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I would like to know if there's gonna be an application HUB in the new Windows Phone 7 Series??
Would be nice to have a hub where you can add your favorite 3rd party applications like:
- Location/Navigation software (Google Maps, TomTom, iGO, CoPilot etc.)
- Browser software (Opera, Skyfire etc.)
- Games
- Multimedia software (CorePlayer, TCPMP etc.)
Sorted by example on Category or Most used.
Would be nice, usefull and marketable.
I don't get why Microsoft would introduce an "Application Hub" when the point of Hubs was to get rid of the "applications".
Games would be in the games hub, multimedia would be in the multimedia hub. There's an applications list in alphabetical order on the start page if the right arrow is pressed...
according to http://www.modaco.com/ there's a marketplace hub. does this mean this is the only entry point to install applications? Makes me get panic attacks!
I guess that there'd be another way to install applications, unless they want to have corporate users stay with WinMo 6.5.* for the future, as when a company wants to have a mobile app tied to there custom company software for in house use, they for sure wouldn't want it to take the way over the Marketplace.
As for having the most used applications easily available: you could just pin them to the Startscreen a.k.a. Live-Tiles. You can pin single contacts, single albums, single songs there and I believe somebody already said, that u could pin programs from the App-List to the right too. Depends on the application how it then uses the Live Tile (to display highscore, in-game scenes or what not).
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I guess that there'd be another way to install applications, unless they want to have corporate users stay with WinMo 6.5.* for the future, as when a company wants to have a mobile app tied to there custom company software for in house use, they for sure wouldn't want it to take the way over the Marketplace.
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That is a good point. I hope you are right. Not being able to run whatever program I want to is a big deal breaker for me. If this were the case I would go Android unless WP7 gets jailbroken (I feel so sad using this term for WM/WP; it is so open right now. Why restrict it in such ways?).
the reason that they are restricting the apps, is to make the system more stable. They want the experience to be amazing on every phone, eg making the hardware requirements so strict. They want to be able to evaluate what an app does to the system before it is released. They are making the submission parameters easier to comply with, so it will be easy to put your work on marketplace. They new marketplace specs for 6.5 will give developers the ability to make links straight to the app on the marketplace.
Initially I was starting to kinda freak out, but I think this is for the best. It will force people to use the marketplace, and since it won't support old apps, it will move all the applications for windows mobile to one spot, it is just one more way they are trying to compete with apple.
And on a side note, I'm not actually sure that winpho7 has a file explorer... Nothing in the demo gave me reason to think that one would be there. I think they are trying to replace explorer with the hubs.
If you swipe left on the start page, you get a list of all your applications.
I don't think there's a seperate, categorised hub.
I believe you can also add shortcut tiles on the start page, but that's all I know.
(And yeah, I too would like to find out whether WP7 has a file explorer...)
webpatrick said:
I would like to know if there's gonna be an application HUB in the new Windows Phone 7 Series??
Would be nice to have a hub where you can add your favorite 3rd party applications like:
- Location/Navigation software (Google Maps, TomTom, iGO, CoPilot etc.)
- Browser software (Opera, Skyfire etc.)
- Games
- Multimedia software (CorePlayer, TCPMP etc.)
Sorted by example on Category or Most used.
Would be nice, usefull and marketable.
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I don't mean to be rude but this doesn't make any sense.
Add your favorite applications to your Start Screen. All the rest are in a list when you swipe to the right.
Apps that fit a certain category would go in that category's hub. Why would you have Games in an Application hub and then have a Games hub? Remember under the Music&Video hub there was Pandora (right now they have it under a list of apps under the hub).. that's your Multimedia software.
I do agree that additional hubs would make sense.. we don't only care about people and pictures etc. but also things like RSS news updates, or like you said, location and navigation. An Internet hub would be a good place for Favorites/Bookmarks, History (shared across every installed browser), RSS, IE8 Web Slices, website notifications (not every update on Twitter and Facebook is by an actual person/contact), etc. If you give the same treatment to Location/Mapping, then suddenly you don't have the standalone apps of IE and Bing sticking out in the hub-centric experience.
but a bunch of shortcuts to different programs doesn't make sense as a hub, just pin them to Start.
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the reason that they are restricting the apps, is to make the system more stable. They want the experience to be amazing on every phone, eg making the hardware requirements so strict. They want to be able to evaluate what an app does to the system before it is released. They are making the submission parameters easier to comply with, so it will be easy to put your work on marketplace. They new marketplace specs for 6.5 will give developers the ability to make links straight to the app on the marketplace.
Initially I was starting to kinda freak out, but I think this is for the best. It will force people to use the marketplace, and since it won't support old apps, it will move all the applications for windows mobile to one spot, it is just one more way they are trying to compete with apple.
And on a side note, I'm not actually sure that winpho7 has a file explorer... Nothing in the demo gave me reason to think that one would be there. I think they are trying to replace explorer with the hubs.
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The problem is that you have to pay $100 for your spot at the marketplace table. Even if your app is free. Simply not fair. No more xda members coding up their own programs and releasing free.
And hubs is not a file explorer. I dont want a device that thinks it knows what I want to do with my files. If I want something that restricts where I get apps and what files I am allowed to store on my device I will get an iphone.
The only thing wp7 might have over iphone os (besides interface; I do think wp7 has a very cool and original ui; that is a matter of opinion though) is multitasking. While details are slim and it sounds like multitasking capability will be very restricted, it sounds like background processing will be available to third party apps at least in some form. Thats more than iphones can say.
Unfortunately I think its android time for me. But I'm not sad about it. Ive started really looking into it and it seems pretty cool. It has full multitasking now and the latest phones are sporting some awesome hardware. I will probably get my first android phone over the summer and i'm excited.
I'm not waiting nearly another year to get hands on an actual wp7 device. Maybe when more details come out it won't be so bad but I doubt it and I'm not waiting to find out. The direction of Microsoft is back in time toward more restriction and control of the product. It's time I jump ship to an open source OS. Sad because I love MS desktop products. My computing world is a constant battle between google and MS. I use windows 7, outlook, exchange, windows mobile office ect. But I choose google over ie, google over bing, and soon android over wm. Will be interesting to see how well this combination will play together.
I don't think installing Cab files will change all too much..I believe it will be much like it is today except we aren't putting the cart before the horse this time. I mean Marketplace just launched months ago even though WinMo has been around for over a decade...its hard to have an effective marketplace when people who want apps know the better places to find them. This time around the app store will launch with the OS so i think it puts more emphasis on the App store (to the average consumer) as well as being better integrated into the phone...but who's/what's stopping us from just downloading Apps the same as usual? Microsoft has mentioned that Activesync will still work with WP7 (Zune will be just for music, pictures, movies) so why is it all of a sudden impossible just to do what we've been doing for years?
