Is it possible to use ROM Manager if you use Amon_RA's recovery?
I have been thinking about trying out CynMod6, but I dont really want to flash it and wipe again and wimax worries me not being on CynMod6, and from what I have read switching back to what I am running BakedSnacks1.5 is smoother when using Rom Manager.
Some other General Questions:
1 - things that I want to fast boot do I need to be placing them on the root of the phone?
2 - Everyone talks about a Nand Backup, Is doing a Nand Backup on Amon_RA's recovery and then a Titanium Backup and a Backup on App Brain enough for changing to a different ROM? I guess the real question is how should I go about my backup?
I understand the issues with things already being posted but I have been on this forum literally for 2 whole days now and making the effort not to be redundant but if I could just get a few things cleared up it would be a big relief. Search function isnt as helpful as I would like it to be here. Not knocking the forum just saying for Noobs like myself sometimes a question just needs to be asked.
Yes, you can flash either recovery with ROM Manager.
1) What are you talking about? Things you want to be able to flash (ROMs, radios, etc.) should go on the root of your SD card so they will be accessible in recovery.
2) Yes, that's certainly enough. Nandroid (NAND backup) will be a snapshot of your current ROM, Titanium will back up your apps and data, and AppBrain will also remember your apps. Be careful with TB, it can cause problems if you restore all sorts of data between different ROMs, it can break apps and system processes, and it's mostly just too much power for somebody to go blindly batch-restoring.
I always advise flashing from recovery, not ROM Manager (wiping, too), just because it's cleaner. Maybe I'm just OCD.
Now as far as backing up apps, couldn't you just save all the installer .apk's and then reinstall them after you wipe your data the same as backing up your apps using titanium or any program like it. And is something like rom manager really necessary bc from what I'm reading if prefer the"ocd" way of doing a clean reinstall.
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I was hoping someone could help me get things straight in my head before I proceed any further. Currently I am running stock w/root 1.47. The first thing I did was get titanium backup (donate version) and backup my apps and system data. This is where I am at a loss.
I want to be running a lean, fast phone with wifi tethering. Here are my questions:
I installed ROM manager, can this be used to test out different roms without rebooting into my recovery?
Is there a list of apps I can remove? I can use titanium backup to remove them (also, should I remove, pause, or delete?) Specifically I don't want things like sprint nascar, sprint zone, etc.
Will the roms remove my useless apps, or do I need to do it manually? Specifically I was thinking of installing baked snack.
Thanks
ROM manager has an option inside the app to boot you into recovery. No way around trying a new Rom other than going into recovery, wiping, and flashing.
Go to the android chef forum and search 'apps safe to remove' and it should turn up a thread that keeps a list of apps you can use.
Most custom roms, including baked snack, remove bloat apps (mostly Sprint apps)
Awesome, one more thing. I am trying to figure out what to backup using titanium backup. On my stock rom, lets say I have all the apps downloaded that I want to use. Do I want to exclude everything RED on titanium backup and just backup the green programs? When I flash to a new rom and go to titanium backup, if I backed up EVERYTHING and restore it, wouldn't it put the bloatware back on my phone?
Just a couple of questions that I need answers too as I'm reading all this info and getting distressed. Is Rom Manager, Nandroid Backup, Clockwork all the same? I try searching for them individually on the market but only get the Rom Manager to show up. All the different guides and what not are not consistent. So I'm not sure what to do there....
Rom Manager is an app designed to pull up uploaded ROMs desginated for your specific phone for easy download. It coordinates with Clockwork Recovery to perform wipes, backups, and installs of ROMs on your phone. Clockwork is the replacement recovery manager that the new unrevoked tool has replaced on your phone. Going into recovery, your phone can create nandroid backups, and flash different .zips containing roms, kernels, or themes people have made. Did that clear anything up?
yes that cleared some things up. thanks! i'll have to read more on it to fully understand what nandroid is, i just did a titanium backup and am looking to install a new kernal as i hear it speeds up the phone as well as the cyanagenmod (thought I'm not sure what the best rom is for me, but ive seen a lot of posts praising that one). so much to learn, so little time.
I've been running stock rooted 3.29 deodexed.
