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As you all know, the new batch of Desire for Telus will come with SLCD.
androidpolice.com/2010/07/15/htc-desire-headed-to-canada-on-telus
I'm not from Canada so just wondering should I wait for SLCD to available worldwide or just grab the current AMOLED.
The main concern of mine is AMOLED with pinkish issue.
Anyone can tell me which is better ? Please to explain to me as I'm totally don't have any knowledge regarding SLCD & AMOLED.
Many thanks
kelvintan said:
The main concern of mine is AMOLED with pinkish issue.
Anyone can tell me which is better ? Please to explain to me as I'm totally don't have any knowledge regarding SLCD & AMOLED.
Many thanks
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I think it comes down to personal preference. I kind of like the AMOLED screen, and mine has a very soft neuance of a pinkish hue. But nothing that is annoying or anything. The SLCD is as you know the secondary preference of HTC, but it seems to be as good as the first choice..
I genuinely think if I wasn't a member of this forum and read pretty much everything about the desire, I wouldn't have noticed the pinkish tint to grey colours... That's just me, it really isn't bad and certainly not a deal breaker. For how often that colour even shows up, its not worth concerning yourself about. If you want AMOLED over an SLCD screen which I think is probably wiser seeing as it was HTC's first choice then get one now.. All I can say is the screens beautiful and full of colour, not having seen SLCD screens I can't say if it will be any different but unless its an improvement, then get an AMOLED one
Nit3m4re said:
I genuinely think if I wasn't a member of this forum and read pretty much everything about the desire, I wouldn't have noticed the pinkish tint to grey colours... That's just me, it really isn't bad and certainly not a deal breaker. For how often that colour even shows up, its not worth concerning yourself about. If you want AMOLED over an SLCD screen which I think is probably wiser seeing as it was HTC's first choice then get one now.. All I can say is the screens beautiful and full of colour, not having seen SLCD screens I can't say if it will be any different but unless its an improvement, then get an AMOLED one
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Can't agree more. Haven't seen a SLCD live but I really like the shiny colors and this is enough reason for me to choose AMOLED over lcd I really don't care about the slight pink effect and anyway it's almost gone in 2.2.
I'm really happy with my desire
Regards
If you don't notice anything wrong with the screen on a Desire with amoled screen then don't bother with the canadian version.
Some people are just more geeky and uptight about these things.
Personally the oversaturated colors was the first thing I noticed when I saw the phone in a shop without having read about the issue on the internet.
Amoled: The colors is punchier and fuller, the blacks will be deeper.
This sounds really good and most people dont find the oled on the desire bad
at all. Because of the type of amoled they used on the desire the screen wont
seem as sharp as a hvga screen should be. If you want to see amoled screen
done right, check out the samsung omnia hd, just perfect.
Lcd: The colors arent as full but after having had a tp2 for 6 months i think it looks really good anyway. Any lcd screen with hvga resolution will appear alot sharper than the one on the desire. Also i found while the colors werent as deep as on a oled i found the color spectrum to appear wider than on desire. Dont know if thats true that just the way it appears to me and what I prefer.
The Slcd they will use on the canadian Desire will be a lcd with a
ips panel. ips panels arent normally used on cell phones but alot of
graphics artists use them on lcd monitors when doing photo work.
I think theyre supposed to show colors more accuratley than
tn or pva panels.
I know the viewing angles on them are really good,
like 160 degrees. The downside has been that they don't have quite as
fast response time as tn or pva panels but it isnt a big deal if youre
not a twitch fps player.
Also, I read that SLCD drains more power than AMOLED.
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Also i found while the colors werent as deep as on a oled i found the color spectrum to appear wider than on desire.
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It is a contradiction. If colors are deeper then spectrum is wider. Amoled can display colors which LCD can't, and which doesn't even exists in any normal (sRGB) picture
abvmoose said:
The Slcd they will use on the canadian Desire will be a lcd with a
ips panel.
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Can you share a source of that info?
phentex said:
Also, I read that SLCD drains more power than AMOLED.
