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Hey, I am currently using Leedroid 3.0.5 with Sense. The other night my friend took out his Iphone 4. He then proceeded to show me a few games on it, which I had on my Desire. I noticed one thing, they ALL ran so much smoother and faster then on my desire. The Iphone 4's interface also seems more responsive then mine. (Not that mine is slow, but until I saw the Iphone 4 in action I never realized the difference)
It got me thinking that maybe the problem is the sense overlay on top of the original Gingerbread. If I remove sense by installing Cyanogen will this speed up my phone? Also, compared to my current Rom how does Cyanogen stack up?
Thanks for any opinions, helpful tips and flaming. See ya!
Yes. but oxygen is far quicker then cm7 and leedroid. Sense is nice but it slows your phone down. Get oxygen or cm7 and you will have an iphone beater
jukethehitman said:
Yes. but oxygen is far quicker then cm7 and leedroid. Sense is nice but it slows your phone down. Get oxygen or cm7 and you will have an iphone beater
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If you want fast sense, try reflex s. It's overclocked. Use setcpu to control battery usage.
Every time my mate digs out his iPhone, I just laugh at him.
And the word is "thAn" as in, "When my phone is faster THAN his, THEN I will be happy"... Since when did Yanks, even snap-frozen Yanks from the north, decide it was their God-given right to ruin the English language??
Sorry /rant.
777ace said:
Every time my mate digs out his iPhone, I just laugh at him.
And the word is "thAn" as in, "When my phone is faster THAN his, THEN I will be happy"... Since when did Yanks, even snap-frozen Yanks from the north, decide it was their God-given right to ruin the English language??
Sorry /rant.
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I saw "buyed" in another thread, but hey, as a friend insists, the purpose of language is to get the message across.
Joshua3109 said:
Hey, I am currently using Leedroid 3.0.5 with Sense. The other night my friend took out his Iphone 4. He then proceeded to show me a few games on it, which I had on my Desire. I noticed one thing, they ALL ran so much smoother and faster then on my desire. The Iphone 4's interface also seems more responsive then mine. (Not that mine is slow, but until I saw the Iphone 4 in action I never realized the difference)
It got me thinking that maybe the problem is the sense overlay on top of the original Gingerbread. If I remove sense by installing Cyanogen will this speed up my phone? Also, compared to my current Rom how does Cyanogen stack up?
Thanks for any opinions, helpful tips and flaming. See ya!
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Think of it like having a car (any of the AOSP based ROMS - CM, Oxygen, MIUI) then add a trailer (Sense). Naturally the car will go faster without the trailer
But at the end of the day, your experience is about more than speed - for some people appearance is important, or eye candy. Really nice to see the weather animation on a Sense 3 lockscreen.... try and do that with an iphone.
I guess what I'm saying that comparing just speed is kinda pointless.
I'd be more inclined to liken it to a stripped down Bugatti Veyron speedway racer, painted with matt black housepaint and scarily fast, compared with the same car coming of the factory floor with airconditioning, power steering etc. Still quick for a road car, but a lot more bells and whistles.
But I agree, it's not all about the speed. I've given the AOSP ROMs a run and yes, they are very snappy and responsive, but also quite bland (imo). I am happy to sacrifice a few nanoseconds of response time, and less battery time, in favour of all the pretty things that make up Sense.
And as I said above, when my mate digs out his iP4, I just laugh at him, cos his phone doesn't have half the features mine does...
Why not flash CM7 or Oxygen and give them a run for a few days? See how your mates brick compares...?
777ace said:
I'd be more inclined to liken it to a stripped down Bugatti Veyron speedway racer, painted with matt black housepaint and scarily fast, compared with the same car coming of the factory floor with airconditioning, power steering etc. Still quick for a road car, but a lot more bells and whistles.
But I agree, it's not all about the speed. I've given the AOSP ROMs a run and yes, they are very snappy and responsive, but also quite bland (imo). I am happy to sacrifice a few nanoseconds of response time, and less battery time, in favour of all the pretty things that make up Sense.
And as I said above, when my mate digs out his iP4, I just laugh at him, cos his phone doesn't have half the features mine does...
Why not flash CM7 or Oxygen and give them a run for a few days? See how your mates brick compares...?
