I have currently got a froyo rom with A2sd+.
I wanted to see if the built in app2sd is any good. So i had a app which is 4mb which i transferred by going to manage applications>move to SD.
This has been done but when i go back to the the internal phone memory, its still the same. I would have thought that this would increase?
If you were running A2SD+, the app wasn't in your phone memory to start with, so your phone storage won't change.
Regards,
Dave
Ok thanks, but i thought a small amount of data was still on the phone memory?
When i install an app, the internal memory does go down very slightly.
So shall i keep it how it is or is it worth me moving some apps to the SD via the menu?
/data/data isn't moved on SD card as part of legacy A2SD (stability issues) and Froyo A2SD leaves private data on the phone memory too.
If you are happy with your legacy A2SD setup, there's no point using Froyo A2SD.
Regards,
Dave
Thanks im happy with A2SD+.
I just want to use the method that uses the least amount of internal phone memory.
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Am I supposed to go back and erase all of my apps from internal storage after they are moved to the SD card? If so, how?
I just don't understand why I only have 200MB out of 1GB available. All of my apps are on the SD card now.
What do I need to delete out of the internal memory?
Any help is MUCHO appreciated.
tia
You don't actually have 1GB of usable storage space by default. It's split into partitions, and the user storage is only ~512MB or less (I can't remember how I saw what the internal storage was split up as...)
"ONLY 200MB"
How much do you need?
I get your point. You get the point of my questions though, right?
If you have a fast SD card, you can move the dalvik cache to the SD card and free up another 60 megs or so.
You'll never see most of that gigabyte on your phone. Ever. I think the maximum you're allowed for apps on the internal flash storage is 350 megabytes. Even with Apps2SD, I think the dalvik cache for all of your apps is still stored on the internal memory, which would occupy some space.
I don't know what the heck I'm doing is the problem. Once I figure it out, I'll post some stats for new guys like me.
I've formatted my card correctly. Now I'm just trying to figure out if I'm supposed to wipe my system and reinstall in order for the apps to get "moved over" or not. I'm curious as to whether My Backup Pro or Titanium will "restore" the apps to the SD card now that I'm formatted correctly.
I believe the "moving" is not really moving it happens on install. So yes starting fresh is probably the best way to go.
There is only like 350mb or so of user installable space. Depending on rom it could go up a little but its close.
Also remember, not every single portion of the app gets installed on the SD. Some files still need to be stored on nand, just less. Much less depending on the app.
Just make sure you have a decently fast sd card if you want to move dalvik there. class 6 or better imo. It will work with a slower card but it could slow things down.
Froyo requires ext4 partition btw. Not sure what rom your using.
^^ Thanks for the info. I'm using Fresh 1.0.1, which is good because I don't even know how to make Ext4. I'm using Amon RA to partition and the only upgrade option was from 2 to 3. I didn't see anything about 4.
I'll wipe clean and see what happens.
Oh, one more thing that your post made me think of. The whole reason that I'm doing this is so that I don't have to re-install apps every time I wipe and install a new ROM. I figured that the new ROMs would just find my apps on my SD card.
If this isn't the case then it is not worth it to me. Meaning, if I still have to re-install all apps each time I wipe the device there is no benefit to me.
So: is that the case? Do new ROMs just "find" the apps on the SD card?
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I believe the "moving" is not really moving it happens on install. So yes starting fresh is probably the best way to go.
There is only like 350mb or so of user installable space. Depending on rom it could go up a little but its close.
Also remember, not every single portion of the app gets installed on the SD. Some files still need to be stored on nand, just less. Much less depending on the app.
Just make sure you have a decently fast sd card if you want to move dalvik there. class 6 or better imo. It will work with a slower card but it could slow things down.
Froyo requires ext4 partition btw. Not sure what rom your using.
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Any ideas how I could get my apps onto my 4gig sd card.
I have read the tutorial but in my clockwords recovery mode, there is no option to partition.
The reason for the partition is for adding my apps to my SD card.
Currently I have tons of apps and allot of them slow my phone down.
Should this be the case? I was advised that the way android works is, it auto closes apps when the speed starts to slow down?
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Any ideas how I could get my apps onto my 4gig sd card.
I have read the tutorial but in my clockwords recovery mode, there is no option to partition.
The reason for the partition is for adding my apps to my SD card.
Currently I have tons of apps and allot of them slow my phone down.
Should this be the case? I was advised that the way android works is, it auto closes apps when the speed starts to slow down?