Finally decided to try out Myns Warm 2.2 today. Did a Titanium backup and a nand backup, flashed the new ROM. I wasn't expecting all my widgets, apps and homescreen settings to remain intact. Obviously I was pleasantly surprised when they were.
Two questions:
1) Is this normal behavior for any ROM (e.g., CM6) or just because Warm2.2 is a Sense-based ROM? How did it even know all my homescreen settings? Did Titanium restore them without my asking? (Yes I know that's three questions in one, sorry)
2) Why were all my homescreen icons/widgets doubled up on top of eachother?
I know these are probably basic questions but just based on everything I've read I was expecting to have to install Ti backup, restore my apps, and then re-setup my homescreens. So this was just really surprising to me.
Just noticed that it also retained the flash that I applied for the 4-in-1 reboot mode (hot reboot, recovery, etc). Color me confused.
Shane112358 said:
I've been running stock rooted 3.29 deodexed.
Finally decided to try out Myns Warm 2.2 today. Did a Titanium backup and a nand backup, flashed the new ROM. I wasn't expecting all my widgets, apps and homescreen settings to remain intact. Obviously I was pleasantly surprised when they were.
Two questions:
1) Is this normal behavior for any ROM (e.g., CM6) or just because Warm2.2 is a Sense-based ROM? How did it even know all my homescreen settings? Did Titanium restore them without my asking? (Yes I know that's three questions in one, sorry)
2) Why were all my homescreen icons/widgets doubled up on top of eachother?
I know these are probably basic questions but just based on everything I've read I was expecting to have to install Ti backup, restore my apps, and then re-setup my homescreens. So this was just really surprising to me.
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Hi there...well, as a noob myself I have learned that when you flash any NEW ROMS from different developers, you MUST wipe DATA, CACHE & DAVLIK/CACHE 1st. If you are upgrading from Myn Warms 2.2 3.29 OTA to 3.30 then you usually don' have to unless they tell you to. That's why your icons/widges are doubled up. Can't go from Stock rooted ROM to Myns...different development.
It will wipe everything on your system and install the ROM brand new as if you bought your phone that way. Items in your SD card will remain there...it does not wipe that. The NAND backup is good if for some reason your EVO goes haywire you can just do the old fashion Bootloader and go into recovery and get everything back. (I actually do this once a week just incase I need to go back to a place when my EVO was perfect...I delete any old ones so that I don't get confused.)
Once you flash the new ROM then go into titanium back up and restore everything. I use Mybackup Pro (Free for 30days to try out)...it saves my home/android screen so That I don't have to reset everything I have except for login into my POP mail server. Not a fan of Titanium but a lot of people seems to like it.
You may need to restore your Evo to that NAND you just did, then WIPE...then flash Myns. Also Myns ROM has the 4-1 reboot. I hope this helps...
Well that explains the 4-in-1 but I did wipe my cache and dalvik cache twice before flashing Warm2.2. I was not on Warm2.2 so this was a change from stock to Warm2.2. So I still don't see how all my settings were retained.
I'm not looking for a "clean" install of Warm2.2 - I'm merely trying to understand why it happened this way when I thought that it wasn't supposed to, and if this behavior is normal.
And just out of curiosity why don't you like Ti backup? I've always wondered if it really serves any good purpose since it seems like Nand backups all my apps anyways....?
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Well that explains the 4-in-1 but I did wipe my cache and dalvik cache twice before flashing Warm2.2. I was not on Warm2.2 so this was a change from stock to Warm2.2. So I still don't see how all my settings were retained.
I'm not looking for a "clean" install of Warm2.2 - I'm merely trying to understand why it happened this way when I thought that it wasn't supposed to, and if this behavior is normal.
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Unfortunately you will need to do a clean install when you go from one ROM to another. Even if the other ROM is a rooted stock ROM...still someone's ROM they created with the stock OTA.
You have to wipe DATA too, no way around it....because the system is rooted and different developers change the path to what they want to do with their ROM you can't flash MYNS on top of someone else's rooted stock ROM. It will conflict with one another (hence the overlapping of icons/widgets). That's why they created apps like Titanium and Mybackup Pro because it will be like a clean phone you just bought and instead of taking hours to set up your phone again...do a restore from one of the programs and you will be up and running with the new ROM.