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I would like to for a change of pace but the thing stopping me is my past experiences with flashing Leedroid alone. You see, I have Apps2SD+ and I have 18mb of free space left on my Desire, so I have a few apps.
I wouldn't want to give Cyanogen a test run if I had to spend hours putting everything back on my phone.
That is really my only problem, so here are a few questions.
1. Whats a good backup program so I can just reflash Leedroid back on once im done with Cyanogen? And how difficult is this to do?
2. About my apps being on the EXT 3 part of my sd card. Will I have to format my Sd card, remake the partitions and install all my apps again?
Any tips or suggestions related to or outside of what I asked would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a ton community!
1- Use "Nandroid" (in recovery); 2 click (or trackball presses, in our case) and done, same for restoring.
2- Cyanogen supports sd-ext in ext3 (install s2e from market), but I reccomend you to format your sd-ext after you do it app-backup with "Titanium Backup" (without any doubt, the best program for do app backups). you can restore the apps (with data) selectively after CM7 installs. (Be careful with "Sense apps" restoring in aosp -or you'll have to flash it again-)
I came from Leedroid, CM7 is much faster (but it haven't "Sense" xD)
777ace said:
Every time my mate digs out his iPhone, I just laugh at him.
And the word is "thAn" as in, "When my phone is faster THAN his, THEN I will be happy"... Since when did Yanks, even snap-frozen Yanks from the north, decide it was their God-given right to ruin the English language??
Sorry /rant.
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+1 for the English language
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+1 for the English language
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Yeah init
okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.
For a fast, gingerbread sense 2.1 ROM I would try either newts optimized shift or Wild Stangs pure speed.
Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.
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Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.
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why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.
Kiboe said:
okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.
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To check your radio go to
Settings > About Phone > Baseband Version
I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
From personal experience if you're going gingerbread I say CM7 or OMFGB. Also MIUI is another popular choice (if you're into it- very different from any other ROM).
ADW launcher comes with CM7, and at first that was the whole reason I stopped using CM7, then I figured out you can change the launcher.. haha
Launcher Pro+ was a much better choice for me, so if you go that route and you don't like ADW- you know where to turn
Kernel's are another very major part of how well your phone performs and also your battery life. Chad's incredikernel are by far the top choice for both Sense and AOSP kernel's.
As always, if you have bad luck with one ROM or kernel, get suggestions and try another. There IS a perfect combination waiting for you
From experience, I would have to agree with loonatik78 about Sense 3.0's effects on phone performance. With that said, I absolutely love Sense and stayed on Sense 2.1/3.0 roms until 3.0 roms received proper treatment and I subsequently switched over to Pure 3.0 roms several weeks ago. I agree with loonatik78 in the sense that you should avoid a pure 3.0 rom IF you want generally less lag but as development continues they get better everyday.
I would suggest Synergy rom from Incubus26jc, Optimized Shift from Newtoroot, AND Nils Business Gingersense 2.1/3.0 +3d. I respect these dev's work and recommend them with ease. As far as the camera, I don't take pics often so I can't provide much insight there. I know Nils' rom is in the process of including hdr and panorama as a setting in the camera app courtesy of Newtoroot (who included it in his Hybrid Sense 3.0 rom I believe). Hopefully you peak in and see what each Sense 2.1/3.0 rom available has to offer and find your daily.
Wdforty's Inc2 Remix hands down. Its a Sense 2.1 ROM with the nice 3.0 bits added in and the battery life is pretty good. It's pretty stable as well.
For the full Sense 3.0 experience I would give Nils Gingersense 3.0 a try. He does great work as well and his ROM is quite snappy for 3.0.
To be honest, flashing on the Incredible is so easy you can try them all out for yourself to see which ROM satisfies YOUR needs. As long as you stick with ROMS towards the top of the Developement forum (shows many people are using them) you will be fine. Read the threads for serious bugs that are reported that may sway you from using a rom.
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k, i am close, i's just trhat i talked to a freind who put cm7 or a rom on his droid 1, and he said he had to reset it.
i guess i am just afraid of bricking the phone, booted cm7 the last time throuh rom manager, and it kept botting in bootloop, well, i got the rom back, but, i don't want to go through that again.
