AT&T trying to dump inventory? $.01 Tilt2. - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General

Looks like Windows Mobile is about to be dead on AT&T.

well, part of the reason is that winmo 7 is about to come out sometimes end of the year so it's only make sense that they are dumping these phones. Also with newer and faster phones released, it's time for them to dump the older phone.

paid nearly full price for mine this past week...

Bbasso said:
paid nearly full price for mine this past week...
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Many carriers have a 30 day return option, no questions asked.

Not anymore....there all sold out already!! I think they may have been $.01 because they didn't have a camera according to the AT&T website.
From description on AT&T:
"HTC Tilt(TM) 2 (Non-Camera)"

Why would I want to return mine?
The Tilt2 I got has a camera...

Amazon
Check Amazon - I bought my Tilt 2 from them about 3 months ago for $0.01. At that time the cheapest AT&T had them for was around a $100.

I got mine off of eBay for $175 no contract in early July. It was refurbished by AT&T and had the screen saver sticker on it. So far looks a functions like new.
I'll now have problems since I posted this.

I think it is WM that they are getting rid of. I just used my parent's upgrade to get the Tilt2 for $0.01.
While I was there, I did some comparing of prices. All of the WM phones were that same price. The Androids were more of a typical upgrade price.

Tilt 2
Been using my 8125 forever, I was thinking of the Tilt2.
Didn't know there was a version without a camera.
The web site shows no activation fee too.
Should I wait?

jcterry said:
I think it is WM that they are getting rid of. I just used my parent's upgrade to get the Tilt2 for $0.01.
While I was there, I did some comparing of prices. All of the WM phones were that same price. The Androids were more of a typical upgrade price.
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Yup, the sale is on WM devices. When I go to ATT's website, and go to Shop>Cell Phones & Devices, there is an ad for "Window Mobile 1 cent sale". They still have the Samsung Jack and Tilt2 (with camera) on sale. It also lists the HP Glisten and LG Expo, but shown as "sold out".

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Should I wait?
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I wouldn't. Like redpoint73 said, the HP and LG were sold out. I think it won't be long until the Tilt2 is sold out also.

I upgraded my line less than a month ago to a 3GS so that I could sell it to pay for a Nexus One. I logged into my account a few days ago and it let me order a Tilt 2 for free as an upgrade......less than a month after upgrading already It's shipped and arriving tomorrow. Now I just need to decide if I'm going to sell it brand new or keep it and play around with some of the great Custom Roms from XDA!

I just bought my current tilt2 months ago, and ATT just let me upgrade my phone right now. I just got myself another tilt2 for $18.01!!! Ebay here I come!

I got mine for $.01 and it has the camera

After a three year hiatus from this site and almost a two year blackberry bender, I'm back to windows mobile with the $0.01 HTC Tilt2
I would of liked an android model but my corporate plan doesn't support them yet.

Ordered mine today (8/4/10) for .01 as well, went back to check on status of order- said they were on back order. When I went to check my upgrade options all the prices of everything had gone back up, and Tilt2 w/Camera said sold out. I've been waiting awhile to order this thing and finally caught a break, if this whole thing goes south... well I guess I won't be too upset but what the heck! I'll just save up and order an unlocked HD2

I got mine 2wks ago for $99.99. I called yesterday to get them to price match. They would only take it down to $9.99 instead of $0.01.. I didnt feel like arguing so I'm now waiting to see the credit show up on my cc.

Mine has a camera, was a .01 and HTC is giving me $100 for my old....old...SX66

KentuckyGunGuy said:
Mine has a camera, was a .01 and HTC is giving me $100 for my old....old...SX66
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are they still running that promo? I got rid of an old working tornado and got 100 bones for it as well