It seems odd the exodus that seems to be happening lately. Its like you guys were perfectly happy with with Windows the way it is now?!?! If you are then stay with it the way it is now..lol. I personally can't wait to the what the guys here are gonna come up with for HUB's...hell I can't wait for HTC to put their special touch on WP7..I can imagine the HUB put together in a TF3D fashion...with their own additions of Weather (with that gorgeous UI) stocks...etc. I'm not gonna lie...the possibilities are as endless in the future as they are with the current OS. I think it will be fun to see in about a year, how many of you guys who are riding the fence or doubting the upcoming release will change your minds.
I once had to drag my best friend on a double date....he didn't want to go, he complained the whole way there...saw the girl, and did everything he could to make an excuse to get out of there (she wasn't his type)...now they're married, crazy things happen when you give something a chance. I've waited 2+ years for this and won't back out now just because I see something I don't know the answer to...once I get the OS in hand I will make my decision. I think thats the most logical way
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I don't think installing Cab files will change all too much..I believe it will be much like it is today except we aren't putting the cart before the horse this time. I mean Marketplace just launched months ago even though WinMo has been around for over a decade...its hard to have an effective marketplace when people who want apps know the better places to find them. This time around the app store will launch with the OS so i think it puts more emphasis on the App store (to the average consumer) as well as being better integrated into the phone...but who's/what's stopping us from just downloading Apps the same as usual? Microsoft has mentioned that Activesync will still work with WP7 (Zune will be just for music, pictures, movies) so why is it all of a sudden impossible just to do what we've been doing for years?
It seems odd the exodus that seems to be happening lately. Its like you guys were perfectly happy with with Windows the way it is now?!?! If you are then stay with it the way it is now..lol. I personally can't wait to the what the guys here are gonna come up with for HUB's...hell I can't wait for HTC to put their special touch on WP7..I can imagine the HUB put together in a TF3D fashion...with their own additions of Weather (with that gorgeous UI) stocks...etc. I'm not gonna lie...the possibilities are as endless in the future as they are with the current OS. I think it will be fun to see in about a year, how many of you guys who are riding the fence or doubting the upcoming release will change your minds.
I once had to drag my best friend on a double date....he didn't want to go, he complained the whole way there...saw the girl, and did everything he could to make an excuse to get out of there (she wasn't his type)...now they're married, crazy things happen when you give something a chance. I've waited 2+ years for this and won't back out now just because I see something I don't know the answer to...once I get the OS in hand I will make my decision. I think thats the most logical way
~style~
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I think you have misunderstood the announcements. Activesync (as in sync with PC) will NOT be available. It also seems that there is no way to access the file system on the device. The only way to install apps is through the marketplace. They are removing the ability to just install a cab as we have always done. That is the problem. I am not saying I won't give it a chance. These points may turn out to be wrong. All I am saying is that current info suggests that this is the case and if so WP7 is not for me. Of course I am not going to pass final judgement until it is released. But since all indicators point to the negative I am not going to wait to find out for sure when there are tempting alternatives. And no I am not satisfied with WM as it currently is. The problem is that WP7 fixed what was wrong with WM6 and at the same time trashed everything that was good about WM6 (once again, nothing is for certain but this is what evidence points to).
ok even if it's like that it's microsoft.
Even iphone has jailbreak. In our case we will not have to worry for warranty.
The so called no oem sw will return as bumerang on them.
This is the most hardcore forum on pda's and every one says bhaaaa on MS.
When they did their survey they mast asked only iphone and simple phone users, sertainly not wm users. )
1st off this is not intended to be a flaming / bashing thread. If you want to do that please go elsewhere; I'm sure the vibrant forums will welcome you. If a MOD feels this belongs somewhere else, please move it.
I have been a long time WM user and recently switched to android for the past year. I am offering my take on WP7 on the pros on cons.
Interface - Finally something completely new and wonderful. Microsoft really did hit a homerun on trying to make information at a glance approach. Mail and search apps look beautiful. I thing missing, being able to quickly jump to apps in the app menu.
Lack of Landscape Support- For as great as the UI is I am shocked at the lack of landscape support. The start menu, app menu, nor Zune have lanscape support. You can not even refresh a webpage or type in a website if you are in landscape mode. Calling this anything other than an epic "FAIL" by microsoft is sugar coating it. Especially when the HD7 and Surround beg to be in landscape mode with their kick stands.
Browser - As expected from an IE browser it is pretty good. I already mentioned the lack of landscape support which is really frustrating but there is something else that gets under my skin more. Web pages do not resize to fit the screen when you zoom in. This was/is almost a deal breaking for me honestly. I love the organization of having all the buttons at the bottom and the interface is stunning but you lose way to many options in landscape mode. You can't even access favorites without first going back to portrait. MS, this NEEDS to be addressed soon. The browser is the main feature of smartphones now.
Zune - Wonderful if you have a Zune Pass. Honestly it was one of the main reasons why I bought this phone. I expected it to be awesome and it didn't disappoint. That being said they need to add a Play Now option to the market songs. When I'm browsing the market sometimes I want to queue songs and the Add to Playlist option makes sense but how could you leave out Play now? Seriously?
Another thing I don't like is I can not fast forward to a certain spot in a movie. Video files can be hours long, why should I have to hold the fast forward button to get to the point I'd like. Let me hit the progress bar and then use the rewind / fast forward buttons for getting to the exact point.
USB Storage Device- glaring admission, but I can kind of see why. It helps stop piracy, but I loved being able to hook my fuze / tilt 2 / nexus 1 / vibrant to my car stereo and play the music I had downloaded on my phone. I know I could get an audio cable and do the same, but while driving it is so much easier to use the radio head unit to control music rather than your phone. I knew this when getting in bed with WP7, but that doesnt mean I still can't miss it.
Bluetooth- for music works just like it should. however it will not play the audio from video files threw bluetooth. It keeps coming out of my phone's main speakers and there is no way to get into the bluetooth profiles to see if something is wrong. VERY ANNOYING MS. get to fixing it.
People- Wonderful. Could anyone ask anymore? I gave it my facebook and gmail accounts and I didn't have to worry about any contacts not showing up. Love the Facebook updates also.
Dailer- No smart dialer? This used to even be in my old wizard by default. How it get left out is completely beyond me.
Announced fixes- Flash, Copy & Paste, Turn by Turn navigation can't come soon enough but I am glad microsoft acknowledged they needed them.
Local Outlook Support- I knew this before hand, but I am in the crowd that says MS needs to add this ability.
