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Almost everyone I see on here has some sort of a problem with their phone. White screen, wifi not working, menus not showing up and god knows what else. Is there any ROM/upgrade/software that will make this phone stable?
mine runs perfectly fine, if you are unhappy with the current wm6 selections you can always fall back on the original cingular wm5 rom...
The very nature of the 8525, and the people on this forum, is FOR FUN!
The phone is highly cusomizable, and therein lies the instability.
Stick with stock and it will run fine!
only thing that really bothers me on custel rom is the IE getting stuck and not loading any pages. Requiring soft reset other then that so far so good!
reading threads and all the issues people have im wondering what they do to make it happen.
Ive had my phone for 6 months, flashed lots of different ROMS including WM5 and WM6 and i havent had any issues that i cant fix.
Software is wrote by humans so the quick and easy answer is .. no. There will never be a stable software that will work 100% on 100% of the phones. If you use Windows then your an unpaid beta tester for Microsoft. Think of this forum as a Microsoft forum for collecting all the issues and fixes for this software as a collaboration of every forum member. Just replace the Microsoft with HTC and that is more like it.
Stable and bug-free software? You are implying that people do their job and also test software? LOL, you should be a comedian. Look how well RIM tested their software last week (took down much of the Blackberry network).
that being said, what kinds of software are you looking for? Music/Video players? Text messaging apps? Office apps? Games?
I'm shocked at a question like this from someone with 6 whole posts. Ok, lesson in sarcasm over.
Look, you read a little and saw that with every new ROM there are problems. Read a little more and you usually find the fix to that very problem. If you yourself run into a problem, then you post and state what kinda problem you're having with what, then everyone else can help you. *sigh* This forum isn't a place where somethings released and all the angels and cherubs sing with praise. You have to have the patience and drive to know you're gonna run into problems from the get-go, but decide to stick around and work through them. Good luck in your quest to find the holy grail of apps though.
well it's just that id much rather be doing smething else than fixing my phone all day long. I'm not trying to offend anyone by the way, simply frustrated at fixin one thing and having another go wrong. Im gonna keep flashing untill it works rigth and if not, Im gonna giveup and go with stock since I'm not all that knowledgeable about this anyway
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well it's just that id much rather be doing smething else than fixing my phone all day long. I'm not trying to offend anyone by the way, simply frustrated at fixin one thing and having another go wrong. Im gonna keep flashing untill it works rigth and if not, Im gonna giveup and go with stock since I'm not all that knowledgeable about this anyway
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Re-flashing a new ROM wont fix anything. Have you read anything here? It's not offensive, and you're not offending anyone, but the whole process of flashing a ROM and seeing what works and what doesn't is what happens when you decide to do this. Each person here that's flashed a new ROM has thier own preferences as to what they want installed with it. Some apps are buggy, some aren't. If two people with identical phones flash identical new ROM's, they still might have totally different problems stemming from issues caused by what radio version they decided to try, what apps they installed or didn't install, whether they found the CAB that fixes a known problem or not. When I flashed my 8525 I went with Black 1.2 and still use it. Why? It's fast as hell, and over the weeks following the initial flash I found all the fixes to any problems I had incurred. Now my phone is sweet...to me. I'm happy. It wasn't a one day fix-all. Takes time to get it as near perfect as possible. Still freezes when I wanna run WAD on it, but oh well. It's something I know will happen when I use it. No biggie.
You need to be patient, and if you can't then this place isn't for you. You might be happier with the stock ROM that comes with your phone. It'll be less of a headache for yourself. Good luck in whatever you decide. I hope you decide to read more and work through the bugs. IMO I think you'll be happier in the end.
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well it's just that id much rather be doing smething else than fixing my phone all day long. I'm not trying to offend anyone by the way, simply frustrated at fixin one thing and having another go wrong. Im gonna keep flashing untill it works rigth and if not, Im gonna giveup and go with stock since I'm not all that knowledgeable about this anyway
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If you wish to have the most stable device possible your probably best off to download the latest Cingular ROM (which is WM5), ALL the WM6 roms here are developed by the community (obviously the chefs do the real hard work but the feedback from us users helps develop them) and such are improving ALL the time. Firstly since you are not up to date with your version of Black, upgrade to the latest one...also make sure you upgrade the SPL,IPL and Radio...these can contribute to stability.
How to upgrade to Black 2.5, IPL 1.04, SPL 2.10.olipro, Radio 1.41.00.10.
IF you are still not convinced then I would downgrade to WM5.
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well it's just that id much rather be doing smething else than fixing my phone all day long.
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isn't this the whole point of this forum and the wikis??
i'm not experienced as those other guys, but i'm pretty sure i've learned enough in the last 2 months to not have to sit here all day debugging, the only reason i spend 2 hours is b/c there's always better roms coming out and then u gotta customize your phone again...