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Price Guesstimates

Hi All,
Finally gonna leave my hermes for a new machine.
What quotes have you guys been finding online or at shops for the Rhodium?
Online, I saw a US site pre ordering at $749.99 and a UK site preorder at £517.95
http://www.inkino.co.uk/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2753
Also http://www.expansys.com/ is quoting the t-diamond 2 for £411, so maybe its going to be just below £500?
hopefully the recession will help htc to price it lower
no one wanna play guesstimate?
ok att version $500 when it comes out and then $300 with several discounts and contract ****. wait wait $499.99 and $299.99 us loves to think that makes it less LOL
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ok att verzzzion $500 when it comes out and then $300 with several discounts.
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I second that one. But I must know. What's a verzzzion?
Here's my 2 pence worth
I have been searching and from a UK perspective mobile phones direct have the Pro2 and Diamond2 listed for pre-order.
Their picture of the phone has a free label in the corner.
Judging from what I have seen I am hoping the pricing will be very similar to the HD. If it is then I am going to be as happy as a pig in s***. As soon as the Pro2 is released i'm having one (it also ties in quite nicely to when my contract is up also )
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Coming-Soon/l25.aspx
gavthebarman said:
I have been searching and from a UK perspective mobile phones direct have the Pro2 and Diamond2 listed for pre-order.
Their picture of the phone has a free label in the corner.
Judging from what I have seen I am hoping the pricing will be very similar to the HD. If it is then I am going to be as happy as a pig in s***. As soon as the Pro2 is released i'm having one (it also ties in quite nicely to when my contract is up also )
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Coming-Soon/l25.aspx
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High-end phones seem to be more expensive at the moment with the N97 on Play at a SIM free price of £600.
$299 for Rhodium
$199 for Diamond2
After rebates with 2year contract
When it comes to Sprint in Q3 of this year!
Since the Fuze for ATT was around $350 on release im guessing about the same for the Fuze 2 or TP2 w.e you wanna say lol
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ok att version $500 when it comes out and then $300 with several discounts and contract ****. wait wait $499.99 and $299.99 us loves to think that makes it less LOL
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Where did u find this info?
I have had my HD for about 2 months and will sell it right now and keep my old Kaiser until this phone comes out. Maybe get it from the UK in May when it is due to drop over there.
I think price will be similar to HD when was launched (Hope is less!!)
Price, well it's bad thing. More than 500 euro, less than 750 euro e.g 600-650 euro unlocked, without contract, nobrand....
I read your post quick, the 500 and 300 but then wait wait 499.99 and 299.99 I dunno what it is but it seems..cheaper, its a mental thing or something...LOL..after looking at it I was like its a 1cent difference but mentally that 299.99 seems cheaper than 300, man they have programmed us stores do it too alot of crap is 19.99 never $20
pesok said:
$299 for Rhodium
$199 for Diamond2
After rebates with 2year contract
When it comes to Sprint in Q3 of this year!
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Q4 you mean.
T-Mo
i wonder what t-mobile will want on july 22 when it's supposed to be released
i'm hoping $299.00 with a 2yr. contract existing customer. it will probably be more like $399.00 though
fishwiz45 said:
i wonder what t-mobile will want on july 22 when it's supposed to be released
i'm hoping $299.00 with a 2yr. contract existing customer. it will probably be more like $399.00 though
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I gues it will be free in Holland with a 2 year 40 euro a month contract by T-Mobile and will come down to a 30/35 euro a month contract in a few months.
It is already showing at expansys.co.uk for £524 estimated to be in on the 5th of june
taarmen said:
I gues it will be free in Holland with a 2 year 40 euro a month contract by T-Mobile and will come down to a 30/35 euro a month contract in a few months.
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I'm plannin on gettin it with Vodafone.
1 year contract. 27.50 a month + Data-plan = 37.50 a month, and the first 6 months 20% discount so that would be:
First 6 months 32 euro a month, and last 6 six months 37.50 a month.
And then I need to pay something like 295 euro for the TP2