POQbum said:
To check your radio go to
Settings > About Phone > Baseband Version
I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
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okay, the thing is, is there really that much of a noticable difference bewteen 2.2 and 2.3? i already tested out flash and it works flawlessly o this default dinc (after i cleared the bloatware out, THANKS TITANIUM BACKUP!) i'm not going to use blockbuster, or netflix (as much as people like that, i don't watch movies on a 3 1/2 scren.
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
Kiboe said:
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
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I like Nils Business Gingersense 3d-2.3 for a Sense rom. It is stable, quick and battery life is good. I use Conaps DualRom x2 so I'm able to load CM7, OMFGB, Evervolv and Miui (all Aosp roms) also. They are all very stable, quick and very good battery life using Chad's incredikernel on all except OMFGB on which I use invisiblek kernel.
I think in the end, it is mostly a matter of personal preference.
Kiboe said:
why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.
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Holy Sh#t! Are you for real??? All I was doing was giving you an honest impression of my personal experience with a gingerbread Sense ROM built by one of the most experienced devs on the dInc. I used a LOT of ROM's on that phone. The absolute fastest Sense experience you will find is Incredibly Re-Engineered 2.3.2 using Ziggy's BFS 4/10 overclocked to 1.153GHz, smartass gov. setCPU to sleep at 245. The better way to do it would be to use the sysfs interface with a script to undervolt it more, set the smartass to be more conservative, and overclock it. If the smartass is tweaked correctly, the thing will do most of it's work around 768MHz or less, but will still have the overhead to ramp up to 1.153GHz if the load demands. I've been looking at all the GB kernels available and the sysfs on them isn't set up to do all that I've described on any of them. That's not to say they're not very well appointed kernels. They are, to the point I'm jealous. The TB has 2 GB Sense kernels. And the second one is based off the tree of the first.
My Tbolt took a mean hit in performance moving from froyo to GB. It's muscular enough hardware that it makes little impact on user experience. I put the same ROM ported for the dInc on the dInc and it was simply painful to watch. Aside from full Sense with Sense 3.0 elements, that ROM was stripped to the bone. That's why I asked if you really need GB. If you don't, there's far faster stuff out there in the land of Froyo. I run GB on the dInc now, and it's just as stupid-fast as the Tbolt, but it's AOSP. In fact, it would probably out-score my Bolt on benchmarks.
I like my Sense too. My dInc runs AOSP because that's what the gf likes. It'll probably go back to Sense when I give it to my wife. It's nice being able to get some AOSP experience now, since I don't have to live with the thing. Sorry if my opinion of my experience with GB Sense made it look like I was hating on the dInc. I'm not. You should have seen a lot of the first GB builds for the Bolt. You'd be lucky if the thing even booted. And they crawled along like sloths on opium. Maybe when some more developed GB leaks come along, it will work like it should. It's not there yet. Go try some and let me know. I'd love to think I'm wrong.
Optimized shift is my favorite just wish it had 2.1 lockscreen.. pure speed is fast just the lockscreen call bug irritated me... I'm on omfgb and have had a fast and stable experience.. using incredikernel with fast charge.. sense is nice but way too laggy for me.. guess I'm just picky..
Once a fast stable 3.0 sense rom comes out I'll probably switch to it... I try every rom I think is good but usually sense lets me down..
Well that's my 2¢…
Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
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Kiboe said:
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
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That's a good one to start out with.
CM7 is nice but some people just prefer Sense.
I'd suggest that you stay away from ROM manager just because it can be buggy often.
Really not too big of changes from 2.2 to 2.3
Most notable is the over-scroll effect and they put in some security patches.
Eventually I'm sure you'll want to try out Sense 3.0- but just giving out my opinion in that it doesn't run too great on the INC compared to other ROM's. Bunches of people use it all the time and love it, so who knows, it may be for you. It's what's so great about android.
@loonatik78 / Kiboe
The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone.
DEV's are making this situation better with each new release but I think you get what I'm saying.
Also know that if you update to GB on AOSP you will lose your 720p video recording- not important to most people but if it is to you then you should clear away.
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Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
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I think OP was still mad at him for his other 10 posts of pure bashing and douche-baggery that he made in a couple other threads.
yep, just flashed skyraider and...so far i love it, i just have the itch to flash over to gingersense due to gb, but like you said, i may hold off on that for a while.
"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.
loonatik78 said:
"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.
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It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*
POQbum said:
It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*
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I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.