Overall- I bought my HD7 without a contract and I am pretty sure i will NOT be returning it. I love my HD7 and WP7, however this OS isn't entirely complete. That being said was iOS and Android complete when they came out? To even suggest that is laughable. I can not wait for microsoft to release all the fixes for this OS because when it does it will be a powerhouse.
I will not buy that this phone is for dumbsmart phone users. I probably done more with my phones than 95% of android users who will do nothing by bash WP7 and i honestly see this for ALL users. It helps bring the powerhouse experience in an easier way without being tied down as much as iOS.
Why not just post in one of the other 50 threads? Now people will be copy-pasting replies from those into this one.
I did notice the lack of landscape mode in IE. I think that was the only thing that made me go WTF when I used the HD7.
However, the keyboard is so good that I don't think it even mattered that much.
I guess with a 3.7-8" screen it can be a bit annoying, but on anything 4" or bigger it didn't strike me as a big deal beyond the initial shock of it not being there.
Also, lots of people dont' seem to know the difference between an Operating System and an Application.
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Why not just post in one of the other 50 threads? Now people will be copy-pasting replies from those into this one.
I did notice the lack of landscape mode in IE. I think that was the only thing that made me go WTF when I used the HD7.
However, the keyboard is so good that I don't think it even mattered that much.
I guess with a 3.7-8" screen it can be a bit annoying, but on anything 4" or bigger it didn't strike me as a big deal beyond the initial shock of it not being there.
Also, lots of people dont' seem to know the difference between an Operating System and an Application.
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Those threads became nothing but flaming / bashing threads. I thought it would be a good idea to try to get away from that.
Also a core application can be considered part of the OS. If you can not uninstall it, it is part of the OS.
I thought it was annoying not being able to get to the address bar with all that screen space.
I don't know about you guys but my Surround goes into landscape mode IE just fine...
The only thing I don't like is lack of landscape in marketplace and Zune...
also if you want a nice photo editor, Thumba photo editor for $.099 is awesome!
EDIT: Oh i see. I can't believe I have to switch to portrait to type a URL!! WTF microsoft!
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Browser - As expected from an IE browser it is pretty good. I already mentioned the lack of landscape support which is really frustrating but there is something else that gets under my skin more. Web pages do not resize to fit the screen when you zoom in. This was/is almost a deal breaking for me honestly. I love the organization of having all the buttons at the bottom and the interface is stunning but you lose way to many options in landscape mode. You can't even access favorites without first going back to portrait. MS, this NEEDS to be addressed soon. The browser is the main feature of smartphones now.
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Overall I agree with just about everything you said. Regarding the browser, I've noticed that certain areas of webpages are zoomed in more than others. For instance, on xda, the text of people's posts is HUGE compared to the buttons such as User CP, etc. at the top of the page. What I've found is a double tap in my area of interest on a page will zoom the page so that ONLY my area of interest is approriately sized. Then, when I want to switch to another part of the page, I double tap there and the page will resize, and so on. The text does not dynamically reflow a la Android, but I think it's a pretty usable system.
-R
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Dailer- No smart dialer? This used to even be in my old wizard by default. How it get left out is completely beyond me.
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There is voice dialing in WP7 not sure what you mean by smart dialer???
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There is voice dialing in WP7 not sure what you mean by smart dialer???
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By going to the dailer and being able to spell "MOM" for example on the keys and it would automatically come up with the number for that contact.
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Also a core application can be considered part of the OS. If you can not uninstall it, it is part of the OS.
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Lol, what? No, it's not. It's a stock application distributed with the OS. It is not part of the OS.
By the Logic people can say "Android is buggy because the GMail client is buggy." or "Windows Mobile is buggy because the Opera Browser HTC bundled with the HD2 is buggy." or "Linux is full of bugs because the KDE in that distro is buggy as hell."
Every OS comes with a set of stock applications, but they are just that, and are usually updatable independent of installing a new kernel or driver stack on the device.
In any case, I've already said I agree that the lack of landscape mode is an issue.
I just wanted to make that distinction, because lots of people on this forum are incapable of doing it themselves.
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Lol, what? No, it's not. It's a stock application distributed with the OS. It is not part of the OS.
By the Logic people can say "Android is buggy because the GMail client is buggy." or "Windows Mobile is buggy because the Opera Browser HTC bundled with the HD2 is buggy." or "Linux is full of bugs because the KDE in that distro is buggy as hell."
Every OS comes with a set of stock applications, but they are just that, and are usually updatable independent of installing a new kernel or driver stack on the device.
In any case, I've already said I agree that the lack of landscape mode is an issue.
I just wanted to make that distinction, because lots of people on this forum are incapable of doing it themselves.
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I still completely disagree with you. Froyo for Android made plenty of browser updates so would you say that wasn't a OS update?
I like most people consider stock apps part of the OS
jz9833 said:
I still completely disagree with you. Froyo for Android made plenty of browser updates so would you say that wasn't a OS update?
I like most people consider stock apps part of the OS
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Agree. Basically system is made of apps.
If email app built into it is buggy, we can say OS is buggy.
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I still completely disagree with you. Froyo for Android made plenty of browser updates so would you say that wasn't a OS update?
I like most people consider stock apps part of the OS
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Doesnt meam ur right and most people are ignorant in os design and the diff between an os and an app distributed with said os.
Obviously...
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Doesnt meam ur right and most people are ignorant in os design and the diff between an os and an app distributed with said os.
Obviously...
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then you are going to have to disagree with almost all people. This isn't a techy vs jock debate. These are apps which are built into the os and therefore part of the os.
But anyway this thread is meant for objective evaluation of WP7. If you want to continue this debate we should continue it somewhere else.
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By going to the dailer and being able to spell "MOM" for example on the keys and it would automatically come up with the number for that contact.
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You can use search in the people hub for something very similar. Admittedly not an exact substitute but it works well enough for me.
jz9833 said:
I have been a long time WM user and recently switched to android for the past year. I am offering my take on WP7 on the pros on cons.
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Good post
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USB Storage Device- glaring admission, but I can kind of see why. It helps stop piracy, but I loved being able to hook my fuze / tilt 2 / nexus 1 / vibrant to my car stereo and play the music I had downloaded on my phone.
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How does this increase piracy? If the files you buy on Zune are locked down they can still do this even if there is a common store of files accessible as usb mass storage. Either by drm or by using isolated storage for those files.
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Local Outlook Support- I knew this before hand, but I am in the crowd that says MS needs to add this ability.
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If you do it this way, then you are working with two sets of data (email, calendar, tasks, contacts, etc.) neither of which is guaranteed to be up to date. I don't see why people think this is preferable to a server-based system.