bought/contract /best deals

as some one who is about to take the plunge and get a TP2 im wondering how people purchased them and what deall they got
if im right they cost £504.85 including vat
best deal to suit me on contract is voda talker £30 + with mobile web
500 mins, 100 text (dont text that much) and unlimited mobile web 18 months @ £34.26 + £616.86
now for that the phone comes with no branding and unlocked, so why just buy it then get a contract is there something i am missing
so whats deals have people gone for and why
thanks for any input
Vodafone 1 year contract, 27.50 € a month, + Unlimited Online Blox
I need to pay 286 extra for the TP2, total is ~650?
Not too bad. Because the the TP2 alone cost 600€. So I can call 200 minutes/400texts a month, for around €50 a year
And I'm getting a free 16gb microSD card from the e-tailer I'm buying it from. Great offer if you ask me.
Best deals I could find
Hi there,
I posted this on a different page but this is probably the best place for it...
I'm currently talking with T-Mobile and they have told me that they will be getting branded handsets in at the end of the week, personally I prefer a sim free version but it looks like it will be possible by next week to buy them on the network with a lovely discounted rate.
Handtec are selling the phones at £502.40 inc VAT
As I'm a fussy git I've managed to wangle an upgrade through Carphone Warehouse so it will be fully unlocked, sadly they dont have them in stock yet so I will have to wait until the end of the week :-(
For anyone who could do with this phone on a new contract on T-Mobile/Vodafone I urge you to check out www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk as they are doing some amazing deals, I couldnt help but drool, I would recommend the Combi 30 + package, £25 for the phone and £35 per month with web and walk thrown in and a shed load of free calls and unlimited texts.
I hope this info is of use to some of you.
UPDATE - I have cancelled my old T-Mobile contract and gone for the Combi 30 + Web 'N' Walk deal on www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk as it seems the best way of getting the phone with a very useful tarriff.
Cheers guys
Terry
Bought it for 440 euro's. Was a mistake by the retailer. But I'm still getting it for that price (lucky me)
now the prices have changed already
Went with mobile phones direct phone £66 and t mobile £30 a month. best deal for me and the shop is only in southampton so just a 30 min car journey if i have probs.
That's incredibly jammy, which retailer was it?!!
quarintus said:
Bought it for 440 euro's. Was a mistake by the retailer. But I'm still getting it for that price (lucky me)
now the prices have changed already
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Neckermann!
I was doubting if I should buy it there, but thought that it would probally end up in paying 600 for it. As the price is now 599 but it was indeed 440 before.
But it is a pretty sweet deal you got there !
Radio Exists!!
More good news... some very bright spark has found that the radio hasnt been removed and has created a cab for us to use!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521356&page=1
Well done adolfotregosa!!!
@quarintus
quarintus said:
Bought it for 440 euro's. Was a mistake by the retailer. But I'm still getting it for that price (lucky me)
now the prices have changed already
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mx4life said:
Neckermann!
I was doubting if I should buy it there, but thought that it would probally end up in paying 600 for it. As the price is now 599 but it was indeed 440 before.
But it is a pretty sweet deal you got there !
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Hi,
I to ordered with neckerman and have a "confirmation" e-mail for the 440eur. I got no mail as to the price being changed or my order being canceled. I however also did not receive any unit yet nor did i get a shipping confirmation.
I'm pretty sure there is no way to hold me to a higher price.. the other way around however..
How / why are you so sure you will get the unit for the " confirmed" price.. there is some small print discaimer for wrong pricing.
I'd be interested to get my order definitively confirmed to...
Cheers
Arrak1s said:
@quarintus
Hi,
I to ordered with neckerman and have a "confirmation" e-mail for the 440eur. I got no mail as to the price being changed or my order being canceled. I however also did not receive any unit yet nor did i get a shipping confirmation.
