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Hi I want to start this post so everyone can post their experience with the new 720 Recording Feature on the HTC Desire!
Please post Like this:
Video
Description
Problems
FPS
Rom used
I'll start:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxxPdPd8ea4
Description:
Me being very concentrated while playing the Drums... new song Bad Lighting hard sound situation (way too loud for this little Phone ) so worst case
Problems:
I see constant drops in FPS, or more likely a stuttering ever few seconds video playback just kida stops, audio is fine though! I did not have this Problems with other Roms so I think its not my SD card acting up?
FPS: 5-11 not very constant at all, although lighting was very constant (although very bad)
ROM used: LeeDroid 7.1b
Before official update:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugjI5ygsXzQ
Average/good lighting
20fps
Can't remember the rom, I think MCR v5, it was before the official update.
Not a lot of stuttering that I can notice, but the lens cover was a bit smudged and so the video came out a bit opaque.
After the update:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6KuPCn6_2M [quality should improve in a bit]
Probably a tad better lighting conditions
23fps
ieftm semi-stock rom
This is the best sample of three, one was ok, but the last one was stuttering quite a bit, as I think some background program was accessing the sd card heavily. Also lens here was a bit dirty
by the way, youtube quality doesn't render properly, linking videos should be better.
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by the way, youtube quality doesn't render properly, linking videos should be better.
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Did not know that, your Video looks very pixelated... Is that because its on Youtube? I will edit main thread thx
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Did not know that, your Video looks very pixelated... Is that because its on Youtube? I will edit main thread thx
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No, I think it was me that turned contrast a bit too high and the fact that without optical zoom or camera lens optics you can get lose details in the distance on such high resolution
I gave up 720p, it is not good. Jumpy, low fps and especially ****ty voice quality.
I use 480p, but it is also not good, not too jumpy ... still ****ty voice quality.
I have 2.2 rom from here and 720p keeps freezing every few seconds.
720p is ok for me. Is it possible that its to do with the internal memory available? I have 60mb or more free, I know some people are down to low numbers. my card is a class2 too. I think the clips look better played on the PC in VLC lpayer than when I upload them to youtube. I think youtube might be introducing some of the negative aspects seen... maybe?
finnschi said:
I'll start:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxxPdPd8ea4
Description: Me being very concentrated while playing the Drums...
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Please please please... Can we please take advantage of the user interface of the XDA site?
For six months XDA has now supported YouTube embeds -- You can even see the icon in the COMPOSE screens -- though admittedly they don't tell you how to use it very easily.
BEHOLD! It's your video, and I don't have to click a new tab to see it. Magic!
Format for YouTube Embeds:
(remove spaces)
[ youtube ]just-the-video-letter/numbers[ /youtube ]
From your video above, the part that goes in between the [ youtube ] brackets follows v= NxxPdPd8ea4
Please, could you edit your first post to include the instructions. It has taken years to get XDA to embrace video. Now that they have, please support svetius, the User Experience designer of the new site, and use the tools. That's why they're here. Thank you.
P.S. -- is this jamming to the old WHO classic I CAN SEE FOR MILES ? -- just curious... in the event it is because Roger Daltrey still tours this very summer playing it -- and a friend of mine, a session guitarist in L.A., does Townsend's parts. ... Me, waiting for the answer:
"Dude, who are The Who?"
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P.S.S. Is this not the coolest thing? DUDE! Your bio here at XDA!
Occupation:
R&D at Apple Inc.
Working at Apple research... hating the iPhone
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I gotta applaud you. I have used Apple products for 25 years. And I currently use primarily Mac computers, but I also use Windows machines. Very agnostic. But I have never used the iphone, especially since Apple was nowhere in sight when I started with touchscreen smartphones 5 or 6 years ago (but I salute the Newton!)... But I'm a usability designer, so i consider myself fair. And even though I have wanted my Desire to match or exceed the 720p capability of iphone4 -- i was at the Apple store a few weeks ago getting my damp MBP repaired for 3rd time and played with the iP4 -- and the 720p recording is pretty damn good. ... Lastly -- are you familiar with the various TEST PROJECTS that have been going on here since the Nexus One to optimize 720p in this HTC class of phones? If not, search... There are a whole bunch of serious collaborative engineering projects here, and as always XDA-devs work miracles -- so I'm not giving up hope yet. We may smash that iphone yet in recoding quality -- though I doubt it... I am told it records 30fps and no matter what backflips are done here, thru Froyo or other enhancements, we can't get this hardware to meet or exceed that. Is that true?