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If you have two horses, one drinks 5 liters of water per day no matter what is doing, and other drinks 2 liters doing nothing and 10 if runs all day in full gallop, which one drinks more?
Consider you need additional 200 liters everyday to clean them and stables. Does it matter at all which one drinks more?
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It is a contradiction. If colors are deeper then spectrum is wider. Amoled can display colors which LCD can't, and which doesn't even exists in any normal (sRGB) picture
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I don't think that the colors are deeper and the color spectrum or color space is the same thing, maybe im wrong. I found the colors the desire screen showed were deeper, by deeper i mean more intense and fuller, as one should expect from a oled display. To me, the colorspace didnt seem as wide as on my tp2's lcd screen. That's my personal impression of it. It could be because of the pinkish hue wish also might add to the oversaturation of some colors. I found the color red specially to be oversaturated wich gave me the impression of the colorspace not to be so wide.
It's true that Amoled can show more colors than lcd, at least when oled
is done right.
Can you share a source of that info?
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You know what, im not sure that I can. I was pretty sure that ive read somewhere that S-lcd is the buzzword for Samsung's and Sony's joint venture for creating newer generation lcd displays with ips panels.
But now that I look for it im not so sure. I was certain i read an post on Engadget where they clearly stated that it was ips panel but I cant find that now.
There is one source vaugley explaining it here:
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-for...ft-lcd-from-amoled-due-to-shortages-20100625/
But it says:
"But, the big question is: what is Super TFT LCD? Well, you’ve actually heard of it before, because it has a nickname that’s come up recently in the news (after the announcement of a certain tablet). Super TFT LCD’s nickname is IPS. Which, yes, became “famous” thanks to Apple’s iPad tablet. It provides a wide viewing angle, and provides very clear images — even if the colors aren’t as “distinguished” when compared to an AMOLED display."
But the source of those news is:
http://www.oled-display.net/the-sma...tc-must-switch-the-display-from-amoled-to-lcd
Wich really doesnt say anything about being an ips panel
If the SLCD is even vaguely readable in direct sunlight, go for it. Because the AMOLED isn't, I don't care what people claim.
If it's an IPS panel, the I'd be very tempted to give 'SLCD' a try.
But whenever I pick up another phone since getting my Desire I notice the muddy, bleeding blacks that OLED eliminates.
It's official now. Wondering any review which is better..
youtube.com/watch?v=gY6qpnoziZM
Google chose to stop selling Nexus One instead of putting LCD monitor to it.
This decision says a lot.
fadasma said:
Google chose to stop selling Nexus One instead of putting LCD monitor to it.
This decision says a lot.
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Sorry, but I don't think the AMOLED shortage had *anything* to do with Google shutting up shop on selling the Nexus One!
Regards,
Dave
tomek_fcb said:
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That video kinda makes me feel good about having an AMOLED screen.
There's no screens named SLCD. S-LCD is the COMPANY that makes the screens wich will replace AMOLED-screens on HTC DESIRE. S-LCD is a joint venture between Samsung and Sony. According to wikipedi, S-LCD makes S-PVA panels (wich is even worse than IPS). The video showing the "new" screen on desire is clearly a S-PVA panel.
janroar said:
There's no screens named SLCD. S-LCD is the COMPANY that makes the screens wich will replace AMOLED-screens on HTC DESIRE. S-LCD is a joint venture between Samsung and Sony. According to wikipedi, S-LCD makes S-PVA panels (wich is even worse than IPS). The video showing the "new" screen on desire is clearly a S-PVA panel.
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Patterned vertical alignment and super patterned vertical alignment (S-PVA) are alternative versions of MVA technology offered by Samsung's and Sony's joint venture S-LCD. Developed independently, they offer similar features to MVA, but with higher contrast ratios of up to 3000:1.....
PVA and S-PVA offer the best black depth of any LCD type along with wide viewing angles. S-PVA also offers fast response times using modern RTC technologies.
Source: Search Wikipedia for TFT LCD
I've had a new HTC Desire with S-LCD in my hand for a while, along with my old Amoled one.
It's surely a lot better than my old LCD (Touch HD).