Finally Usable
Have you even tried ANY WM6 ROM from this forum in comparison to the original WM5 Cingular 8525 ROM? My 8525 was nearly unusable. It locked up constantly. It had the sleep of death constantly. It was horrible! I decided to flash it with a WM6 ROM for the hell of it, and suddenly it was a useful device again. I have tried several ROMs on this forum, and all were better than the original, and all required some tweaking to work how I like it. The current big three, Black 2.5, LVSW, and CUSTEL, are all infinitely more usable out of the gate than that POS WM5 version ever was. If you want a trouble free phone, get a plain jane phone that does nothing but make phone calls. If you want a useable Hermes device, flash it with any one of these ROMS.
okay
I installed windows xp back on my pc which made things a little easier. I think my phones finaly working in order without any suprises.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1861878&postcount=76 promised to be out this weekend for the Kaiser
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363050 theres the thread
whos gonna make us a Sprint touch 6.1 ROM!!!
I have a feeling that some of the communities best folks are working hard on this acheivement. I'm guessing that we will see 6.1 on the Hermes first because the likeness of the phone in Asia that has 6.1.
I would love to see WM6.1 ported for the touch.
well someone in the Kaiser forum supposedly will have it for them by the end of the week so....im sure its fully possible for the touch too. Im sure hes using the same ROM thats floating around.
could you imagine? rip the gps/rev A off the mogul ROM and 6.1 all into one super ROM. The perfect phone i think
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well someone in the Kaiser forum supposedly will have it for them by the end of the week so....im sure its fully possible for the touch too. Im sure hes using the same ROM thats floating around.
could you imagine? rip the gps/rev A off the mogul ROM and 6.1 all into one super ROM. The perfect phone i think
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It certainly sounds like a "Super ROM" but then again you have to take into consideration that building, testing, and perfecting something like this is going to take time. If this is actually done, the initial release is going to have bugs like a cockroach infested house.
i would be happy with just a cab of the threaded sms...i hope it works with the touch keypad
i would love to try it
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i would be happy with just a cab of the threaded sms...i hope it works with the touch keypad
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I have the cab files for the palm threaded sms on my laptop at home and can upload that i have a feeling you already have it.
yes i have it. thank you...just the same problem with the keypad covering the words. i dont like the spb full keyboard option either. but if the 6.1 is set up like the native sms and the keyboard doesnt block what i am typing that would be perfect.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363578
screenshots of 6.1 running threaded looks like the palm one but keyboard doesnt cover. Definitely time to get this ported every other device is starting to get it now
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363578
screenshots of 6.1 running threaded looks like the palm one but keyboard doesnt cover. Definitely time to get this ported every other device is starting to get it now
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yes, lol, everyone has the palm threaded sms app, but for the touch devices this is not an option. we really need this 6.1. this alows threaded sms without the keyboard covering up the app problem. palm threaded sms has got to go bye bye. we need 6.1 forsure.
i can't wait
I have the OS but I need help isn trying to get this on our phone, if someone can help that would be great
you cannot just grab the kaiser release and make it for vogue
There are many methods people use to protect rom releases from being used in cooking. delete dsm files, delete rgu files, screw up packages.sof, etc. You can be sure that the upcoming WM6.1 releases will not nicely reconstruct for others to modify. The lucky few with a 6.1 source at this time have to protect it.
I personally will not sift thru this and that wm6.1 rom and fight to reconstruct a base. I intend to use WM6.1 on the vogue and titan, but not until I obtain it from an officially released carrier rom.
I see DCD1182.......so when are they talking about sending it out then?
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yes, lol, everyone has the palm threaded sms app, but for the touch devices this is not an option. we really need this 6.1. this alows threaded sms without the keyboard covering up the app problem. palm threaded sms has got to go bye bye. we need 6.1 forsure.
i can't wait
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i definetly agree
wow this kinda sucks Kaiser has 6.1 GSM Touch (by cloudya) now has 6.1 too per their forum section. Having CDMA sucks sometimes big time.
BTW 6.1 isnt even supposed to be unveiled until FEb 11th and not shipping out till MAY reportedly so youre talking a few month wait (up to 5 months) if no one takes the dive to put something together. Idk why every other forum here seems to have someone who got a non-timebombed version working for their respective device. Hopefully someone else will jump in and take care of this and maybe these other cookers will be willing to help with files even
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wow this kinda sucks Kaiser has 6.1 GSM Touch (by cloudya) now has 6.1 too per their forum section. Having CDMA sucks sometimes big time.
BTW 6.1 isnt even supposed to be unveiled until FEb 11th and not shipping out till MAY reportedly so youre talking a few month wait (up to 5 months) if no one takes the dive to put something together. Idk why every other forum here seems to have someone who got a non-timebombed version working for their respective device. Hopefully someone else will jump in and take care of this and maybe these other cookers will be willing to help with files even
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I think it's several factors that are why we will see it later, if not much later.
I think the biggest factor is that we are... CDMA. With a much more limited user base, it is just harder to get all the coders for it. Still though, we have many good coders, we just have to wait for one that really wants 6.1 before they will begin work on it.
Secondly, I think if it's being worked on, it's probably not on this site, probably on PPCGeeks (which is down unfortunatly). As that is a much bigger CDMA focused community, and once someone ports 6.1 for any of the CDMA devices, then I am sure someone will port it for the others... Then again I'm not sure if it even matters that it's GSM vs CDMA, is there any internal code that is specific to either?
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I think it's several factors that are why we will see it later, if not much later.