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the linux kernal will close apps when it needs to but that has very little to do with where the apps actually reside.
you need to partition your card with rom manager from the market in order to enable apps2sd( not the crappy froyo apps2sd mind)
copy the contents of your card at the moment to your pc. downlaod rom manager from the market, use it to partition your card with 512mb and 32mb swap. then dowload modinstalllocation from the market, this will allow you to chose where you save your apps too. choose 1 internal( ie the 512mb ext 3 partition for apps2sd you made with rom manager). copy all your content back to your sd card. all your apps should now be in your ext3 partition. if you really want to move apps to the actual sd card main partition, choose location 2 phone with modinstallocation but beware that whenever you mount the sd card those apps wont work till its remounted( its wise not to put widgets on the sd card). to check all this info and make sure apps2sd is working correctly you can downlaod quick settings info from the market and it will give you all the info you need on internal and apps2sd storage on your phone.
Many thanks for your reply.
I have just done as you said and then downlaoded aroudn 4 apps equalling around 20mb.
They seem to be on the sd card and internal.
The size of external has gone down by around 15mb and around 5-10mb has goen down on the internal as well?
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Many thanks for your reply.
I have just done as you said and then downlaoded aroudn 4 apps equalling around 20mb.
They seem to be on the sd card and internal.
The size of external has gone down by around 15mb and around 5-10mb has goen down on the internal as well?
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That is correct. If you are using legacy Apps2SD or Froyo Apps2SD, the Dalvik cache (see here) remains on the internal phone memory.
So, when you install a new application onto SD card, it will consume memory on internal phone memory, though at a lesser rate than if the app was installed on phone memory (in my experience, roughly half the rate).
The only way to "resolve" this is to install legacy Apps2SD+, which also moves the Dalvik cache to SD card.
Personally, I don't do this - what I do is actively manage my applications using Titanium backup. For example, I seldom use certain large apps such as Google Earth, and some games, but I do want to keep them available. So I install them on the phone, and then back them up using Titanium Backup. When storage is low, I will remove them from the phone, but I can bring them back quickly (and without using data) as required.
I don't use legacy Apps2SD+ because I do have several SD cards that I want to be able to swap between quickly.
Regards,
Dave
Dave - many thanks for your comprehensive and useful reply.
What would be the limitation for using Apps2SD+?
From your reply im assuming it would stop me from chaing sd cards?
Essentially yes - you'd need to keep the EXT partition across SD cards in sync, which while not impossible, is more difficult than just copying .android_secure folder from one card to another which I believe should work ok so long as being used in the same phone.
Regards,
Dave
Excellent.
I think im ready to set it all up.
Got two not technical final question for you -
Which rom would you recommend?
I'm currentl with Frost 2.9a however I found Modaco's custom rom to be mroe fruitful with apps/stability.
Which 16gb/32gb sd card would you recommend?
Thanks
mobad said:
Which 16gb/32gb sd card would you recommend?
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I regularly use two 16gb Class 2 Sandisk cards and a 8gb Class 6 Transcend card. To be honest, I've no performance issues with either and my Sandisk cards regular exceed Class 6 minimums. Personally, I see no point paying extra for a large capacity Class 6 or Class 10 card - I may try 720p recording on my Class 6 soon though to see if it improves the framerate, but I doubt there will be much if any difference.
Regards,
Dave
For the App2sd function of Froyo 2.2, I had set default to install the applications to SD card and all the "Move to SD" button can work. However, I find that some application still use up the internal memory, e.g. 10Mbs application can only move 5Mbs to SD card.
May I know any different between the 2.2 App2sd and that of custom Rom?
Is the App2sd of custom Rom (i.e. the one need to create ext2/3/4 on SD card) can move all the whole application to SD card and will not use up the internal memory?
Thanks!
There are essentially 3 forms of A2SD:
1. Froyo A2SD - moves the application (from /data/app) to the FAT32 partition of the SD card. Does not touch the Dalvik cache (data/dalvik-cache) or the application data (/data/data).
2. Legacy A2SD - moves the application (from /data/app) to an EXT partition of the SD card. Does not touch the Dalvik cache (data/dalvik-cache) or the application data (/data/data).
3. Legacy A2SD+ - moves the application (from /data/app) and the Dalvik cache (data/dalvik-cache) to the EXT partition of the SD card. Does not touch the application data (/data/data).
Options 1 and 2 should be pretty much identical in terms of internal storage usage, and option 3 should save the most space.
