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Fresh Toast vs. ffolkes' Kernel

So, there you have it. Aside from stability, my main concern is conserving battery life. In fact, I'd sacrifice the 30FPS unlock to conserve 3+ hours of battery life if need be.
Which is better for stability and battery life in your opinion.
Also, please post what ROM you are currently using.
Thanks!
PS - Let me know if you'd like a new poll option added. (Nevermind, apparently can't tweak that now.)

akarol said:
So, there you have it. Aside from stability, my main concern is conserving battery life. In fact, I'd sacrifice the 30FPS unlock to conserve 3+ hours of battery life if need be.
Which is better for stability and battery life in your opinion.
Also, please post what ROM you are currently using.
Thanks!
PS - Let me know if you'd like a new poll option added. (Nevermind, apparently can't tweak that now.)
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Haven't tried ffolkes yet I can say I got 22 hours out of fresh 26 with underclock while screens off

I have used DC, Baked Snack, and fresh. I think fresh is the most stable of the three. DC with JIT enabled causes reboots at times, but they are rare. DC with JIT disabled is pretty stable. Baked Snack sometimes gave me odd problems, but it is pretty fast.
I think I had best battery life with DC, about 35 hours. My brother reportedly used his phone for two days straight playing games without having to charge it. He uses DC with DCConfig set to Battery Saver. This was with an undervolted kernel without using overclock. Had to switch from undervolted at a later point because it caused HUGE amounts of stability issues. (Ffolkes' kernel)
Fresh with autostarts is pretty good with battery life. I haven't tried the latest version. Using a perflock disabled kernel and setCPU works wonders for fresh and battery life.
Baked Snack was an odd one. My battery life was inconsistent. All I can say with that one.

My thoughts on the three ROM's that Jykinturah mentioned are the same. Using DC 3.2.3 with ffolkes using set cpu, I charge my phone about as often as my girlfriend who has a blackberrry: every 2 days.

ffolkes' Higher Frame Rate Kernel
is this the 5.2 ?

flips kernel #26 doesn't work with FPS unlock for my HW002 nova screen

twe90kid said:
flips kernel #26 doesn't work with FPS unlock for my HW002 nova screen
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It does if you use Evo Switch and change T2 to 250.

akarol said:
It does if you use Evo Switch and change T2 to 250.
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English?
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criccio said:
English?
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in the ffolkes thread there is a link to an app called EvoSwitch. It allows you to change a value called T2 (it has something to do with frequency I guess) which for some people (including me, with an 002 bought on evo release day) actually allows the fps to change.

laydros said:
in the ffolkes thread there is a link to an app called EvoSwitch. It allows you to change a value called T2 (it has something to do with frequency I guess) which for some people (including me, with an 002 bought on evo release day) actually allows the fps to change.
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Thanks,man! I will try this over the weekend. I had tried some of ffolkes kerenels previously with no success. This might do the trick.

so which kernel is supposed to have the best batterly life?
I just put on fresh toast. I get a good 49fps
So far so good. to early to tell about battery life tho
Thats what im looking for

Best kernel for latest fresh?

Alright, so I'm coming from cm 6 and I was using snap with it. But what I'm wondering, is what is the best kernel for fresh.
Thanks.

derik123derik123 said:
Alright, so I'm coming from cm 6 and I was using snap with it. But what I'm wondering, is what is the best kernel for fresh.
Thanks.
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I'm running King's latest...#8 I think. Getting 53fps, 1250 Quadrant score with stock 998mhz speed. Seems good so far.

If you want great battery and dont care about the fps cap, stick with the latest stock kernel thats built right into fresh.

best kernel for lastest fresh?
I am using the kernal that came with the rom and it seems to work just fine. i thought the claims on battery life might be over rated but can say that with moderate use i got 37 hours from 100% to 15%. Might try kings again but not sure if that would hurt that battery life.

damanrob said:
I am using the kernal that came with the rom and it seems to work just fine. i thought the claims on battery life might be over rated but can say that with moderate use i got 37 hours from 100% to 15%. Might try kings again but not sure if that would hurt that battery life.
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I promise you that the claims of improved battery life for the new HTC kernel are not overstated at all. In fact... there are no words to describe how much of an improvement it actually is. The theory follows that the other kernels will be re-optimized based on the new HTC kernel.

