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Position sensor or something?

Ok, it seems there is a position sensor in TyTN (correct me if I'm wrong). When my phone is in its case on my belt and it's turned on (usually by a call), it's rotated (as if the keyboard's open). It takes too long time for it to rotate, and I can't answer the call until it rotates back to normal. So my question is, can this sensor be turned off, or is there other thing, that makes the screen to rotate and eventually how can I solve the problem? Thanks in advance.
P.S. I'm useing Schap's ROM, but the problem existed in the official rom, and the Black rom, and the official WM5 rom

no position sensor that I know of and I have never had this problem :s

[email protected]™ said:
Ok, it seems there is a position sensor in TyTN (correct me if I'm wrong). When my phone is in its case on my belt and it's turned on (usually by a call), it's rotated (as if the keyboard's open). It takes too long time for it to rotate, and I can't answer the call until it rotates back to normal. So my question is, can this sensor be turned off, or is there other thing, that makes the screen to rotate and eventually how can I solve the problem? Thanks in advance.
P.S. I'm useing Schap's ROM, but the problem existed in the official rom, and the Black rom, and the official WM5 rom
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Yeah, there is a position sensor on the hermes. It's a magnetic sensor that detects whether the keyboard is open or not.
The problem is most likely your case. I've heard of issues like yours. The magnetic snap on the case fools the hermes into thinking the keyboard is open.
I don't believe that there is a fix to bypass the sensor, as it is hardware. But I may be wrong. If not then you might need to look at another case that uses velcro or something.

intrglctcrevfnk said:
Yeah, there is a position sensor on the hermes. It's a magnetic sensor that detects whether the keyboard is open or not.
The problem is most likely your case. I've heard of issues like yours. The magnetic snap on the case fools the hermes into thinking the keyboard is open.
I don't believe that there is a fix to bypass the sensor, as it is hardware. But I may be wrong. If not then you might need to look at another case that uses velcro or something.
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ah now that would make sense, i never use that stupid case that comes with it, they are really ugly! so that would explain why i never noticed it.

My wife came up with a great solution when I had this poblem (standard case causing phone to start in landscape) - turn the phone the other way round! Now I have the screen facing my belt and the phone is ALWAYS in portrait when I get it out.
Sounds silly, but try it - it works!

Yep, that's a sollution, but there is one other detail. There's no other position I can plug the earphones .

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Yep, that's a sollution, but there is one other detail. There's no other position I can plug the earphones .
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Solution..... Bluetooth Headphones.

It appears to be a magnetic switch...
Your case must have a strong magnet on it, I can't get it to effect the switch if the phone is completely closed. Only if I have it partially open.

GldRush98 said:
It appears to be a magnetic switch...
Your case must have a strong magnet on it, I can't get it to effect the switch if the phone is completely closed. Only if I have it partially open.
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I have exactly the same problem. Also, my phone is NEVER put into standby before closing the keyboard.
I'm going to try storing it with the screen facing towards my belt.

I simply use Brando case and HTC BT S-100 headset. and never have a problem with phone starting in landscape.
http://www.boxwave.com/images_bw/products/thumbnails/dlc_htc_tytn_frtbck_lg.jpg