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I will not buy that this phone is for dumb smart phone users.
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Hopefully this will be true; I will keep my fingers crossed. Currently, as I see it, they are targeting people who don't understand what files are, and would be confused by files, and who believe that music consists of songs arranged by artists into albums. I.e. the dumb mass market.
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How does this increase piracy? If the files you buy on Zune are locked down they can still do this even if there is a common store of files accessible as usb mass storage. Either by drm or by using isolated storage for those files.
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The cintent u purchase in zune have no drm..... The piracy statement is legit.
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though given you just purchased for your zune account, you can then access it on zune desktop, and burn discs from there. so no necessarily correct.
however, what i think of a common storage area is a good idea. just have it so that the pictures, videos, music, documents are in a folder view for when you plug the phone into your PC. it would really only require a bit of mapping within the OS to make it look like a storage unit. Even if it was just more restricted down to just the documents section, that's still something. better than nothing imo as i don't have access to skydrive at work. but aye, i can live with it, it's not going to make me want to return the phone.
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though given you just purchased for your zune account, you can then access it on zune desktop, and burn discs from there. so no necessarily correct.
however, what i think of a common storage area is a good idea. just have it so that the pictures, videos, music, documents are in a folder view for when you plug the phone into your PC. it would really only require a bit of mapping within the OS to make it look like a storage unit. Even if it was just more restricted down to just the documents section, that's still something. better than nothing imo as i don't have access to skydrive at work. but aye, i can live with it, it's not going to make me want to return the phone.
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Its 2001, people pirate with digital media. Cd piracy may still be hip in the third world, but I haven't operated a cd player in years (or used my computer to play one), much less bought or burned one.
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Its 2001, people pirate with digital media. Cd piracy may still be hip in the third world, but I haven't operated a cd player in years (or used my computer to play one), much less bought or burned one.
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how about an MP3 cd? to play in your car? to lend to a friend? or your USB stick? as soon as it's available on zune desktop you have a copy of it... there is plenty ways around it. i'm not saying you should do it, i'm saying the possibilities are there.
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The cintent u purchase in zune have no drm..... The piracy statement is legit.
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If the files are not DRMed, and Microsoft wants to protect them, either it can DRM the files, or it can keep them in isolated storage. The existence of common storage doesn't exclude isolated storage.
Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
Before I begin my rant, please allow me to say that I have used many many many PDA phones. And WP7 has without a doubt, some of the most GLARING problems I have ever seen in a mobile OS.
My phone history (in no [particular order]:
-T-mobile Pocket PC (the 1st one)
- SE P800, P900, P910I
- Xperia X1
- Many different WM 5.0, 6.0 6.5 phones (maybe 10 or more). If I were to list them all this would take all day. My most recent WM phone before this HD7 was the HTC TyTN II.
- Nokia N93i, N95, N900 (still got it)
- Nokia Communicators 9210 and E90
- Iphone 1st Gen
- Kyocera Palm OS phone
- Probably other stuff I forgot about along the way.
(Btw, all of these phones had address books which worked great)
I am in no way saying that I am some PDA expert, but I think its safe to say I've used alot of PDAs.
Good afternoon. I really hope somebody from Microsoft or Steve himself or some MS dev is reading this.
I recently bought a HTC HD7 and after using it for 1hr my initial impressions were very good....THEN i used it a bit longer and I started to realize something.
Cons:
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
2. The WP7's media playerss seek function needs to work like a STANDARD portable TOUCH SCREEN media player. Why am I not able skip to the part of the video I want to watch by simply sliding my finger along the time bar until I reach my target moment? Why am I forced to press a seek button instead? I thought this was a touch screen phone, not to mention the fact that Pocket PC, Pocket PC 2003, WM 5.0 WM 6.0 WM 6.5 all included this missing function. Do you guys even watch movies on your cell phones? Or are you guys still using Nokia 5200s?
3. Xbox Live is buggy as hell. I download a game through Xbox Live and it says I need to connect my phone to my computer or connect to wifi (It was already both) in order to complete the install. There is no easy way to check the progress of the installation of download unless I try to download another application. Is the ability to check the progress without downloading another app hidden somewhere? If so, why is it hidden?
4. When I try to visit a previous webpage and I press the hardware backwards arrow botton, it kicks me out of IE.
5. The hardware buttons have great sensitivity, but I am constantly pressing them by accident (with my palm), thus closing my active program unintentionally.
And let me tell you, I do not have large hands.
6. I dunno why it doesnt work as a USB drive natively. Perhaps this is some sort of piracy control measure or you are trying to mimic apple.
7. Cant copy and paste. I dunno why this is so hard for you guys. You guys could have some sort of hardware button, that when pushed activates a 2nd function to the screen pressing. Instead of clicking on a link, if the hardware button is pressed, it would allow the user to select the letters and highlight them. Then copy/paste somewhere else.
8. I cannot delete/hide my recently browsed youtube video history. I was looking at videos of girls shaking their butts and afterwards when I went to my zune application, I saw the video thumbnails there! I cant delete or hide them? Where is the privacy?
9. Doesnt support Divx codecs, which it should because this is a phone for a "mobile life style". Why would I want to sit at my computer for hrs waiting for my videos to convert? Why do you guys and apple insist on your own proprietary formats?
Sub-Score: -9
Pros:
1. Works fast, very smooth. Is this a result of the reduced interface .
2. Web browsing is pretty good, except I cant fast forward through youtube videos by sliding my finger on the time bar.
Sub-Score: +2
Total Score: -7
I do not believe this phone is beyond saving. Surely you guys must have noticed some of the things I mentioned. Why you did not remedy these issues before the release? I do not know. If you guys were unaware of the problems I mentioned, well now you know. Please fix these issues soon and FFS, please add a proper address book application and allow me to use my finger/time bar to seek through a video/song/youtube vid.
Currently, I would have to say this phone is nothing more than a portable media player with some phone functions built in. And you guys already screwed up with the media player part.
If I could go back in time (which was only yesterday) I would have bought a HTC Desire HD. But I cant so I can only pray that you guys fix some/most of these issues.
If I am sorely mistaken and some of these functions actually are included and hidden somewhere, why are they not intuitive?
Thanks.....for nothing.....
I always liked the N95 symbian address book that allowed me to create groups for my contacts and I liked all WM previous phone dialers which would cross reference all incoming and outgoing calls with the numbers I was pressing.
Microsoft should atleast make a dialer thats as good as their previous ones, and maybe learn a thing or 2 from Symbian.
Edit: I just read that it was possible to cut down the number of contacts from facebook that appear in your phone, but it still should not be this difficult. I should be able to simple long press the contact and select delete or hide.