720p is crap, its just upscale from lover res., dont use it.
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The data rate of 720p is over 4 times greater than 800x480. 6000kb/sec versus 1200kb/sec. It's not purely upscaled at all. I made two sample videos of a page of text and compared.
There was ALOT more detail in the 720p video. Even when I zoomed up the 800x480 one. I agree it's not as good as "true 720 HD" but its certainly not 100% upscaled.
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The data rate of 720p is over 4 times greater than 800x480. 6000kb/sec versus 1200kb/sec. It's not purely upscaled at all. I made two sample videos of a page of text and compared.
There was ALOT more detail in the 720p video. Even when I zoomed up the 800x480 one. I agree it's not as good as "true 720 HD" but its certainly not 100% upscaled.
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1200:6000 it's 5 times more. Yes it's not true 720 hd, but I can perfectly live with that quality if we get a couple of fps more
I've taken two short videos of a label, took screenshots from video player, cropped them, resized the 480 to fit the same size as the 720 one. It's very blurry compared to the normal 720p. See the hour in the fake pda, you can't read it in the upscaled one.
Video upscalers tend to do a better job than a simple photo resize and they do introduce more data leading to a larger file size. The disire may truly just upscale the video after all. In any case, its a shame that video capture on this device is as poor as it is. I dislike Apple and their iphone, but i'll give them this; all aspects of the software work very well from go and if not, a fix/upgrade is provided in a reasonably short time.
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Video upscalers tend to do a better job than a simple photo resize and they do introduce more data leading to a larger file size. The disire may truly just upscale the video after all. In any case, its a shame that video capture on this device is as poor as it is. I dislike Apple and their iphone, but i'll give them this; all aspects of the software work very well from go and if not, a fix/upgrade is provided in a reasonably short time.
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Given the current state of their last shiny toy, I think it's a bit funny to say so.
Anyway, I've done some more tests and I can take the screen captured from a 480 video and upscale it with any tool with best quality or other algorythms and you always end up with a lot less detail than 720p, especially when there is a lot of light (unlike that test above). I don't think the desire has the processing power to do a better upscale than what I'm trying and while there might be a bit of upscaling given you have a tiny lens, it's not all there.
Also any tiny lens without zoom is pointless when taking videos from the distance anyway.
I can only get 15-16 fps... anyone can do higher?
I can easily get 25 average, outside in. good lighting, with a class 6 sd
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P.S. -- is this jamming to the old WHO classic I CAN SEE FOR MILES ? -- just curious... in the event it is because Roger Daltrey still tours this very summer playing it -- and a friend of mine, a session guitarist in L.A., does Townsend's parts. ...
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No its our own song, although i can see how the beginning sounds kinda like the Who
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I gotta applaud you. I have used Apple products for 25 years. And I currently use primarily Mac computers, but I also use Windows machines. Very agnostic. But I have never used the iphone, especially since Apple was nowhere in sight when I started with touchscreen smartphones 5 or 6 years ago (but I salute the Newton!)... But I'm a usability designer, so i consider myself fair. And even though I have wanted my Desire to match or exceed the 720p capability of iphone4 -- i was at the Apple store a few weeks ago getting my damp MBP repaired for 3rd time and played with the iP4 -- and the 720p recording is pretty damn good. ... Lastly -- are you familiar with the various TEST PROJECTS that have been going on here since the Nexus One to optimize 720p in this HTC class of phones? If not, search... There are a whole bunch of serious collaborative engineering projects here, and as always XDA-devs work miracles -- so I'm not giving up hope yet. We may smash that iphone yet in recoding quality -- though I doubt it... I am told it records 30fps and no matter what backflips are done here, thru Froyo or other enhancements, we can't get this hardware to meet or exceed that. Is that true?