As above, stock gets the best battery life. If you need the OC/FPS/etc you can try King's #8 (I had stability issues, personally) or #6 (worked like a charm). Currently I'm using the netarchy 4.1.9.1 beta. Battery life could be better IMO, but feels really snappy. LP looks too good @ >50 FPS for me to stick with stock.

edufur said:
I promise you that the claims of improved battery life for the new HTC kernel are not overstated at all. In fact... there are no words to describe how much of an improvement it actually is. The theory follows that the other kernels will be re-optimized based on the new HTC kernel.
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I have been running Fresh 3.2 with the built in kernel, but I've also been using SetCPU with a very low performance, battery friendly profile.
My question is whether I should be using SetCPU at all anymore, since I heard that this new kernel already supports throttling the CPU back when not in demand. I've been excited to test out how it effects my battery myself, but if someone has the answer, it would save me a week.

dom085 said:
I have been running Fresh 3.2 with the built in kernel, but I've also been using SetCPU with a very low performance, battery friendly profile.
My question is whether I should be using SetCPU at all anymore, since I heard that this new kernel already supports throttling the CPU back when not in demand. I've been excited to test out how it effects my battery myself, but if someone has the answer, it would save me a week.
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Even if the stock kernel does scale down the voltage to the CPU, I think you would still need setCPU if you want to OC. However, the stock kernel probably does not support OCing. However, I think setCPU could still be beneficial for keeping the CPU running at minimum when the phone is in sleep mode. Then again, that feature could also be incorporated into the new HTC kernel for all we know.
Like someone else mentioned, Kings BFS #8 gave me stability issues, but #6 works fantastic in terms of performance and stability; not to mention, everything works on my phone as it should. I got 2 generic batteries and a charger from eBay for dirt cheap, so battery life if of little concern to me.

Is there a kernel for fresh 3.2 with cifs support?

Question about setcpu and overclocking

I'm using kings kernel #5 and i currently have its over clocked to 720 (and of course profiles clocked under that) I was wondering would i have significantly shorter battery life if i clocked it up to the highest (1.119) and set it to conservative

Gahh Its Lee said:
I'm using kings kernel #5 and i currently have its over clocked to 720 (and of course profiles clocked under that) I was wondering would i have significantly shorter battery life if i clocked it up to the highest (1.119) and set it to conservative
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You'll most likely freeze up and crash at the highest clock speed, that's what happens to most of us. But that really depends on your hardware... You MAY be able to sustain that, but there's really no guarantees.
What I do (and I have pretty good battery life, it's 9:36 pm here and I just now dipped under 20%) is let the kernel do it's own thing and only set up a screen off profile that maxes out at 460.
But yeah, higher clock = more battery drain.

I cannot get over 1.113, reboots constantly over that. I get amazing battery life and performance with what I am running below.
Sent from HTC Incredible, Redemption 2.0.4, King's BFS #5 kernel OC to 1.113, s-off, Launcher Pro Plus

Oh I can run it sustained i have my charging profile of 1.119 and interactive. Its 11:15 and my battery just dropped under 50% (i like bragging) But i figure it i put it to conservative it probably wont ever need to really run at max will it? Im not 100% sure on how everything works just yet

The word of the King
When King released #5, he was specific in saying that if using SetCPU w/ #5, only use it to overclock, as the composition of the kernel handles battery life.
That doesn't mean you can't, obviously, but I'm just conveying what I read when it was released.
Post # 1653, here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760050&page=34
just sayin'

Oh well thank you i had no idea. I actually messaged him on here about the kernels

I honestly dont even know what kernel i should be using... I dont even know the difference between bfs and cfs

Gahh Its Lee said:
I honestly dont even know what kernel i should be using... I dont even know the difference between bfs and cfs
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King's notes and his d/l site go into uber-geek detail on the differences - take a look. Short version (to my understanding and probably way oversimplified) is they do different things - battery preservation or speed or a blend of the two.
That said, the kernel you should use depends on the ROM and what's important to you [speed/battery/both] - certain kernels won't/don't/shouldn't work w/ certain ROMs.Take a read thru the development section, and read thru the 2 threads for King's kernels. He's got 5? (or more) kernels out in the wild. Between those two threads, you'll see where one set is for AOSP ROMs only, the other for Sense and/or vanilla, whatever.
I've made the error of bootlooping myself by putting the inappropriate kernel into a Sense ROM - fortunately I did no permanent harm - actually it was good learning. Why? Now I look for, and use, kernels specific to the type of ROM I'm using.
They aren't one-size fits all - don't make the mistake I did - read up on what's there and you'll see what I mean.
Kind regards.