I'm pretty sure there is no way to hold me to a higher price.. the other way around however..
How / why are you so sure you will get the unit for the " confirmed" price.. there is some small print discaimer for wrong pricing.
I'd be interested to get my order definitively confirmed to...
Cheers
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Thre are a lot of people who asked confirmation from neckerman (in a dutch ICT forum: tweakers.net). It seems that all people who have paid already using IDEAL get it for the prize they paid. People who asked a transaction form (accept giro in dutch) still have to pay 600 or get their money back.
The product is available in the Netherlands since today, so I expect to receive it pretty soon
(the fact is: people who used IDEAL closed the buying agreement by paying.)
got mine from MPD
£25 for the phone and a 18month contract with vodafone
£34 500 mins 100 text and unlimited web (which is what i want it for )
quarintus said:
Thre are a lot of people who asked confirmation from neckerman (in a dutch ICT forum: tweakers.net). It seems that all people who have paid already using IDEAL get it for the prize they paid. People who asked a transaction form (accept giro in dutch) still have to pay 600 or get their money back.
The product is available in the Netherlands since today, so I expect to receive it pretty soon
(the fact is: people who used IDEAL closed the buying agreement by paying.)
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thanks i'll look on tweakers.net
it kinda sucks, when i ordered IDEAL was not available as an option (it was grayed out)
got mine from mobile phones direct on t-mobile combi 30. £29.15 monthly for 700 mins xnetwork and unlimited texts. phone cost 41.99 and i got next day delivery for free. i already have my main number with flext 35 + web&walk. my mrs was grateful for getting her new line so i got phone!
help/advice please
i am planning to buy tp2 and saw this but it looks too good to be true. the listing says that it is single camera version. is this a true/original htc touch pro 2?
has anybody seen a new tp2 as cheap as this? the seller has good feedback but still i want to be sure and hence seeking advice here.
Looks OK to me. I bought my TP2 from a UK based ebay shop 6 months or so ago, cost me £170 brand new. Mine is the US T-Mobile version, same or similar as the one in the listing you're looking at. There is no front facing camera on these models, also a few other differences to the EU phones, but they are genuine TP2s. Be aware though that any screen protectors or cases you look for will have to be for the specific model that you are getting, the UK ones will not fit, usually. I found a flip case & screen protectors for mine but had to buy from abroad, took about 6 weeks to arrive. As for the device, I couldn't be happier with it, flashed a custom ROM from this forum & all working 100%. Hope this helps, & if you go ahead with the purchase enjoy your new phone!
other specifications
Banzai Panda said:
Looks OK to me. I bought my TP2 from a UK based ebay shop 6 months or so ago, cost me £170 brand new. Mine is the US T-Mobile version, same or similar as the one in the listing you're looking at. There is no front facing camera on these models, also a few other differences to the EU phones, but they are genuine TP2s. Be aware though that any screen protectors or cases you look for will have to be for the specific model that you are getting, the UK ones will not fit, usually. I found a flip case & screen protectors for mine but had to buy from abroad, took about 6 weeks to arrive. As for the device, I couldn't be happier with it, flashed a custom ROM from this forum & all working 100%. Hope this helps, & if you go ahead with the purchase enjoy your new phone!
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are other specifications same as any other tp2?
why would other screen protector not fit? is screen size/shape not the same?
Yes, aside from having no front camera, all other specs are the same. The screen protectors won't fit because the hardware buttons and speaker are different. Also the USB port is moved a little on the carrier specific models I think, so some cases may not fit properly. The T-Mobile version has a different colour scheme and provides access to the SD slot without removing the battery cover.

