I like Garmin so much!but after flash nand to froyo on my kaiser,no more Wm software support.hmm.anyone knws how to put Garmin on Kaiser Froyo?
Applications that are disgined and coded for a specific operating system (ie Windows) and will not be compatible with other operating system (ie Linux/Apple) its the same on the PC as well as mobiles. The Supplier or software developer has to code it to a specific system.
So its the responsibility of the software developer / company to 'port' their application for each system, Not for the Operating system to support the software.
A quick google, reveals that they don't make Garmin for Android 'yet' so for the time being you can not install Garmin for your chosen Operating System.
So you will have to contact Garmin and ask them (as it seems many have) to 'port' their application to Android. and for the time being you will either have to use Google Maps or buy CoPoliot (which I hear is good).
There are also a number of other satnav options, however as leona says, garmin has not yet commited themselves to Android yet, neither has tomtom. but with androids present performance in market share, it's only a matter of time before these 'big boys' bring their android game.
I'd have a good look at the alternatives in Market though, at least it's a good comparison
This thread may help you too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738499
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Hi all,
I ask this question cuz I counldn't find enough information about How to install Linux on my PPC.
My ppc is: I-teq X-bond like as Gigabyte gsmart i. with 64MB ROM.
Is there any linux ROM distribution for my ppc? or general linux ROM distribution for PPCs?
Thanks in advance.
Pedram
The reason you could not find information is because there isn't much of it to be found.
Unfortunately, Linux for PPC is in its infancy. The main problem is the drivers - they all need to be reverse engineered and there is no help from the OEMs as they designed this things to only work with MS crap and seem to have no interest in releasing drivers or specifications.
Official reason: Because you can not mess with the OS the device is more stable and secure.
Real reason: If you need to by new phone to get new OS we make more $$$ and so does MS.
As far as I heard there is a half decent version for some iPaq model, and there is version for some HTC devices (check WiKi) but all it does is boot up: no drivers even for touch screen, no graphical interface, no apps.
Thnx levelnum.
I think if linux developers I mean open source world focus on handheld devices they can publish good distribution as desktop or laptop PCs. Today they are very powerful in reverse engineering, .NET Framework in Linux named MONO is one of these reverse engineering issues.
I believe that Linux is much more customizable that WM, especially for XDA-developers that make interesting works on WM. And also it doesn't have copyright restriction as WM has. So may be it makes many progress in world of handheld devices.
Oddly enough I was looking for Linux on Smartphone info yesterday as I've got an Alpine I'd like to be able to do something interesting with.
Demand for something like this is going to be a bit odd - by definition anyone who finds this site, let alone opens an account and posts, is going to be interested in pushing the boundaries of their device but the vast majority of WM device users are going to be in the "don't care how it works as long as it does" group.
Also, I reckon a lot of Linux dev types aren't even going to look at the device, it will never occur to them to buy one because it's sold as a Windows Mobile device, and hence isn't going to be near their installation of the hacker mentality. Without a critical mass of people who can develop in/with Linux it's always going to be a struggle.
problem is the program base
all current wm programs unless they are .net
would not run under linux on our pda's
new ones would be required to be written
or ported or....
The Nokia Internet Tablet runs on a version of Linux with a pretty robust set of applications, and this device uses an ARM processor which should be pretty friendly with regard to 'porting'.
But you'd still be stuck without a telephone application.
You can find some information here:
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET
http://www.handhelds.org/
Oddly enough I was looking for Linux on Smartphone info yesterday as I've got an Alpine I'd like to be able to do something interesting with.
Demand for something like this is going to be a bit odd - by definition anyone who finds this site, let alone opens an account and posts, is going to be interested in pushing the boundaries of their device but the vast majority of WM device users are going to be in the "don't care how it works as long as it does" group.
Also, I reckon a lot of Linux dev types aren't even going to look at the device, it will never occur to them to buy one because it's sold as a Windows Mobile device, and hence isn't going to be near their installation of the hacker mentality. Without a critical mass of people who can develop in/with Linux it's always going to be a struggle.
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May be! as you said it is Windows mobile device and linux lovers aren't going around of it. but I think they are so curious than it.
problem is the program base
all current wm programs unless they are .net
would not run under linux on our pda's
new ones would be required to be written
or ported or....
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I do think so. since I in previous post I mentioned that .NET framework available in linux. so many of windows program can run on it.
You can find some information here:
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET
http://www.handhelds.org/
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Hart (Reverse engineering tool for wm hardware) was interesting tool.
yeah but due to limitations and slowness only the minority of applications on windows mobile are made in .net :S
i want this one
http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html
Regards,
Jason
Rudegar said:
problem is the program base
all current wm programs unless they are .net
would not run under linux on our pda's
new ones would be required to be written
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This is not a real problem. If you want to use a particular program from WM that is a problem but why you would do that? There is very large program base for desktop Linux (many of them also exist for desktop Windows) which could be very easily ported to a handheld platform with ARM processor. If you ever looked up how many qualitative programs do exist for Japanese Linux handhelds...
