Background:
I regularly use my TP2 (Vodafone 6.5 stock ROM-for now- running TF3D) as a SatNav unit running TomTom 7.
I use Gyrator2 to auto-rotate TomTom & other apps incl Manilla
While doing this, I like to keep the device in landscape mode (it then looks like a stand-alone TomTom unit but with added bling haha!)
When actually driving I also use a BT Headset (although I dont think this is part of the issue)
Problem:
When I receive an incoming phonecall or press the phone button with TomTom running in landscape mode, a strange thing happens.
First, TomTom reverts to portrait, even thought the device is in landscape. Then the phone is displayed, also in portrait. When I hang up the call, the display reverts to TomTom, which is still in portrait.
This means I have to manually rotate the device to portrait & back to get TomTom to re-display correctly in landscape, OR leave the phone permanently in portrait mode so the phone doesnt muck up the display (which kind of negates the point of having a g-sensor!)
Observation:
1) I tried changing from Gyrator2 to ChangeScreen in case it was Gyrator that was the issue: ChangeScreen has a nifty 'vibrate' to tell you it is rotating the screen. Assuming the device is in normal portrait mode, I can press the SEND key & the phone comes up as normal: pressing 'X' at the top right returns to the TomTom screen again as normal.
However, when I press the phone send key when in landscape mode, ChangeScreen causes the phone to vibrate madly for a good second or 2 instead of the small buzz it usually does for a screen rotation, as if it is busy fighting whatever setting is trying to force the device into portrait: briefly part of the phone screen is displayed before it vanishes again returning me to the TomTom screen.
At the moment I will have no option to return to Gyrator2, but that also exhibits this strange "forcing into portrait" effect when I press SEND key or an incoming call is received. (but at least it DOES display the phone screen, albeit such that I have to turn my head sideways!)
2) if I extend the keyboard, thus forcing the device to work in landscape, I can smoothly open the phone, straight into landscape, no glitches, all working perfectly; and when the phone app is closed manually or automatically TomTom smoothly returns, again in landscape, as it should.
Questions:
Is there a way of "kidding" the TP2 I have the keyboard slid out when I dont, in order to force the phone to display correctly, OR does anyone know if a simple registry edit will prevent phone from trying desperately to force the device into portrait mode before displaying?
On my old Kaiser I had screen rotation mapped to a spare hardware key. OUr TP2's only come with ONE hardware key, which I have set to MSVC. is it possible to create a 'screen rotation' shortcut similar to what was found on my old Kaiser?
If it's of any help, I have noticed this odd effect with both the Vodafone 6.5 & generic HTC Euro 6.5 ROMS (device is HardSPL'd)
I used keyboard config to map a doubleclick to screen rotate. That way I have more control.
I went to my local AT&T corporate retail store to try the Tilt 2 again because the first device I tried at another store seemed slow and not responsive. I had a similar experience this time around too. But I have to believe that most of that can be chalked up to the fact that it has the stock ROM on it and also every noob in the world has messed with it inside the store. But it did leave me with a few questions.
I could not get the screen to go landscape unless I flipped out the keyboard. And when I pushed the keyboard back in it would go back to portrait even though I was still holding it landscape. Is this a setting somewhere? I thought the Tilt 2 had a true accelorometer.
When in the browser I would touch in the URL line and start typing out a www address. But every time i would get a few letters into it and another text field would open at the bottom and start intercepting my typing. Anyone know what that is?
While the Tilt2 is equipped with an accelerometer, TouchFLO itself is not designed to re-orient itself in landscape using just the accelerometer.
That being said, some applications do go into landscape mode when you turn it with the keyboard closed. The Windows Mobile SMS application, some versions of Opera, and other various apps. Otherwise, to "force" landscape the keyboard needs to be open (or use some 3rd-party app/tweak).
Also, out-of-the-box, the stock ROM is actually pretty responsive and fast. Its one of AT&T/HTC's better built stock ROMs out there. Of course there is always room for improvement. I suspect the slow/unresponsiveness is due to the fact that its a demo unit thats already been messed with.
As for the additional text field in the browser, I have no idea what that is. Only thing that pops up normally during normal browser usage is auto-complete that makes URL suggestions.
ChasDun said:
I could not get the screen to go landscape unless I flipped out the keyboard. And when I pushed the keyboard back in it would go back to portrait even though I was still holding it landscape. Is this a setting somewhere? I thought the Tilt 2 had a true accelorometer.
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You can use G-Config (available here on xda) to add programs (including TF3D and the Start menu) to the sensor database. Works great!
I have mapped one of the hardware buttons (long press on the answer key) to rotate the screen. Find it better than auto rotate depending on the orientation.
Have had my new Sprint TP2 for a couple of weeks now, really enjoying it. First "smartphone" for me, figured it's time to join the 21st century.
Biggest issue so far:
When putting the phone into a holster, it comes out of sleep mode (display comes on) - no, I'm not hitting the Power key when I do this. Something here doesnt seem right, but that's what happens...