Nice One Star thread repeating issues in about 20 other threads
One thing I'd like to agree with the OP about is the Capacitive buttons. They're a good idea in theory (the Vibrant has them as well), but they're practically terrible. They are very prone to hitting by accident.
Lots of OSes can learn from Symbian, but being the Jack of All Trades has not worked for any OS to date. Windows Mobile also supported a ton of stuff and it's marketshare in the US suffered a lot. Symbian has great marketshare overseas because the OS is used in low-end feature phones as well. They aren't strong in the mid-high end smartphone market.
And they would be, if they didn't put such small NANDs in the phones, skimp on the RAM in the phones (it uses a Virtual memory architechture, but the phones still need at least 348 MB RAM, IMO), and have such an embarassing user interface. I really like that it has the most flexible development environment of any smartphone OS, though (similar to [again] Windows Mobile on that front).
Blazerfan722 said:
Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
Before I begin my rant, please allow me to say that I have used many many many PDA phones. And WP7 has without a doubt, some of the most GLARING problems I have ever seen in a mobile OS.
My phone history (in no [particular order]:
-T-mobile Pocket PC (the 1st one)
- SE P800, P900, P910I
- Xperia X1
- Many different WM 5.0, 6.0 6.5 phones (maybe 10 or more). If I were to list them all this would take all day. My most recent WM phone before this HD7 was the HTC TyTN II.
- Nokia N93i, N95, N900 (still got it)
- Nokia Communicators 9210 and E90
- Iphone 1st Gen
- Kyocera Palm OS phone
- Probably other stuff I forgot about along the way.
(Btw, all of these phones had address books which worked great)
I am in no way saying that I am some PDA expert, but I think its safe to say I've used alot of PDAs.
Good afternoon. I really hope somebody from Microsoft or Steve himself or some MS dev is reading this.
I recently bought a HTC HD7 and after using it for 1hr my initial impressions were very good....THEN i used it a bit longer and I started to realize something.
Cons:
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
2. The WP7's media playerss seek function needs to work like a STANDARD portable TOUCH SCREEN media player. Why am I not able skip to the part of the video I want to watch by simply sliding my finger along the time bar until I reach my target moment? Why am I forced to press a seek button instead? I thought this was a touch screen phone, not to mention the fact that Pocket PC, Pocket PC 2003, WM 5.0 WM 6.0 WM 6.5 all included this missing function. Do you guys even watch movies on your cell phones? Or are you guys still using Nokia 5200s?
3. Xbox Live is buggy as hell. I download a game through Xbox Live and it says I need to connect my phone to my computer or connect to wifi (It was already both) in order to complete the install. There is no easy way to check the progress of the installation of download unless I try to download another application. Is the ability to check the progress without downloading another app hidden somewhere? If so, why is it hidden?
4. When I try to visit a previous webpage and I press the hardware backwards arrow botton, it kicks me out of IE.
5. The hardware buttons have great sensitivity, but I am constantly pressing them by accident (with my palm), thus closing my active program unintentionally.
And let me tell you, I do not have large hands.
6. I dunno why it doesnt work as a USB drive natively. Perhaps this is some sort of piracy control measure or you are trying to mimic apple.
7. Cant copy and paste. I dunno why this is so hard for you guys. You guys could have some sort of hardware button, that when pushed activates a 2nd function to the screen pressing. Instead of clicking on a link, if the hardware button is pressed, it would allow the user to select the letters and highlight them. Then copy/paste somewhere else.
8. I cannot delete/hide my recently browsed youtube video history. I was looking at videos of girls shaking their butts and afterwards when I went to my zune application, I saw the video thumbnails there! I cant delete or hide them? Where is the privacy?
9. Doesnt support Divx codecs, which it should because this is a phone for a "mobile life style". Why would I want to sit at my computer for hrs waiting for my videos to convert? Why do you guys and apple insist on your own proprietary formats?
Sub-Score: -9
Pros:
1. Works fast, very smooth. Is this a result of the reduced interface .
2. Web browsing is pretty good, except I cant fast forward through youtube videos by sliding my finger on the time bar.
Sub-Score: +2
Total Score: -7
I do not believe this phone is beyond saving. Surely you guys must have noticed some of the things I mentioned. Why you did not remedy these issues before the release? I do not know. If you guys were unaware of the problems I mentioned, well now you know. Please fix these issues soon and FFS, please add a proper address book application and allow me to use my finger/time bar to seek through a video/song/youtube vid.
Currently, I would have to say this phone is nothing more than a portable media player with some phone functions built in. And you guys already screwed up with the media player part.
If I could go back in time (which was only yesterday) I would have bought a HTC Desire HD. But I cant so I can only pray that you guys fix some/most of these issues.
If I am sorely mistaken and some of these functions actually are included and hidden somewhere, why are they not intuitive?
Thanks.....for nothing.....
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1. There's a separate Facebook app in the marketplace. If you don't want to integrate everyone, get it.
2. Agree on this point.
3. Never happened to me. If you want to see the progress stay on that page. A little bar begins to fill up. So I don't know what you're talking about.
4. Only time that happens to me is when I exit IE and then try to come back in.
5. Sorry, but that's user error.
6. There's already a workaround. You can use it as a mass storage device.
7. Its coming in the update. Why is that so hard to get?
8. Don't browse inappropriate videos? Or play a few more things after to make it replace the history items.
9. Kinda agree, but its not unheard of at all. So why would they do it?
EDIT: Poster above was more succint.
The problem isn't DivX as far as I understand, it's avi. Divx is just an implementation of MPEG-4 Part 2 Advanced Simple Profile, which is supported. And the strange part here is that avi is Microsoft's own proprietary format, while mp4 is Apple's. Strange times.
Scrubbing is needed not only for long videos, I use it all the time for YouTube and music (especially podcasts, many of which aren't properly separated into chapters).
WOW, only the 20th "I hate WP7" thread for today so far? Hmmm, the trolls are slacking.
eternalemb said:
1. There's a separate Facebook app in the marketplace. If you don't want to integrate everyone, get it.
2. Agree on this point.
3. Never happened to me. If you want to see the progress stay on that page. A little bar begins to fill up. So I don't know what you're talking about.
4. Only time that happens to me is when I exit IE and then try to come back in.
5. Sorry, but that's user error.
6. There's already a workaround. You can use it as a mass storage device.
7. Its coming in the update. Why is that so hard to get?
8. Don't browse inappropriate videos? Or play a few more things after to make it replace the history items.
9. Kinda agree, but its not unheard of at all. So why would they do it?
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He got the phone. It has many limitations he doesn't like.
So what's your problem?