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I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.
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Well there's still no 4G in VA at all so it's got a ways to go before it's considered coverageable.
The CPU speed was what I was trying to say to you before, it takes a lot of power to rev the CPU faster- and with dual cores they can both run slower yet outperform a beefier CPU clocked at faster rates. That's really the upgrade I'm waiting for, a good phone with dual core with root available.
this is going horribly offtopic.
I think it's pretty amazing how there really are no mods here.
It's like they all just abandoned.
The softkey glow animation causes unnecessary lag on pretty much every device other than the transformer prime in my experience and even there its not perfect. I don't get why this animation was added in ICS. I wasn't part of honeycomb. My rom I use on my nexus has it off by default (winner00's cm9 kang) but its fraustrating that stock this phone even has this animation. It causes so much extra lag that the phone doesn't need and the animation looks like crap most of the time anyway. The most obvious times I see this lag are when hitting the back button from the app drawer, and hitting the back button with the notification draw open. With the animation its unsmooth on both things. With the animation off or removed both of those animations are 60fps. Google removed the menu selection fade in 4.04, I think its time that they remove this one as well, or at least make it standard in all cm9 roms as my friends touchpad still has this animation. AOKP has an option to remove it but in my experience that rom has some weird lag issues when closing the app drawer anyway.
The problem with this being standard turned on is the stock roms for many devices like the Asus Tranformer tf101 have this glowing animation and it causes lag. Its a bad precedent to set.
Does it really matter what the default option is? You know there's an option to turn it off, so use it. I personally like the animation, running on AOKP and it's glass smooth all the time.
The point of a custom rom is to give you extra options and performance... not to completely alter the way the phone behaves (unless you're going to MIUI, but if you're doing that you know that you're going to get drastic changes). When i install a custom ROM, i expect that all the defaults will have my phone working just as it did when it was on stock - from there, i can customize to my liking.
I remember when the Nexus One came out, and shortly after that Google decided to implement Live Wallpapers. Every time you enabled a live wallpaper the home screen lagged, and to top it off it would eat your battery life to keep it running. Then a year later the next generation of phones came out and live wallpapers were no longer a problem.
Google always implements unnecessary eye candy that bogs down your phone. It's a way to show people the difference that it makes to upgrade your hardware every one or two years, because you can pretty much guarantee that this year's new phones will have absolutely no difficulty running little touches like this, whereas last year's phones will chug.
Most consumers don't care if it's laggy. They see the glowing buttons and think it's the best thing since sliced bread, since neither the iPhone nor WP7 have it. Then once the next Nexus comes out they'll see even more button effects and spend even more money on it.
Don't get butthurt just because you're not the target audience.
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I remember when the Nexus One came out, and shortly after that Google decided to implement Live Wallpapers. Every time you enabled a live wallpaper the home screen lagged, and to top it off it would eat your battery life to keep it running. Then a year later the next generation of phones came out and live wallpapers were no longer a problem.
Google always implements unnecessary eye candy that bogs down your phone. It's a way to show people the difference that it makes to upgrade your hardware every one or two years, because you can pretty much guarantee that this year's new phones will have absolutely no difficulty running little touches like this, whereas last year's phones will chug.
Most consumers don't care if it's laggy. They see the glowing buttons and think it's the best thing since sliced bread, since neither the iPhone nor WP7 have it. Then once the next Nexus comes out they'll see even more button effects and spend even more money on it.
Don't get butthurt just because you're not the target audience.
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The problem is, unlike live wallpapers, unless your rom added an option to turn this off, there is no way to do so. There is no way to turn this option off on the stock rom and many builds of cm9 don't have an option either. If you haven't tried winner00's cm9 if your on the verizon nexus, try it. The difference is hugely noticeable. AOKP in my experience seems to have lag in the app drawer even with the glow animaton off regardless of which launcher you use.
Agreed. The choppy animation drives me crazy. I'm 100% stock and proud but I might go back to the dark side and flash a custom rom because of this.
Surely this is easily fixable for Google and they are aware of the problem.
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No lag at all for me running Apex rom
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Lol. I'm on 4.0.4 IMM76I and the animation is completely fluid. Why do you even care about the key glow? I don't even look at the keys when using the phone
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blockbusta said:
Lol. I'm on 4.0.4 IMM76I and the animation is completely fluid. Why do you even care about the key glow? I don't even look at the keys when using the phone
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I want the glow gone lol.