I love Myn's ROM...
Shane112358 said:
And just out of curiosity why don't you like Ti backup? I've always wondered if it really serves any good purpose since it seems like Nand backups all my apps anyways....?
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The way I view NAND backup is like a system restore on your PC. I don't use it unless I want to make sure there is a good location for me to go back to just in case my EVO acts up.
I tried titanium backup...visually it doesn't give me confidence as a noob...mybackup pro is very simple and does its purpose.
honeyBfly said:
Unfortunately you will need to do a clean install when you go from one ROM to another. Even if the other ROM is a rooted stock ROM...still someone's ROM they created with the stock OTA.
You have to wipe DATA too, no way around it....because the system is rooted and different developers change the path to what they want to do with their ROM you can't flash MYNS on top of someone else's rooted stock ROM. It will conflict with one another (hence the overlapping of icons/widgets). That's why they created apps like Titanium and Mybackup Pro because it will be like a clean phone you just bought and instead of taking hours to set up your phone again...do a restore from one of the programs and you will be up and running with the new ROM.
I love Myn's ROM...
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Yeah I think I discovered your point. Myns ROM works flawlessly going from stock to Myns without a data wipe. But I just put on CM6 and had several FC and launcher problems. For some reason I never thought that wipe also meant data wipe...I was probably just trained by all the mod flashes I've been doing....
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Yeah I think I discovered your point. Myns ROM works flawlessly going from stock to Myns without a data wipe. But I just put on CM6 and had several FC and launcher problems. For some reason I never thought that wipe also meant data wipe...I was probably just trained by all the mod flashes I've been doing....
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I was always told to wipe everything when flashing one ROM to the next. But only wipe cache & Davlik/cache if your flash themes...Kernels or different MODS.
Two questions for you two since you both seem to know what you're doing
1. Did either of you use the special recovery images? (Clockwork/AmonRA)
2. I backup everything to Titanium Backup Pro...but if i wipe EVERYTHING that means Titanium Backup Pro will be gone as well...so how am I supposed to get everything restored if the app is gone?
1) Not sure, I use clockwork recovery but don't know what a special recovery image is.
2) My understanding is that you have to reinstall Ti backup, and whence forth it will find the old restore files that you can use to restore your apps.
Whenever installing a new rom it is best to do a FULL wipe meaning data,cache, and davlik. Even though there may not be any problems initially upon use, there will likely be some down the road. It's your phone though, do as you please.
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RTC88 said:
Whenever installing a new rom it is best to do a FULL wipe meaning data,cache, and davlik. Even though there may not be any problems initially upon use, there will likely be some down the road. It's your phone though, do as you please.
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So I did a full wipe last night and installed CM6. It installed just fine but my data didn't work....kept telling me that I didn't have a SIM installed. I could make phone calls though. I'll have to try again tonight but I did a restore so I had a functional phone today. Any idea why that happens?
Also I did a full backup with My Backup Pro so I'm assuming I can just reinstall My Backup Pro and it will find my backed-up data for restoration?
Could be a network problem on sprint's side.
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R1pTheJacka said:
Two questions for you two since you both seem to know what you're doing
1. Did either of you use the special recovery images? (Clockwork/AmonRA)
2. I backup everything to Titanium Backup Pro...but if i wipe EVERYTHING that means Titanium Backup Pro will be gone as well...so how am I supposed to get everything restored if the app is gone?
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1. Yes...AmonRA.
2. When you use an APP like Titanium and Mybackup Pro...it saves your backup to your SD card and a full wipe does not wipe external memory cards only internal system stuff. So once you wipe and flash a new ROM...you need to go to market first and foremost to download whichever backup program you used and then order it to restore your phone. It will know the path in which it used to back everything up and pull from there. Follow the prompts.
Hi, if you're like me, you like flashing a lot of different ROMs, whether it be CM nightlies, TW's, or just different AOSP builds. But I've come to find a lot of people use different methods to restore their apps and data. Some of which include:
#1. Titanium backup restore apps & data. (Traditional way)
#2. Extract from Nandroid (which I wanna know more about)
#3. Advanced restore data (from backup) after restoring apps. (Seen this mentioned a couple times in the threads)
Anyone care to share what's been working best for them? Or a new method I may not know about? Just trying to find the best and most efficient way to restore apps and data after flashing a new ROM.