"Coming in the update" means nothing. It may be month or 5 months.
Nobody buys a device to wait for update, well, maybe only tech geeks, but that's not the phone for them.
doministry said:
He got the phone. It has many limitations he doesn't like.
So what's your problem?
"Coming in the update" means nothing. It may be month or 5 months.
Nobody buys a device to wait for update, well, maybe only tech geeks, but that's not the phone for them.
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And he, like everyone else who bought one, should've known the deficiencies the devices carry atm. So, what's your problem?
You don't like the features a phone has or is lacking, you don't buy it. Simple, no?
And the update is expected in January.
f1restarter said:
WOW, only the 20th "I hate WP7" thread for today so far? Hmmm, the trolls are slacking.
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No, no, I'm watching ....
Blazerfan722 said:
Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
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You do know that you can disable Facebook friends as contacts in the settings, don't you?
CR1M1N4L said:
You do know that you can disable Facebook friends as contacts in the settings, don't you?
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People these days expect the phone to pop up push messages from the microsoft servers for days after they buy it detailing every single detail of the device.
Reading, Reading Comprehension, Critical Thinking... These sorts of things are out the window these days.
N8ter said:
People these days expect the phone to pop up push messages from the microsoft servers for days after they buy it detailing every single detail of the device.
Reading, Reading Comprehension, Critical Thinking... These sorts of things are out the window these days.
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Bet your house on that. Our society is getting dumber, lazier and more malleable by the minute. Though I digress...
LOL... This guy's not a troll!
He's genuinely disappointed with his purchase and has every right to complain about it. If you WP7 sympathisers were honest with yourselves, you would recognise that there are currently plenty of problems with this platform, and disaffected users have every right to complain.
There's no point pretending the problems don't exist.. it's obvious they, perhaps you only ever read Microsoft blogs and listen to Channel 9. If you want a true indication about how many users are feeling, just read the Microsoft questions and answers forum.
Guys,
This is still a new OS, it's been out for ONE month, many of these things gonna be replaced or added with updates. Just wait and see. The most important thing now is that's a fast and simple OS. Just remember what ****ty phone iPhone was, look what it became now... Time does miracles!
Alright guys, I'm leaving this open thread to know the answer, if it occurs.
And also for others to vent, but we will maintain an acceptable level before they start fighting funboys because of companies.
AceofSpades25 said:
LOL... This guy's not a troll!
He's genuinely disappointed with his purchase and has every right to complain about it. If you WP7 sympathisers were honest with yourselves, you would recognise that there are currently plenty of problems with this platform, and disaffected users have every right to complain.
There's no point pretending the problems don't exist.. it's obvious they, perhaps you only ever read Microsoft blogs and listen to Channel 9. If you want a true indication about how many users are feeling, just read the Microsoft questions and answers forum.
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Agreed,
Unfortunately I have the feeling that most people here now refuse to see the obvious problems with this platform (no USB, no DivX, and so many others...)
Seems like there is no right to judge and criticize the OS.
We shall not become like the iPhone fanboys. Seriously.
I also think that WP7 is a truly disappointing experience as I don't like to be forced to use all these external MS services (Zune, Skydrive, Marketplace, etc...) that just make me waste my time.
And I expect nothing from the so-called January update.
I love threads like this. Keep em coming lol jk. But man the pole jockers in here have fits when anyone say something about wp7. I dont know what everyones country rules are. But mine is freedom of speech. So if the dont like what the guy or troll have to say, dont feed him. Case Closed.
To the OP, I suggest you spill your mind on these boards http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads
At least it gets some exposure for Microsoft.
lqaddict said:
To the OP, I suggest you spill your mind on these boards http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads
At least it gets some exposure for Microsoft.
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Good tip, if OP find interesting; closure here, and this link is for future users to enjoy!
Thanks!
1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D
I just want mine to have a bitten apple behind, and keep this sexy UI, so we could have updates
The best of both worlds
B3nGz said:
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
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LG Quantum
Physical home button.
At first it was a bit of a disappointment, but after reading issues like the one you detailed, I'm glad for it.
how about smartdial?
don't u guys use it?
B3nGz said:
1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D
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1/. Coming in NoDo, whenever the hell that is. Well documented, read about it.
2/. Do you stare at your phone? I never understood this
3/. People work hard to make their tiles. It's actually up to them to give that option anyway, not MS. Case in point, Pin to Start.
4/. While you can't do it without dev-unlocking, can be done easily with TouchXplorer
5/.Agreed, but that's not MS's fault either. Blame OEMs
6/. Apparently it's a feature, an annoying one, but a feature none-the-less.
7/. The HD7 has dual LED flashlights.
8/. What game is $10.99?
9/. Bing search is more accurate than Google search because it uses Google search and other algorithims.
10/. A to B
11/. Mango update whenever that is. Also well documented.
12/. Whenever that app happens, it happens. Maybe you can code it for us?
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!
lekki said:
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!
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Well, we knew this kid (YouTube) was bound to grow up sometime. I'm just glad he's asking for phone features instead of killing people.
lekki said:
1/. Coming in NoDo, whenever the hell that is. Well documented, read about it.
2/. Do you stare at your phone? I never understood this
3/. People work hard to make their tiles. It's actually up to them to give that option anyway, not MS. Case in point, Pin to Start.
4/. While you can't do it without dev-unlocking, can be done easily with TouchXplorer
5/.Agreed, but that's not MS's fault either. Blame OEMs
6/. Apparently it's a feature, an annoying one, but a feature none-the-less.
7/. The HD7 has dual LED flashlights.
8/. What game is $10.99?
9/. Bing search is more accurate than Google search because it uses Google search and other algorithims.
10/. A to B
11/. Mango update whenever that is. Also well documented.
12/. Whenever that app happens, it happens. Maybe you can code it for us?
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!
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Not sure, but apps are definitely more expensive on wp7 compared to Android/iOS. Even the same exact app. Hopefully this will change when there is more competition.
B3nGz said:
1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D
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You basically just described Android
I have a T-Mobile Samsung Vibrant, wanna Trade?
B3nGz said:
1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D
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I so know what you mean about points 11 and 13. Games are so slow to load and have terrible resume function. If I get an email when playing a game, I dare not try and read it until I am finished gaming. So annoying.
The rest for me is not so important though I just dont get the custom ringtone thing.
Bleak Morn said:
Well, we knew this kid (YouTube) was bound to grow up sometime. I'm just glad he's asking for phone features instead of killing people.
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is this even real?
lekki said:
1/. i read it long ago.. waiting for it.
2/. its packaging, ppl dun stare at boxes, but they just buy nice boxes.
3/. Pin to start; i wanna change zune tiles.
