So I've been browsing the forums trying to figure out the fastest setup for my dash. I understand its becoming a very outdated phone but I still like its look and feel compared to some new ones.
I currently use the latest 3v0 and I'm very happy with the look and everything. I have some lag issues with it though, it starts running really choppy and anything I do starts locking it up. I mainly txt and make calls and even that can become a chore. Any suggestions on a faster setup for basicly just calls and txting? Or maybe some things to tweak without overclocking. I've tried overclocking and didnt notice any difference really.
Tell me if I am correct in assumming that you don't clear out your text messages often...
I don't clear out my text messages practically ever, and that kills my phone. In that respect, it has to do with tmail.exe. I believe that each time you open/close a thread of messages, it opens the ENTIRE database of messages related to that thread, and SAVES the entire thread of messages to the database (respectively). Its sort of a hassle, since I have had threads with friends that span on hundreds of messages, and it locks up my phone every time...
As far as a fast setup, i have 3VO (most recent) with the clock speed set to 240. Extended battery to compensate for overclocking (and then some) and minimal extra apps installed. I find that Windows Mobile is just like any other version of windows, it slows down after a while for some reason or another, so I find myself doing backups and Hard Resets often (Every couple of months) to keep the speed up. Its a hassle, but i've gotten it down to a science hehe.
Yeah I have a bad habit of doing that with my texts as well. I try to keep it cleared out anymore cause I've noticed how bad it gets. Is there any way to fix that? Or is it just something to live with cause of WM? I could see the whole hard reset thing, might have to try that.
Edit: So after posting this I looked at your sig and noticed Cmail I'm reading your post currently and about to try it. Does it avoid the issue you were speaking of?
No, it does not. CMail is a Command-line SMS sender. that is all it is.
HOWEVER...and I am only posting this here for the time being, I am researching the following:
1) C++ XML Libraries
2) C++ Multi-Threading
3) C++ Advanced GUIs
The three are going to come together in, what I hope to be, a full replacement to tMail.exe . I am sick and tired of the issues with it...slowing down the ROM, slow loading times, locking up the ROM, randomly deleting messages (when it locks up the ROM), not scrolling correctly in Threaded mode, etc. etc. etc. I am probably going to re-make tmail, and try to avoid the CE MAPI. All messages will be kept in XML files, free for people to copy to their computers. Hopefully I can make an improvement there. (The only downside would be that I am probably going to try to not use CE MAPI, as I find it to be a mess, and apps with dependencies to CE MAPI will have issues). I will probably fix this up by simply having my program mark messages read in the CE MAPI database, and handle everything else by itself. It'll be a tough project, but if it gets support, then I am sure it will take off
Well that sounds like a big task, but would deffinitely make things work better. I guess for now I'll deal with it. Sadly I'll probably get a new phone before something like that comes out. In the mean time I'll deal with my text messaging chop shop.
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My dash seems to be really laggy lately.
Is it due to the build up of txt msgs?
I'm on 6.1 and the phone seems to be a lot slower than it was when i first got it. Any tips on how to speed things up or do i need to delete all txt msgs??
any tips please?
I forget where in the default tmo Rom is task manager, but you could always kill text messaging after you're done using it.
I updated my dash to ricky's rom maybe the 2nd day after i bought it, its got omap overclocking and i've sped up my dash that way.
Perhaps you need to see what programs that you have are running all the time (with task manager) and see if disabling/uninstalling apps would help.
im running kavana 6.1 and its just recently been really laggy.
I clear my tasks and still lags. I starting to think its my txt msg logs since i txt anywhere from 2000-8000 a month and never delete any of them.
Is that the case?
Yeah, dude!!
Holy, shizah!!!
That many. Not to sound like an ass, but hell yeah, that's the prob. you need to run a script that either copies these to a text file somewhere routinely, or just straight up delete these.
Let me give everyone a word to the wise. For a fact, the more messages that are unread on your phone, the worse off the battery life will be. When you have unread voicemails, text messages, email messages, you are destroying your memory and your phones battery.