Heres a comparison video of cm9 kang(winner00) which doesn't have the glow and official cm9 build 5-7 that has the glow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y7HwdKmvtk&feature=youtube_gdata
earlyberd said:
I remember when the Nexus One came out, and shortly after that Google decided to implement Live Wallpapers. Every time you enabled a live wallpaper the home screen lagged, and to top it off it would eat your battery life to keep it running. Then a year later the next generation of phones came out and live wallpapers were no longer a problem.
Google always implements unnecessary eye candy that bogs down your phone. It's a way to show people the difference that it makes to upgrade your hardware every one or two years, because you can pretty much guarantee that this year's new phones will have absolutely no difficulty running little touches like this, whereas last year's phones will chug.
Most consumers don't care if it's laggy. They see the glowing buttons and think it's the best thing since sliced bread, since neither the iPhone nor WP7 have it. Then once the next Nexus comes out they'll see even more button effects and spend even more money on it.
Don't get butthurt just because you're not the target audience.
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i don't agree with anything you said. most consumers do care if it's laggy; that's why the get the iphone. people don't "ooh and ahh" about glowing buttons -- this is not the year 2000.
finally, there is no way in hell that the purpose of google adding "unnecessary eye candy" is to show how much better hardware is getting when the next generation of devices is released.
quit your trolling, pal -- your long-winded response really proved nothing.
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i don't agree with anything you said. most consumers do care if it's laggy; that's why the get the iphone. people don't "ooh and ahh" about glowing buttons -- this is not the year 2000.
finally, there is no way in hell that the purpose of google adding "unnecessary eye candy" is to show how much better hardware is getting when the next generation of devices is released.
quit your trolling, pal -- your long-winded response really proved nothing.
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Sheeple do not get the iPhone due to Android lag...
blackhand1001 said:
I want the glow gone lol.
Heres a comparison video of cm9 kang(winner00) which doesn't have the glow and official cm9 build 5-7 that has the glow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y7HwdKmvtk&feature=youtube_gdata
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i watched ur video, and i see no performance difference in the two. looks/sounds like u just being anal...like 90% of xda. quit crying. u own the best phone out...enjoy it or mod the hell outta it, but dont be mad...
blackhand1001 said:
I want the glow gone lol.
Heres a comparison video of cm9 kang(winner00) which doesn't have the glow and official cm9 build 5-7 that has the glow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y7HwdKmvtk&feature=youtube_gdata
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Can anyone confirm there HOX hasnt set on fire? Just kidding - I started this thread because I want to know if other user experiences on different Roms are the same as mine.
Firstly / CyanogenMod base roms - super fast lag free but for me super hot cpu and massive battery drain. I mean massive, not usable prob 8-10 hrs if you dont use. 4-5hrs if you turn the screen on for 30-40 minutes and when you do the cpu gets hot, really hot. 75 degree Celsius. Battery hot as well. My experience is based on paranoid android and it tends to get hot while charging as well. I do not think heat is a very good compatriot to your hardware.
JB Sense roms - cool battery & great endurance times. Havent had to check on cpu temp because all great in this department, BUT not without problems in other area's. "Laggy", not any improvement from ics if anything worse. Leedroid was better than the current sense base rom i have now. But InsertCoin JB out dose ICS in the battery life. Wifi hogging which there is now a supposable fix with the latest firmware update. But it doesn't take much reading within the JB forums to find new sets of problems with the new firmware update. Which brings me to my conclusion.
Trade offs - all in all when you take into account the hassle of firmware updates that resolve one problem but bring another and the list of differences between JB sense base and CyanogenMod base roms, for me there always seems to be this trade off. There's sacrifices and consequences to both sides of the fence. IF only the developers could merge these two different bases we would have a wonderful android experience. At the moment I am finding this all to be too much work. The constant updates, full-wipes, re-flashing, trials and more trials all adds up to a lot of time and effort and is only going to drive me away from the beautiful, lovely HOX. I have the nexus 7 which does not give me all the work. You try the roms of choice and are able to live with it. Now I am thinking the nexus 4 is the way to go.