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I talked to some iPhone engineers about how the iPhone can archive 30Fps ... its because all the decoding of pictures delivered by the camera is handled by the GPU... for Android its all done on the CPU! so we need to find a way to decode the video stream using the Desires GPU, but I think the iP4's GPU is far better than the Desires... i am a hardware engineer... i am in no way able to code anything like that! What Makes me curios is file size comparison between an iP4 and the Desire.
Also: Desire running a non sense rom (AOSP) just like the Nexus gives much better 720 Quality!!! so I guess its in the software
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I talked to some iPhone engineers about how the iPhone can archive 30Fps ... its because all the decoding of pictures delivered by the camera is handled by the GPU... for Android its all done on the CPU! so we need to find a way to decode the video stream using the Desires GPU, but I think the iP4's GPU is far better than the Desires... i am a hardware engineer... i am in no way able to code anything like that! What Makes me curios is file size comparison between an iP4 and the Desire.
Also: Desire running a non sense rom (AOSP) just like the Nexus gives much better 720 Quality!!! so I guess its in the software
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SInce I am NEITHER a hardware nor software engineer, I am useless here, other than to ask obvious questions. Your apple access to methodology of iP4's video capture is itself useful information -- something that if I were a software engineer working on the various test projects here at XDA, I would want to know. Maybe that's something they could infer, or maybe its published somewhere, or maybe it's one of those "Geez, it's so obvious do i really need to be told that?" points.
That then gets blurred and muddied by the REAL armchair knowitalls (*I* disclose that I know nothing) who pounce on a pronouncement by someone here and say "That's impossible, or that's bullcrap, look here at my image, it proves you wrong, end of story" -- only to often find --- NOT end of story and that person got it wrong.
All i know is -- my experience has told me never presume -- because this site is SO HUGE, it is actually quite often that the right hand doesn't know what left hand is up to.
I wish there were a better means of coordinating the total knowledge holders of XDA site on this 720p issue regarding TOTAL CAPABILITY, software and hardware, so there is 100% collaboration. In the end, there is only one answer: Yes, desire can meet or exceed iphone4 720 p in every measure of resolution, or not.
THE PART I DIDN"T GET:
What Makes me curios is file size comparison between an iP4 and the Desire.
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Which is bigger? what is your initial inference? larger file size = higher rez?
thank you
roufianos cooked a Rom that achieved 29-30 fps but the phone restarted after 50 seconds of recording. Was that due to overheating of the processor? I don't know. His phone gave up spirit and he is waiting for a replacement so the development of his Rom is on pause at the moment.
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I can easily get 25 average, outside in. good lighting, with a class 6 sd
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I've not seen more than 23fps in 720p with great lighting. anyone else? I use a Class2 card so maybe using class 6 is why you get 25fps average?
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I've not seen more than 23fps in 720p with great lighting. anyone else? I use a Class2 card so maybe using class 6 is why you get 25fps average?
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Ive managed 26fps @ 720p with my Desire running official unbranded 2.2. Im using a Class 4 card, so that might help over your Class 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saS39iqjDgs
I just compared the youtube clip to the original on my PC (i scaled the VLC window down to the same size as playing the youtube clip in its 'expanded' size) and there is definatly a small quality difference. The details on the original are noticable finer, so even @ 720p on youtube the bitrate must take a small hit.
Here is a screenshot of the comparison.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9005/720pcomparison.jpg
Hi guys.
I'm new here, so if I put this in the wrong category please correct me.
I got my Desire with the official Froyo update on it, and as many others I'm very disappointed by the 720p video, I get 24-26 fps on a very bright day and sound is horrible.
So I was wondering, are there any roms that gives you 30fps 720p and/or better audio?..
My phone is not rooted, but I will be willing to do it for a better phone experience as I'm very very disappointed..
This is my first Android phone..