If you wanna seee a noticeable difference in both memory and battery life, read and delete all old messages of any variety. This goes for non smartphones and smartphones. This is a general rule of thumb. If anyone feels the need to wax intellectual, please, kill that idea. It's a moot point. I know this to be the case, and you can argue all day. Facts are facts.
Hope this helps, man. If you need me to write you an app that eats your text messages routinely or copies them to storage or whatever, just pm me. We can figure out a solution that suits you best!! Later.
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im running kavana 6.1 and its just recently been really laggy.
I clear my tasks and still lags. I starting to think its my txt msg logs since i txt anywhere from 2000-8000 a month and never delete any of them.
Is that the case?
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Holy, shizah!!!
That many. Not to sound like an ass, but hell yeah, that's the prob. you need to run a script that either copies these to a text file somewhere routinely, or just straight up delete these.
Let me give everyone a word to the wise. For a fact, the more messages that are unread on your phone, the worse off the battery life will be. When you have unread voicemails, text messages, email messages, you are destroying your memory and your phones battery.
If you wanna seee a noticeable difference in both memory and battery life, read and delete all old messages of any variety. This goes for non smartphones and smartphones. This is a general rule of thumb. If anyone feels the need to wax intellectual, please, kill that idea. It's a moot point. I know this to be the case, and you can argue all day. Facts are facts.
Hope this helps, man. If you need me to write you an app that eats your text messages routinely or copies them to storage or whatever, just pm me. We can figure out a solution that suits you best!! Later.
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Maybe you could try Jeyo Mobile Extender for Outlook. It syncronizes all your sms to your pc, so you can delete them from your phone and still don't lose them. Also you can send sms from outlook, so it's a little faster.
Hope it helped
Cheers
Use Chome Configurator to remove any home screen shortcuts you don't need.
That's all I've done so far, and it made it REALLY fast. No oc'ing needed.
One often over looked issue is the Notification Que, if you dont clean it out your device will slow down. I once deleted over 500kb of old entries after a month of use. Now I delete it weekly
what do u mean by the notification que. how do i go about in doing that?
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what do u mean by the notification que. how do i go about in doing that?
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The simple way is to use SKtools, it does pretty much everything you need as far as device hidden settings and cleaning management.
Is there any way to delete the text messages on the phone from a pc? I've been trying to delete these messages for the longest. It takes about 15 minutes for each contact's messages. I tried to delete it using menu>tools>empty deleted items but when I rebooted my phone after about 500 messages getting deleted they reappeared right back in the inbox. Im now goin to the deleted items folder and deleting all from there instead. I hope it works, but it is still slow.
outerdepth, can I pm you for that script you wrote to delete messages? I really need it.
I may be kind f an exception and probably very few people are in my case, however I'd like to know if anybody has fuond a solution
I have more than 1,000 contacts and over 15,000 SMS. Yeah I know it's a lot but I dotn wnat to archive my SMS and I need my contacts
It was very well handled on my Hermes with Manilla 2D (Everything was quick, responsive, etc...)
With Sense, from the original one with Win 6.1 at delivery of the phone, up to Sense 2.1 and now 2.5 every upgrade has made the management of contacts and SMS slower and slower (To the extent I sometimes have to wait a minute obetween 2 operation, it's just laughable for all friends who have iphones, Nokias, etc...)
Simply put, whenever leaving a conversation within my SMS list (hitting the back button in Win 6.5.3) I have to wait a looong time. Similarly when leaving a contact and going back to the main list or clicking on a contact in the main list. When viewing a contact, clicking on the tab for conversations is also really really slow
I guess it has a lot to do with the integration at the contacts level of the different elements (Facebook, conversations, etc...) an dif I had to take a bet it would be the link to SMSs
It's making me all the more pissed off that old Manilla versions work perfectly and handle thsi very smoothly
So my question are:
1. has someone found a way to speed up the SMS application (or using another SMS application that is faster, typically the "Good old one" from pevious Manilla versions ?