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This is not a real problem. If you want to use a particular program from WM that is a problem but why you would do that? There is very large program base for desktop Linux (many of them also exist for desktop Windows) which could be very easily ported to a handheld platform with ARM processor. If you ever looked up how many qualitative programs do exist for Japanese Linux handhelds...
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Thats one of the things that is grate about open source software - you don't even have to depend on the original developer to find the time / will to port it. Anyone with the programing knowledge can.
I am going to propose some kind of challenge. Its a collaborative project. I am just dropping the seed of it and see if you want to join in.
There have been some tests on using GSM cells triangulation / fingerprinting that allow the phone calculating its current position.
A GSM tower database is needed for the different places it should work and then, with adequate software, a virtual COM port can give NMEA sentences (GPS-like position informatio) to any program in the phone (i.e. navigator, PocketMaps, position uploaders...) with a precision of 100m in town and up to 1 km in open country. (see article: http://www.placelab.org/publications/pubs/gsm-ubicomp2006.pdf).
To get the database up and running GSM-stumbling is needed. That is using a program that stores at regular time intervals a (true) GPS-derived position with the cell ID of the cells visible to the phone at that moment (cells from various providers... it is not necesary to be connected to them).
Artemis and trinity are ideal devices for GSM-stumbling.
Data gathered while stumbling could also be sent to OpenStreetMap to help them building their map.
Once the database is created, any PDA phone can enjoy the "GSM-GPS" service and use maps with a reasonable precision.
Even though I am a programmer, I have no experience in programming for Windows mobile, so it would be needed that an experienced developers get interested on this.
There is an opensource project that has quite succeded on this but the work is dying. It is written in java for Nokia phones. It is the origin of the previously mentioned article.
http://www.placelab.org
It could not get their PocketPC soft to run, but I believe that they would help in a project like this and would probably reactivate their site a little.
BENEFITS:
- Coarse GPS for Artemis while not much precision needed would allow to have GPS without draining the battery.
- Coarse GPS for phones without GPS.
- Possible derived softs using NMEA sentences (from real GPS or "GSM-GPS") that allow context behavioral changes of the phone (like comm mgr pro).
SOFWARE MODULES NEEDED:
- GSM-Stumbler (data logger of GPS NMEA sentences with Cell IDs)
- Some processing of data gathered to build local databases... Surely Placelab colleagues will help with that.
- Cells ID interpreter (translator, through the database, of Cell IDs and triangulation to NMEA sentences through a virtual serial port)
It should not be extremely difficult as most things have already be done or have been addresed in opensource projects.
(i.e. Comm Mgr Pro used cell IDs extensively)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299070
... and the placelab team has solved most practical computational issues.
I am poining to this post from the developers main forum, so that probabilities to get a techie interested increase.
Thanks for reading. I hope this storming of ideas is useful for some of us.
This sounds like a great idea - have you tried the java client on your WM Device to see if it works (jsut in case) ?
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This sounds like a great idea - have you tried the java client on your WM Device to see if it works (jsut in case) ?
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I tried to do it, but I am not proficient with java.
Besides, it is written to work in a "normal" (not pda-phone) pda, working by a Nokia phone running a special java plug-in to serve the cell-id via cable or bluetooth... So using the internal cell-ID would need at least a minimal re-programming gathering the cell-ID info and forwarding it to the rest of the software.
I think that looking to their software by "expert" eyes is the first thing to do.
there is a ppc software which does that
http://www.navizon.com/
have fun playing with it
there is abuilt in test mode called netmonitor in all old nokia fones.this displays gsm positioning but only in hex
fallenczar said:
there is a ppc software which does that
http://www.navizon.com/
have fun playing with it
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I am giving it a try... thanks! I will post with comments.
Its is a pity that this is not an opensource initiative, but looks pretty useful.
I currently have a diamond and am looking for a new h/s.
the important things for me are fast surfing, simple enough interface with the ability to modify the themes etc (sliders, curtains etc), fast switching between apps and video capabilities.
can anyone explain in laymans terms the benefits, advantages and clear disadvantages between android - windows 6.(whatever) - and winmo.
im after either the hero, tgo1, diamond 2.
what could people suggest?
Ps - im not too interested in flashing and putting cooked/kitchen roms or whatever else onto them. Purely out of the box set-up
Linux has the advantage of being reasonable easy to program for is “Open Source” so no licence to pay for and normally cheaper for the manufacturers to use and has quite a large following that likes to create applications/modifications for the phone.