Regards Ding0
Bad performance filming in 720p
I agree with you, Froyo is faster but filming in 720p is a disaster Stuttering performance!!!! How could they do this upgrade with no trying!!! Is ther any solution? I thinking to go back to my old HD2. TV programs looking back is still in a smaller view and not better than before...
Just wondering if there are any roms which have greater 720p fps?
Which is the best?
Thanks for answering.
the problem isnt with the roms, its with adreno the gpu! this is all its capable of, untill we find a way to o/c the gpu, its gunna have to do .....
It seems that sense roms are the main offenders when it comes to video stuttering, (not sure about sense HD as there is no camera yet).
OD, MIUI and Defrost all do not stutter for me, and record at about 27 ish FPS in good lighting conditions.
I can confirm that. Switched from LeeDroid to DeFrost and HD video performance was greatly improved!
Is anyone currently trying to figure out a way to overclock the GPU?
I want it too. But I think it is not so easy and safe (class 6 shdc? overheating..)
http://xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769699
OK , I am new here, but this is what I think , where the problem lies.
A bit of background first:
A few months ago, when I got my Desire with factory 2.1 rom, I took some videos, at 800X480 . I have checked them today, they all are at full 25fps (I am in UK) , no juddering and very smooth. here is the interesting bit! the bit rate was an average of 2Mb/s for encoding.
Recently, after upgrading to Froyo, I realized that the video capture is awefull, so like a fool, I got myself, a new 16GB class6 card, tried it again, and same rubbish fps I got.
Then I noticed that now videos are being recorded at around 8Mb/s !!
I believe the higher bitrate recording is where the blame lies. nothing else.
I think, some clever sod, thought lets raise the bitrate to make it easier on the processor, but the extra bitrate, has caused problems elsewhere.
Ken
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kentajalli said:
OK , I am new here, but this is what I think , where the problem lies.
A bit of background first:
A few months ago, when I got my Desire with factory 2.1 rom, I took some videos, at 800X480 . I have checked them today, they all are at full 25fps (I am in UK) , no juddering and very smooth. here is the interesting bit! the bit rate was an average of 2Mb/s for encoding.
Recently, after upgrading to Froyo, I realized that the video capture is awefull, so like a fool, I got myself, a new 16GB class6 card, tried it again, and same rubbish fps I got.
Then I noticed that now videos are being recorded at around 8Mb/s !!
I believe the higher bitrate recording is where the blame lies. nothing else.
I think, some clever sod, thought lets raise the bitrate to make it easier on the processor, but the extra bitrate, has caused problems elsewhere.
Ken
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have you checked the codecs?
what one works best for you? mpeg-4, h.264 or h.263 ?
they are all as bad as each other.
It's because it saves the video to the SD card instead of internal memory and the GPU isn't the best so theyw ill always be jumpy.
But i thought it can do 720p only with 3GP, if it would use H.264 probably will get better result.
It has nothing to do with "saving it on sd card" and its write speed. even a basic class 2 card has enough write speed for proper operation.
My phone, on android 2.1 with a basic card could manage 800x480 @25fps easily, but on Froyo can not do the same, nevermind 720p.
something has gone wrong somewhere with the camera, and I'll doubt if it ever gets fixed.
After all, how else could they push new models with better capabilities, if older medels performed just as well ?
On a different note, for those who are not aware, 3GP is container format, not a codec! just like AVI or MKV are just containers. within these containers you have various components such as video, audio subtitles etc. H263 , H264, Divx etc. are all derivatives of Mpeg4 video codec. To make matters more confusing Mp4 is also a container and not the same as Mpeg4!! Just as Mp3 is not the same as Mpeg3!! ( to my knowledge mpeg3 was abandoned). Just for your information.
I just shot a small video clip today with leedroid, was stunned that 720p was unusable if anything moved in the picture.
Well, didn't have time to think too much about it, so changed to 480, should increase fps, but did not, which means camera is useless if there is any faster than slow movement in the picture.
My old ericsson t650 could do 30 fps nightshots with modified camera driver, so kinda expecting a desire should at least do 30 fps nightshots with 480p
Has there been any update on this, or still waiting for someone to figure out how to hack the camera?