*Also, not a big fan of 'dirty flashing' as it doesn't always result in a stable ROM experience. So any elaboration on the above mentioned methods would be helpful. Thanks.
drewmonge said:
Hi, if you're like me, you like flashing a lot of different ROMs, whether it be CM nightlies, TW's, or just different AOSP builds. But I've come to find a lot of people use different methods to restore their apps and data. Some of which include:
#1. Titanium backup restore apps & data. (Traditional way)
#2. Extract from Nandroid (which I wanna know more about)
#3. Advanced restore data (from backup) after restoring apps. (Seen this mentioned a couple times in the threads)
Anyone care to share what's been working best for them? Or a new method I may not know about? Just trying to find the best and most efficient way to restore apps and data after flashing a new ROM.
*Also, not a big fan of 'dirty flashing' as it doesn't always result in a stable ROM experience. So any elaboration on the above mentioned methods would be helpful. Thanks.
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In my case I've using TB to backup and restore and never had a problem as long as I didn't restore a system app that was in a different framework or systemUI. Also, TB has an option to create an update.zip that you can flash. In the options you can select what apps are to be included, wether them being only user, system or both types of apps. In the past I have used recovery to back up data only and restore that, but the back draw (someone correct me if I'm wrong) is that it also backups system apps (tw settings, dialer, etc) and if you flash that on a AOSP ROM (CM) it'll give force closes and other problems.
The advance restore is from recovery in that restores data part of a nanroid...
Dirty flashing is ok if it is an incremental update of the ROM you are using. The dev always lets the user base know when it's an incremental or total change in the ROM that requires either complete wipe for the former or just cache/dalvik for the later.
I could be wrong in some points, these are thing that I've read and done....
Thank you, @dragon_rckr! Lots of great tips. Will be trying some of what you mentioned. Forgot about the creating zip from TB method.
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app2zip
This is pretty cool. You can flash this right after flashing a new rom and on the first boot have everything right there
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsInNjZC5hcHAyemlwIl0.
A couple of things. I've been reading xda for a while but am by no means anything other than a "noob" I know just enough to be dangerous to my phone, but so far only soft bricked my old cappy once. So a very grateful thank you to all the hard work you guys put in to pushing the development.
As a somewhat experienced noob I can say first hand that reading through all these threads and posts that lead in a thousand directions is pretty hard and time consuming. That's why all the "what ROM is best" threads. I sounds kind of selfish coming from someone who has contributed nothing other than traffic to xda, but a section for comparing different ROMs would stop most of those posts.
Now for the questions. Is there a way to put a .zip of the stock ROM on my sd card so I can go back to stock anytime I want? I know I can flash back to stock with odin, but can it be done thru the recovery console? I would like to be able to have several ROMs saved on sd and use recovery to flash between them. I'm not real happy with ROMManager... is freezes all the time, and I've not one time been able to flash with it.
Thanks
Make a backup! Install cwm on your device ...boot into recovery> create backup....
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k.zacher said:
A couple of things. I've been reading xda for a while but am by no means anything other than a "noob" I know just enough to be dangerous to my phone, but so far only soft bricked my old cappy once. So a very grateful thank you to all the hard work you guys put in to pushing the development.
As a somewhat experienced noob I can say first hand that reading through all these threads and posts that lead in a thousand directions is pretty hard and time consuming. That's why all the "what ROM is best" threads. I sounds kind of selfish coming from someone who has contributed nothing other than traffic to xda, but a section for comparing different ROMs would stop most of those posts.
Now for the questions. Is there a way to put a .zip of the stock ROM on my sd card so I can go back to stock anytime I want? I know I can flash back to stock with odin, but can it be done thru the recovery console? I would like to be able to have several ROMs saved on sd and use recovery to flash between them. I'm not real happy with ROMManager... is freezes all the time, and I've not one time been able to flash with it.
Thanks
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WOW one of the most brutally honest statements I've seen here in a while. That's good. And yes it's all very confusing at times, even for non-noobs lol.