What impressed me is the clarity of the display, the whites, the good contrast compared to old LCD and the fact that (I think) the phone is lighter.
Of course blacks and contrast are miles better on amoled.
But where it failed me, is better readability in direct sunlight. It's more or less the same as amoled, which is (for me) average. I can live with that, but I expected the S-LCD to compensate more for its shortcomings.
All in all, I feared worse, but I would take amoled any day.
according to my box, I have the amoled screen.
Must say I'm pleased with whatever it is !!
hey guys, I just got my Desire (loving it).
I got it without it's box. I know it's probably a stupid question, but I did a search on this, couldn't find an answer. How can I tell whether its SLCD or AMOLED?
my HBOOT version is 0.83, I noticed most SLCDs come with this version or 0.92, but its not enough for me to tell.
Any idea?
Thanks
hey, there is one way to check, the slcd screens use backlight which remains on when the screen is on. if you get a complete black picture, pure black picture, on the amoled it should look like the screen is off but if u got the slcd you can still see the backlight behind the lcd.
hope this isnt a stupid answer
still new to all this
yewthanasia said:
hey guys, I just got my Desire (loving it).
I got it without it's box. I know it's probably a stupid question, but I did a search on this, couldn't find an answer. How can I tell whether its SLCD or AMOLED?
my HBOOT version is 0.83, I noticed most SLCDs come with this version or 0.92, but its not enough for me to tell.
Any idea?
Thanks
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http://antondnagy.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/how-to-tell-if-your-htc-desire-has-slcd-or-amoled-screen/
thanks guys!
I'll tried to see how the screen is in total darkness (camera) still it wasn't really clear as it seems dark enough for me, no grayish stuff. However, I'll try to magnifier thing posted in the link above tomorrow.
Many thanks!
The Amoled screen will have matrix of visible dots about an 1/8 to a 1/4 inch apart on the unpowered screen if viewed at the right angle. The SLCD does not. How do I know ? I bought the 3rd one sold at the store on release day and just bought 2 more a week ago. They are different.
vinee9 said:
hey, there is one way to check, the slcd screens use backlight which remains on when the screen is on. if you get a complete black picture, pure black picture, on the amoled it should look like the screen is off but if u got the slcd you can still see the backlight behind the lcd.
hope this isnt a stupid answer
still new to all this
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no it's the best way to check
Also you can simply look at the keyboard. If all the letters are perfectly clear, its an slcd. If it looks as if its an lower resolution and unclear you have the amoled
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Mine is slcd and isn't clearly visible in sunlight, .... amoled more clearly you can see?
You can also look on the box, if it says 3.7" touch sensitive screen, it is slcd, if it says 3.7" amoled touch sensitive screen it is amoled
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FYI - Can HTC tell whether your phone has an AMOLED or SLCD screen?
Short answer:
No.
Longer answer:
I bought my phone from Orange and thus the box comes Orange branded. Therefore, it doesn't say on the box whether than phone is AMOLED or SLCD (referred to as multitouch or something like that). I contacted Orange who haven't got a clue and just told me is AMOLED by reading their stock description. I contacted HTC UK and gave them the serial number of the phone. They said that at this present time there was no way for them to decipher whether I had an AMOLED or SLCD screen. There may be in the future but at the moment there is not.
The one bit of interesting information HTC could provide is that 90% of their stock is AMOLED and 10% is SLCD.
The reason I looked into this is because I can't really tell from the videos online what screen I have. There are some murmurings that all SLCD phones are bootloader 0.83 (what I have) but unfortunately not all 0.83 phones are SLCD.
http://pocketnow.com/android/how-to-tell-if-your-htc-desire-has-slcd-or-amoled-screen
Already read that. And I'd say it's actually pretty difficult to tell unless you have their exact screenshots.
And a magnifying glass!
The box for mine said "3.7-inch touch-sensitive screen", but it has the 0.75 HBOOT, so I really need to find a magnifying glass to check it.
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Already read that. And I'd say it's actually pretty difficult to tell unless you have their exact screenshots.
And a magnifying glass!