Yea I learned that not all roms work... I have virtuous 3.0.1 and want performance but mainly battery life can you suggest a kernel for me?
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Gahh Its Lee said:
Yea I learned that not all roms work... I have virtuous 3.0.1 and want performance but mainly battery life can you suggest a kernel for me?
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King's #5 or the custom Virtuous kernel.

Lol I've used both of those I may go to kings #3 bfs not 100% sure yet hopefully ill get a message back on here
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Gahh Its Lee said:
Yea I learned that not all roms work... I have virtuous 3.0.1 and want performance but mainly battery life can you suggest a kernel for me?
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Lee - best suggestion I can offer is for you to read up on the kernels available and choose the one that works with the ROM you are running, that gives you what you want.
The reading/learning will do as much for you as a super-speedy or battery-sipping kernel.
Good luck.

I've been reading but just can't find any real information
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The Kernels King post are defined by whether they can be used in Sense or Vanilla. His AOSP/CM are for Vanilla Roms only, and will more than likely cause bootloops if applied to a Sense Rom. The HAVS kernels are for Sense only. I change out between 2 and 5 and can't decide which is better. I also never run above 1.15 or I get constant reboots. 1.15 still reboots, but not as often.

[KERNEL]1.28Ghz?!

Just wondering if anybody has tried this kernel yet? Found it over on AndroidMobileJunkie.com (Followed a link in somebody's sig here n XDA that said 1.28Ghz so naturally I was curious lol) Anyways, here's the link for the post over on AMJ. http://forum.androidmobilejunkie.com/threads/kernel-ziggy471-droid-incredible-22-oct.11/

yea ziggy's kernel. It's been in discussion in both of the Desire rom port threads. 1.28 is very rough on the processor though, and mostly unstable for a lot of people's phones (mine included), even ziggy admits it's a risky business, but he has proven it is possible.

I am so tempted to try this, but I'm afraid to fry my phone. My go big or go home mentality may make me give in. Wish there was someone who posted on the thread link

I ran it. No problems a 1.28 but really didn't use it long. Here's my Quadrant post in the Desire Z port thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8775977&postcount=168
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I'd imagine that clocking the processor that high wouldn't make much difference than say, 1.19GHz.
In fact, in plenty of ROMs I've tried, anything clocking over 1152mhz actually gives me a decrease in my quadrant scores. Not to say its not a stability issue - I'd assume that most Snapdragons actually clock higher than 998mhz, but then are reduced because that's baseline performance, anything less than 998mhz would get kicked.
I've never had a ROM crash, even running at 1.19GHz, but didn't notice any performance gains, plus, unless you just happen to get a chip that is capable of 1.28GHz no problem, it's probably near bottle-neck anyway.
And Quadrant has several variables way outside of clock speed that can pull 1800's, including just your flavor ROM.
Bottom Line: It's not worth frying your phone just for a barely-existent performance gain. If you happen to have a processor that is incapable of stability at 1.28GHz, you might fry out some transistors, then get stuck with something that freezes if you clock it over 700, let alone the 998 stock.

For me personally 1.28 is no improvement over 1.152. In fact, it gives me worse benchmarks.

sorry for repost

I gave this kernel a try and I actually prefer the newest HTC 2.6.32.17 charging time has significantly decreased battery life has increased and the performance is really responsive and smooth. My quadrant scores are nothing impressive pretty average but I would rather all of the above than a high quadrant.

I tried this kernal and my camera stopped working...

HeyItsLou said:
I gave this kernel a try and I actually prefer the newest HTC 2.6.32.17 charging time has significantly decreased battery life has increased and the performance is really responsive and smooth. My quadrant scores are nothing impressive pretty average but I would rather all of the above than a high quadrant.
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Lou hit the nail on the head. I love the .17 kernel. Im using the new guy with great performance, battery life, charging, and neat transitions. its like a new phone.

I'm using this with a vanilla froyo ROM and my battery life is amazing. Haven't noticed any freezing or any program not working.

Wow!
Thanks for all the replies guys, I think for now I'm gonna stick with the stock kernel also, I just remember back when I used to run KxK's kernels seeing great benchmarks and battery life I was always wondering if there were any faster out there lol

dimebagdan65 said:
Thanks for all the replies guys, I think for now I'm gonna stick with the stock kernel also, I just remember back when I used to run KxK's kernels seeing great benchmarks and battery life I was always wondering if there were any faster out there lol
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There's always faster, the question is will they work. lol
When I'm running the newer Sense ports, HD or Z, I can only run 1.113, no matter how much or little voltage I give it. When I'm running an older one, I can go all the way up.
As for stability at 1.28G, I need to work on the voltage more, to find the sweet spot, I just did it 'cause Jugs said one of his Bravo buds had it working, so I had to try.
I'll keep playing with it if people are still interested, otherwise, I'll just keep at the lower speeds.
Z

Just loaded up your AOSP on Ruby 1.1.4. Running great, 1600 in Quad at 1ghz. Everything seems really smooth. Are the voltages undervolted at 1ghz? Maybe you could start your own thread?