Anecdotal evidence suggests that any attempt to move /data/data to SD card causes a lot of instability, which is surprising because I would have thought that the Dalvik cache would have been more problematic.
The long and short of it is that there is no way to stop applications from consuming storage if they use /data/data. A prime example is Google Earth, which still consumes a lot of internal memory regardless of A2SD because of the data in /data/data.
Personally, I use Froyo A2SD, with the fusecompress mod to compress the Dalvik cache in internal memory.
Regards,
Dave
kitkit1981 said:
For the App2sd function of Froyo 2.2, I had set default to install the applications to SD card and all the "Move to SD" button can work. However, I find that some application still use up the internal memory, e.g. 10Mbs application can only move 5Mbs to SD card.
May I know any different between the 2.2 App2sd and that of custom Rom?
Is the App2sd of custom Rom (i.e. the one need to create ext2/3/4 on SD card) can move all the whole application to SD card and will not use up the internal memory?
Thanks!
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legacy apps2sd that comes native in froyo, just moves the .apk to the sd card, and not all apps can be moved. apps2sd+ that comes with custom roms, creates a parallel file system identical to that of androids but on your sd card, then points your device to the sd card as the install location, this means alot less space is taken up on your device, some install data is sometimes still stored on your device but for example i have over 200 apps on my desire and some of them are quite large, rockplayer/nfs shift/ 5 or 6 gameloft games ect and i still have over 50mb free
Thanks for your reply, I have a clear concept of these two app2sd now
So i just root my unbranded HTC Desire with Android 2.2 (from holland)
I rooted with the unrevoked method. Link here
I wanted to root because i was in need of ROM, only had 15MB left and everything was already on my SD card installed the normal way.
also with the "forced install to sd" method i was still in need of more ROM.
Like in the post above i just want to have 400 apps installed.
So i need a custom rom.
Now i have notes that if i install a custom 2.2 froyo rom i may have difficulties with bluetooth or fm-radio and maby other problems.
I have also heared about htc releasing source codes and now it should be possible to work around or fix those problems i just mentioned.
anyways I am still n00b in this all and doing allot of research for now. I just want to have a rom that would be the same as what i have now(WORKING WITHOUT PROBLEMS AND NO BUGGES) but with the app2sd in it so that i can have 300 apps and still have free memory.
so could somebody tell me what to do? is there already a custom rom out that works perfect, or i should stick with my rom, or what about OpenDesire
Well hope somebody can help me out with some wisdom.
Cheers and thanks in advanced.
DesireDroid
nobody can help me out?
is there an custom rom that works with fm radio and bluetooth and camera and all and has the htc sense in it?
or should i figure out to make my own custom rom?
DesireDroid said:
nobody can help me out?
is there an custom rom that works with fm radio and bluetooth and camera and all and has the htc sense in it?
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Most custom Sense ROMs are fine.
The "issue" I think you are referring to is that Sense ROMs do not support the Bluetooth HID profile so cannot utilize a Bluetooth keyboard, whereas AOSP ROMs like CyanogenMod do support Bluetooth HID but the FM radio doesn't work.
Having said all that, I'd imagine that 300+ apps is probably an unrealistic target on any ROM due to the data stored in /data/data. It might be possible if the specific apps don't have much of a /data/data requirement, but in general I'd say it was unlikely.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
Most custom Sense ROMs are fine.
The "issue" I think you are referring to is that Sense ROMs do not support the Bluetooth HID profile so cannot utilize a Bluetooth keyboard, whereas AOSP ROMs like CyanogenMod do support Bluetooth HID but the FM radio doesn't work.
Having said all that, I'd imagine that 300+ apps is probably an unrealistic target on any ROM due to the data stored in /data/data. It might be possible if the specific apps don't have much of a /data/data requirement, but in general I'd say it was unlikely.
Regards,
Dave
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k having that said, i was thinking of buying a 16gb microsdhc class 6 card.
but, well i didn't know about the bluetooth HID , still is it hard to build up my own custom rom?
I mean, getting for example my current rom and modding things. or getting an official rom from htc and modding that?
try different roms and see which one is the best. Defrost, Opendesire, Aurax, or http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741775
all of them are great but the best depends on your taste and expectatives.
k making a backup now.
I think i go try http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=768703
I have a 4gb microSD card, so i read that to enable a2sd+ i need to repartition the sd card. can this be done from the phone? i got the clockworkmod recovery.
and shall i make it 1GB so i can install more apps? just thinking crazy.