I cannot write code and know nothing about developing and I know the developers answer to all this is the hboot firmware and htc as the problem. But I question you this if you are a developer listening. Why is there a fence between CyanogenMod and Sense when both of you are using the same firmware? If one of you brought the two together you would make a killing.:highfive:
Off subject - what does Member - OP mean. On Probation.
cm10 runs great for me, but it would be nice if the compass worked
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seltheair said:
cm10 runs great for me, but it would be nice if the compass worked
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Yes another trade off. I cannot live without sense camera and descent weather app.
HTC kernels have the best battery life, so until the HTC JB kernel source code is released, AOSP based ROMs will likely have worse battery life.
As much as everybody likes to deride HTC coders, they actually do a pretty good job. You may also find that the AOSP governors are geared more for performance than battery life, and changing the governor might help.
Ultimately battery life and performance IS the trade-off. Of course, pure optimisations are always possible, but often it's just moving the trade-off point.
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HTC kernels have the best battery life, so until the HTC JB kernel source code is released, AOSP based ROMs will likely have worse battery life.
As much as everybody likes to deride HTC coders, they actually do a pretty good job. You may also find that the AOSP governors are geared more for performance than battery life, and changing the governor might help.
Ultimately battery life and performance IS the trade-off. Of course, pure optimisations are always possible, but often it's just moving the trade-off point.
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Thanks for your explanation. It goes a long way in helping understand, especially the point moving the trade off point.
I know the developers are very skilled and I am not clever enough to deride them. But from a consumers point of view, unless you buy a fully unlocked device you are in for a long sometimes arduous learning curb especially if you unlock your device in preparation for using these custom Roms.
I among st my friends was the first to discover this world of android. Cant remember the htc phone it was on at the time, it was a bit sluggish. But immediately I new it was a winner. Soon as google linked there name to a phone i knew it was time to jump on board with the nexus one. I think there may have been 5-10,000 apps.
Hell a lot of people if not most cannot afford the time or energy to learn. I have found it fascinating but also have now realized how much time android consumes. To much.
My opinion for what its worth, can only see this not getting any better. And unless one jumps back into the nexus range, windows is looking like the better deal. Windows is sure to gain market share and along with it comes all the apps. Almost guaranteed with windows and its structures will see far less aggravation and things will just work and at speed. There wont be these trade offs. Android needs to pull it together and change strategy fast because on the present cause that big lump Steve Balmer was right. Android is just darn to complicated for most users.
Its not complicated and its fun but im sad to say, there comes a time when there is no time and you are going to want something that just works and it still isn't Apple.
Androids future should be getting rid of these trade offs. 75-80 degree Celsius should not exist as a trade off for performance and please don't say try another kernel.
Change course- make things just work! Stop these half baked Roms. Give us the real thing. I would be happy to pay for that......
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Thanks for your explanation. It goes a long way in helping understand, especially the point moving the trade off point.
I know the developers are very skilled and I am not clever enough to deride them. But from a consumers point of view, unless you buy a fully unlocked device you are in for a long sometimes arduous learning curb especially if you unlock your device in preparation for using these custom Roms.
I among st my friends was the first to discover this world of android. Cant remember the htc phone it was on at the time, it was a bit sluggish. But immediately I new it was a winner. Soon as google linked there name to a phone i knew it was time to jump on board with the nexus one. I think there may have been 5-10,000 apps.
Hell a lot of people if not most cannot afford the time or energy to learn. I have found it fascinating but also have now realized how much time android consumes. To much.
My opinion for what its worth, can only see this not getting any better. And unless one jumps back into the nexus range, windows is looking like the better deal. Windows is sure to gain market share and along with it comes all the apps. Almost guaranteed with windows and its structures will see far less aggravation and things will just work and at speed. There wont be these trade offs. Android needs to pull it together and change strategy fast because on the present cause that big lump Steve Balmer was right. Android is just darn to complicated for most users.
Its not complicated and its fun but im sad to say, there comes a time when there is no time and you are going to want something that just works and it still isn't Apple.
Androids future should be getting rid of these trade offs. 75-80 degree Celsius should not exist as a trade off for performance and please don't say try another kernel.
Change course- make things just work! Stop these half baked Roms. Give us the real thing. I would be happy to pay for that......