Hurry Hurry! HTC Tilt2 for USD$200.00. (Revised)

I have a FAN and I just ordered a Tilt2 for $250 with $50 rebate.
Normally FAN phone offers are not as good as the ones offer to the public as the FAN folks gets a discount on their monthly service.
I was trying to make up my mind on a LG Expo or a HTC Tilt2. Both cost me $300. The offer of $100 rebate to Public on LG Expo is not available to FAN folks. The HTC Tilt2 was $350 but with a $50 rebate. That was yesterday! I have been checking both of these phones ever since the LG came out. As yesterday was last day of work, and the offer for rebate is before Christmas. I thought may be I’ll wait a little longer and see if the LG Expo would offer a 100 rebate to FAN customers.
This morning, I locked on to work at home. I just want to check if I could access the ATT Primer Web and saw the Tilt2 went down by $100. Needless to say, I ordered one!
Time is ticking and if folks here have a FAN, this is the window to get the Tilt2. Thought this is such a good deal too good to pass.
(Update)The price drop is good for regular customers and FAN customers.
i got mine about a week ago from letstalk.com and i made 2 cents
It was $198 with a $100 MIR and then sending in my old HTC wizard to HTC for another $100 (you may qualify for this too, head over to http://www.htctradein.com/att/ )
fone_fanatic said:
i got mine about a week ago from letstalk.com and i made 2 cents
It was $198 with a $100 MIR and then sending in my old HTC wizard to HTC for another $100 (you may qualify for this too, head over to http://www.htctradein.com/att/ )
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Thank You! I just gave my Dopod C730 to my son and I am using my back up Treo 650. I was using that to play games. It was in good working condition. I checked that link you provided and I can get a $100. What a deal!
Thank You again!
BTW, I just checked my order and it was shipped from Texas via Fedex. I'll get it by 29th.
Woooo Hooooo!
what is fan
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what is fan
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Foundation Account Number
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/enterprise-reference-guide/introduction.jsp
http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/Foundation_Account_Number
I just checked ATT Wireless. The discount is also for regular customers not just for FAN customers.
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I just checked ATT Wireless. The discount is also for regular customers also not just for FAN customers.
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yeah did the same maybe ill go to the store and see if they have it for that price also and pick up instore instead of waiting for it by mail.
blopez24 said:
yeah did the same maybe ill go to the store and see if they have it for that price also and pick up instore instead of waiting for it by mail.
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Usually online deals aren't available in stores and when you talk to someone in the store they'll tell you the same thing.
I've read some posts about people talking to the manager in getting them to match and sometimes beat the online price but i've had no luck in doing this with the Tilt 2 and previous devices.
Plus i live in Texas and it didn't take 2days to get to me without paying extra for shipping
fone_fanatic said:
Usually online deals aren't available in stores and when you talk to someone in the store they'll tell you the same thing.
I've read some posts about people talking to the manager in getting them to match and sometimes beat the online price but i've had no luck in doing this with the Tilt 2 and previous devices.
Plus i live in Texas and it didn't take 2days to get to me without paying extra for shipping
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I've never had a problem gettting prices matches with online prices with ATT going today called and they said the would give it to me for that price actually. Maybe theyre more willing to match in la.
I did a phone upgrade from Fuze to Tilt 2 on December 1st. Price was $349 minus $50 in the rebate card so $299. Just called and complained after seeing the price cut and being (barely) within my 30-day return window and they gave me a $100 credit to my account, dropping my Tilt 2 cost to $199. Now I need to check into the HTC recycle deal and see if I can get $100 for my oldest HTC (an 8125) which would take me to $99 for my Tilt 2. And I'll still have my original Tilt and Fuze as backup phones, and maybe sell my 8525 on ebay.
Amazon have the phone for $99 with free line activation and a $50 gift card plus you can then do the HTC trade in for $100.
i work for an AT&T store and the $199.99 price is across the board for anyone
I got mine from let's talk on black friday weekend for free. without mail in rebate.
Can't you just add a line and get the phone for free, than just terminate the line for $40.00?
Walked into AT&T store here in SoCal on the day after Christmas, and got the Tilt2 for $150 with a $50 rebate ($100 net cost). Have been customer for years, so they gave me some sort of "Premier" discount. Don't know what exactly that is, but I'll take it!
I've been with AT&T a long time and still have the Cingular 8125 which I plan on trading in.
I want to upgrade to the Tilt 2 but will AT&T force me to get a smartphone data plan?
Is there a way to upgrade to a new phone with them touching your existing phone/data plan?