I think the biggest factor is that we are... CDMA. With a much more limited user base, it is just harder to get all the coders for it. Still though, we have many good coders, we just have to wait for one that really wants 6.1 before they will begin work on it.
Secondly, I think if it's being worked on, it's probably not on this site, probably on PPCGeeks (which is down unfortunatly). As that is a much bigger CDMA focused community, and once someone ports 6.1 for any of the CDMA devices, then I am sure someone will port it for the others... Then again I'm not sure if it even matters that it's GSM vs CDMA, is there any internal code that is specific to either?
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I'm pretty sure there is much more to it than you might think. Being CDMA, there very different radios in our devices and the bootloaders are all different from my understanding. It would take quite a bit more work to get this working on a CDMA device than some people are really willing to do unfortunately...
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I'm pretty sure there is much more to it than you might think. Being CDMA, there very different radios in our devices and the bootloaders are all different from my understanding. It would take quite a bit more work to get this working on a CDMA device than some people are really willing to do unfortunately...
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But Radios & Bootloaders are not in OS (only) Rom Updates (which I thought is what we were talking about?).
it ports really easy, i was talking about waiting for a source for final code. but yes the beta posted can be ported to a cdma device just as easy as gsm.
DCD,
can we try????? lets give us something since the Titan has just gotten a new rom, i would like to do this on my touch is there any instructions on how
Hi Cookers and Devs,
We face a set of problems with Hero custom roms. The fact is that nobody has been able to port another device's rom, even a cupcake rom. We always face the same main problems: no bluetooth, no trackball, no camera, no accelerometer and, most of the time, no GPS. We all tried lots of cooking (changed many files, libs etc...) with no success.
That is why we thought we were missing kernel sources. Now we have them, we have noticed that the customization of stock android-msm sources by HTC is huge compared to, for example, the small kernel patch for sapphire 32a devices. To port the changes to 2.6.29 kernel sources, we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks. But, the fact that we face the same problems for porting cupcake and donut roms make me think that the kernel version is NOT the problem.
My thought is that HTC's android customization may be huge too... (android framework may have been modified) But because of android's apache license they don't have to release sources. It is a hard and long work to guess all those changes...
Concerning rom cooking, Sapphire/Dream Cookers faced the same problems porting Hero roms to there devices for a long time. Drizzy has got bluetooth fixed no so long ago.... I am sure they have the knowledge we miss. But we then face an other problem, most of those Cookers think Hero is ****,or don't want to know anything about non google branded devices, or, coming from WinMo world, have lots of difficulties sharing their knowledge...
I suggest that we, all Hero rom cookers and devs, try to port Sapphire AOSP Cupcake to Hero. Why cupcake? Because we can be sure kernel version 2.6.27 is ok with it. I am pretty sure that, once done, we will be able to port other roms.
The progress of that work would go to this thread.
What you (devs and cookers) think ?
The 3.03 ROM I posted once was based on a Sapphire.
The easiest to port is the 32A.
Though a few things weren't working as planned, and the rom was plagued with speed issues, it worked.
(sometimes, it's a matter of coupling the right init from the initrd - kernel part)
The harder part is porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.29 kernel.
My guess?
I've taken a look at the 2.6.27/29 diff, and it isn't worth the time, to get a community-driven 2.6.29 tree.
HTC will long before that release the 2.6.29 kernel.
adwinp said:
The 3.03 ROM I posted once was based on a Sapphire.
The easiest to port is the 32A.
Though a few things weren't working as planned, and the rom was plagued with speed issues, it worked.
(sometimes, it's a matter of coupling the right init from the initrd - kernel part)
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Was it cupcake? Did bluetooth, accelerometer, Gps worked? Any link to it?
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The harder part is porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.29 kernel.
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Well, sure it is harder, but we face about the same as porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.27 kernel. That is what makes me think kernel version may not be the solution for most of the problems we face.
adwinp said:
My guess?
I've taken a look at the 2.6.27/29 diff, and it isn't worth the time, to get a community-driven 2.6.29 tree.
HTC will long before that release the 2.6.29 kernel.
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Yes it worth the time. Creating a 2.6.29 branch on github easy, applying patch isn't: many rejects. And yes we'll have to wait a long time for HTC to release 2.6.29 Hero kernel sources
we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks
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regarding that issue, maybe we could setup some kind of donation and give the donation as a "reward" to the "expert" dev who first can provide a working kernel...?
i know its a long shot...
and it all depends on how willing the HERO community is willing to donate...
nice going guys. i was really getting tired to see no remarkable development in hero and was planning to get an additional dream just for playing. and i was really dissappointed seeing hero cookers not giving much **** about roms and releasing nice stuffs.
now i understand what the barricades are. and yeah its true that dream and sapphire cookers really dont give **** about hero. i am creating a theme of my own and wanted to have a transparent top taskbar and top clock color black and i asked several time sin dream and sapphire threads but dint get a SINGLE reply.
however, its really true that HTC wont be giving us 2.6.29 any time soon rather will make it as longer as possible. so it would be best to try ourselves to make it ourselves. and as its really a troublesome work it wud be really great if u guys cud have worked together to get it quickly.