FINALLY... WHAT YOU HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR
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shlomki said:
I've come to notice that no one REALLY knew how to fully disable screen rotation on WM devices.
Some offered 3rd party apps to get the job done, some only knew how to disable automatic rotation, but when the device went into standby and woke up again - the screen rotated back. So that didnt really work.
So if you're as desperate as i was about screen rotation,
this is what you need to do:
1. Get dotfred's free taskmanager HERE, and run it.
2. Go to "Devices" tab, and look for "MIS1:" device (oem_misc.dll)
3. Long-Tap on it, and tap on "Stop"
4. Long-Tap on it again, and now choose "Set Manual"
5. Go to "Notifications" tab, and look for "Notifications\NamedEvents\VCPowerWakeupEvent"
6. Tap on it to make it selected
7. Disable it
(In dotfred's taskmanager, there should be a button for disabling it, but for some reason some devices couldn't see the button icons, although the buttons are still clickable. Under the notifications list there is an empty light-blue line - the buttons are there, eventough you can't see them.
The disable buttons is somewhere i the middle of that light-blue line, just tap the center until a message box popps up and asks if you'd like to disable this notification - Tap on yes.)​All those steps are a one time deal - they stick even after an SR.
This has been tested on htc universal and works great.
The screen will keep its orientation even if you flip your screen, take out your built in keyboard, or turn the device off and back on.
The only time your screen will revert back to the original orientation is when you soft reset your device.
Hope this helps
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Confused Stu said:
My wife came up with a great solution when I had this problem (standard case causing phone to start in landscape) - turn the phone the other way round! Now I have the screen facing my belt and the phone is ALWAYS in portrait when I get it out.
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It's also the way to receive less radiation in your body, because the GSM antenna is pointing away from your waist.
GldRush98 said:
It appears to be a magnetic switch...
Your case must have a strong magnet on it, I can't get it to effect the switch if the phone is completely closed. Only if I have it partially open.
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I can, and I used a Tesla-meter to measure them:
in-between the two magnets of the case and the lid, there are around 150 mT (Millitesla) which is pretty much!
for comparison:
a usual horseshoe magnet would have 1 mT, the magnetic field of the earth has about 0,05 mT!

Tilt 2, magneticly switched screen?

It seems the magnet on our old kaiser cases make the tilt 2 screen turn on. We figured it out with a little help from the att sales guy cause the wife was getting pissed that every time she put the phone in the case, the screen turned on.
Cant seem to find any info about it, why it does this. Forget the sales people at the store. They dont know jack
I am also lookng for something that tells what the indicator lights should do. We get a solid left light for charge and a flashing left light for unread anything.
Though there should be a blue flash when blue tooth is enabled,
Judging by the kaiser,

Effects of Magnet on TP2
Yes I have Telstra model TP2 and i can confirm this behaviour as well with a case with magnetic clasp.Also I find that passing it by the magnet will also make TP2 go from portrait mode to landscape .I t can be very annoying because even locking TP2 makes no difference

It due to the keyboard sensor. The phone thinks you are sliding out the keyboard.
There is a patch to disable that "feature" (First thing i do when i install a new ROM)

Is it that or the stylus sensor?

Here's video...
To see this happening, here's a little video of the magnetic effect
http://www.blogologie.be/2009/06/htc-touch-pro-2-en-magnetisme.html

NearDenver said:
It due to the keyboard sensor. The phone thinks you are sliding out the keyboard.
There is a patch to disable that "feature" (First thing i do when i install a new ROM)
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Do you have a link for this patch?

yes, please link us to the patch.

here's the post I used (key info below, not much else in the actual post): http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=1093353&postcount=37
reg edit to disable the ''Slide Wake Up''
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Hardware\DeviceMap\Keybd] Create new dword "SlideWakeup" with value of 0 and soft reset.
To revert, delete the key or set it's data to 1

Hmmm, if thats the only way to stop the magnet problem, im not sure i am willing to do that. I like the slide to wake up thing.

well, the other way is a non-magnetic case

I just tried the above reg edit on my TP2 and it did indeed work as described on my unit.Thanks a lot eknutson

Just as an FYI, many if not all HTC devices with slide-out keyboards are like that. My Apache did it, my Kaiser did it, my TP2 does it.

It appears that the OEM case has a magnetic clasp (I just ordered an AT&T Tilt 2, which does not come with a case). Does the magnetic clasp on the OEM case cause the phone to turn on?

I would think a magnet is a magnet. OEM with magnets should see the same result.
I turned on my keyboard sound and ran the magnet over the tiny keypad and i heard the keyboard slide sound while the screen turned on.

I cannot reproduce it in my European pro 2. Am I doing something wrong, or is the case magnet too weak?
(I have lost the original case, and I have an EASECASE with 2 magnets now...)

carhigh said:
It seems the magnet on our old kaiser cases make the tilt 2 screen turn on. We figured it out with a little help from the att sales guy cause the wife was getting pissed that every time she put the phone in the case, the screen turned on.
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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Hardware\DeviceMap\Keybd] Create new dword "SlideWakeup" with value of 0 and soft reset.