At that point, on occasion the Dial key may get hit while in the holster (I can understand this, it's a hardware key) - which if the key kets tagged 2x while out of sleep-mode does a pocket dial to the last number called/received.
My original fix to this was to enable the password lock. While a PITA to unlock the phone every time, I'd rather do that than pocket dial. HOWEVER, when running an output only app (such as Google Maps or Navigation) the phone keeps going into lock mode and asking for the password - NOT a good situation while driving down the road...
So my question(s) are:
1. Is there a way to keep the phone from exiting sleep mode while entering a holster?
2. Is there a way to keep the phone from locking up and requesting a password during apps such as Navigation?
(I found this thread while searching, but still un-answered... [Thread 614599; vBulletin wont let me post the URL...)
Thanks in advance for any help!
Jim
This is a completely stock phone, no mods (so far...) other than a couple of applications added (Google Mobile apps, WSOP Poker).
The first question I have for you. Is the case/holder specific to HTC TP2 or is it generic and originally designed for a blackberry?
I ask this because no matter what blackberry case i've ever tried, they always bring my phone out of sleep mode. The reason is the magnet in the case that is designed to put the BB INTO sleep mode.
The case is specific for the Sprint TP2, from ThinkTouchPro2.com. It's the [HTC Touch Pro 2 Naztech Kaskade Vertical Pouch Case - Black], since I still cant post a url... well, I guess I can fake one:
thinktouchpro2.com/htc-touch-pro-2-cases-7462.html
It's definitely the magnet that's doing the trick. The phone comes out of sleep mode just as it starts to go into the case, so it's not a function of hitting any buttons.
Somehow I got into the habit of hitting the power button to put it to sleep before going into the holster, SOOOO thinking maybe it's a 2-way deal I tried leaving the phone awake and putting into the holster - no dice, still awake.
Test 2 was to put the phone into the holster, and then force to sleep. Removing it wakes the phone up, that I'm cool with. But I'm still left with the issue of pocket dialing whenever I use the holster...
Maybe the best solution would be to go to a non-magnetic holster?
Jim
that would be it.
The device uses a magnetic switch to tell it when you slide the keyboard out. So by pulling the device in/out of the case the magnet is triggering the switch leading the device to think you've slid out the keyboard and it should wake up.
I think Advanced config has an option to disable the device from waking up when the keyboard is slid open.
Actually I believe it's the magnet on the stylus, it doesn't have anything to do with the sliding function.
There was a solution for this somewhere around the forums.
If I'm not mistaken, removing the "wake up when keyboard is out" setting, solved the problem with cases that have a magnet.
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Actually I believe it's the magnet on the stylus, it doesn't have anything to do with the sliding function.
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my laptop uses a magnet to secure the screen when i close it and if i slide my tilt2 across where the magnet is with the stylus in or out, the device wakes up and goes into landscape for a second then switches back to portrait.
dont think the stylus magnet would cause it because the stylus is still in the device and the magnet is securing it in. I think it has another sensor in the stylus slot and just uses the magnet to suck it in because on older devices (wizard) the stylus would go loose, but then again those devices didn't wake when the stylus was removed.
fone_fanatic said:
my laptop uses a magnet to secure the screen when i close it and if i slide my tilt2 across where the magnet is with the stylus in or out, the device wakes up and goes into landscape for a second then switches back to portrait.
dont think the stylus magnet would cause it because the stylus is still in the device and the magnet is securing it in. I think it has another sensor in the stylus slot and just uses the magnet to suck it in because on older devices (wizard) the stylus would go loose, but then again those devices didn't wake when the stylus was removed.
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Ah, I see. Interesting!
fone_fanatic said:
... if i slide my tilt2 across where the magnet is with the stylus in or out, the device wakes up and goes into landscape for a second then switches back to portrait.
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BINGO, think we're onto it as I've seen this behavior as well.
I've poked around looking for this, but the closest I've found is the "Keyboard Sliding Sound", but there's not an option to kill the wake-up function. Can someone point me in the direction of the "Advanced Config"?
Jim
So why not use pocket sheild? It has a 15 sec timer on it, so if you put it in your holster and it "wakes up", after 15 seconds it will turn the phone off again if there isn't any action done on it. Use it to only turn on with the light sensor when you pull it out of you pocket or a finger swipe from top to bottom. Also, you can tell it what apps that it cannot go into sleep mode on.
aj48198 said:
So why not use pocket sheild?
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That's actually on my list of apps to take a look at, but for a different reason. I'd still like it to not come on at all, as the pocket dial I made was well w/in the 15s timeout for PS.
Ok, so the search originally didnt work for me because I didnt realize it was the magnet causing the wake-up. Knowing that now, I found the registry change I need to make in another thread.
Now for the total noob quesion:
How do I get into the registry to edit it?
I gather Total Commander is the popular tool of choice, and now have that installed. But my searches keep coming up with various tweaks to MAKE in the registry, but not how to GET TO it. I was unable to find this in the TC docs, either...
Thanks for the patient assistance to a WM noob.