and as we all know none of u live on cooking roms i wud really to contribute in the donation thing as much i can. a $20 donation doesnt really hurt much to get my $700 phone going.
last but not the least... request to other fellow hero users....... please help ourselves by rising a fund of donation for our cookers so that they get enough encouragement for cooking hero roms.
regards
have you taken into consideration that eclair is about to come? i don't want to take the fun out of it, in fact i think it is a very good idea what lox proposed here. but i myself find myself rather reluctant to try to mod anything except tweaking mcr2.9 a little more... not that i had the capabilities to seriously do some kernel hacking/modding/developing, but at least i was able to compile my own working kernel, so i am not completely clueless.
again, don't want to take the fun out of it, i would just imagine that you have a hard time motivating members to donate 1.5/1.6 improvement, when eclair is just around the edge...
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have you taken into consideration that eclair is about to come? i don't want to take the fun out of it, in fact i think it is a very good idea what lox proposed here. but i myself find myself rather reluctant to try to mod anything except tweaking mcr2.9 a little more... not that i had the capabilities to seriously do some kernel hacking/modding/developing, but at least i was able to compile my own working kernel, so i am not completely clueless.
again, don't want to take the fun out of it, i would just imagine that you have a hard time motivating members to donate 1.5/1.6 improvement, when eclair is just around the edge...
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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well obviously you have more experience with the smartphone stuff, my (first and) last one (before the hero) died in 2005... but i won't give up the hope
all i am saying is that this should be taken into consideration, before anyone starts a donation run that ends up having collected 160$ and a whole bunch of disappointed members...
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well obviously you have more experience with the smartphone stuff, my (first and) last one (before the hero) died in 2005... but i won't give up the hope
all i am saying is that this should be taken into consideration, before anyone starts a donation run that ends up having collected 160$ and a whole bunch of disappointed members...
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bro i completely understand what u wanna say as the money we want to donate has to be earned by hard work by us. but u be sure that it will be at least 4-5 months before u get full eclair for hero. and i recon if our devs work unitedly and gets some expert help from outside then its possible to get 2.6.29 kernel and other things in 1-1.5 month.
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And yes we'll have to wait a long time for HTC to release 2.6.29 Hero kernel sources
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Given that HTC haven't shipped a Hero with a 2.6.29 kernel, they have no requirement to do so!
HOWEVER......
What about the Tattoo? That's Donut, so it will have a 2.6.29 kernel, and therefore HTC must provide the kernel source. I'll wager there is some significant similarity between the kernel modifications required for Hero and those required for the Tattoo.
Perhaps it is time for us to start badgering HTC for the Tattoo kernel source!
FWIW, I've been trying to build a 2.6.29 kernel using a diff patch for AOSP 2.6.27 vs Hero 2.6.27, but I seem to be thwarted at every turn.
Regards,
Dave
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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Ok i am speechless now .... i mean i have to agree with "dying4004"... These companies are really only making money and dont give a rat's ass about customer services and after sales... i mean thats the real logic behind it right... WOW u have opened my eyes dude ....
but BRO i wanted some insight into something that has been induced into our brains for so long... Without customers companies cant make money... i mean any one with a brain would obviously not go for a company that has screwed him over with false promises, right? Yet all the companies ( or should i say SATAN WORSHIPERS ) are still in the bidnes and still making money and people ( minions ) are still buying products from these companies...
i did some thinking and i remember i had a HTC diamond and the track pad was a bit faulty so i took it to the Htc service center and they REPLACED the trackpad !!! i mean what atrocity innit... EVIL EVIL EVIL ...
lolz ... dying4004 why are you against these companies and more so why are u hell bent on preaching a March-April release of Eclair for Hero.... i have seen u do that in other threads as well....
If u have had a bad experience with one of these companies, please do share coz i am begining to think that it will make for an interesting listen.
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Ok i am speechless now .... i mean i have to agree with "dying4004"... These companies are really only making money and dont give a rat's ass about customer services and after sales... i mean thats the real logic behind it right... WOW u have opened my eyes dude ....
but BRO i wanted some insight into something that has been induced into our brains for so long... Without customers companies cant make money... i mean any one with a brain would obviously not go for a company that has screwed him over with false promises, right? Yet all the companies ( or should i say SATAN WORSHIPERS ) are still in the bidnes and still making money and people ( minions ) are still buying products from these companies...
i did some thinking and i remember i had a HTC diamond and the track pad was a bit faulty so i took it to the Htc service center and they REPLACED the trackpad !!! i mean what atrocity innit... EVIL EVIL EVIL ...
lolz ... dying4004 why are you against these companies and more so why are u hell bent on preaching a March-April release of Eclair for Hero.... i have seen u do that in other threads as well....
If u have had a bad experience with one of these companies, please do share coz i am begining to think that it will make for an interesting listen.