ButtonBoy said:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Hardware\DeviceMap\Keybd] Create new dword "SlideWakeup" with value of 0 and soft reset.
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Thanks for this reg edit....worked perfectly for me. I am a bit bummed I lost the wake to slide feature but the magnetic clasp is more important to me then a velcro case thus I'm willing to lose the wake up feature....thanks.

I tried this on my Tilt 2 and my magnetic case ans could not reproduce the issue. Maybe my magnets are too weak. Seem it may not be an issue for everyone.

True, the magnet issue may not be an issue for everyone - but it also applies if you open the keyboard just a tad while it's locked.
This was problematic for me when the phone was set to wake when the keyboard opens - it'll bypass the lock application (at least it did for me w/ my setup). Adding the reg value prevented me from accidentally unlocking the device when I'm trying to grab it out of the case - which while fumbling around you may tap the wrong part of the screen and can ignor an incoming call

Well, i have thought about this a little more. I am thinking, WHEN the heck do i grab my phone (while its sleeping) and pop the keyboard out to wake it up .... NEVER
I never slide the keyboard out unless there is a reason. ONLY when i am using the programs or get a notifacation. When i get a notifacation, the screen turns on, so ...
I guess i will be turning off the slide to wake after all, since i come to realize it is a useless feature to me anyways.

Any way to keep screen off all the time until top power button pressed?

More than half the time I take my phone out of it's case in my pocket to check texts or call somebody, it's always on and eating battery. Alot of the time I have the phone in vibrate or silent because I can't have it going off most of the day, and whenever I get any kind of notification the screen comes on (text, alarm, call, ect.), and then the screen ends up staying on because it's constantly being bumped and never has the time to shut itself down.
Is there any way I can make the screen stay off at ALL times (except on an incoming call), and ONLY come on when I press the unlock/power button on the top of the phone?
I have a TMobile TP2 and I'm running the Nov. 19th, Photon Energy ROM. Upgrading to the Nov. 27th version when it's done downloading but I don't think that will fix the problem as I've changed ROMs before. Thanks to any help.

you will find that when in the case it should be off, on taking the phone out of the case (i assume the HTC one that came with the phone?)
the magnet in the case triggers the keyboard sensor which turns the screen on.
otherwise, you can change the display time out in power options under settings.
Cheers
Steve

That's interesting, I've heard about the case doing that but never thought about it. Would you recommend any cheap cases, or is there a specific magnet location I should be careful of? And do you know if there is a way to keep the screen off when I get a text message for example?

There is a way to fix this... it is to disable "Wake on Slide." I have done this and no more problems.
Here is a link to what to do:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2945249&postcount=3
Hope it helps you, as it did me.

Thanks for the reply and I appreciate the help, but I don't really have a problem with the wake on keyboard slide, it seems that if the phone is in my pocket locked, and I get a text message, the screen comes on to notify me that I have a text message. Then, it's usually being bumped around in my pocket and since the touch screen is usable with any object, it will stay on because something will tap it in my pocket. The phone then heats up over time and drains battery. I want to find a way to keep the screen off at all times unless, I either receive a call, or push the power button. Thanks.

illusion of progress said:
Thanks for the reply and I appreciate the help, but I don't really have a problem with the wake on keyboard slide, it seems that if the phone is in my pocket locked, and I get a text message, the screen comes on to notify me that I have a text message. Then, it's usually being bumped around in my pocket and since the touch screen is usable with any object, it will stay on because something will tap it in my pocket. The phone then heats up over time and drains battery. I want to find a way to keep the screen off at all times unless, I either receive a call, or push the power button. Thanks.
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Try:
go to HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL
change DisableSMSWakeUpEvent to 1 (0 will wake up the device)
On my Rhodium, it does not wake up by default. I hear the notification, but my screen remains dark
Or try this cab file ... soft reset after install

Thanks for the .cab, I'm restarting now to see if it fixes the problem. Kind of random, but I might as well ask here before starting a new thread. I started using Mobile Shell instead of TF3D and so far I love it, but when setting a wallpaper, the wallpapers that I would normally use in TF3D, (480x800), it makes me select or crop out part of the photo to use as a background in Mobile Shell. I can't tell if it actually gets blurry (I would think so, because it's stretching the picture), but does anyone know why it wants me to only use a certain portion of the background instead of just setting the entire picture? Thanks,