2. Is there somewhere a cache or a buffer that I could increase allowing a smoother operation of the SMS application
3. Has someone managed to disable the tab (or the link) pointing on a contact to the conversations with this contact ?
Thanks a lot for your ideas & suggestions
Seriously? You NEED to keep 15,000 SMS? Just get a grip and delete them. You'd be amazed at the performance gains from just that.
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Seriously? You NEED to keep 15,000 SMS? Just get a grip and delete them. You'd be amazed at the performance gains from just that.
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I do not doubt it will be faster but I'd like to keep them
My poiunt is wioth WM6.1 and Manilla 2D it was impressively FAST on an old Hermes !
this is just a problem with win 6.5 ive been battling this for a while now. it seems its something to do with the threading and the way it indexes through the messages. if you disable threaded messages, there is no doubt you problem will go away. the problem seems to get worse with the more messages you have.
Jeyo mobile extender
Use Jeyo Mobile Extender for Windows Outlook and save all the sms on your pc. Keep less than 100o on your WM device and enjoy.
Jeyo helps you to see them date wise, sorted and sending from PC itself.
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Use Jeyo Mobile Extender for Windows Outlook and save all the sms on your pc. Keep less than 100o on your WM device and enjoy.
Jeyo helps you to see them date wise, sorted and sending from PC itself.
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I dont wanna give up having them on my phone
Especially since my old HTC handles them properly
The Sense 2.5 Messaging app is slow even when you have very few (like 15)text messages from a single contact. When I reply to someboday it takes like 5 or more seconds depending on the number of messages just for the input box to take focus. The speed of the HTC text messaging app is pretty unbearable, to the point that I don't event like to text messaging that much anymore b/c of it's slowness.
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The Sense 2.5 Messaging app is slow even when you have very few (like 15)text messages from a single contact. When I reply to someboday it takes like 5 or more seconds depending on the number of messages just for the input box to take focus. The speed of the HTC text messaging app is pretty unbearable, to the point that I don't event like to text messaging that much anymore b/c of it's slowness.
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It's actually with a ROM including the previous SMS client
But eyah anyway HTC has lots of work to do...
I really understand this problem becouse i also stryggel with it. My TyTn2 is alot faster and my TP2 and that is unacceptible i think.
Im totaly new in to this ROM flashing and is running original HTC 6.5 ROM. So my question is: will i overcome this problem with a flashed ROM or does these ROM just change the interface/looks on the phone or do they fix this root of the problem that is driving me totaly mad... My TyTn2 kicks ass over my TP2 in preformance. And i cant understand that out from the hardware specs... Even if i Run no Sens/Manilla(?!) an onely SPB mobile shell om mboth phones TyTn2 still kicks ass.
My TP 2 hav with Sense driving a memory use of 85-95% with no other programs running.
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this is just a problem with win 6.5 ive been battling this for a while now. it seems its something to do with the threading and the way it indexes through the messages. if you disable threaded messages, there is no doubt you problem will go away. the problem seems to get worse with the more messages you have.
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Yes agreed. It happened for me only on Win 6.5 and it seems to be re-indexing the whole conversation everytime (I was away on holidays, did a few tests and came back with the same conclusion)
By disabling the threaded SMS I solved the problme (And it handles very smoothly my 20,000 SMSs...)
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I really understand this problem becouse i also stryggel with it. My TyTn2 is alot faster and my TP2 and that is unacceptible i think.
Im totaly new in to this ROM flashing and is running original HTC 6.5 ROM. So my question is: will i overcome this problem with a flashed ROM or does these ROM just change the interface/looks on the phone or do they fix this root of the problem that is driving me totaly mad... My TyTn2 kicks ass over my TP2 in preformance. And i cant understand that out from the hardware specs... Even if i Run no Sens/Manilla(?!) an onely SPB mobile shell om mboth phones TyTn2 still kicks ass.
My TP 2 hav with Sense driving a memory use of 85-95% with no other programs running.