Hi,
I'd like to convert videos directly from my phone.
As I have most of the videos on HQ/HD format, I'm unable to share them with my friends, It'd be great if I find an app to convert the videos in my phone itself.
Though I realize that Converting videos takes a lot of CPU resource, ain't it possible with the 1GHZ humming bird chip?
Why don't you record the video in lower resolution?
video processing are insanely CPU intensive tasks. Even on a Core 2 Duo 2 GHz it still takes a long time to process. Doing that on a single core 1 GHz CPU will take forever.
agree, it doesn't make any sense to do video encoding conversion in the phone itself
the battery will die long before you can finish the conversion.
Now I see, why no one has attempted for it
BTW, I don't need to convert camera videos into low res, but the videos that I already have.
@ Thread Astaire , even for camera videos, I can't go back in time machine and take the video in lower resolution right? And I can't record all the videos in low resolution, just because my friend's phone isn't compatible with that format.
That's why I was looking for a mobile video converter . . . .
Hmmm... Guess it'll take few more years for this to come true...
At that time it wouldn´t be needed
Yeah, just wondering why iPhone 4 is able to do HD video editing with similar hardware. Is there any trick being used on iMovie ?
You know video editing has been done on PCs since the 100-200MHz CPU era right?
Video conversion also. And converting a 5 minute video on the SGS will not take that long as it is probably faster than the PC I had 8-10 years ago. The real problem is the lack for video editing app for Android. Hopefully this will soon change with such powerful hardware emerging lately.
got myself an omnia 7, 8GB UK. so far so lets say i start with 7gb really. 1.31GB is music, 11mb is photos ( thanks skydrive i randomly check to see how much memory ive got left, answer = 2.11GB !!!!!!!! WHAT????? where has all my memory gone??? ah need for speed undercover 200mb, uninstalled now..... perhaps i should also uninstall, the harvest,OMG, max and magic marker, the revenants, twin blades, glow hockey, cliffed and one or two other games.... seriously 8gb really isnt enough for games if they are gonna be that big like need for speed. good thing i only tried them out. though i will be keeping rocket riot thoughts?
They do consume a lot of space but at the same time I would guess that the games have better graphics and maybe a few cut scenes.
Are the graphics really good compared to other phones ? For example Android phones.
unfortunately ive been left unimpressed with the graphics AND performance from WP7 games, the 2d games look good as you will see in twin blades, but the 3d games are disappointing. the exception being "the Harvest" it seems that wp7 may well struggle with 3d games and performance at the same time, for example, the harvest looks great, but its not the quickest gamplay. however more simple games like glow hockey have much simpler graphics but run quick and smoothly my defination of supersmooth is 60fps, 30 fps is reasonable but at 60fps it looks like, (and i hate to say it) its running on an iphone. im hoping this is because developers are not used to wp7 yet. but i doubt it.
the games overall are better but this is what happens when they only had emulators for testing, give it a lil bit of time and we will see some hardcore games coming out. Microsoft game studios has there own gaming division plus there is live integration and live is the best games platform period nothing compares or even comes close. We will see games getting faster smother and better this is a new platform. As for 8gb this was obvious and i dont see how anyone could say they didn't see that coming this is why i avoided the omnia esp as in all other aspects its the best phone. Though tbh i wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't an sd card inside like the hd7.
sadly i didnt see this game business coming and so i bought the omnia i didnt think any games wouldbe over 100mb let alone 200mb! fortunately im quick strick games ill only bother to have really good ones so ill be purchasing rocket riot!
forgot to mention, there is no SD slot in the Omnia 7. it has soldered in nand memory. the only good thing being is that at least its superior and quicker than sd memory but still i would rather have had 16gb verson to choose from. my bad.
all you need is rocket riot.
so goood
don't the photos get converted when uploading to skydrive?
hboos said:
all you need is rocket riot.
so goood
don't the photos get converted when uploading to skydrive?