(tho I'm a .Net programmer, so not a complete ijit - unless you want to hold being a .Net programmer against me, which I really couldnt blame you for - but it beats the heck outta COBOL...)
Jim
PHM Registry Editor. I would have posted a link but I don't have enough posts to do so!! Just google it and it should come up I got mine off of freewareppc com
Pocket Sheild will not let anything happen what so ever. Unless you physically make it happen, it will do nothing but sit there at the unlock screen waiting for input. If nothing happens, the screen will go back into sleep mode. Check the website out, that should help you make your decision easier. You can change the timer to be 10 seconds as well but I think that is about as close as you can get beside turning the phone off!!
SailCO26 said:
Have had my new Sprint TP2 for a couple of weeks now, really enjoying it. First "smartphone" for me, figured it's time to join the 21st century.
Biggest issue so far:
When putting the phone into a holster, it comes out of sleep mode (display comes on) - no, I'm not hitting the Power key when I do this. Something here doesnt seem right, but that's what happens...
At that point, on occasion the Dial key may get hit while in the holster (I can understand this, it's a hardware key) - which if the key kets tagged 2x while out of sleep-mode does a pocket dial to the last number called/received.
My original fix to this was to enable the password lock. While a PITA to unlock the phone every time, I'd rather do that than pocket dial. HOWEVER, when running an output only app (such as Google Maps or Navigation) the phone keeps going into lock mode and asking for the password - NOT a good situation while driving down the road...
So my question(s) are:
1. Is there a way to keep the phone from exiting sleep mode while entering a holster?
2. Is there a way to keep the phone from locking up and requesting a password during apps such as Navigation?
(I found this thread while searching, but still un-answered... [Thread 614599; vBulletin wont let me post the URL...)
Thanks in advance for any help!
Jim
This is a completely stock phone, no mods (so far...) other than a couple of applications added (Google Mobile apps, WSOP Poker).
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I think this is what you need:
1) this is a magnet holster issue -- FIX: from wmexpert touch-pro-2-tip-fix-cases-magnets-issue-registry-fix *attached Cab
2) To stop certain apps from locking automatically I use S2U2 *zip attached (Slide to Unlock) there is a list of applications that you can set not to lock when active. I use this for GPS navigation for example. showthread.php?t=527523
You can set a password with this or not as you wish. You'll like it.
Keep in mind that the one sideeffect of the magnet fix is that the phone will not automatically unlock on opening the keyboard. You have to hit the power button. Personally I don't have any problem with this.
aj48198 said:
Pocket Sheild will not let anything happen what so ever. Unless you physically make it happen, it will do nothing but sit there at the unlock screen waiting for input. If nothing happens, the screen will go back into sleep mode. Check the website out, that should help you make your decision easier. You can change the timer to be 10 seconds as well but I think that is about as close as you can get beside turning the phone off!!
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well he is making it physically happen, but unintentionally. The magnet in the holster is waking the device up by making it think the keyboard has slid open, then the call button is being pressed against the case causing the device to place a call.
as i stated earlier, its best to disable wake-up when keyboard is slid out which is provided in a cab in the post right before this one.
Thanks aj and fwp, I think I've got it now.
Backed into a copy of the PHM RegEdit, and the slide fix worked great! No worries about the kb not waking the phone up, never used that function anyway.
Re the S2U2 app and preventing lock during some apps, does PocketShield also do this - or would I need to run both to keep GPS apps alive?
Thanks again!
Jim
fone_fanatic said:
well he is making it physically happen, but unintentionally. The magnet in the holster is waking the device up by making it think the keyboard has slid open, then the call button is being pressed against the case causing the device to place a call.
as i stated earlier, its best to disable wake-up when keyboard is slid out which is provided in a cab in the post right before this one.
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I get that, and if the cab fixes the issue, thats great. What I was saying was that pocket sheild will not unlock at all, be it the keyboard slid open or the stylus came out, unless you program it to do so. I just tried to make it unlock by sliding the keyboard open and the only thing it did was go into landscape, still locked tho.
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I get that, and if the cab fixes the issue, thats great. What I was saying was that pocket sheild will not unlock at all, be it the keyboard slid open or the stylus came out, unless you program it to do so. I just tried to make it unlock by sliding the keyboard open and the only thing it did was go into landscape, still locked tho.
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ahh ok, not familiar with that app and thought you were saying that it would wait for an input (i.e. buttons pressed) for a set time, and if nothing happened then it would lock the device after a set time period.
SailCO26 said:
Thanks aj and fwp, I think I've got it now.
Backed into a copy of the PHM RegEdit, and the slide fix worked great! No worries about the kb not waking the phone up, never used that function anyway.
Re the S2U2 app and preventing lock during some apps, does PocketShield also do this - or would I need to run both to keep GPS apps alive?
Thanks again!
Jim
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PS does do that (preventing lock during some apps) You just have to tell it when you are in the settings.
Thanks for all the great info! Have the phone "safe" now, but will be looking into PocketShield as the next app.
Jim