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When I first got my HOX (I had it pre ordered) and I unlocked and tried my first ROM, viper X or leedroid I think (can't remember) , since then and the available roms now, there is a HUGE improvement. Just the fact that I can install another OS on my phone is awesome...Give it time and there will be perfect Roms. But that said, any software, there are bound to be some bugs.... Yes it is time consuming testing different roms but you can generally find out from the forum if its worth the effort before downloading and flashing...
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shinigamikris said:
When I first got my HOX (I had it pre ordered) and I unlocked and tried my first ROM, viper X or leedroid I think (can't remember) , since then and the available roms now, there is a HUGE improvement. Just the fact that I can install another OS on my phone is awesome...Give it time and there will be perfect Roms. But that said, any software, there are bound to be some bugs.... Yes it is time consuming testing different roms but you can generally find out from the forum if its worth the effort before downloading and flashing...
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Are you saying you have experienced some of the bugs. Would be nice to know which one's. I love and enjoy my hox as well but there comes a point with time. You obviously have lots of. My prediction is windows is coming and rather than taking a huge bite of Apple it will be at androids expense. These Roms are to buggy.
Even on a super fast device like this one, Touchwiz is still garbage in terms of fluidity and smoothness compared to Sense. 6
I just switched from HTC One M8, and it was smoother than Touchwiz in almost every respect. Sure, some scenarios are nearly indistinguishable on both devices in terms of smoothness, but some are really bad on Note 4.
For example, whenever something happens in the background that requires storage access, the Note starts to chug.
Do this test on your device. Start updating 5-10 apps in the Play Store, then go and scroll in some other app. You will see immediately that the scrolling becomes jerky and sometimes stops completely for half a second when a new app starts updating. Sense doesn't do that. If you've never played with Sense 6, I suggest you go to a store and check it out - it's completely smooth regardless of what happens in the background.
It's as if Sense can utilize only idle cpu cycles for background processes, so everything remains smooth and fluid at all times, while Note 4 appears to give full real time priority for certain routines of background processes. For a modern flagship devices, this is unacceptable.
I really hope we can get root very soon, so developers can possibly fix this travesty.
How do we get Samsung to care about this? I took their survey from the email I got. I focused on speed and performance. How else can we alert Samsung? That people who care about speed and performance should have a voice?
Touchwiz is sorta like windows vista lmao
I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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Touchwiz here refers to the entire Android "skin, " not just the launcher. You will have jerky performance of the kind I described in the op with Nova and any other launcher.
I have used Nova for years and the performance blows TW out of the water. No "jerkiness" at all.
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I doubt anyone on XDA uses Touchwiz versus Nova and the other choices.
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Tons of people use the TouchWiz launcher. Nova is nice, and I used it on my g3, but I need the stock widgets that can't be replicated.
OP. I agree to a point. Touchwiz is much more fluid that in the past. It has hiccups, but it's a trade off for feature rich software. It's odd, because the g3 lacked features and lagged worse than any phone I've owned. The m8 is buttery smooth, but it's also boring.
chamberc said:
I have used Nova for years and the performance blows TW out of the water. No "jerkiness" at all.
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
Rippley05 said:
Tons of people use the TouchWiz launcher. Nova is nice, and I used it on my g3, but I need the stock widgets that can't be replicated.
OP. I agree to a point. Touchwiz is much more fluid that in the past. It has hiccups, but it's a trade off for feature rich software. It's odd, because the g3 lacked features and lagged worse than any phone I've owned. The m8 is buttery smooth, but it's also boring.
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I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
nabbed said:
You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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You bet... Nova is far less laggy than touchwiz.
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You bet... Nova is far less laggy than touchwiz.
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Please stop derailing the thread. Touchwiz is an android skin, not just the launcher. You can't use Nova while scrolling in a web browser, can you?
nabbed said:
Please stop derailing the thread. Touchwiz is an android skin, not just the launcher. You can't use Nova while scrolling in a web browser, can you?
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LOLOL he is just not getting what you're saying dude... give up on him... the rest of us understand exactly what you mean... cannot wait for root.... hopeful after reading the last few posts of this thread ---> http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/talk-root-t2908919/page18# we may be getting somewhere...
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You didn't even read what I wrote did you?
I don't think it's a trade off. It feels like there's a fundamental problem with the way the skin is programmed by Samsung.