More than likely, the version of Mobile Shell you have is either not designed for WVGA or there is a setting somewhere in there that allows you to change it and you haven't found it yet.
Am not a expert on mobile Shell, but according to their website, the latest version (3.5) does support WVGA.
Another option is to, if you have Adobe Photo shop or something similar, scale down the entire picture to the size it reccomends.
Otherwise, if you have a version earlier then 3.5, maybe you could upgrade and see if it makes any difference.

Clock Lock

Hello, I wasn't able to find anything but does anyone know of any settings or a program that will lock the clock on the home screen. The phone unlocks in my holster or pocket and i always hit the clock and keep changing the time.

Random thought/stupid question. I assume that you are using the built in "lock" and not just turning the screen off correct? I know others have had problems with a magnetic latching case activating the "you pulled your stylus out sensor." It shouldn't be a problem with you keeping your phone in your pocket, but if it's just in the case when this happens try getting a case that uses something other than magnets as the catch.

Personally I love this little gem:
Smartlock
After you install it, you can find it under Settings > System. You can set it to lock the screen when you push the power button, when it fades out by itself, even when someone calls you. Very handy.
Also you can install this one here to make the lockscreen look alot better:
Dusk 6.5 lockscreen
I use both and I'm very happy with it

mhurg said:
Personally I love this little gem:
Smartlock
After you install it, you can find it under Settings > System. You can set it to lock the screen when you push the power button, when it fades out by itself, even when someone calls you. Very handy.
Also you can install this one here to make the lockscreen look alot better:
Dusk 6.5 lockscreen
I use both and I'm very happy with it
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Thanks mhurg, I will try both of these.

brad_wp said:
Random thought/stupid question. I assume that you are using the built in "lock" and not just turning the screen off correct? I know others have had problems with a magnetic latching case activating the "you pulled your stylus out sensor." It shouldn't be a problem with you keeping your phone in your pocket, but if it's just in the case when this happens try getting a case that uses something other than magnets as the catch.
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Actually i just wanted something in general. Just cuz the clock doesnt need to be changed all the time and i always hit it and it always goes into the clock settings or my alarm clock settings.

Good luck =)

the only way to change the behavior of this is to mod the lua file that controls it!! usually not fun or easy to do

torint said:
Hello, I wasn't able to find anything but does anyone know of any settings or a program that will lock the clock on the home screen. The phone unlocks in my holster or pocket and i always hit the clock and keep changing the time.
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Create an unlock password and it will not unlock in your pocket or holster. Problem is that without a password, the phone will unlock when it thinks the keyboard is slid out. It can think this if 1) keyboard is slid out 2) phone come in close proximity with a magnet (some holsters have magnetic covers)

Phone answers itself when removing from pocket

I keep my desire in my shirt pocket with screen facing my body. The problem is touch screen seems to work through my shirt, so when the phone is ringing the motion of me removing the phone pulls down on the lock and answers the phone.
Is there anything that can be done to reduce the screen sensitivity so it doesn't work through my shirt touching my skin.
Thanks

Yeah have the screen facing outwards LOL.

put it in a case for protection too like the pdair pouch or the sena ultra slim pouch

stitch a layer of thick material e.g. denim, onto the inside of your shirt pocket

Dude, its android (freedom). Change your lockscreen to something else
I think the app is called lockboot.
It should give you the option of default android lock, or iphone lookalike lock, or a few others...
Anything that unlocks with a side swipe instead of a down swipe should fix your problem.
Regards -e
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Sorry mate, i was a bit quick. Only one "o"; "Lockbot". I havent tried it yet though, but since it changes the lockscreen i assume it changes your answer swipe too...