Nevermind...found it!

ziggy471 said:
There's always faster, the question is will they work. lol
When I'm running the newer Sense ports, HD or Z, I can only run 1.113, no matter how much or little voltage I give it. When I'm running an older one, I can go all the way up.
As for stability at 1.28G, I need to work on the voltage more, to find the sweet spot, I just did it 'cause Jugs said one of his Bravo buds had it working, so I had to try.
I'll keep playing with it if people are still interested, otherwise, I'll just keep at the lower speeds.
Z
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By the way, my post wasn't meant to disrespect your efforts to 1.28GHz, I'm just giving fair warning that someone could possibly burn out their phone if they jack it up all the way. When I'm ready for an upgrade, I'll probably put this thing to the max.
Thanks Ziggy

hajabooja said:
Just loaded up your AOSP on Ruby 1.1.4. Running great, 1600 in Quad at 1ghz. Everything seems really smooth. Are the voltages undervolted at 1ghz? Maybe you could start your own thread?
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What AOSP kernel??? I only see one kernel, and it references skyraider, which leads me to believe it is a sense kernel
edit: I am dumb. It is a different thread on the same site as listed above
http://forum.androidmobilejunkie.com/threads/kernel-ziggy471-droid-incredible-aosp-23-oct.24/

rmaccamr said:
By the way, my post wasn't meant to disrespect your efforts to 1.28GHz, I'm just giving fair warning that someone could possibly burn out their phone if they jack it up all the way. When I'm ready for an upgrade, I'll probably put this thing to the max.
Thanks Ziggy
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I didn't take it as such, and I agree with you fully. I prefer somewhere between 1.113 and 1.15. That's the reason I included the init script to set the max at 1.113, which I find very stable and fast, hell I'd say 1865 quad with ID's Z port isn't too shabby at 1.13.
I should be able to get 1.28 more stable with playing with the voltages, it's just that takes time, and I wasted too much this morning doing both AOSP INC and Evo kernels, so I'm worn out for awhile on kernels. I still need to fix the Evo for puertoblack, since it appears I left the debug port out, so no adb for it. lol
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[Q] Fuel Effecient VS High Powered

Well we all know that some ROM/Kernel/Radio( R.K.R. for the rest of this post )setups have benefits and draw backs, usually pertaining to battery life versus function. I've yet to find one that is the best on both. I know of some arrangements that are balanced, but never full blast on both. What I would like to start discussing here are different RKR arrangements that have created either a high speed environment and those RKR setups that extend the battery life significantly. Being both a traveling person and a nerdy techi enthusiast , it'd be nice to know what I should use in my phone to allow me to listen to music / movies/ simple games the longest for 8 hour flights and what I can do to really enjoy my 3D gaming without any lag for when I don't care about my battery life.
Your thoughts?

CM7
Incredikernel 4/19 OC'd to 1113
11.19 Radio
Seemed to be good for performance and battery on my phone at least.
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So over clocking increased battery life? Seems backwards lol
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I didn't notice any difference in battery from running it at 998 or 1113 honestly.
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I have good luck with the following:
ROM: CM7.0.0
Kernel: SavagedZen 0.0.1 BFS
Radio: 11.19
Also, I'm OC'd to 1.152 GHz and am using viperboy's undervolt mod at -100mV.
For me, this results in great performance and very good battery life (at least for the last day or two, during which I've made it a point to stress it and see how it runs).

7he Messiah said:
I have good luck with the following:
ROM: CM7.0.0
Kernel: SavagedZen 0.0.1 BFS
Radio: 11.19
Also, I'm OC'd to 1.152 GHz and am using viperboy's undervolt mod at -100mV.
For me, this results in great performance and very good battery life (at least for the last day or two, during which I've made it a point to stress it and see how it runs).
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Do you think you can post links to those Roms / zips please?
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Sure, here you go:
CM7: http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?type=stable&device=inc
SavagedZen Kernel: savaged-zen.com (I can't seem to get their download page to work, but that might just be my computer as I am at work) (BTW, file name for the kernel I'm running is SavagedZen-0.0.1-INC-BFS-HAVS-GB-signed.zip)
Radio: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=886129
viperboy's Undervolt Mod: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052026
A few small notes...
1) The kernel: Some say that SZ is a ripoff of Tiamat.. I don't know if that's true or not, but I've had better luck with SZ, so I run it.
2) The radio: If you've never flashed a radio, be careful and read the instructions in the thread closely.
3) As far as OC'ing, CM7 has that built in under the CyanogenMod Settings menu, no need for SetCPU.
4) Undervolt Mod: I was one of what seemed like very few people that got the -100 undervolt to work.. if it is not stable, try some of the others viperboy has posted.
Good luck!