But I'm not an expert. It would be nice if a developer could chime in.
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I'm not an expert either, but it's obvious, at least to me, that the more you cram into an OS..the more it taxes the hardware/software.
It is a tradeoff because everyone who has owned a Samsung device knows it will be this way..so we trade off butter smoothness for software features. Maybe Samsung will figure it out one day, maybe they won't.
HTC was the same way until they stripped Sense down to barebones. While it is nice to scroll on the m8, it is also boring for me to have such a generic feeling device. It's all about preference.
My N4 is very smooth. Especially compared to my G3. Only thing that lags is the recent apps button up, which is a bit disappointing as I use that all the time.
I agree with the issues with tw. Part of it has to do with the work on the Java threads which is why the choreographer process always drops frames which is the jitter. The kernels are also tuned differently and more for stability than anything else.
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I'm not an expert either, but it's obvious, at least to me, that the more you cram into an OS..the more it taxes the hardware/software.
It is a tradeoff because everyone who has owned a Samsung device knows it will be this way..so we trade off butter smoothness for software features. Maybe Samsung will figure it out one day, maybe they won't.
HTC was the same way until they stripped Sense down to barebones. While it is nice to scroll on the m8, it is also boring for me to have such a generic feeling device. It's all about preference.
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Since you've made it abundantly clear that the launcher is a separate issue, how is sense boring, not counting the launcher?
Just about every Android Ive ever used gets herky jerky when apps are installing. Thunderbolt, GNex, Note 3, etc.
Samsung should be able to tune the response in things like recent apps though. I was using a DROID RAZR M recently and recent apps pops up instantly on that old thing. The Note 4 takes a good second or three to bring up recent apps depending how many recent apps are in there.
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Since you've made it abundantly clear that the launcher is a separate issue, how is sense boring, not counting the launcher?
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Actually. Where did I make it abundantly clear? May want to pay attention to what you read. Wasn't me.
Sense is boring to me. It's generic, doesn't offer a fraction of the software features and customization that samsung/LG offer. That's the tradeoff for being so smooth..and that's what I was talking about. Not the launcher.
I'm enjoying touch wiz. I don't see how u guys don't like it. If u don't like it then just don't buy a Samsung phone.
It's more of a fundamental issue with android in general. Here is an older article, but it explains the issue pretty well.
http://techland.time.com/2011/12/07/is-android-doomed-to-lag-more-than-ios/
Maybe lollipop will change how the UI is rendered , maybe not. But I don't think the lagginess is the sole product of touchwiz. Touchwiz does not modify the deep level coding that controls CPU access prority, ISR behavior, etc. Seems like Samsung is trying to do the best with what they got.
Here is some follow up on the guys original post where google developers comment.
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13fzt2wrwaxwjqxc04cdx0jsve5hhl4b04
While I'm not a software engineer, I am an electrical and computer engineer. I quit my full time job and went back to school at 30 because I was tired of not being educated enough to understand the things I had questions about.
It's funny.. the more I learned the more I realized how astonishingly difficult it was/is to build the technology we have today. The amount of engineering that goes into designing today's modern processors is incredible. Now that I am "in the know" with exactly how these things work, it's a lot easier for me to understand the milestones and why things are the way they are (heat dissapation in modern multicore CPUs is one of those things that is hard to solve and even harder to explain to the layman why it's hard to solve, a commanding grasp of quantum physics and modern microscale transistor design theory is needed) and I don't get bothered by it, I realize that it's being worked on and I can identify the subtle improvements and I recognize the significance of those improvements.
The point is, it's easy to "blame" samsung or Google for the stuttering you are experiencing, but it's better to recognize the progress that's being made. The problem is not trivial to solve and to think it is or that "it should have been fixed by now" is really naive.
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Just about every Android Ive ever used gets herky jerky when apps are installing. Thunderbolt, GNex, Note 3, etc.
Samsung should be able to tune the response in things like recent apps though. I was using a DROID RAZR M recently and recent apps pops up instantly on that old thing. The Note 4 takes a good second or three to bring up recent apps depending how many recent apps are in there.
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This is really the thing that bothers me the most. Bringing up recent apps is SO SLOW. There is a huge delay when you press that button. It really makes that feature useless for the stuff I use most, because I can just hit the home button and the app shortcut faster than using recent apps.