I don't like having the screen facing outwards so that's a no no.
The thing is I like the default lock screen and didn't want to make my phone look like a iphone copy, was hoping I could reduce the sensitivity of the touch screen.
I will look at some other lock screens hopefully there are some that don't look too iphoneish
Thanks

I totally agree with the iphone unlock being ugly, but I do think the default android lock is nice, and it has a right angle swipe...
Dunno about the sensitivity change, reckon that might affect the whole phone. But someone here in the forum can probably offer some advice. Good luck.

so you have you phone in your shirt pocket, when you pull it out it unlocks, so you have the phone bottom down.
if you put it bottom up then when you pull it out of your pocket the touch will make it slide from bottom to top which will not unlock it right? there is your solution.
+ there is the possibility of making the "phone pull out motion" very cool when you pull it out with the bottom up.

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so you have you phone in your shirt pocket, when you pull it out it unlocks, so you have the phone bottom down.
if you put it bottom up then when you pull it out of your pocket the touch will make it slide from bottom to top which will not unlock it right? there is your solution.
+ there is the possibility of making the "phone pull out motion" very cool when you pull it out with the bottom up.
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That would probably trigger automatically setting the phone to busy and disconnecting the call or forwarding to voice mail, I think that's what sliding up on the lock screen does.

How about dont put it in your shirt pocket?

hungabunga said:
I don't like having the screen facing outwards so that's a no no.
The thing is I like the default lock screen and didn't want to make my phone look like a iphone copy, was hoping I could reduce the sensitivity of the touch screen.
I will look at some other lock screens hopefully there are some that don't look too iphoneish
Thanks
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LockBot have many lockscreens, iPhones, Nexus One, Eris, .. you can even make your own customized lockscreen in that program, pretty nice, have a go at it, its worth it

EroThraX said:
That would probably trigger automatically setting the phone to busy and disconnecting the call or forwarding to voice mail, I think that's what sliding up on the lock screen does.
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Thats right, this way i have cancelled 4 out of 5 recent phone calls.
The default screen unlock in the Desire is the most stupid i've ever seen. If you put your phone upwards in your pocket, you answer all calls by grabbing your phone from your pocket, if you put it in upside down, you cancel the call automatically.
If only 1 engineer at HTC called another with the phone in his pocket, they would have noticed this. It's 'HTC quietly stupid' on this one. I have installed Lock 2.0 for now, but will keep looking for a better solution.

Can't turn it upside-down as it will then reject the call. will give the lock app a go later tonight.
pwhooftman if you find a good lock app then please let me know.
thanks
Sully
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just installed lockbot, well work the few pounds and now have flan style unlock which requires a more precision touch to unlock.
Sully

Having recieved a call while using lockbot I still have the same problem.
When using lockbot and you recieve a call the phone unlocks itself and I see the slide to answer desire screen which was my initial problem.
It looks like I need to replace the slide to answer bit rathe rthan the locking sceen.
Can somebody who has lockbot confirm that you still get the slide to answer even with lockbot in use.
Thanks

hungabunga said:
Having recieved a call while using lockbot I still have the same problem.
When using lockbot and you recieve a call the phone unlocks itself and I see the slide to answer desire screen which was my initial problem.
It looks like I need to replace the slide to answer bit rathe rthan the locking sceen.
Can somebody who has lockbot confirm that you still get the slide to answer even with lockbot in use.
Thanks
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I had the same experience. Lock 2.0 gives me a iphone like left to right slider for unlocking. When i receive a call , i get the (traditional) green "answer" and red "Deny" buttons. So no unlock slider when receiving a call, but onscreen buttons which are far less accidentally pressed.

No Lock
I had this preoccupation also and installed the No Lock app. This way I also get the green/red buttons.

I gave up on lockbot as the phone would not fully go to sleep mode, I could wake it pressing any key.
Gone back to the standard lock screen for now and I just take the phone out of my pocket very carefully.
Sully

Im switch from WinMo to Desire and Im very angry because my every call when I take phone from case(case which came with TyTnII and phone is horizontal position) is droped. Im prety shure that I do not touch screen with finger on hand, because I take phone on top and bottom and take it out from case.
This is realy annoying...

I've sent HTC an e-mail to, at least, make this problem known. Maybe they will put an anti-pocket screen lock in next firmwares.
I've used the No Lock app to disable lock. Unfortunately it possible to wake the phone by pressing any key.
Is there any application that disables screenlock but locks the keys (besides power, off course)?