Answer-->once you have rooted and cwm or twrp installed make a nandroid of your system, you can restore this at any time. Once you install a rom and get it running how you want and want to try another rom make a nandroid of that one in recovery, you can go back by restoring it. You can do this in this way until your happy with what your running or you run out of storage.
One word of advice...nandroids are snapshots of how your phone is at that moment...any apps, texts, modifications after the nandroid wont be in it....but...a nandroid combined with my back up or titanium backup is great, nandroid for the system and my back up or titanium backup for texts, apps, call logs and such and you can switch back and forth or install a new rom and restore user apps and call logs, texts, ect without losing those. Remember don't back up system apps or system settings as those may mess up on a different rom, only back up user apps(those you've installed).
Hope this helps a little
BTW--> don't use ROM manager to flash anything other than the recovery. Boot into recovery and flash stuff manually. Also, I would suggest twrp recovery as both have issues with auto naming backups, but at least with twrp you can name it whatever you want before you make it.
Just be careful. I remember a Nandroid not flashing the radio but they may have fixed that. Other than that you should loose nothing other than whatever apps you may have installed on the ROM your tinkering with.
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I was hoping to make a backup of my non rooted completely stock ROM. I don't see how to do that if first I have to root and flash CWM or another recovery to do the backup. I didn't see any way to do it from the stock recovery. I have looked to see if anyone has posted an zip image of stock non rooted but the only way I've seen to go back to stock is odin3. Is that correct and am I just wasting my time? I wanted that image so I could go back and update to the new stock ROMs as they come out to test drive and see if I want to use them. Just seems easier that way.
Thanks for your responses
I THINK someone posted a zip format of stock but your best bet would be Odin since you didn't make a backup before. I was wondering this a while back too.. Kinda surprised its not in such high demand..
Edit: are nandroid backups device specific? Can one nandroid backup be used for multiple phones? If it can, I'll flash Odin and post nandroid of stock later tonight
jethro650 said:
WOW one of the most brutally honest statements I've seen here in a while. That's good. And yes it's all very confusing at times, even for non-noobs lol.
Answer-->once you have rooted and cwm or twrp installed make a nandroid of your system, you can restore this at any time. Once you install a rom and get it running how you want and want to try another rom make a nandroid of that one in recovery, you can go back by restoring it. You can do this in this way until your happy with what your running or you run out of storage.
One word of advice...nandroids are snapshots of how your phone is at that moment...any apps, texts, modifications after the nandroid wont be in it....but...a nandroid combined with my back up or titanium backup is great, nandroid for the system and my back up or titanium backup for texts, apps, call logs and such and you can switch back and forth or install a new rom and restore user apps and call logs, texts, ect without losing those. Remember don't back up system apps or system settings as those may mess up on a different rom, only back up user apps(those you've installed).
Hope this helps a little
BTW--> don't use ROM manager to flash anything other than the recovery. Boot into recovery and flash stuff manually. Also, I would suggest twrp recovery as both have issues with auto naming backups, but at least with twrp you can name it whatever you want before you make it.
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Titanium backup is a must. And pay for the app, its cheap and you support the developer.
Also, I've had better results with cwm. As soon as I make a backup to my SD card I boot into the ROM and change the filename.
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Titanium backup is a must. And pay for the app, its cheap and you support the developer.
Also, I've had better results with cwm. As soon as I make a backup to my SD card I boot into the ROM and change the filename.
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree titanium is not a "must" I've been using my backup pro for years without problems to make my backups. In my opinion its has a better more user friendly user interface with the same freeze/uninstall options. Also as a recovery twrp is gaining ground on cwm for its better options, one of which is renaming backups on the spot when you make it. Add in a file manger, terminal window, multiple flashes at once and many more options many think it is a better recovery. The way the newer cwm makes nandroids makes it very hard to delete individual nandroids, search cwm blobs for more info.
Also, check our mskips toolkit stickied in the dev section for a backup. You will need to be rooted but not to sure about the recovery. You may be able to do it with the stock recovery as I think it uses adb for pretty much everything it can. There is a way to make a backup on stock recovery through adb but you will need to be rooted, his toolkit will do that also.