[q] broken kin

I broke my kin two, and as everyone knows.... Verizon doesn't sell them anymore. So they gave me a kin one as a replacement. So my question is: does anyone know where I can buy a kin two besides ebay??
That sucks, man. You might try PDC (http://www.pcdphones.com/our-devices/products/62-pb20zum) as they seem to be the company that manages the devices for Verizon.
When did verizon stop selling the KIN2 because I just bought a KIN TWOM three weeks ago. Have they stopped selling the KIN2 and TWOM or just the KIN2?
SchwassKIN said:
When did verizon stop selling the KIN2 because I just bought a KIN TWOM three weeks ago. Have they stopped selling the KIN2 and TWOM or just the KIN2?
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I don't know when exactly they stopped making them....but i'm surprised that you were able to get one from Verizon :/
With some people wasting them like it was posted on facebook (even "i dropped my kin on the toilet"), and mass replacement, i am beginning to think that the device quantity is getting a lot smaller, and not enough to replace the broken(hardware wise) ones.
Soon we could have several collection pieces.
And no, just ebay here (2 phones, 2 bought there)
I have two, one has a bad screen but the other is perfect. I paid $150 off eBay a few months ago but I'll sell it for $120 shipped if you're interested.
GrandSportX said:
I have two, one has a bad screen but the other is perfect. I paid $150 off eBay a few months ago but I'll sell it for $120 shipped if you're interested.
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Thanks for the offer, but I am going to stick with this kin one for a month and then i'm eligible for an upgrade....gonna get an htc trophy
johnkussack said:
With some people wasting them like it was posted on facebook (even "i dropped my kin on the toilet"), and mass replacement, i am beginning to think that the device quantity is getting a lot smaller, and not enough to replace the broken(hardware wise) ones.
Soon we could have several collection pieces.
And no, just ebay here (2 phones, 2 bought there)
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I have kept mine like a baby lol, full case, screen protector....and Ive never dropped it...
trade?
I wouldn't mind trading my KIN Twom for another basic phone... >_> I got mine last month, right after they stopped selling. I think I got the laaaaaast one...
thats odd...
i thought they stopped selling them 2 months ago. i want a replacement too but i still like this phone even with all its limitations...
Just sold mine on ebay for 55. Hate this phone got the droid 3 and feel like a new man.
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[Q] Any SIM free offers in the UK?

Hi all,
has anybody seen the GN on offer in the UK - sim free?
Broke my HTC and have seen their latest flagship phone has issues, so would rather switch to the Nexus
Thanks in advance
Got mine here a month ago, dont think theres anywhere cheaper.
Mine was a euro version so no uk usb charger but i wasnt bothered,
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Galaxy-Nexu...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1339013801&sr=1-1
Well worth it.
kurtish said:
Hi all,
has anybody seen the GN on offer in the UK - sim free?
Broke my HTC and have seen their latest flagship phone has issues, so would rather switch to the Nexus
Thanks in advance
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I got mine off amazon back in Jan, was easiest/cheapest way to get a sim free phone that I could find here at the time. But it would appear that it's not offered directly through Amazon - just resellers now there. So depending if that's your cup of tea or not, still have that route.
Not sure which carriers offer it still in store - but I believe if you bought outright off Vodafone, they'll give you the unlock code immediately (up to a 7 day wait maybe though?).
O2 policy was a year, and I think 3 might've been three months.
Pretty sure its not stocked in most stores in the uk now,
I got mine from the reseller Top T through amazon and they were very good, dispatched and delivered within 3 days. Free delivery also.
Thanks folks.....
I'm gutted. I almost bought the white one on ebay the other day, but opted for the HTC One X (this was before I read the bad reviews) and the bugger ripped me off with my cash.
So waiting for Paypal to get my refund sorted.
The white one on ebay was new and only went for £227
Would you recommend it?
Only because I could upgrade early with Orange for about £300 and get the S3?
I'm just not keen at all on that touchwiz poo,lol
That sucks, i like the onex but i have heard some bad things about it.
Just a personal thing but i'd never buy a phone from ebay anyways.
Grab the Gnex from amazon for £316 and you'll be happy
Edit: SGS3 is a beast, i've played with one and the touchwiz isnt all that bad. Plus the custom roms will be coming soon.
Down to personal preference really, i cam from iphone so anythings better!
Yeah, I've heard it's good,lol....
That's why I'm a bit undecided
Argggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Decisions, decisions!
I would go for the nexus, buy it outright then you're not going into another long contract, if you dont get on with it down the line you still have an upgrade to use and you can sell your nexus.
That's what I was thinking....
They're all going to start competing with quad cores now and in a few months the SG3 will be bottom of the list....
Nexus it is....
Thanks for your help!

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