - no Setcpu at all.
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BUT I stopped using it because of the little bugs, like when it changes to 384mhz for no reason after unlocking screen
It also affects the standard script with the rom you install, so you can never uninstall it properlu, you have to do a full wipe install and never install it, until I did that my phone was always a little laggy
I prefer my phone without it Each to their own
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I couldn't agree more with you. Experienced all of the above so no go.

245-1033mHZ with smartass give me two day out of my desire loaded with insercoin 1.0.9 with v06 kernel !
I am mostly sending Text message and some calls.

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@shankly1985 - you didn't noticed wakeup lag with 128 MHz?
I must use 245 - x MHz to properly and fast unlock my phone.
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Not at all mate, I get zero lag on my phone. when I check the info on the setcpu app and time in state 128 is at 85% so my phone is using very little cpu.

[Q] Calk's Preset Profiles to save battery question?

Notes about Battery Saver script
Can be used with kernels that have init.d support
It completely eliminates the need for an application to set CPU speeds or profiles
Easily customizable if you use a text editor(scripts located in /system/etc/init.d)
It will set Max CPU speed to 500MHz & Min CPU speed to 200MHz when a sleep
If SetCPU, Overclock Widget, Android Overclock or QuickClock Advanced Overclock are detected, the script is ignored, so it will not affect them
Preset profiles are:
1.2GHz - 100-85%
1.0GHz - 84-36%
800MHz - 35-0%
And just an FYI, even at 800MHz, the phone still operates very well & smooth but the battery saving are the real benefit
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Does this mean that if I don't use Set CPU or any app that undervolt it, the phone will AUTOMATICALLY drop the CPU speed according to my battery level:
1.2GHz - 100-85%
1.0GHz - 84-36%
800MHz - 35-0%
Another word, it will automatically drop CPU speed to 800 MHZ when my battery level is 35-0% in order to save battery?

It won't "Drop" the CPU speed, it will lower the Maximum speed the CPU is allowed to ramp up to.

Drumrocker said:
It won't "Drop" the CPU speed, it will lower the Maximum speed the CPU is allowed to ramp up to.
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So if I am not doing CPU intensive stuff and just play simple games, email, web surfing phone call, then I am not going to see battery improvement since my CPU probably don't ramp past 800MHZ anyway when I am just doing simple stuff.?

Calk's ROM undervolts the CPU at all speeds so that in itself should help a little with battery life. But you are correct, if you are not doing CPU intensive tasks the CPU probably isn't spending much time at the higher speeds.
There is an app called CPUSpy which shows how much time the CPU has spent in each frequency state.

Your phone will ramp up to 1200 mhz more than you think. When it loads a webpage, it will ramp up to 1200, when it's loading your "simple" game, it will max out for a bit, etc.
It might not stay there for very long, but still. The nice thing about Calkuins rom is that even at 800 mhz, the phone is super smooth and lag free. In fact I just turn setcpu down to 800 all the time.

Let me research setcpu and play around with it. Thanks again for the quick answers.

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Your phone will ramp up to 1200 mhz more than you think. When it loads a webpage, it will ramp up to 1200, when it's loading your "simple" game, it will max out for a bit, etc.
It might not stay there for very long, but still. The nice thing about Calkuins rom is that even at 800 mhz, the phone is super smooth and lag free. In fact I just turn setcpu down to 800 all the time.
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The way Calkulin's rom scripts are setup, setcpu gets reset on every reboot, even if you have it set to boot settings. The scripts installed will still take priority and the old rules apply, just to let you know. So you would have to set setcpu every boot for it to work, that or remove the scripts.
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Team era... Does the same idea apply to the blazer 2.0 battery saving script? or does tegrak break it?
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I havnt opened that rom, but Im gonna say the same applies, I remove those scripts, 2 will affect the cpu state.
edit, let me clarify, the scripts take prority, even if the app makes a script for init.d, the original script will take over on a reboot. So the script breaks tegrak, setcpu, and voltage control unless you set the app on every reboot.

I am running Calks 2 and desperado kernel. I notice when using setcpu, if you have it set on boot, it will override calks script.
His script does work well on saving battery life though. I ran oc'd while at 20% and still had 1700mhz blazing on performance gov.
I'd still use Calks script over setcpu or tegrak only due to the fact im too sporatic with my phone use to create optimal profiles to fit the way and when i need to use the device.