"is this Rom Manager in the android market?"
I've done a search on the forums here, and haven't been able to come to a solid answer on this... I went completely App crazy and ended up almost filling my Evo's internal Storage. I used sdmove to move whatever apps supported move to SD over to the SD card. Now I have about 68mb of storage left, but I feel like that too will run out quickly.
Will APPS2SD allow me to move apps that don't nativly support Froyo's Move to SD over to the SD card? Would it have any ill effects on the phone?
If it's safe to set up, how would I go about setting APPS2SD up? Do I just partition the card with an ext partition via RA recovery?
DeMiNe0 said:
I've done a search on the forums here, and haven't been able to come to a solid answer on this... I went completely App crazy and ended up almost filling my Evo's internal Storage. I used sdmove to move whatever apps supported move to SD over to the SD card. Now I have about 68mb of storage left, but I feel like that too will run out quickly.
Will APPS2SD allow me to move apps that don't nativly support Froyo's Move to SD over to the SD card? Would it have any ill effects on the phone?
If it's safe to set up, how would I go about setting APPS2SD up? Do I just partition the card with an ext partition via RA recovery?
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that is correct. after you partition your sd card go into terminal emulator and type a2sd check. It will tell you if it is working. Next type a2sd help. That will show you all the commands and descriptions
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Also you can move the davlink cache too the sd card and that frees up a lot of space too.
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stangdriverdoug said:
Also you can move the davlink cache too the sd card and that frees up a lot of space too.
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How does one go about doing that?
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How does one go about doing that?
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Type "a2sd help". This will give u a list of all commands that apps2d has to offer. Type "a2sd cachesd" to move David to your SD partition.
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OK, so I enabled ap2sd, and moved the cache over to SD. WOW, that gave alot of space. Before I moved the cache, I also noticed that my space boosted up to over 200mb. Does this mean all my apps were allready moved over to the SDCard? If so, does that also mean that all my apps will be installed to the SDcard from now on?
I just wanna make sure that I don't manually need to move them, and If I do, I need to figure out how I do that. ap2sd help didn't tell me how to manually move apps, so I am assuming its all done automatically now.
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OK, so I enabled ap2sd, and moved the cache over to SD. WOW, that gave alot of space. Before I moved the cache, I also noticed that my space boosted up to over 200mb. Does this mean all my apps were allready moved over to the SDCard? If so, does that also mean that all my apps will be installed to the SDcard from now on?
I just wanna make sure that I don't manually need to move them, and If I do, I need to figure out how I do that. ap2sd help didn't tell me how to manually move apps, so I am assuming its all done automatically now.
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Bumping this thread. I'd like to know that answer to your question as well.
The apps are moved automatically....also there are commands that will move the apps from the sd card to int. Memory And back If you choose. And finally you can type in a2sd diskspace and and it will tell you the amount of space being used in the partition.
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Hi,
I have rooted froyo 2.2 with App2Sd enabled and always move everything that possible to the Sd card. In spite of that, I have only 20Mb free space left (I use Android System info app). I have 8GB 6class samsung Sd card and did the partitions as said in guides.
how can I have more space to install more apps or I stuck and just have to decide what important and what not ?
Thanks.
what App2SD?
The native Froyo one or the App2SD+?
The native Froyo one does not move the whole app. Just take a look in the app listing and you'll see how much space it occupies on the internal RAM and how much it occupies on the SD card. You also can't move every app, e.g. no widgets.
The App2SD+ moves all apps to the SD-Card, including cache. But even then the more apps you install the less internal memory is available. That's because of a process I don't exactly remember Some apps unpack stuff which gets copied to the internal data partition, and I don't talk about the cache. Don't know for sure, but you should find it with the search.
When I check the app2sd ver. It doesn't shows the. + Symbol so I guess that it is a regular one. Can you give me a link to the plus version?
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Lior84 said:
When I check the app2sd ver. It doesn't shows the. + Symbol so I guess that it is a regular one. Can you give me a link to the plus version?
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?? how shall you check the App2SD Version. You either use the + one, by using an EXT2/3 partition and a proper ROM and not moving the apps manually, it gets done automatically, or you use the Froyo one, by moving each app manually to the SD card in the app settings.
To get APPS2SD+ you need a properly set EXT2/3 partition and then flash a ROM supporting it (like Leedroid if you like a Sense ROM, or DeFrost, Opendesire if you like an AOSP ROM), that's it.