Windows is controlled my the evil corporation Microsoft and wants your soul before you can use it….or at least some seem to think so, windows mobile has more flavours (ROMS) available on this site than Microsoft could produce for a very long time, devices never meant to run latter versions of windows mobile are now quite happily running newer software thanks to various cooks who like to improve or tweak the standard fair to produce something they think is better…some are, some aren’t.
From what you’re asking you seem to want to know what’s best, sadly the simple answer is both
Its more a user choice if you have certain software you want to run then check the handset can run both if not pick the one that can, there is no clear leader at the moment and as your not interested in upgrading your phone to a newer flavour your stuck with whatever the provider thinks is good.
Simple answer then look at what you like, check it runs what you want, purchase the phone best of luck
Fair point indeed.
looks like ill be hunting through reviews for a little while yet.
thanks for the reply
Looking for turn by turn directions to replace my TomTom. It seems the only option is CoPilot Live?
Anyone seen a working version of iGO My way for Android? Used to have on WinMo and was pretty good. Their site shows lots of details but nowhere to buy (search on google for 'android iGO' and it's the first listing - I can't post URL's yet).
Navigon, Sygic are also options you might want to look at.
Currently using Sygic, but it does not have support for nordic characters æøå, so it makes address typing kinda stupid.
Also try NDrive -- I really liked it.
Nice - more choices than I realised! Anyone have 1st hand experience of them in the UK, i.e. are the post codes up to date?
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Nice - more choices than I realised! Anyone have 1st hand experience of them in the UK, i.e. are the post codes up to date?
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I've played with CoPilot and NDrive -- both worked fine and I found postcodes that I needed. However, I only made one or two trips with each app.
....with GPRS Traffic updates?
Is it only Copilot that supports traffic updates over GPRS?
I find these absolutely necessary in the UK, though Copilot 7 on my THD handles rerouting very poorly indeed and puts me off the software. Is it improved in Copilot 8?
I have Sygic Mobile 10 and Copilot 8 on my Deisre. Both work extremely well. Of the two, I refer Sygic, as the interface is much more TomTom -like, (i.e. virtually identical) and therefore extremely user-friendly.
Try downloading the patched google maps and try out Google Maps Navigation before you actually buy any GPS software.
nubbin, please if you can give some reviews:
- Which one is the fastest for getting satellite lock?
- How about re-routing? Which one is better?
- Is there any GPS lag? The map direction is bit behind the actual situation
Thanks.
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I have Sygic Mobile 10 and Copilot 8 on my Deisre. Both work extremely well. Of the two, I refer Sygic, as the interface is much more TomTom -like, (i.e. virtually identical) and therefore extremely user-friendly.
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I'll review them as soon as I've had a chance to play properly - I only got my phone yesterday afternoon!
I'm just trying the GPS lock - I noticed this morning that it didn't get a fix at all on my drive to work, but from my desk at work it hooks up to GPS satellites almost immediately from "warm". and takes about 20 seconds from cold - much better than my Diamond2, and very quick!
The display is superb, and big enough to look like a dedicated SatNav. I haven't got a car cradle at the moment so I haven't been able to safely assess the accuracy and scrolling speed of the maps, but I imagine with a 1Ghz processor it will be very good. I'll let you know. Personally I prefer Sygic for the user interface.
I have tried almost all of the turn-by-turn navigation soft for Android and ended up with buying a cheap PNA with WinCE and installing iGO on it. iGO for Android still is not official and cannot be bought. If there aren’t very higher requirements (just navigate me from point A to B), almost all of them will do the work. But as soon as you want something specific, you’ll find out no one can match anything more than simple navigation, which Google soon will offer for free everywhere. Probably, I would choose CoPilot if it wasn’t so buggy and if ALK support wasn’t so awful. However, despite the fact I don't test it in a real situation (because of the lack of functionality), Navigon looks as quality made soft and I like its Android integration. It has 30 days trial and at least cost nothing trying it.
When will tom tom release an android version?
Thanks all, good info so far - keep it coming! Nubbin, let us know how you get on trying it out, Sygic looks pretty good.
Somone mentioned Google Maps but my understanding was that it didn't offer turn by turn directions in the UK? I was thinking that having the maps stored locally on the device would also help reduce amount of data sent over the air but this may be negligible?
I quite like waze, the spoken instructions seem better than google navigation but perhaps that is because google isn't properly supported yet.
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Thanks all, good info so far - keep it coming! Nubbin, let us know how you get on trying it out, Sygic looks pretty good.
Somone mentioned Google Maps but my understanding was that it didn't offer turn by turn directions in the UK? I was thinking that having the maps stored locally on the device would also help reduce amount of data sent over the air but this may be negligible?