4/. i dont want to modify any of my stock OS, just want it to be a feature.
5/. U trying to push the blame from candy to the sweets. they goes hand in hand.
6/. yes very annoying.
7/. Flash light to shine on anything else other than taking picture.. which part u dun understand?
8) alot of app and games is $10.99 , (i love katamari, castlevania puzzle, puzzle quest, guitar hero, the harvest... many others) u dont shop on market place? or are u too rich to notice the price?
9/. bing doesnt gives me wat i want, google does. 100% of the time.
10/. A to B applies only in certain country. how about other countries?
11/. Its not here yet. so it did not happen and its not in my phone yet!
12/. i would like to code if i can. but its M$ job to give customers satisfaction. not my job. and i really respect forum chefs and coders.
13/. my 3 year old kids will learnt how not to get excited. their fingers are just too short!
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i am not shooting on any body on anything.
its just a list of wat i want in a phone. even if it dun happens, its ok. its just a wish list bro
dun get too upset just like a WP7 FB.
lekki said:
5/.Agreed, but that's not MS's fault either. Blame OEMs
10/. A to B
11/. Mango update whenever that is. Also well documented.
12/. Whenever that app happens, it happens. Maybe you can code it for us?
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!
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5.I think MS can do that since WP7 are take control everything in the hardware..
ex. Battery charger.. you can't charge WP7 device if the OS is not running right ?
10.A to B using Bing map for navigation, and it useless when you live in other country. (I live in Thailand and Bing map is many suck for sure.)
11.It must wait too long since wee see they made it already.
12.With no multitasking, It's useless to release the screen capture app because we can't run this app in the background and use shortcut to make it capture right ?
(With this thing, I will already said we have wait too long.)
13.Why ? we have playing game for... ?? Entertainment right.... ?
B3nGz said:
i am not shooting on any body on anything.
its just a list of wat i want in a phone. even if it dun happens, its ok. its just a wish list bro
dun get too upset just like a WP7 FB.
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Where do you live that A to B isn't good enough?
And you have a HTC phone right? Get the damn flashlight app. It's pinned to my start screen so I can see where my dogs **** at night!!!
Are you in America? Because in America, there are no games for $10.99. Not one.
If you're in Australia or somewhere else, I can't speak for you, but where I live and where it is automatically assumed you are from unless you state so on this forum, is America.
Perlnx said:
5.I think MS can do that since WP7 are take control everything in the hardware..
ex. Battery charger.. you can't charge WP7 device if the OS is not running right ?
10.A to B using Bing map for navigation, and it useless when you live in other country. (I live in Thailand and Bing map is many suck for sure.)
11.It must wait too long since wee see they made it already.
12.With no multitasking, It's useless to release the screen capture app because we can't run this app in the background and use shortcut to make it capture right ?
(With this thing, I will already said we have wait too long.)
13.Why ? we have playing game for... ?? Entertainment right.... ?
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A to B does not use Bing maps dude. I used A to B successfully in Germany when Bing Maps wouldn't work.
MS have minimum specs for hardware specs. The quality of the sensor is up to the OEM. MS can't do a damn thing about that without pissing off the OEM.
Saying we play games for entertainment isn't an excuse. That's like button-mashing on a console game and saying I was too excited so skill went out the door. Using the game controls while excited is also a skill.
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is this even real?
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I think you're confusing that video with "David Goes to the Dentist".
lekki said:
A to B does not use Bing maps dude. I used A to B successfully in Germany when Bing Maps wouldn't work.
MS have minimum specs for hardware specs. The quality of the sensor is up to the OEM. MS can't do a damn thing about that without pissing off the OEM.
Saying we play games for entertainment isn't an excuse. That's like button-mashing on a console game and saying I was too excited so skill went out the door. Using the game controls while excited is also a skill.
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ok thanks. u are very knowledgeable and the rest of us are idiots. maybe just me.
*suddenly everyone on the net seems to be a professional*
and the things i want on my phone sounds so lame after your post.
=( sorry my bad.
RE
tethering ???
B3nGz said:
1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D
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Excellent list of wants! You won't get 'em. Well...at least not all of them...for a very long time. You'll likely be tired of your WP7 device long before you see the majority of those items and be looking at moving on to something new.
But hey! If you do hang on long enough, you'll get the majority of them.
lekki said:
1/. Coming in NoDo, whenever the hell that is. Well documented, read about it.
2/. Do you stare at your phone? I never understood this
3/. People work hard to make their tiles. It's actually up to them to give that option anyway, not MS. Case in point, Pin to Start.
4/. While you can't do it without dev-unlocking, can be done easily with TouchXplorer
5/.Agreed, but that's not MS's fault either. Blame OEMs
6/. Apparently it's a feature, an annoying one, but a feature none-the-less.
7/. The HD7 has dual LED flashlights.
8/. What game is $10.99?
9/. Bing search is more accurate than Google search because it uses Google search and other algorithims.
10/. A to B
11/. Mango update whenever that is. Also well documented.
12/. Whenever that app happens, it happens. Maybe you can code it for us?
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!
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Damn, it seems like you would settle for anything microsoft gave you, and then just make up excuses even if some of these things actually would make the OS better.
2. I don't see the problem with letting someone change the background. Both iOS and Android have this function.
3. It's interesting that he mentioned that some of the stock tiles look bad. Today, I showed my friend (who's a girl) a windows phone for the first time, and her immediate reaction was that the tiles were ugly. Unfortunately, like iOS, I doubt this function will come anytime soon without "unlocking" the phone.
6. I just have to say, that this so-called feature is really annoying. I really hope they change it. Or allow us to turn it off.
8. While I don't think most games are 10.99, I believe he was making a point (and a correct one) that prices in general are much higher compared to iOS and Android. Fortunately, prices should slowly decrease once the app number increases, more developers creating games with increasing quality, and with more people realizing how refreshing WP7 is.
9. Honestly, I don't have much experience comparing Bing and Google search, but even iOS lets you change their search engines (Bing, Google and Yahoo). I'm not sure if you can on Android... anyone know?
10. Do you really not want turn-by-turn gps? Or voice directions? Those were the things I LOVED about Android. Google maps is genius. Bing maps is good, but it could be so better if it has these functions. Oh, and allow voice searching for maps. (Edit: I actually tried A-to-B... that application is pretty bad. It's slow and looks pretty unprofessional. But hey, it's free)
13. I'm really surprised more people in general don't want physical buttons. I'm a big fan of the single, depressed button that Apple uses. It allows the phone to stay flat and still not by hypersensitive to accidental brushes of the finger. I'd like to think that older people (maybe >40 years old) would be more receptive to these new OSs if more phones had physical buttons (not necessary just one). But that's just me hypothesizing.