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If it's so hard to tell why bother?
It really is easy to tell
Go into a dark room and go into the settings menu (which has a black background colour). If the black is lit at all or slightly grey, you have SLCD. If it is totally black (and I really mean no light at all) you have AMOLED. I have both and it really is easy to tell them apart in by the contrast of the settings menus, not so easy otherwise.
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Go into a dark room and go into the settings menu (which has a black background colour). If the black is lit at all or slightly grey, you have SLCD. If it is totally black (and I really mean no light at all) you have AMOLED. I have both and it really is easy to tell them apart in by the contrast of the settings menus, not so easy otherwise.
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that's not entirley correct. I have Amoled, and even in a dark room, it's not 'totally' black.
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If it's so hard to tell why bother?
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Because there are some rooting methods that require you to know whether you're on SLCD or AMOLED... Having said that there are workarounds but it would be nice to know which method before I start.
As for the dark room idea, I'll try it. Thanks.
I'm 99% sure mine has an AMOLED screen because the bootloader was 0.80 (before the 2.2 upgrade)
My box didn't mention AMOLED on the box (so it could have been either)
One thing I have noticed is that a block of white against a darker background appear to have a slight pinkish toothcomb on the left edge of the white block (eg the HTC clock widget that's usually on the main home screen.
I believe this is a sign of the pentile arrangement of pixels that you get in the Desire's AMOLED screen.
ie:
****
****
Without a magnifying glass though its difficult to be certain.
Do what I did:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7257878&postcount=10
Take a picture of the phone with a macro zoom camera. The pentiles become easily distinguishable.
i had both amoled and slcd side by side and all i can say is that the difference is huge...
if open your browser and set text size to large and than browse to xda forums... with amoled you won't be able to read clearly without zooming in, but on slcd you will be able to read and see everything clearly..
other than that amoled is brighter and has more contrast but slcd has a lot more clearer picture, that is easily visible when you put two phones side by side
for me slcd is a lot better.
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i had both amoled and slcd side by side and all i can say is that the difference is huge...
if open your browser and set text size to large and than browse to xda forums... with amoled you won't be able to read clearly without zooming in, but on slcd you will be able to read and see everything clearly..
other than that amoled is brighter and has more contrast but slcd has a lot more clearer picture, that is easily visible when you put two phones side by side
for me slcd is a lot better.
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A work colleague has just received his Desire and one of the first things he did was compare it to mine. He has an SLCD screen and I have AMOLED. When placed side by side the difference is gobsmackingly obvious. On the SLCD text appears far smoother, although the colours do appear to be washed out.
I agree that the SLCD is better, but I will say that I am more than happy with my AMOLED screen.
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that's not entirley correct. I have Amoled, and even in a dark room, it's not 'totally' black.
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Ok, I exaggerated a little. I actually have an AMOLED Legend and an SLCD Desire. Just for my own sanity I checked again and the Legend AMOLED screen does have totally 100% blacks, even in a completely dark environment. I assume an AMOLED Desire would be the same and hence as easily identifiable.
If you think about it, AMOLED will always produce complete blacks as each pixel is not even powered for black output. The light you report to see on an AMOLED screen can only be explained by reflection. If your screen emits light from 100% black areas then you have SLCD.
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Well,one easy way is to put it next to your computers monitor while it shows a black image.The phone should be in the settings menu.If both seem about the same colour,you have an SLCD.If the monitor's picture seems grey while the phone's is pitch black,it's AMOLED.
I hope it helps those who don't have two devices to compare.
I have both the AMOLED and SLCD Desire. It's a clear difference. Mine has no bleeding around the edges. But It's clear to see the SLCD when the Call screen is on. The AMOLED is a lot blacker where as the SLCD is more gray than black.
The colours are also a lot more vibrant and alive on AMOLED, the SLCD looks washed out. The brightness is also higher on AMOLED.
You dont need magnifying glass. Droplet of water on screen will do.
I will be getting a Desire tomorrow or the next day and I don't know whether I'll get AMOLED or SLCD, so I want to know, are their quality worlds apart? Would it really make a difference to have either one of those? Is one better? How does both of them compare to iPhone 3GS's screen?