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There's a patched version somewhere on XDA which allows navigation in the UK/Europe. Search for it, should be in the G1 forum.
iGO on Android
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iGO for Android still is not official and cannot be bought.
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iGO on my THD is by far my favourite SatNav despite it not having Traffic Updates in the UK. I asked the question about iGO My way 8 for Android on PocketGPSWorld a few days ago. MaFt was able to provide an answer. Apparently Navngo (which is a Hungarian company) is only providing "white label" Android software to OEMs, thus Samsung can install it on the Galaxy Spica and probably where it's been lifted from to be made available to the community via illegitimate routes. Though there are other methods of getting software sold to Android owners, as proven by Sygic, PGPSW surmise that their chief reason for not making it available is that Google ban apps in Android Market from East European countries.
I wrote to Navngo but typically didn't get a response (I NEVER do!) and I also wrote to HTC about whether in the absence of their SatNav partner, TomTom, on the Android platform they'd consider providing iGO instead. I did get a timely response from them but it was utterly useless ...a stock reply saying they cannot provide support for this third part application ...DUH!! That wasn't the question I asked!!
Anyhow, reading comments about iGO My way 8 on the N1 it seems that, though it runs, the GUI has only been formatted for the Galaxy Spica's 320x480 resolution and so only appears in the top corner. My recollection is that this was the case on the THD too before the theme developers got hold of it and reformatted it. Not too long later Navngo released it for the THD looking exactly the same as the developers work.
...iGO still doesn't have traffic updates in the UK(*) though - and they wouldn't reply to the email I sent them about that either!
*iGO only accepts traffic updates via RDS-TMC (no GPRS) and RDS-TMC in the UK is an encrypted, OEM subscription only service thus it's only available to TomTom owners and OEM fit in-vehicle SatNavs, and isn't received by HTC's on-board FM radios either so requires an external receiver (i.e. RoyalTek). RDS-TMC is free and freely available in Europe. I daren't suggest to HTC that they provide support for it in future - I don't know what response I'll get!!
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Nubbin, let us know how you get on trying it out, Sygic looks pretty good.
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Had a bit of a drive with the phone stuck in the cup holder. Used Sygic and CoPilot and both worked extremely well. No visible lag to either, and very nice smooth scrolling of the maps. in fact the little blue pointer was spot on even at higher speeds. Clearly the fast CPU in the Desire works well in making the map refresh. The maps are very clear and easy to read. If anything it works better than a dedicated PNA such as a TomTom.
I really need a proper car cradle now. Any ideas, anyone?
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Thanks for that info! I really didn’t know that iGO does not support TMC in UK and I was regretting about recent PNA buy, because it has not a TMC receiver. Even I considered changing it for that.
Anyway, I have tried “leaked” version on my current device and since it has 320x480 screen there is not a problem with resolution. But actually I weren’t very impressed from iGO for Android. It requires a huge amount of free internal memory and with Qualcomm 512MHz it was very, very sluggish. In addition this is the “My Way” version, which is not so features rich as 8.3.x.
However, iGO for WinCE/WM remains the best Sat Nav solution in my opinion. It's much better than garmin, tom-tom, navigon, ndrive, sygic and all others, in terms of features, customization, speed, interface, reliability, speed cameras alerts and routing. I'm still hoping that they are going to improve the Android version as well, because I prefer not to carry different devices for every single task
Can I use my Co-Pilot Live 8 License from my old HD2 on a Android phone?
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Can I use my Co-Pilot Live 8 License from my old HD2 on a Android phone?
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Another user on the forum said he did exactly that; contact the company and they 'transferred' the license.
i wont upgrade to WIN CE 5 \ WM 5,6,6.5...
how i do that please help me....
any one??
pleaseeeee =\\\
you should seek for a special Navigation-Devices forum. (just google.)
As PNA's only have the Kernel of WinCEX.XX, the System is dependent on the Software you use. (ie Navigon, iGo, Tomtom, NavGear, Destinator, etc) In most cases, you can upgrade a pre-installed Softare to a newer Version. (which mostly brings new features or support for more recent maps)
There may be some rare occasions where (due to hardware-restrictions) you can not upgrade your PNA and have to live with old maps as newer maps need the newer software.
i once had this problem at an old Compasseo running Destinator 6. it was not able to upgrade the software to version 7 as V7 used higher requirements like screen-res and ram.
There are some german forums, where you can get more information :
http://forum.pocketnavigation.de/index.html
or even a link to a forum that offers maps, upgrades and some hacks (where you sometimes can use another Navigation software on a certain device)
http://www.digital-eliteboard.com/forumdisplay.php?f=189
both links are german, but from that point you may find information, you need.