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bro i am not against all those companies. i mean then i cant use any mobile phone. i am just practical. just see how the nokia users r complaining about firmwares for their high end phones. how much craving is going within the 5800 users for kinetic scrolling. check how much impatience is going through the samsung omnia i8910 users for a single new rom. see how u guys did for the source code for hero. what i am saying is simple......... it wont be a good idea to stop development of recent hero roms just for the sake of eclair which we dont know when gets release. rest is upto u. i cant force any1 to do anything. this is simply my personal experience with mobile phone manufacturers for last 7-8 years. cheers
Great post Lox_Dev and thank you for bring all the problems to our attention. It is heartbreaking to see such a great little phone be left to stew on the few HTC "released" roms out there. I dont confess to know that much about kernel building so I wont be much help there however I do believe we as a community can get there in the end! What I'm trying to say is dont give i
Lox_Dev
behnaam
adwinp
and of course Paul from MoDaCo who first started the ball rolling
we are all behind you guys!
I know its so different from cooking Windows rom (because I've tried myself) but I think in time anything can be done and please dont be put off by the lack of responses you get on this forum.
Now onto the positive .................... Once my internet connection at home gets sorted (VirginMedia to send me a replacement modem) I'll have another look at building a linux environment and jump aboard.
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it wont be a good idea to stop development of recent hero roms just for the sake of eclair which we dont know when gets release. rest is upto u.
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If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
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If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
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hey bro.... exactly where did i say that i dont know how to do and stuffs?? at 1sy read then post ur comments......... and in this thread i said i am willing to donate for the work and i asked others to donate as well to contribute in the way we can.
and i have made and posted 1 theme for hero and i have made another theme and i will post it tomorow. so read before u speak.
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hey bro.... exactly where did i say that i dont know how to do and stuffs?? at 1sy read then post ur comments......... and in this thread i said i am willing to donate for the work and i asked others to donate as well to contribute in the way we can.
and i have made and posted 1 theme for hero and i have made another theme and i will post it tomorow. so read before u speak.
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(My emphasis!)
You should follow your own advice!
I asked a question:
If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
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Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
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This is merely pointing out that if your *answer* to my question is "I don't know how to do it", you could always learn!
Nowhere do I say that you "dont know how to do and stuffs??".
And you still haven't answered the question!
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Dave
yes i am learning and i am excercising my knowledge in makling theme for the community. at least i am doing what i can. i am even willing to donate for the devs.
and what u r doing? shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works.
go learn sumthing, show us and then shout at others.
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yes i am learning and i am excercising my knowledge in makling theme for the community. at least i am doing what i can. i am even willing to donate for the devs.
and what u r doing? shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works.
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I thought that was what you were doing?
I've never "shouted" at any one, or tried to push any one into doing something that is likely to be a waste of time due to the arrival of an HTC built 2.0 and which I personally *know* is extremely difficult.
How do I know?
Because I've tried it!!!!
Here's what I have done:
1. Built an Ubuntu development environment *expressly* for these purposes.
2. Downloaded the Hero kernel sources and the stock 2.6.27 sources.
3. Diff'd the two trees to see what needs patching
4. Downloaded the 2.6.29 kernel sources
5. Attemped to apply the patch from (3) to 2.6.29
6. Built the kernel
7. Put in on my phone, with the CleanION ROM.
8. Watched in awe as it just hung as the boot splash screen until I pulled the battery out.
Note that even getting the AOSP kernel source from the git repos proved to a hellishly time consuming task because the repos kept timing out and/or refusing connection!
Despite my efforts, I've not turned up *any* tangible results, which is why I've not bothered to mention them here. I'm at the point now where I don't know if I want to commit any further time and effort on what is essentially a fools errand. I'm not saying that my efforts were anything particularly "special", but certainly I can say with absolutely honesty that I've tried!
When Lox_Dev says "To port the changes to 2.6.29 kernel sources, we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks", I know for a fact that this is true, so it is getting quite irritating to keep hearing people who "don't know" telling those of us who "do know" that we should all be getting together to make it work!
So, in absolutely no way am I "shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works", because I have already expended far more time and effort than most.
go learn sumthing, show us and then shout at others.
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Once again, I suggest that you take your own advice!
regards,
Dave
I'm all for working on porting AOSP Sapphire to the Hero, but some of us need a bit more guidance on getting their development/cooking environment set up. There's a shocking amount of information out there, and it makes breaking into the 'scene' a bit difficult.
Accelerometer should be the focus of our work (in my opinion) since without the keyboard, it's really hard to get some things done in the portrait mode. I'd love to focus on that, since the Google ION Rom with Donut makes me incredibly happy, with that exception.
okay, bros, just to contribute a little bit:
http://www.youtube.com/v/FLRqOuB798A
Seeing that, and imagining it's working 100% and running on our Hero's, really makes me hard.
We will get there. But yes, the path will be difficult. I also want to donate btw.
Anyway, HTC indeed doesn't give a F--- about our android OS. they will release 800*480 handsets in 1-3 months, and maybe won't even port the UI elements to our resolution/hero.
In a way, we are F---ed, we have a very old android handset, with not even half the capabilities of new ones like the droid or upcoming x10 or HTC handsets. And without the knowledge to port all of the new kernels (with parts missing, ie; the hero kernel supposedly had parts missing) they phone might even grow older every month. I a way I should be happy I payed 340 Euro instead of 480 or something..