To the average person both are very very similar and you would not notice a difference without knowing there was two sorts of screens.
Chances are you won't get a choice of which to get, it just depends what is in stock.
Stat wise SLCD takes it on paper as being the best, but only marginally.
Honestly it really doesn't matter which you get, unless you compare two devices side by side you won't even know.
Because of the pentile matrix on the AMOLED, I would go with the S-LCD. The AMOLED is said to be over saturated in dark environments, and unable to read in the sun. I'd rather have balanced colors inside and readable screen outdoors. Also, the S-LCD have a real 800x480 resolution
Had both side by side for a while.
They are absolutely equal in bright sunlight. That said, people suspect that some amoled screens come out of the factory better than others.
Blacks, contrast and bright colours are absolutely better on the amoled
Bright whites and overall colour balance is probably a bit better on S-LCD
Pixel smoothness and small text readability is a bit better on S-LCD. That said, after you have amoled for a while you will realize that unless you keep your nose touching the screen, your vision will process the amoled screen the same way as the S-LCD. Takes some time though.
Battery usage: we made -accurate- -measured- tests, of the battery drain in milliamperes/milliwatts. They came out very close, the main difference is obviously that amoled display is optimized for displaying dark stuff. Overall I think you save a bit of battery with amoled, but anyway the results were that:
- on low-medium brightness (inside) amoled is almost always better. If you are displaying all white screen, they are closer
- on medium brightness it depends on what you are displaying (light vs dark) but there is not a lot of difference, although amoled tends to save a bit more
- on high brightness (outside) amoled almost invariably drains more than S-LCD, except when the screen is very dark. When displaying almost completely white screens at max brightness, amoled loses big time compared to S-LCD, but that is the only situation where this big difference happens.
One last noticeable difference is colour temperature, but that also varies from handset to handset. Amoled tends to be a bit on the warm side (at least on mine) and S-LCD on cool. The old 'problem' of the pinkish tint is gone with the froyo update, those few displays still affected by it could be counted as defective.
Oh and by the way, here almost invariably if the box doesn't say 'amoled' you are getting a S-LCD screen. I have to admit I was very surprised at first by the quality of S-LCD and mistaken it for a differently calibrated amoled for some minutes. Blacks are good, but not close to amoled, if you go into a dark room you should notice
My Desire is rooted and I've installed the AuraxTsense 8.3 Rom.
The Desire of my GF is'nt rooted.
We note a very big difference in the brilliance color: the white is a little bit yellow on my phone and in general, with the same settings, my phone is less brilliant.
Should this caused by the rom?
thank for all the suggestion
No, it's the difference between AMOLED and SLCD screens.
how can I check this? is there any "code" or whatever similar to recognise?
No code, as far as i know you have to do it visually.
Read this, I think the best way is to check how the pixels are aliened.
Another alternative: show a black image in fullscreen and darken the room. If you cant see your phone it's AMOLED as black = real black. if you can still see the screen and it's just very very dark you have SLCD.
A bit more technically speaking: on an SLCD screen the illumination comes from the backlight which is always on and "filtered" out. Unfortunately that can not be done completely - every TFT monitor has exactly the same problem. On an AMOLED screen black means no illumination hence no light.
dang. i dont know that desire got two type of screen. live in the hole so long.
sean707 said:
dang. i dont know that desire got two type of screen. live in the hole so long.
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the original version of the desire was shipped with the samsung amoled screen, after samsumg realised they had an awsome mobile screen they decided to "F" HTC in the "A" and tell them they couldnt produce the amount HTC wanted, so HTC went back to the Sony S-LCD screen
Or simply look at the box, if it says "3.7 inch AMOLED touch-sensitive screen", you got AMOLED, and if it says "3.7 inch touch-sensitive screen", you got a SLCD.
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Or simply look at the box, if it says "3.7 inch AMOLED touch-sensitive screen", you got AMOLED, and if it says "3.7 inch touch-sensitive screen", you got a SLCD.