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I agree "Unacceptable" is the word that comes first to my mind (and very surprised not to see more threads about this)
It seems to be a WM 6.5 issue (I tried without Sense and I have the same issue). WM 6.1 was working perfectly for me
It might be an option somewhere in the registry. I will see if I can find it (Although I doubt it...)
That said it seems to get better with time, so I suppose it's rebuilding one way or the other the indexation bit by bit while you click on a conversation (It may very simply be that PIM backup doesn't save all the necessary information (which is normal since was created before threaded SMS clients were created) and WM 6.5 doesn't handle this as smoothly as WM6.1 did)
Lats complain (And for this I really don't know what's up, maybe it's linked to the SMS issue, since everything is linked on the contact page): opening a contact takes ages (When you have lots of them), and going back to the list of contacts from teh contact view takes... even longer
When I say ages I mean a minute or more
Totally was just going to post a thread similar to this. You simply beat me to it Yeah I noticed that for the Sense 2.1, when you go to the "messaging" tab it will say messaging but it will take like a minute to load the most recent message you received. I remember 6.1 it was instantaneous. I disabled the TF3D messaging to that it just has the windows threaded messaging but the loading time is still the same. Same goes for the contacts tab.
Look at my last post on this thread. Might be the same issue I had...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594249
I managed to live with the SMS issue (It's getting better over time... Just dont ask me why...)
Can't live with the contact slowlyness...
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I managed to live with the SMS issue (It's getting better over time... Just dont ask me why...)
Can't live with the contact slowlyness...
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I had to cut down my contact list that syncs to the phone to around 4500 (from the 6800 that I want to use). It's sluggish but acceptable. I keep an old Treo 650 in my car with the full contact list for when I need to do a lookup.
My wishlist is about ActiveSync - I wish it was faster. It takes about an hour to reload my (reduced) contact list, and if I don't keep it under 4500 it gets exponentially slower for every contact over that.
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I had to cut down my contact list that syncs to the phone to around 4500 (from the 6800 that I want to use). It's sluggish but acceptable. I keep an old Treo 650 in my car with the full contact list for when I need to do a lookup.
My wishlist is about ActiveSync - I wish it was faster. It takes about an hour to reload my (reduced) contact list, and if I don't keep it under 4500 it gets exponentially slower for every contact over that.
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I have only 1,100... Yes Activesync is slow like hell. BUT opening contacts or coming back to the main list from an opened contact is incredibly slow. More than annoying... It makes it unmanageable
I am not sure it's linked to the number of contacts though
What really sucks is old version of HTC's software dont have these shortcomings...
Hi all
wondering how many other forumites are suffering from the following issue:
a slow, laggy, unresponsive SMS application after the number of SMS' in a given conversation/inbox exceeds around 2000 SMS'
who else has had this trouble and has anyone found a fix for it apart from the obvious (deleting SMS', even deleting SMS' takes an age)
many thanks
Why would you ever have that many SMS messages? Get rid of them or archive them somewhere. Of course you'd have problems loading all of those messages! The conversation formatting isn't designed for that, developers learned that with IM programs a long time ago!
thats the thing
i've tried deleting them, but even then it takes an absolute age to delete, im talking hours.
and im sorry but this is the only thing i HATE about WM, the inability to handle a few thousand SMS's, like every NOKIA since 1992
Hmm, then it seems a bit odd to me. I have a setting that deletes them after a little while automatically. It's like if there's 20 messages, it auto-deletes.
Let me look around and find out where it is.
I don't know either its my phone that lags or the rom, but recently after installing Energy rom, going into sms mode to send a text to someone takes at least 10 seconds. Is there a fix for this? Or is it my phone's problem
I've read that it's got something to do with WinMo 6.5. I don't have in depth knowledge of the topic myself. All I can tell you from my personal experience is that I've seen the same lag ever since I got off of the stock Sprint 6.1 ROM. (Been using variations of MightyRom ever since). It aggravates the hell out of me.