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No, only if you tell it to resize them. Just like any other photo hosting site (i.e. Photobucket, ImageShack).
Expanded my Focus to 24GB with a 16GB micro sd. Got to say storage is a must if you want to download or store a lot of music.
You don't have to tell me that twice, I wouldn't even be able to fit all my music 8bg, much less games.
Of course. This is obvious. Sorry but I don't understand those who bought a 8GB device.
I like the Omnia 7 a lot for instance, but never I would have paid for 8GB.
It is absolutely impossible to manage if you love games, if you love music & videos.... or even if you install a GPS.
- Firstly, it's not 8GB. The available storage is actually even less
- All your downloaded apps will waste this precious internal storage, especially games.
- Only the sole GPS will waste 10% of the storage
- Zune will require some 'reserved space'
- Skydrive is not an option for music and videos.
How can you give your money to the manufacturers that did not make the efforts to propose you a decent 16GB device?
I guess it really depends on the person. In my Touch HD which also had 8 GB, I never used more than 1GB. I do expect to use more on this phone, but not 8 times as much.
Are you sure Zune isn't reserving a load of space? I've got 23 albums on my phone right now that I downloaded from Zune Marketplace last night, 1.58GB. I've also got 1.59GB of "content from other computers" which I guess must be apps. That's with The Harvest, de Blob, Flowerz, MaTMM, Hexic, OMG, Rocket Riot, Twin Blades, Unite, Xbox Live Extras and 24 other apps installed. Free space is showing up as 3.48GB. I can't figure out where all your space has gone. It seems we have similar stuff but you've got around a GB less than I have left. Very odd.
I only really find 8GB an issue when I'm away and can't sync with the computer for a while. If I can sync a couple of times a week, refreshing the content each time, I'm happy and can manage with 8GB. In some ways it's preferable to high capacity, I've rediscovered a few albums since getting my Trophy because I'm actively looking for music to sync on to the device every few days. With my iPhone I was lazy, the storage capacity was high enough that I could just throw 20GB of albums on there and forget about it for a few months. I've got a music collection that's fast approaching 200GB (it'd be huger but Spotify and now Zune Pass have distracted me from buying for the past 18 months) so that's a lot of albums that were going un-listened to.
I'm so glad that I'm German right now
We've got a 16GB Version of the Omnia, and with that, the best of both worlds.
(On the other side its still at least 10 days till the phone arrives in our stores, so you have something good yourself )
Omnia FTW!
The 8GB storage is a little disappointing compared to what some of the other phones are offering but if you don't really put much music / videos on your phone then it should last.
Phone Titan said:
The 8GB storage is a little disappointing compared to what some of the other phones are offering but if you don't really put much music / videos on your phone then it should last.
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The highlights of WP7 is Zune [music,videos,games] If there is not enough storage available then why should I wast my money on this phone?
If I still have to have a separate media player to play music and videos I will just stick to a cheep Nokia and separate media player.
I was hopping this would be the ideal all in one device for me but the small memory capacity on a few of these phones is holding me back. I will not be parting with my money unless I can get 16 GB minimum.
@agp64: So buy the LG then... there are options right now with 16GB
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don't the photos get converted when uploading to skydrive?
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No, only if you tell it to resize them. Just like any other photo hosting site (i.e. Photobucket, ImageShack).
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Yes, they do get resized (don't remember to what off the top of my head). The only way to get the full version is to email it or sync it with Zune.
agp64 said:
The highlights of WP7 is Zune [music,videos,games] If there is not enough storage available then why should I wast my money on this phone?
If I still have to have a separate media player to play music and videos I will just stick to a cheep Nokia and separate media player.
I was hopping this would be the ideal all in one device for me but the small memory capacity on a few of these phones is holding me back. I will not be parting with my money unless I can get 16 GB minimum.