So yeah, in a way I believe that the handset will be discontinued very shortly. The G1 has the community to back it up, people had it for more than a year and grew attached to it. The Hero does not have that luxury.
So while the hope lies in you, developers; aside from 'homebrew' i'm afraid the future is very bleak. HTC wants your money. They can target little girls tomorrow and kids who just want a 'cool' phone, and we will be left in the cold for children who get a new phone with the contract every year.
So power to the developers!
I've been on some other forums wondering what phone to buy, and it seems the tilt2 is the best for me. That being said, I'm not totally sold on it. For you people who've had it long enough, would you recommend it? I'm committed to learning about the best ROM to install over it, so I'm going to try to get away from as many freezes as possible. Of course, I was recommended to *this* wonderful site!
Does anyone have a good place to start for learning on here? There's a freakton of information on here, and I have no problem reading through lots of info, but I don't know where to start!
I would be much appreciative. Thanks!
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Yes!
Go and get it!!
Rhodium is the best hardware keyboard device to this date!
I´m very happy with mine
This is my 3rd HTC device. With my big fingers, a hardware keyboard is a MUST. The Tilt had a good keyboard, the Fuze had a better keyboard, the Tilt2 has the best keyboard for someone like me. And now that I have to have bifocal glasses , the larger screen is MUCH appreciated.
I say get it as well. I had the Fuze, AT&T's version of the original Touch Pro, for a week and hated it. I just got a Tilt 2 and it's a much better device. I've been using it for a few days and haven't noticed any freezing or bad lag. I've loaded a few programs and done a few registry tweaks and so far I've been very happy with the results. Slingplayer Mobile looks great on this device and I get GPS locks in seconds in both Google Maps and Bing Mobile. The touch screen is very responsive and TouchFlo 3D has really improved in a year. I noticed some complaints about the Widcomm Bluetooth stack but the phone paired right away with my Motorola headset and the handsfree system in my Acura RL and has worked flawlessly with both.
I plan on deleting as many of the stock bloatware programs as I can to free up some memory, but so far the stock AT&T ROM has been fine. The keyboard is awesome - I don't mind having the symbols in the top row as I seem to use them more when typing emails. This is a really nice device.
So what's the favorite ROM around here? Might be a week (or a few evne) before I pick this up, and I want to make sure I have my technology down so I don't keep on flashing.
I have a Motorola Q9h at the moment.... it's what got me hooked on windows mobile. I couldn't believe that I could actually edit the registry! So yeah, I'm all about tweaks, but I remember my first couple weeks and I was all over the place trying to find all the tweaks I needed.
I'm hoping to go into this next move prepared.
My advice is this - make sure you try the phone out first. Try to have a conversation in a moderately noisy environment and see if you can hear the other person, even with the volume on full.
Loud enough for you? If so, then get the phone. Everything else about it is awesome.
If not loud enough, forget it, find a different phone made by a company who doesn't assume all their customers have bionic ears. It will drive you crazy and frustrate you every phone call, and there is no fix.
The best rom for me which is closest to stock as possible is here. I currently have been running for about a month and this is stable and great. Very close to the ATT stock rom.
It's a terrific phone, I highly recommend it. The keyboard is the best I've ever used, the screen is gorgeous, and the build quality is fantastic. If you're looking to start somewhere, I recommend the following links: XDA-Developers Wiki article on the Rhodium and Flashing your first Rhodium ROM. Of all the places to start, those are probably best. The stickies at the top of the forums are also good to read, as they often contain important information.
Also, as many will tell you, there is no best ROM. I personally like EnergyROM Leo for my purposes, but other ROMs may work best for what you prefer to do with your Rhodium. I would recommend looking in peoples' signatures and seeing what ROMs people are using, or better yet, flash them all and see what works for you. Now that that's out of the way, welcome to XDA-Developers!
Perfect Dave!! Thanks a ton!
If I could rep you guys on these boards I would!
Phrozt said:
Perfect Dave!! Thanks a ton!
If I could rep you guys on these boards I would!
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DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
It's a terrific phone, I highly recommend it. The keyboard is the best I've ever used, the screen is gorgeous, and the build quality is fantastic. If you're looking to start somewhere, I recommend the following links: XDA-Developers Wiki article on the Rhodium and Flashing your first Rhodium ROM. Of all the places to start, those are probably best. The stickies at the top of the forums are also good to read, as they often contain important information.
Also, as many will tell you, there is no best ROM. I personally like EnergyROM Leo for my purposes, but other ROMs may work best for what you prefer to do with your Rhodium. I would recommend looking in peoples' signatures and seeing what ROMs people are using, or better yet, flash them all and see what works for you. Now that that's out of the way, welcome to XDA-Developers!
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Unless he's having specific issues or a WM veteran I don't see why you'd point him to how to flash a ROM first thing... Probably let him use the device out-of-box for a bit.
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Unless he's having specific issues or a WM veteran I don't see why you'd point him to how to flash a ROM first thing... Probably let him use the device out-of-box for a bit.