I bought this phone because, at the time, it was the best Windows Mobile phone on the market. If this was the best, I'd hate to see the worst. It doesn't even do simple BS like SMS as well as my old throw-away LG dumbphone did. Don't even get me started on the lagginess, freeze-ups and other pains of the 'advanced' functions...
Yeah with my TP2 whenever I open a text convo, do my thing, then exit.. it takes atleast 10-15 seconds to un-freeze into the All Messages window.. tried clearing the ram, but still nothing..
This is horrible! I recently started having this problem, if you have a really long text message conversation, the phone becomes completely un******* usable. I threw mine out the window of my truck today I was so aggravated. Mine has gotten to the point that you have to pull the battery out, or wait 5-10 minutes after you close out the text messaging thread. I'm getting an Evo - I really want to stay on TP2 but if I cant even text message, this phone/winmo 6.5 is totally junk. I'm hoping someone has a fix or tweak for this.
The only solution is to purge your messages, Arcsoft likes to load up all the messages before allowing you to do anything, sucking up alot of RAM and CPU, so less messages = less work, you could also try the classic text messaging (non threaded), the new overclock app kinda helps with this stuff. And the HTC messaging client as a last resort. the structure of the app is different and it doesnt take quite as long to load the messages, and it unloads itself much quicker than arcsoft in my experience.
I try to not to keep any SMS older than 2 weeks. I'm not one of these SMS crack-junkies that likes to keep 20k messages on their phone. I only regularly text maybe 4-5 people, so I never have more than a couple hundred messages on my phone at any given time.
I'd actually delete them sooner, but there's no decent app to purge based on message age. SMSPurger is a slow, buggy piece of junk, and nobody else seems to have written an alternative.
That brings me back to my old LG phone. It had a function where it would auto delete the oldest message once the combined sent/received list hit 300(?) messages. New message comes in, oldest one gets deleted. Why is it my WinMo superphone can't do something this simple?
If the issue is that you want an auto delete program, then the reasoning is that No one like to develop for WinMo, and the SMS has kind of always been an issue on the Professional Version, I had no problems with the SMS on my first WinMo device, the Moto Q9h (kinda miss it). I have had SMS issues on all 4 of my PPCs LG CT810 (incite) hTC Raphael (Touch Pro), Rhodium 210 (Touch Pro 2) and Rhodium 300 (Tilt 2). Best solution I have had, purchase Sms-chat if you really like your texting, It was lag free, and worked 100%, the only thing that I didnt like was the cheesy iPhone rip off. The main reason I still get WinMo is because I HATE apple. - but anyway, your issue is suffered by many, and it might take a while to solve.
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Just install the fix from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=664915
I did it and it solved problems with sms in manila 2.5- no need to purge or delete long conversations.
I have one of the original Dell Venue Pro devices and have used it heavily for 2 years doing browsing, email, and SMS. Recently the phone started slowing down in a manner that seemed to affect every feature and function. Turn on the phone, and the wallpaper appeared by itself, making me wait to see what time it was and my latest notifications. Unlocking the phone required me to wait as well, staring at the keypad before the screen responded to my touch. The touchscreen was laggy all the time. Everything appeared to be running equally slowly. Frustrating.
Fixed it by deleting my IE cache and most/all of the conversations in my SMS history. I had some long conversations, but also use 2-factor authentication for Google Mail and receive txts every time I log in. The thing about Google Mail's txts is that they come from a different number each time, so instead of a long SMS thread in my phone about Google verification codes I had hundreds of separate conversations each with one message. Deleting everything was a tedious process, but it totally worked. The phone is snappy once again.
I'm posting this so that folks dealing with laggy, slow WP7 have something specific to try, rather than the "solution" being suggested by MSFT support to do hard resets of the device and lose all your files/pics/appdata in the process.
A similar issue was discussed in terms of dealing with very long conversations (1000+messages):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1030132
But in my case I was dealing with slowness affecting everything, not just when viewing a very long conversation.
Thank you for posting. I'll be sure to keep this in mind if I run into a similar problem.