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4) Undervolt Mod: I was one of what seemed like very few people that got the -100 undervolt to work.. if it is not stable, try some of the others viperboy has posted.
Good luck!
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On a side note of this make sure whatever kernel you choose uses havs. A large group of people seem to be doing just fine with -50 voltage script. Radio can make a difference also. I'm currently using and have had the best luck with the 4.08 radio.
These are just my opinions, there what works for me. However not two phones are alike. In the end I'm sure you'll find your perfect setup.
DINC|CM7|INCREDIKERNEL|VB-50

So what does undervolting do? I am assuming it reduces power consumption yet at the same time you are over clocking. It seems like two factors that'd defeat eachother. However, again, it's why I started this thread is to learn more techniques than I already know.

7he Messiah said:
Sure, here you go:
CM7: http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?type=stable&device=inc
SavagedZen Kernel: savaged-zen.com (I can't seem to get their download page to work, but that might just be my computer as I am at work) (BTW, file name for the kernel I'm running is SavagedZen-0.0.1-INC-BFS-HAVS-GB-signed.zip)
Radio: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=886129
viperboy's Undervolt Mod: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052026
A few small notes...
1) The kernel: Some say that SZ is a ripoff of Tiamat.. I don't know if that's true or not, but I've had better luck with SZ, so I run it.
2) The radio: If you've never flashed a radio, be careful and read the instructions in the thread closely.
3) As far as OC'ing, CM7 has that built in under the CyanogenMod Settings menu, no need for SetCPU.
4) Undervolt Mod: I was one of what seemed like very few people that got the -100 undervolt to work.. if it is not stable, try some of the others viperboy has posted.
Good luck!
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I am fairly sure the downloads are gone saddly. Any chance you still have the downloads for the SV? And from your experience what's the difference between Tiamat and SV?

Reizvoller said:
So what does undervolting do? I am assuming it reduces power consumption yet at the same time you are over clocking. It seems like two factors that'd defeat eachother. However, again, it's why I started this thread is to learn more techniques than I already know.
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Yes, it does reduce power consumption. I'm pretty sure the reason that it works to OC is that all the undervolt script does is change the max draw of the CPU at any given frequency. So even though I'm running at a faster clock speed, the new max voltage draw at that speed may be lower than my previous max for stock clock speed.
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I am fairly sure the downloads are gone saddly. Any chance you still have the downloads for the SV? And from your experience what's the difference between Tiamat and SV?
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Yeah, I kinda figured that might be the case, but I wasn't going to rule out the POS computer I use for work. As far as why I run SZ instead of Tiamat is that the one time I tried Tiamat, I could not get my SD card to mount to my computer, despite the fact that it had been mounted just five minutes prior in order to put the Tiamat zip on for installation... After that, I gave up on Tiamat and don't bother trying it anymore.
Also, I have attached the zip of SZ for your flashing pleasure.

The undervolt causes my Droid Inc to get to the HTC splash and freeze there ( waited 20 mins) . I got the radio, rom, and kernel as you described
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Which undervolt level(s) did you try? Please keep in mind that like I said, most people haven't been able to get very far with -100 or -75mv, so I am a bit of a rarity in that regard.
If none of the undervolt mods work for you, I'd advise posting in the thread and seeing if viperboy has any ideas; he's been very supportive if people have issues.

Well none of the other downloads work *cries*
Are there any other "Undervolting" kernels or mods that you know of? I know Hydra is supposed to but their site doesn't work, it seems to have fallen off the map. Ideas?

Some kernels are undervolted as part of their design. invisiblek is one of them, and I know a lot of people run it. You might give that a shot.
Also, if you mean that viperboy's links are down, it might be nice to message him or post and let him know that if he does not already.

Reizvoller said:
Well none of the other downloads work *cries*
Are there any other "Undervolting" kernels or mods that you know of? I know Hydra is supposed to but their site doesn't work, it seems to have fallen off the map. Ideas?
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Links should be working, just double checked them and all the Inc ones work.