Will they be able to put the drivers for the video camera etc into the ROMS now, or the hydra kernels? I remeber hearing that they needed the source to be able to do this?
new hydra kernels were released the day the source came out, everything works in them so far that I have found.
Wait, so I can upgrad to Froyo, install Sky Raider and a custom overclocked kernel and still have video camera?
if u so desire. yes.
Froyo source does not contain ANY proprietary drivers.
I think he meant kernel source...
froyo Source.
No... He ment froyo source code, not just the kernel. see the attached link Unless i completely read this wrong...
//developer.htc.com
i think...
i remember reading a while ago when we had like skyraider 1.9 that they needed the info from the 2.2 ota to make camera work. i dont think he knows that he needs the new radio. although i think you guys already stated it above. you just need the the new radio but now that unrevoked forever is out you dont need to unroot bro. there is a thread topic very easy good luck
I think what it boils down to is the question "Will we be seeing some cool roms soon?"
cooksalot said:
I think what it boils down to is the question "Will we be seeing some cool roms soon?"
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cool roms as in?? we have some really nice roms! all of them r great in my opinion but im a skyraider guy
Funny how every other post starts of with "I think he means..."
aosp roms?
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aosp roms?
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roms built from source code ("ground up") rather than roms made from just modifying the stock one that came with the phone
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Well, we have a bunch of roms for hour HERO, in one rom the camera works at 5mpx, in another at 3.
We've opengl working and not working.
In another rom we have Sense UI, in another we don't have it...
So, why don't you unify all those efforts and create a unique rom with
camera working
sense/non-sense (2 version of the same rom)
And all other stuff???
Is this idea so bad?
They are all based on different Kernals (the basis of the rom) so therefore they are built up differently leading to different things working and not working.
It may be possible to get everything working but certainly would nto be a quick and easy task.
Best thing to do is think of what you regularly use and pick whatever 2.1 rom suits your needs until we get a fully working 2.1 dump.
I think, at this point, i'll wait for a HTC official update, and i'll keep using Exit93 roms...
I second that.
As a fairly long time xda-user i often find it frustrating to find a good rom for my phone.
Just the other day i got my hero and this time there seems to be slightly fewer roms floating around but it's still pretty hard to find a suitable one.
I think alot of us have a good idea of what exactly we want and alot of roms have a bunch of stuff we really dont care about as much as the chef.
What i would really appreciate is a clean rom with a repository of optional components, i don't mind there being a chinese keyboard, but please make it optional.
If i could i would love to get in to the cooking game, i've thought about it several times over the last few years. Alas, i don't know where to start, at least not with Hero.
If anyone can point me to a good starting place i would love to give it a try and make the rom im talking about.
Cheers
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I second that.
As a fairly long time xda-user i often find it frustrating to find a good rom for my phone.
Just the other day i got my hero and this time there seems to be slightly fewer roms floating around but it's still pretty hard to find a suitable one.
I think alot of us have a good idea of what exactly we want and alot of roms have a bunch of stuff we really dont care about as much as the chef.
What i would really appreciate is a clean rom with a repository of optional components, i don't mind there being a chinese keyboard, but please make it optional.
If i could i would love to get in to the cooking game, i've thought about it several times over the last few years. Alas, i don't know where to start, at least not with Hero.
If anyone can point me to a good starting place i would love to give it a try and make the rom im talking about.
Cheers
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i believe CKDroid is the one for you. it comes with a small kitchen (windows only) to enable you to customize the rom. it's quite stable too
also ... look here for a start to your cooking career.
Lennyuk said:
They are all based on different Kernals (the basis of the rom) so therefore they are built up differently leading to different things working and not working.
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this is wrong. all the 2.1 roms are based on the exact same kernel from the only leaked 2.1 rom we have. as soon as the sources are out a lot will change, but until then the kernel is one of the biggest limitations.
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this is wrong. all the 2.1 roms are based on the exact same kernel from the only leaked 2.1 rom we have. as soon as the sources are out a lot will change, but until then the kernel is one of the biggest limitations.
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I was sure that the sense based 2.1 roms and the normal android 2.1 roms were based on different sources.
Lennyuk said:
I was sure that the sense based 2.1 roms and the normal android 2.1 roms were based on different sources.