Since we have plenty of YouTube app alternatives in the marketplace now, I was just curious to see which one people preferred the most. Personally I really love LazyTube because I'm sort of a power user on YouTube myself.
As a Focus user, Supertube is my go to.
i dont use youtube on my phone...
ill stick with msn video and ustream
HTC YouTube Supports Account Login, comes from a company I'm certain will support it, supports HQ streaming, and is free.
So yea... I prefer that until Microsoft gets their better YouTube client out the door.
I use the HTC app both on my Focus and Arrive.
supertube supports account login now...I like my supertube
but where would I find the HTC youtube app for my focus
forgive my ignorance
Yeah I know SuperTube and HTC have login support, but the way subscriptions work on LazyWorm are better than those imo. In the HTC app all of my subscription videos show up out of order and there's no way to sort them by most recent.
TOA Duck said:
supertube supports account login now...I like my supertube
but where would I find the HTC youtube app for my focus
forgive my ignorance
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You can only get the HTC YouTube app if you have developer unlocked your phone either officially as a developer or with the ChevronWP7 hack. It will only work if you have a firmware before NoDo. If you want to know how to jailbreak, you can go here for the beginners' guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=938106
I'm not such a YouTube power user that I care that much about subscriptions or how they're sorted, and if that meant that much for me I'd just use my Vibrant. I carry it and my HD7 everywhere with me, anyways...
And even if I'd cut it off, I could still use it sort of like an iPod touch over WiFi
I don't see a point in paying for something like that, and I've already been burned by Board Express (Terrible Performance, etc.) and Birdsong (still haven't added a Live Tile, etc.). Don't think I'll ever buy another mobile app again, Lol.
I have an Omnia 7 so no HTC app for me. I like both SuperTube and Lazyworm but the latter is the better one overall (downloads are pointless as far as I'm concerned so no need for that). Lazyworm supports likes and HQ over 3G and links to the Zune hub, that's pretty cool.
One thing I will say though: the Lazyworm icon is damn ugly, specially when pinned to your main screen. It's like it was made by/for a kid and is in total contrast to the SuperTube icon which looks very nice.
Anyway, like someone else said I wish Microsoft could release a proper app already.
I couldn't care less about being able to log into my account on a Youtube app, but I what I have seem to work for different situations:
I have SuperTube for the HD videos (the quality on small screen is amazing), and for downloading some videos to watch on the commute.
I have RealTube for good streaming on 3G, and for other sites with video.
I use the LazyWord Youtube app just because the new version looks so pretty, and the UI is very well thought out.
I sideloaded the HTC 2.0 Youtube just to see what it's all about, and it is pretty good, but not my standard go to Youtube app.
And of course, the Youtube "enabler" from Microsoft.
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One thing I will say though: the Lazyworm icon is damn ugly, specially when pinned to your main screen.
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This I totally agree. The Lazyworm icon is really terrible .
Hope they can change it.
It's the only downside I find. I hope we can have a more sober icon, just the YouTube logo would be perfect (why this worm ? Why this brown color ? ).
Otherwise the UI of LazyWorm is very nice and it's my favorite YouTube app at the moment.
I really don't use the download function so SuperTube is ok but not so useful to me.
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This I totally agree. The Lazyworm icon is really terrible .
Hope they can change it.
It's the only downside I find. I hope we can have a more sober icon, just the YouTube logo would be perfect (why this worm ? Why this brown color ? ).
Otherwise the UI of LazyWorm is very nice and it's my favorite YouTube app at the moment.
I really don't use the download function so SuperTube is ok but not so useful to me.
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After people requested a new icon, they came up with that for the next release:
http://twitpic.com/4h688o
I know what you're thinking: What The F...?!
Currently just using the HTC Youtube app, or just via IE if I wanna find videos from users i subscribe to, might check out SuperTube.
Aww where is the love xda... sitting in last place !
Seriously though, great poll and it's very interesting seeing where we are falling short. We are in for the long haul and plan to continually improve on what we have so getting constructive feedback like this is EXACTLY what we are after.
I'm curious as to why people prefer the HTC app over our solution considering our free version supports more features and many have said sports a superior interface / experience?
We have been receiving several comments, suggestions and feedback from our users via ratings, emails, facebook and twitter. We will be releasing 2.1 very soon which should hopefully address some of these issues and include some awesome new features (so please stay tuned).
Thanks to those who are voting for us and for those who didn't we will strive to win you over next time!
Finally, I'll leave you guys to comment on our YouTube 2.1 (free) & LazyTube 2.1 (99c) tile icon concepts attached
Thank you for contributing to the thread. I'll go straight to the only 2 things I don't like about your app:
- I would like an option in settings to pick the light or dark theme independently of my actual phone theme.
- Your icon is too childish, sorry I can't find another way to put it. Smartphones are for adults and the cute worm doesn't cut it I'm afraid. I'd like something that looks good and cool like when SuperTube redesigned their icon. Even just the word Youtube with nothing else would be better.
Great work otherwise, I love the app and appreciate the fact that it remains free with no ads.
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Hello,
Thank you for the feedback.
No offence, but sorry I really dont' like the current icon and the ones you suggest above.
I totally understand that you would like to keep the worm since it is a symbol of LazyWorm, and therefore a part of your identity.... But unfortunately it is not very beautiful and not very sober, so it ruins the beauty of the icon.
I do adore Lazyworm and it's the only negative point I find. I am not very happy when I have to stick the live tile on my start screen
I hope you will not feel offended by my comment, it is not my purpose.
You can only get the HTC YouTube app if you have developer unlocked your phone either officially as a developer or with the ChevronWP7 hack. It will only work if you have a firmware before NoDo. If you want to know how to jailbreak, you can go here for the beginners' guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=938106
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Thanks for your reply, but my question was how can I find the HTC Youtube app, not how to unlock my phone, LOL. I would have asked that question first if thats what I wanted. No offense. Ive searched the forums but may have missed it. can someone else help me out
I use LazyWorm and HTC YouTube. Even tough I prefer LazyWorm, which has a great UI, quality, speed and smoothness, I sometimes just want to know what's new on YouTube that comes from Germany. HTC YouTube supports regions, LazyWorm sadly doesn't.
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Even just the word Youtube with nothing else would be better.
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Yes, I agree. The same icon without the worm would be really better, or a simple YouTube logo (maybe replacing 'You' by 'Lazy')...
Also, if LazyWorm could supports regions, like HTC YouTube does, it would be cool indeed.
I like it.. Keep up the good work. Dont listen to these fools. Thats your logo. Stand by it.