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You realize you can stream anything through Zune wherever you have service, thus not requiring you to use ANY space at all on your phone for music? Granted that could get pricey depending on your data plan...
wait for better windows 7 phones. Later windows phones are much better, faster and with more storage. The now upcoming devices are too young to be the perfect phones. Even win mobile 6.5.x has more functions(and its easy to get much storage) than a windows phone 7 device.
hi guys,
as the nature of my question will tell u i'm not very technical. so in most basic terms: if i rip a movie at 720p, which is almost always around 5gb, can u copy and play it in one x? why bother doing so? coz we finally may have a screen good enough that's worth the effort
thanx in advance.
Umyd said:
hi guys,
as the nature of my question will tell u i'm not very technical. so in most basic terms: if i rip a movie at 720p, which is almost always around 5gb, can u copy and play it in one x? why bother doing so? coz we finally may have a screen good enough that's worth the effort
thanx in advance.
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you can't copy anything over 4gb because the storage is formatted to the FAT32 standard. Use an application to split the file in half and you'll be able to transfer it across.
Upload it to dropbox and stream it iff u want to save space iff u want to no how to do that let me no
Mod or Die
in order to do that i'll need wifi.
i'm trying to be less bored in my 2hrs+ train journeys.
thats such a pitty. that was the only reason why i'd buy such a phone.
i'll stick with my gs2 for some more years i guess
thanx guys
Umyd said:
in order to do that i'll need wifi.
i'm trying to be less bored in my 2hrs+ train journeys.
thats such a pitty. that was the only reason why i'd buy such a phone.
i'll stick with my gs2 for some more years i guess
thanx guys
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I don't see a difference as the SD card and internal memory of the SGS2 is also formatted in FAT32.
Will it not be possible to have it formatted with EXT4? There is so many custom ROMs coming out now.
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If not that, there probably is an easy way/tool to split MKV into 2 files. I could live with that (but it would be more difficult to use subtitles, for those who need them)
You can use mkvtoolnix to split files.
This is one of the many problems with lacking an external card slot, since in ICS it should be able to take NTFS formatted cards which would alleviate the large file problem and the lack of storage problem (OK, that's mainly only a problem for a minority, I realise that, but that isn't much consolation when you're in that small minority).
Or you could just get the galaxy s3 http://www.beginnerstech.co.uk/samsung-unveil-galaxy-phone-3rd-london/
NZtechfreak said:
You can use mkvtoolnix to split files.
This is one of the many problems with lacking an external card slot, since in ICS it should be able to take NTFS formatted cards which would alleviate the large file problem and the lack of storage problem (OK, that's mainly only a problem for a minority, I realise that, but that isn't much consolation when you're in that small minority).
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I'm thinking more towards apps clashing with NTFS. I know there is basically no difference, I can just copy paste a folder from a FAT32 partition and it will work flawlessly on NTFS, but the app developers might not have optimized whatever it is they need to to fully utilize NTFS, or even supported.
If i were you i would look at your ripping settings, and tweak the quality down so as to sneak in under the 4GB barrier.
I do alot of ripping using handbrake, and my 720p rips are usually around the 2.5GB - 3GB mark, with no discernalbe loss in quality, (dpepending on film length).
I agree that the 4GB limit is an issue, especially when i want to play a 1080p rip i have on my PC, but cant be bothered to re-size for the one X screen.
Lets hope the devs can sort out some ext4 goodness!
ArmedandDangerous said:
I don't see a difference as the SD card and internal memory of the SGS2 is also formatted in FAT32.
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the difference is pixel density. when i'm ripping a vid for gs2, it's 480x800, which makes a full length movie (without compromising the quality) around 1.5gb.
and it allows me to carry multiple shows/movies.
NZtechfreak said:
You can use mkvtoolnix to split files.
This is one of the many problems with lacking an external card slot, since in ICS it should be able to take NTFS formatted cards which would alleviate the large file problem and the lack of storage problem (OK, that's mainly only a problem for a minority, I realise that, but that isn't much consolation when you're in that small minority).
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thanx bud
looks like a good idea
Hereisphilly said:
If i were you i would look at your ripping settings, and tweak the quality down so as to sneak in under the 4GB barrier.
I do alot of ripping using handbrake, and my 720p rips are usually around the 2.5GB - 3GB mark, with no discernalbe loss in quality, (dpepending on film length).