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kernel != rom
there is only one binary 2.6.29 kernel for the 2.1 roms. compare the roms, you will see that the kernel is always:
Code:
2.6.29-8d063048
[email protected]
even if some (one) devs try to make it look like they have a custom kernel...
kendong2 said:
kernel != rom
there is only one binary 2.6.29 kernel for the 2.1 roms. compare the roms, you will see that the kernel is always:
Code:
2.6.29-8d063048
[email protected]
even if some (one) devs try to make it look like they have a custom kernel...
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ok didn't know that. thanks
Lennyuk said:
I was sure that the sense based 2.1 roms and the normal android 2.1 roms were based on different sources.
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There is only one set of freely available source code for Android 2.1 and that is the AOSP version. Note that this is quite distinct from the kernel source code, and is license separately.
For the most part, the Sense-based 2.1 ROMs will be using precompiled elements taken from leaked HTC ROMs, though may have some AOSP elements too.
When HTC do finally release 2.1 for Hero, they must then make the kernel source code as per the terms of the GPL. However, HTC do not ever have to release the source code for their version of Android because the Apache Software Licence (ASL) that Google released Android under is not a copyleft license.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
There is only one set of freely available source code for Android 2.1 and that is the AOSP version. Note that this is quite distinct from the kernel source code, and is license separately.
For the most part, the Sense-based 2.1 ROMs will be using precompiled elements taken from leaked HTC ROMs, though may have some AOSP elements too.
When HTC do finally release 2.1 for Hero, they must then make the kernel source code as per the terms of the GPL. However, HTC do not ever have to release the source code for their version of Android because the Apache Software Licence (ASL) that Google released Android under is not a copyleft license.
Regards,
Dave
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Always learning...
Thanks
None of the current 2.1 ROMS is worth using, they're all just useful for experiments with Android 2.1 - no more than that.
I'm happy with MCR 3.1 so far, it's fast stable, working and relyable, nothing of that could be said of any 2.1 custom ROM so far. So please wait 2 or 3 more weeks until we finally get a real working 2.1 ROM from HTC.
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None of the current 2.1 ROMS is worth using, they're all just useful for experiments with Android 2.1 - no more than that.
I'm happy with MCR 3.1 so far, it's fast stable, working and relyable, nothing of that could be said of any 2.1 custom ROM so far. So please wait 2 or 3 more weeks until we finally get a real working 2.1 ROM from HTC.
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That's just your opinion
VillianRom is currently offering me everything I need to use in a ROM with no issues at all.
Sure some people have problem with different roms but thats because everyone has different needs and uses with their devices.
Hello. HTC Hero users already have a good Roms 2.1 + Sense. You have received an official kernel from HTC. We unfortunately do not. Sanpei created a very good kernel. Everything in it works, but no one has created a good rom. Anyone can cook a port on this kernel? Plz port Viliam or another good rom.
All Magic 32A users would be grateful.
Sorry for my English.
Vatri91 said:
Hello. HTC Hero users already have a good Roms 2.1 + Sense. You have received an official kernel from HTC. We unfortunately do not. Sanpei created a very good kernel. Everything in it works, but no one has created a good rom. Anyone can cook a port on this kernel? Plz port Viliam or another good rom.
All Magic 32A users would be grateful.
Sorry for my English.
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I'd love to see where you got that from.
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I'd love to see where you got that from.
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I 2nd that
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4th.Too bad i missed top 3.
Please help us
I'd like to see that kernel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642125
Sanpei rom has this kernel, but he didn't opened sources. User Robocik had bricked Magic. He has cooked rom on old sanpei kernel for us.
We don't have good 2.1 rom.
If you buy me a Magic I'd be happy to port a rom for you.
LOL
lol funny one magic user decides to complain in the hero forum, and there are many roms good for magic ported from the hero roms
You don't have right. All ports had created by robocik, but he has bricked Magic.
He was using 2.6.29 Sanpei kernel. This kernel has meny bug. DEATH IN SLEEP, Battery bug, camera crash... Sanpei created 2.6.32, but now there there is no person, who created port.
New kernel doesn't have bugs.
well if thats the case, why not write the cook of the rom you like, and ask him to make a new one for you
Case and movi use only old radio and WGkernel. They don't want work with sanpei kernel, because he is breaking the license GPL.
im sorry i dont really see why you cant ask one of the many good dev's in the magic section who work on kernels,Dwang has made some good kernels as well as cyanogen! i do believe there is a section of the kernels on the forums.