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The OP was interested in information concerning cooked ROMs, and where a good place to start would be. I figured that they'd want to know the process of installing one since they were inquiring about which one they should flash, and I thought that link would be a good place to start (when concerning ROMs). It's not like they have to flash one just because I linked there, and if they'd seen the instructions already there's no harm, so I thought I was being helpful by posting a useful related link. IMO there's nothing wrong with using a device out of the box (I did for ~1 year), but the OP requested more info on ROMs and I simply gave it to them.
I've had my Tilt 2, for 2 weeks.
And I LOVE IT !!!
And i'm already a flashing whore ..........
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Unless he's having specific issues or a WM veteran I don't see why you'd point him to how to flash a ROM first thing... Probably let him use the device out-of-box for a bit.
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Yeah, I've been using WM for 2 years now on my motorola q9h. The tweaking aspect is the reason I *want* to stay w/WM... and I was definitely looking for exactly what dave posted!
Also, as I indicated in a few posts, I want to know as much as I can before actually getting the phone so I can flash it, tweak it, set it up how I want it, and then not touch it so that I can keep a stable environment. I don't want to lose my messages and things...
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And i'm already a flashing whore ..........
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Let's leave your mom out of this
(I'm sorry, I have a chronic condition involving mom jokes)
well.... I just picked up the tilt 2 . it's pretty cool so far but I do notice all the lag people have been talking about... will prolly just take some getting used to.
My advice would be to try and get the out-of-the-box system working, install a few apps / shells / tweaks, figure out what's important to you and then flash. Pretty much any stock rom will be lag-free or lag-minimal. There's a lot of good ROMs / chefs out there. Flashing several will definitely whet your appetite.
~Eric
After owning this thing for awhile.. good LORD does it freeze up a lot :/. I mean, I get used to it and "deal" with it, but it becomes painfull noticeable when my friend has his droid out.
Maybe it's time to start looking into those homebrews for better efficiency, heh.
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After owning this thing for awhile.. good LORD does it freeze up a lot :/. I mean, I get used to it and "deal" with it, but it becomes painfull noticeable when my friend has his droid out.
Maybe it's time to start looking into those homebrews for better efficiency, heh.
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I rarely reset my phone for freezing issues, especially on sense 2.1 ROMs. Sense 2.5 ROMs maybe once a week at most. At the end of the day to get a phone that more closely functions how you want it to, a custom ROM is the way to go.
I will say the most stable release I ever used was the stock VZW 6.1 TF3D 2.0. I could run that thing for weeks and still idle at 49%.
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After owning this thing for awhile.. good LORD does it freeze up a lot :/. I mean, I get used to it and "deal" with it, but it becomes painfull noticeable when my friend has his droid out.
Maybe it's time to start looking into those homebrews for better efficiency, heh.
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There's a couple of things that should be done with all new TP2's to help reduce memory hogging and help performance in general:
First, run the first two cabs below. One switches off push internet for a big resource savings. The other one switches on dynamic memory allocation, which does a much better job of freeing up memory when apps aren't using it.
Next, run the Advanced Config cab below...it's a utility that gives you access to all sorts of deeper-level settings in the phone. When you run it, navigate to the "power management" section, and make the first 7 entries there set to "enabled (advised)"
Do a soft-reset after these, and you should see a significant reduction in memory use and lock-ups.
Lastly, use the Crud Scraper attached below...copy it to your SD card and just run the .exe from there (not your PC). It allows you to uninstall a fair amount of the bloat AT&T was generous enough to include on the phone
Some pretty good advice in this thread for new users. I've been playing with WM since well before it was WM and I've had an overwhelmingly positive experience with it, that is until i moved from the kaiser to the tilt2. I was ready to chunk it and get something else but decided to flash a few roms first. Not expecting much i was surprised by the significant performance improvements and overall appeal the device gained over the stock At&t rom.
My advice, I woudl only try "fixing" the issues with teh stock rom if you are absolutley stuck with it. if you are not stuck using the AT&T rom for some reason flash one, there are several good ones out there and all of them seem to be an improvement over the At&t rom in terms of stability and performance.
Hello everyone,
I would like to give some feedback on my experience with cutstom rom's available for the rhodium.
First of all, I want to thank all people on this forum who are kindly providing their work and time. thanks to all of you guys
I was looking for a custom rom in order to get something that isn't on the last wm 6.5 official/stock rom : speed (i'm using a french/european version of the rhodium)
Because many people on many different forums told me that I had to try those custom rom's, that they are much better in pretty much each aspect, I tought "let's give it a try"
So, I came here and, since the last 2 months, I tried barely each "energy" rom's (those one's who seemed to be the most downloaded/popular) but also some other ones.
Actually, I am kinda disappointed. As a matter of fact, I think i didn't get out one single positive point from the whole experience.
For example, I can't even tell you how much business calls I missed, don't even want think about it.
ROM's I tried are slower, more bugged in a general way, and poor "amateur-style" designed (last point which is logic, but has to be said) than the last stock/original HTC wm 6.5 (european) rom
As a consequence to what, I strongly diss-recommended to any professional user to try anything here while he has to use the device to earn money : it's a very very bad idea.
For me, technically, a big part of the problem comes from rohdium's hardware which is simply to low to run wm 6.5 smoothly, no matter how you try, it's not doing it / end of the story
Now, I got back to the stock wm 6.1 rom which runs..normaly
Sometimes there's a lag in a menu, but I can go on with that..at least I'm not loosing money anymore.