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That's weird. My box says 3.7 inch touch-sensitive screen. However, when I compared it to the desire HD's slcd display, it shown all traits of AMOLED.(true black etc.) Wonder why is that so?
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Hi.
Before anything. I don't have the original screen of this DESIRE.
I have the phone, I know it works because I can use Screencast with it and it makes sounds when I turn it on. It works 100%.
But since I don't have the original LCD I don't know If I have to replace it with an AMOLED LCD or with SLCD screen.
1-. These are not interchangeable, right?
2-. S/N is SH08GPL03124 P/N is 99HKZ041-88 , it's PB99200 T8181 EU Desire.
Best Regards.
For me it says on the box.
http://184.72.239.143/mu/59498a86-75ee-c9c6.jpg
Have you got the box? If it's amoled it will be written on it. I doubt a slcd could fit an amoled and viceversa, so even if the screen has been replaced it will still be of the same kind it was shipped with. If you can't find the box then you can still tell wether it's amoled or not by simply looking at something black on the screen: if it's amoled black colour isn't displayed, so it's the same as when it's turned off. Otherwise if you have a slcd black will look less intense, more bright.
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For me it says on the box.
http://184.72.239.143/mu/59498a86-75ee-c9c6.jpg
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Sadly I don't have the boy either...
I have the phone disassembled if it helps.
http://antondnagy.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/how-to-tell-if-your-htc-desire-has-slcd-or-amoled-screen/
This is how I test if my desire was amoled or SLCD. Firstly we must understand one of the amoled's feature which is "True black". This means the black color displayed on screen is extremely strong.
So, go to your room at night and switch off your lights. Click on settings page. You should see like as if the white texts are floating on air with a slight tinge of your hand's figure. Since the settings page, applications menu page is pure black, the blackness must be strong enough that it will blend in with pitch dark.
On SLCD however, its a different story. If you try SLCD with the above scenario, you can see a back ground lighting effect. You cant miss it. And the black color is not as strong as AMOLED's. Colors on AMOLED are more vibrant and strong compared to SLCD. However on SLCD, pictures look sharper because pixels are more dense per dot.
There is a youtube video that demonstrates exactly what I explained above. Placing two HTC desire (one AMOLED , and one SLCD) side by side for comparison. Search in youtube for AMOLED vs SLCD OR place "d5daNfccSiA" on the youtube link replacing the text after ?v=
Thanks for the answers...
I don't have the box and I don't have the screen of the phone! It was cracked and the last user removed it and dropped it to the trash.
Is there any way to know with only the serial number or manofacture date?
Best Regards.
Yes there is, if your device is manufactured before 27 July 2010, and if you did not purchase it as 2nd hand but from a retail store.. it is most likely that your device is AMOLED.
Read HTC announcement : here. HTC stopped using AMOLED in their phones and was announced on 27th July 2010. However it will take some time for retail stores to finish their old AMOLED stocks before selling the newer SLCD stocks. You can estimate from here...
Hope this helps answer your question
Put a drop of water on the screen to magnify the pixels. If you can see pink "teeth" around the edges of the pixels then your display is AMOLED. These are what cause the AMOLED screens to have a pink-ish hue to them.
jordan.harris01 said:
Put a drop of water on the screen to magnify the pixels. If you can see pink "teeth" around the edges of the pixels then your display is AMOLED. These are what cause the AMOLED screens to have a pink-ish hue to them.
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MGA2009 said:
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I don't have the screen of the phone! It was cracked and the last user removed it and dropped it to the trash.
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Read the thread before instead of posting useless things.
din89pm said:
Yes there is, if your device is manufactured before 27 July 2010, and if you did not purchase it as 2nd hand but from a retail store.. it is most likely that your device is AMOLED.
Read HTC announcement : here. HTC stopped using AMOLED in their phones and was announced on 27th July 2010. However it will take some time for retail stores to finish their old AMOLED stocks before selling the newer SLCD stocks. You can estimate from here...
Hope this helps answer your question
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Thank you very much.
My screen was Sony Super LCD.
Best Regards.