I don't even think he even knows what he's talking about.. I'm using the magic and there are several ports already done. You're asking for something that is already done... I've tried them out and the one I tried works perfectly fine (aside from text app opening slow). Does the Hero even have an official 2.1 kernel? I don't wanna sound like a jerk but isn't asking something like this in another section(another [email protected]#$) a bit... *nicer word* SILLY? It's almost like going to an iphone section and requesting this.
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Does the Hero even have an official 2.1 kernel?
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Check the first 3 or 4 posts. There you have your answer
lol!
10chaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrssssssssssssssss
I recently ported VillainROM 5.2 using the kitchen from "Chef central forum"
Dont know if i did anything right since I have never done anything like it, but the rom seems to work fine, so far so good...
/M
You are right kawata,i have a magic and most of the ports are fine to use,no we dont have a hero 2.1 kernel yet!
I currently have a hero and my gf just got the EVO and the battery life is pretty rough on it of course like we all know but i just flashed an under-volt kernal and it seems to work very well, is this possible yet for the EVO? Here are the links below about the topic
Under-volt Theory
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697286
Kernal for HTC Hero w/undervolt
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=722073
AFAIK, most of the kernals we already have available undervolt the CPU.
okay, sorry im a noob to the EVO, as of yet i dont own one, i have a very good undestanding how ever thing works with my hero. So like the latest Fresh Rom for the EVO, has undervolt?
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okay, sorry im a noob to the EVO, as of yet i dont own one, i have a very good undestanding how ever thing works with my hero. So like the latest Fresh Rom for the EVO, has undervolt?
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Fresh Rom is a ROM, not a kernel. The kernel that comes with Fresh Rom by default is the stock HTC kernel which has no undervolting. You have to flash an alternate kernel after you flash the ROM which will allow undervolting.
There are a few kernels from which to choose from available here.
BAttitude7689 said:
I currently have a hero and my gf just got the EVO and the battery life is pretty rough on it of course like we all know but i just flashed an under-volt kernal and it seems to work very well, is this possible yet for the EVO? Here are the links below about the topic
Under-volt Theory
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697286
Kernal for HTC Hero w/undervolt
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=722073
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There are several threads in her in the dev section here with various kernels for the hero. I use Damage Control 3.2.3 ROM and therefore use a kernel from the developers there. However there is another thread (not ROM related per-se) that goes deeper into the different kernels that are available and being worked on. If you prefer another ROM search those threads... Since the release of the complete source code recently several dev's are tweaking the kernels to integrate with their ROM's.
Seek and yee shall find... (If you go to the DamageControl link, Look for info on post #2. You will have to scroll a bit because it's a beast as is the size of the thread.
I think Baked Snack ROM does the most undervolting. He said he has undervolted it so low with stability.
That ROM does wonders to your battery... let me just say that.
lol sorry but just asking what is baconbits?
Ha, its a kernel that is used in android development. Made by cyanogenmod. Its used for overclocking your processor and other small improvements
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 with Virtuous Sense.
I'm actually quite confused about BaconBits too. It looks like it has:
LED notifications
overclocking kernal
ro.secure=0
superuser
busybox
Correct me if I am wrong, but these are all available on CM6.1.0 I think that BB .3 was an appetizer before the nightly/RC's started coming out. In other words, if you are running CM6.1.0 then there is no need for BB?
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Correct me if I am wrong, but these are all available on CM6.1.0 I think that BB .3 was an appetizer before the nightly/RC's started coming out. In other words, if you are running CM6.1.0 then there is no need for BB?
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Yep 10 char.
after installing this it cant read my simcard and when its done rebooting all i can see is alot of for closes?!?!?!?!
BaconBits is a kernel designed for installing over the stock ROM. It was, I think, really just a stopgap until the full CyanogenMod came out.
As has been said, if you're running CM then you don't need BaconBits.
thanks yeaa
well, personally i do use baconbits if i dont want to use the full CM rom, which is actually quite nice
About to flash CM7. Seen some mention of 'kernal' in various threads. What does it do? and do I need to update it?
Cheers.
same question
The Kernel controls things like battery drain and CPU levels for overclocking etc... its not a must do but recommended for best performance. there is probably not a "best" one but more like the best that suits you. If you are running CM7 i would recomend Vork Kernel's or ManU kernels
Richardtrip's kernels are also very good: overcklocking, manual voltage level, Two-way call recording.