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I am running Calks 2 and desperado kernel. I notice when using setcpu, if you have it set on boot, it will override calks script.
His script does work well on saving battery life though. I ran oc'd while at 20% and still had 1700mhz blazing on performance gov.
I'd still use Calks script over setcpu or tegrak only due to the fact im too sporatic with my phone use to create optimal profiles to fit the way and when i need to use the device.
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Actually in my own testing setcpu will not override the scripts, the slider may stay the same, but trust me, it goes back to 800 (or 1200 over 86%batt), Ive tested it several times. If you want proof Ill tell you how to figure it out. I know Im not respected yet, but I am someone that is known under another name that is highly respected, so, take it as you will.
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Era, what's your suggestion for keeping the battery saving scripts running and getting a 1500 ish over clock when needed... something that can do both without having to physically change setcpu everytime. I basically want to permanently over clock to 1.5 and still save as much battery as possible when i have the screen off or it is charging. Idk if setcpu profiles work on this phone because i know they did not work correctly on the galaxy s. And one final question... what voltages do u run at what speeds on the "desperado" kernel to undervolt efficiently?
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TeamERA said:
Actually in my own testing setcpu will not override the scripts, the slider may stay the same, but trust me, it goes back to 800 (or 1200 over 86%batt), Ive tested it several times. If you want proof Ill tell you how to figure it out. I know Im not respected yet, but I am someone that is known under another name that is highly respected, so, take it as you will.
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ERA. I wasn't looking to say that you were wrong in any way shape or form. I would be interested to know how you seen this as I am still in the beginning phases of learning the android system. I do plan on writing my own kernal/roms but I was actually sharing what my logical thought process would have been given the apps and system info I had avail.
I have a little ways to go in understanding the structure and FS of droid. Time is everyones enemy. Thanks for the correction again!

I havnt opened that rom, but Im gonna say the same applies, I remove those scripts, 2 will affect the cpu state.
edit, let me clarify, the scripts take prority, even if the app makes a script for init.d, the original script will take over on a reboot. So the script breaks tegrak, setcpu, and voltage control unless you set the app on every reboot.

I'm currently running Calkulin's rom v2.5, and even at 41% battery I notice the cpu still hits 1.2 Ghz. Is his script activated by default or am I overlooking something? I also have nothing like setcpu installed.

[Q] SleeperRom DRM Service killing battery?

I froze all of the DRM services as shown in the picture below, yet it is still hogging battery resources as shown below.
Does anyone know how this is possible and how to fix this?
I'm using SleeperRom 1.0.11 and Shadow Kernel 1.03+.
Thanks.

That doesn't help. Percentages don't mean anything. ALL your applications have to run through android system. Take off android from your phone and you can't run anything. To see what is using your battery check Betterbatterystats. What files have the most time on them? Check processes and partial wakes if your battery drains while your phone is in standby. Also get CPUSpy and make sure your phone goes into deep sleep when in standby and not on charge.
Just because it lists DRM in the android system does not mean it is using more than a second or two of quick checking services. This is why some apps screw up if it is removed instead of just frozen. It has to check if the files are still on your phone.

Thanks, i'll try that app. I assumed that since it was at the top, it was using the most. Since updating to SleeperRom 1.0.11 and Shadow Kernel 1.03+, my battery does not seem to be as good even though I have not changed the way I use my phone. This is why I was investigating.
after checking betterbatterystats, I don't even see the DRM service anywhere within the app, so I guess that is good.
I guess my phone just doesn't agree with the update to sleeper 1.0.11 and shadow 1.03+

akuentzler said:
Thanks, i'll try that app. I assumed that since it was at the top, it was using the most. Since updating to SleeperRom 1.0.11 and Shadow Kernel 1.03+, my battery does not seem to be as good even though I have not changed the way I use my phone. This is why I was investigating.
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I have not tried that combo but is there a default overclocking setting? I tried SleeperROM before and it defaulted to 1100 Mhz overclock. If you came from a ROM with no OC set then that would explain it.

kennyglass123 said:
I have not tried that combo but is there a default overclocking setting? I tried SleeperROM before and it defaulted to 1100 Mhz overclock. If you came from a ROM with no OC set then that would explain it.
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I usually don't touch the overclock settings and I always to do clean wipe when installing my roms, so whatever is default should stay.
voltage control is set to conservative, min 100, max 1000 Mhz.

akuentzler said:
I usually don't touch the overclock settings and I always to do clean wipe when installing my roms, so whatever is default should stay.
voltage control is set to conservative, min 100, max 1000 Mhz.
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If you set that as apply on boot after the wipes if you mean data wipe, and install then it should be 1000 max. Easiest way is just check CPUspy. Have you changed brightness on your display? Did the ROM add any apps like Gtalk with video that you didn't have before that may need to be frozen? Definitely get Betterbatterystats and check what's running.

kennyglass123 said:
If you set that as apply on boot after the wipes if you mean data wipe, and install then it should be 1000 max. Easiest way is just check CPUspy. Have you changed brightness on your display? Did the ROM add any apps like Gtalk with video that you didn't have before that may need to be frozen? Definitely get Betterbatterystats and check what's running.
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I think the major difference is the shadow kernel and the use of voodoo color. I was previously on samurai 2.0.6 or 2.0.8 i think.
I have always had auto brightness on. Betterbatterystats did not reveal anything out of the ordinary.
I guess i'll just try a new rom/kernel combo and see if I can get better results. Thanks for your help Kenny. Betterbatterystats is a nice tool i had not known about.

No problem. I did find that voodoo color and the voodoo control app use a little extra battery plus having to increase brightness a little with voodoo color used up a little more battery.
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