I agree that the 4GB limit is an issue, especially when i want to play a 1080p rip i have on my PC, but cant be bothered to re-size for the one X screen.
Lets hope the devs can sort out some ext4 goodness!
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i wouldn't give up anything on quality if possible. otherwise i'll just wait for gs3 as snowwhite suggested.
u seem more experienced than me. if the loss of quality is not noticeable (especially when panning), I'd appreciate if u could share your handbrake settings with me
Umyd said:
i wouldn't give up anything on quality if possible. otherwise i'll just wait for gs3 as snowwhite suggested.
u seem more experienced than me. if the loss of quality is not noticeable (especially when panning), I'd appreciate if u could share your handbrake settings with me
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Hehe, yeah no problem
I rip the entire bluray with no compression with makeMKV first, into one huge MKV file.
Then in handbrake,
Under picture settings to downscale to 720p select Loose in the anamorphic setting, set the Modulus to 2 and manually set the width to 1280. (also maintain aspect ratio) Cropping should be set to Automatic in order to remove the black bars
High profile preset
MP4 container (which will actually give you a .m4v file extension ending, but its not problem)
x264 codec
Same as source framerate
then select varialbe
Contstant quality setting, with an RF value of anywhere between 19 - 21. for faster films with more action i generally have a lower value as it looks better.
Lower value = higher quality
for blu-rays i go for 20.5
as the scale is logarithmic, lowering the value slightly can massively boost the filesize, while not adding much quality, so its best to play around. but i can assure you, rips @ 3GB are within 90-95% the quality of a 720p film with no compression
for audio i just keep the 7.1 audio stream and i ususally downmix to AAC for greater compatability
Best play around and see what you get
hope this helps!
Umyd said:
the difference is pixel density. when i'm ripping a vid for gs2, it's 480x800, which makes a full length movie (without compromising the quality) around 1.5gb.
and it allows me to carry multiple shows/movies.
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You can do the same with the HOX, just don't watch it in full screen >.<
Hereisphilly said:
Hehe, yeah no problem
I rip the entire bluray with no compression with makeMKV first, into one huge MKV file.
Then in handbrake,
Under picture settings to downscale to 720p select Loose in the anamorphic setting, set the Modulus to 2 and manually set the width to 1280. (also maintain aspect ratio) Cropping should be set to Automatic in order to remove the black bars
High profile preset
MP4 container (which will actually give you a .m4v file extension ending, but its not problem)
x264 codec
Same as source framerate
then select varialbe
Contstant quality setting, with an RF value of anywhere between 19 - 21. for faster films with more action i generally have a lower value as it looks better.
Lower value = higher quality
for blu-rays i go for 20.5
as the scale is logarithmic, lowering the value slightly can massively boost the filesize, while not adding much quality, so its best to play around. but i can assure you, rips @ 3GB are within 90-95% the quality of a 720p film with no compression
for audio i just keep the 7.1 audio stream and i ususally downmix to AAC for greater compatability
Best play around and see what you get
hope this helps!
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now, this will solve my prob.
thanx buddy!
and where did your thanx button go? huh, i can click it only once.
anyways, cheers mate, good info.
ArmedandDangerous said:
You can do the same with the HOX, just don't watch it in full screen >.<
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nah, not gonna buy a bugatti and drive it as slow as Ford model T
Umyd said:
now, this will solve my prob.
thanx buddy!
and where did your thanx button go? huh, i can click it only once.
anyways, cheers mate, good info.
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No problem, just have a play around and see what is best for you
Not sure, i cant click my own thanks button so cant really help!
Am guessing the limitation will either stop video recording or split the files?
Also am assuming that the video recording is not time limited?
Not tested but good to know peoples findings....
twe69 said:
Am guessing the limitation will either stop video recording or split the files?
Also am assuming that the video recording is not time limited?
Not tested but good to know peoples findings....
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Recorded videos will also be limited. The internal storage is still formatted in FAT32, and any file larger than 4GB, whatever the source, will hit the limit.