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Richardtrip's kernels are also very good: overcklocking, manual voltage level, Two-way call recording.
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Have you used the call recording? If so how do you "activate" it or listen to the calls afterwards?
CdTDroiD said:
Have you used the call recording?
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Yes call recording is working fine.
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If so how do you "activate" it or listen to the calls afterwards?
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There are several apps in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=993793 thread, I used app by skvalex.
Since I'm new to Desire and HTC- what is the difference between Sense and AOSP kernels?
(before you ask- I know what AOSP is)
Do Sense firmwares require some extra drivers/modules/settings in kernel?
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Since I'm new to Desire and HTC- what is the difference between Sense and AOSP kernels?
(before you ask- I know what AOSP is)
Do Sense firmwares require some extra drivers/modules/settings in kernel?
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Hi there!
Sense is HTC proprietary software built over the top of Android. This code is not open source and is what HTC use to set themselves apart from other manufacturers like Samsung etc. Sense is what they sell as their user experience.
AOSP stands for Android Open Source Project. Since Android is an open source operating system, Google publish all the code and necessary tools to develop Android. Companies like HTC get the code and then write Sense over the top. Devs in this community like Cyanogen take the AOSP code and build their ROMS from scratch.
When you see ROMS that are for Sense 2.1 on Gingerbread for example this means that someone has been able to port software running on other phone models like the Desire HD or Incredible etc to your phone model (Desire)
As for the kernels you will need to make sure that the kernel you run is supported on the device and that's about it. The Kernel has to have some key components or the phone won't work so the ROM you use just uses them.
Having said that, ROM developers usually optimise around one or two particular Kernels. They are usually included in the ROM or the Dev will tell you which one they recommend for certain purposes.
You do have to have apps in the system that can access settings if customising the performance beyond what the dev has already done is what you want to do.
Thanks for the answer but it's not exactly what I'd like to know
Thing is- what makes Sense kernel incompatible with AOSP firmware (and vice versa)
Sorry for not answering what you were looking for. I'll try again.
The Kernels for Sense would have specific code that enables features in the phone that HTC build. LED control, light sensor etc. I assume Sense is quite strict about what it will work on and what it won't.
The AOSP Kernels are built without knowing the exact hardware maps of the internal components and as such won't work with Sense because they simply don't know how due to HTC keeping a lid on all source work for Sense and the handset itself.
The best developers can figure most of it out (certainly I am not a dev, just a geek ) and teams like CyanogenMod have it mostly discovered and configurable.
Is that more helpful?
Isn't Sense a HTC's android framework "mod"? I mean does it "just" provide more/different functionality than AOSP?
AFAIK all kernels must be built knowing exact hardware map, otherwise some devices will not work or kernel will not boot. The only autodetect I'm aware of is display panel type and filesystems (I did mess with kernels @samdroid.net)
i have a question about kernels an such from what i understand is you don't need to update the kernel but its a good idea too do so. couple questions i have.
1. how do you know what kernel you have installed currently.
2. How do you flash or get a new one installed if you need or want it.
3. scene i am using core droid 6.3 gb2.3.3 what kernel would be the most compatible or effective?
I have had my inspire phone for 3 months an finally rooted it 3weeks ago sence then i have used the rom manager too play with different roms an make backups of the 2 i have found i like the most. After reading i have seen it stated too get the most out of these roms though you should install a different kernel.
To know your currently version, you have to go in parametres and then logiciel version and look at build. Sorry for my bad English.
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I don't want open a new thread, so I will ask here.
Now I have
kernel
2.6.32.15-gf5a401c
baseband
32.49.00.32U_5.11.05.27
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on stock pre rooted 2.2 Froyo.
I want put this ROM. Can I put this ROM with my kernel and radio or I musst put latest kernel and radio?
GTRSkyR34 said:
I don't want open a new thread, so I will ask here.
Now I have
on stock pre rooted 2.2 Froyo.
I want put this ROM. Can I put this ROM with my kernel and radio or I musst put latest kernel and radio?
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You will find that many roms contain a kernel in the zip file, so it will often change when you flash a rom. If not, the developer may recommend one.
Radio is independent of rom flash, and unless you start getting connectivity problems there is normally no need to change it. Again, some developers will recommend a radio (and maybe a RIL if they know a particular combination works well with their rom.