Finally, I'm not saying all of this in order to start a flame war but only to spare time to the professional user who needs his rhodium to work with : if you read me, just stick to the wm 6.1 stock rom, it is definitely the best option you have
alvoryx said:
Hello everyone,
I would like to give some feedback on my experience with cutstom rom's available for the rhodium.
First of all, I want to thank all people on this forum who are kindly providing their work and time. thanks to all of you guys
I was looking for a custom rom in order to get something that isn't on the last wm 6.5 official/stock rom : speed (i'm using a french/european version of the rhodium)
Because many people on many different forums told me that I had to try those custom rom's, that they are much better in pretty much each aspect, I tought "let's give it a try"
So, I came here and, since the last 2 months, I tried barely each "energy" rom's (those one's who seemed to be the most downloaded/popular) but also some other ones.
Actually, I am kinda disappointed. As a matter of fact, I think i didn't get out one single positive point from the whole experience.
For example, I can't even tell you how much business calls I missed, don't even want think about it.
ROM's I tried are slower, more bugged in a general way, and poor "amateur-style" designed (last point which is logic, but has to be said) than the last stock/original HTC wm 6.5 (european) rom
As a consequence to what, I strongly diss-recommended to any professional user to try anything here while he has to use the device to earn money : it's a very very bad idea.
For me, technically, a big part of the problem comes from rohdium's hardware which is simply to low to run wm 6.5 smoothly, no matter how you try, it's not doing it / end of the story
Now, I got back to the stock wm 6.1 rom which runs..normaly
Sometimes there's a lag in a menu, but I can go on with that..at least I'm not loosing money anymore.
Finally, I'm not saying all of this in order to start a flame war but only to spare time to the professional user who needs his rhodium to work with : if you read me, just stick to the wm 6.1 stock rom, it is definitely the best option you have
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Its based on user preference. I used to like Energy, but now in my opinion its just slow, overloaded junk. I used to think the same until I found Valkyrie. From there I was a fan of that ROM. However, the chef left so now I make my own ROMs. Just to make sure, have you tried Valkyrie, WCX Iluminati, Simplicity, Eden or even mines (in my sig)? I talk to the Wild Child (the WCX chef) and I know he takes pride in his ROMs and they are rock solid. I have tried them before. Try his, try mines, and try the ones I gave you on the list. See if you like any.
If not, maybe you like Sense 2.1 ROMs with 6.1. There is chefs cooking that around here. Look around. There is way more chefs and better selection than when I first started with my Rhodium.
If you want speed and reliability from a cooked ROM, you need to try Ondraster's LBFAR ROMs. They are definitely the cleanest ones in the forum.
Yeah the reason that my dad and I use a custom rom (valkyre) is because we want to miss a lot of calls.
Come on, I use my phone for business everyday and I never have problems that you descripe. What did you expect then? That when you are messing with the software, all your problems will be solved?
I agree that some roms are more stable and faster then other roms. But that's the choice that you make when using them.
Some people are just not made for driving a car, maybe you are not made for flashing...
One last thing, change your topic title, it's not feedback it's flaming.
That's not flaming, that's giving advice. And it's (generally) good advice. Flashing ROMs is fun, tinkering with settings and mods etc. is fun. That's probably why a lot of us have stuck with WM for so long.
But my experience with flashing ROMs is pretty similar to the OPs. Fun, but ultimately most have too many bugs, quirks, and so on for people who don't use their mobile device as a toy. Also, the claims that this ROM or that ROM gives some great performance boost is mostly bunk. These speed gains are mostly imaginary.
Time after time, with every device I've had, I ultimately find that the closer to stock the phone is, the better it performs. That's not a flame on the chefs out there, I have a lot of admiration for them, and whenever I get a new phone I can't resist the urge to flash lots of ROMs and tinker, tinker, tinker. After a few months, though, when my phone becomes a tool rather than a new toy, I invariably go back to nearly stock.
On my Tilt 2, I'm running the "official" new Tilt 2 ROM (the one with Sense 2.5) and Cookies Home Tabs, and that's basically it.
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Yeah the reason that my dad and I use a custom rom (valkyre) is because we want to miss a lot of calls.
Come on, I use my phone for business everyday and I never have problems that you descripe. What did you expect then? That when you are messing with the software, all your problems will be solved?
I agree that some roms are more stable and faster then other roms. But that's the choice that you make when using them.
Some people are just not made for driving a car, maybe you are not made for flashing...
One last thing, change your topic title, it's not feedback it's flaming.
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comon i know you're pissed because you loosed the world cup ^^
(--> u see the difference ? that was a flame)
no seriously, don't be pissed i'm giving my point of view it's all.
besides, take it for what it is but i'm a system engineer..I think flashing a pda is counting within the things I can do
sure i didn't test them ALL..but like 20 of them.. after that, it's only a matter of time..
and this thread is because, now my estimation is that I spend enough time trying..
maybe i could point out "the professional user who doesn't want to spend 4 months searching around" ..ok ok u got it xD
but i think u got also what i meaned