16 gb micro sd for 17 bucks! - EVO 4G Accessories

If anyone lives near a Fry's electronics, right now they have a 16gb micro sd (panasonic) on sale for about 17 bucks after mail in rebate.

How much is it before the mail in rebate?

Vandam500 said:
How much is it before the mail in rebate?
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$42.99
and it's a class 2 card

16gb Polaroid Class 2 Micro SDHC at Fry's

beaker77 said:
$42.99
and it's a class 2 card
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Whats the class of the Sandisk that comes in the box with the phone?

MadhouseMedic said:
Whats the class of the Sandisk that comes in the box with the phone?
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i just checked mine mine is Hw 0002 with nova screen. It came with 8gb class 2
i heard some HW were bundled with different cards

deviouskater said:
i just checked mine mine is Hw 0002 with nova screen. It came with 8gb class 2
i heard some HW were bundled with different cards
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I'm not one to obsess over classes. I don't notice a difference to be honest but that's just me. This sounds like a good deal.

beaker77 said:
16gb Polaroid Class 2 Micro SDHC at Fry's
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Much better deal IMO. This card performs quite speedy

beaker77 said:
16gb Polaroid Class 2 Micro SDHC at Fry's
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Very fast write speed/speed, on par with class 6.
MadhouseMedic said:
Whats the class of the Sandisk that comes in the box with the phone?
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Class 2 Samsung (epic fail write speed, I got 2.2 mb/s write on the one I tested) or Sandisk (epic fail read speed, less than 7 mb/s on the two I tested, considering that most class 2/6 cards that you buy get at least 12 mb/s read)
HTC basically bought the worst cards from each company respectively.

jerryparid said:
Very fast write speed/speed, on par with class 6.
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thanks for tip. in for one. (what slickdeals?!?). and I thought I kicked that addiction . . .

Yeah, they bought really ****ty cards from the companies. Probably even cheaper versions than the class 2 cards by the same companies you'd buy at the stores.
The card at Fry's is also made by PNY, which usually sticks to what they advertise.

you can get a 32g for ~$50 at verizon. class 2.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=accessoryDetails&archetypeId=12214
courtesy of slick deals.

madsquabbles said:
you can get a 32g for ~$50 at verizon. class 2.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=accessoryDetails&archetypeId=12214
courtesy of slick deals.
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Saweet!!! This is the deal I was lookin for.

madsquabbles said:
you can get a 32g for ~$50 at verizon. class 2.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=accessoryDetails&archetypeId=12214
courtesy of slick deals.
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The title says 32 but the picture is of 16gb card, I guess its two 16gb cards instead of one card.

32GB Class 2 for $50
Sandisk 32GB MicroSDHC $50 +tax shipped from Verizon
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2130556&p=31116280&highlight=#post31116280
Note that this is possibly a price mistake, so your purchase may get canceled.
Edit: Wow! duplicate in just minutes.

IceCreaMan said:
The title says 32 but the picture is of 16gb card, I guess its two 16gb cards instead of one card.
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product number on the page and on my order confirmation is for the 32GB.
it's gone back to $100. guess i'll see if it's canceled or if i get the memory on monday.

I cought that 50$ deal on verizon bout one for wife to ...
Order confirmation shows clearly 32gb and card was already charged properly

sracercelica said:
If anyone lives near a Fry's electronics, right now they have a 16gb micro sd (panasonic) on sale for about 17 bucks after mail in rebate.
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Thanks for the heads up, picked one up tonight. Great card for the money, conservatively rated like most brand-name flash these days; labeled class 2 but performs closer to class 6. Here are some CrystalDiskMark results...
mounted in Evo (stock 2.1):
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CrystalDiskMark 3.0 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]
Sequential Read : 12.339 MB/s
Sequential Write : 6.245 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 12.271 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 4.660 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 2.031 MB/s [ 495.8 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 2.036 MB/s [ 497.1 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 1.504 MB/s [ 367.3 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 2.034 MB/s [ 496.6 IOPS]
Test : 100 MB [G: 50.4% (7.5/14.9 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2010/07/17 2:20:00
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition [6.1 Build 7600] (x64)
mounted in Transcend SDHC USB adapter:
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CrystalDiskMark 3.0 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]
Sequential Read : 20.090 MB/s
Sequential Write : 6.893 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 19.938 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 1.080 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 4.242 MB/s [ 1035.7 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 0.102 MB/s [ 24.9 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 4.120 MB/s [ 1006.0 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 0.067 MB/s [ 16.3 IOPS]
Test : 100 MB [G: 0.0% (0.0/14.9 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2010/07/16 23:48:03
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition [6.1 Build 7600] (x64)

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Cheap Memory Card

i found a cheap memory card and just wanted to share with you guys http://www.techdealdigger.com/pr/cheap-lexar-16-gb-platinum-ii-60x-sdhc-deals/2517
thnx m8, next time post it in accessories though .
Info is always appreciated!
uhh, on second thought, that wont work with the phone as a user below pointed out.
Did you get one?
labbu63 said:
i found a cheap memory card and just wanted to share with you guys http://www.techdealdigger.com/pr/cheap-lexar-16-gb-platinum-ii-60x-sdhc-deals/2517
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If I am not mistaken, that is a standard SDHC, and not the micro SDHC that our phones require.
I got this one and works fine:
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-micro...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1281392547&sr=1-1
^That's what I have,
formats to about 14gb of space and is pretty snappy
There are a couple of off-brand class 6 cards that have shown up on ebay and Amazon called TopRam and 3C Pro. Anyone have experience with these?
I am familiar with the usual suspects (i.e. Sandisk, Kingston, Patriot, A-Data, etc). but was wondering if there have been any positive reviews with the ones above since then do tend to run substantially cheaper.
*Edit* Doh, not microsd!!
LinuxNewb said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245
I'm going to get this and see how well it works. AData is a good company (bought some ddr2 for my media computer). The one from the Amazon link (SanDisk) is only a class 2 while the adata is a class 6 and a good price
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The card you linked is SDHC, not microSDHC, won't fit. Wish you could get microSDHC class 6 for that price.
rickgrob said:
The card you linked is SDHC, not microSDHC, won't fit. Wish you could get microSDHC class 6 for that price.
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Just noticed that and was about to edit. That's what I get for surfing while working!
If you're lucky to have Micro Center stores in your area, their house brand 16GB microSD card is not bad at all. For $34, you get a card marked as class 2. But I've tested mine on my PC and its write speed is around 7 MB/s and read speed is around 14 MB/s, practically a class 6 card! No wonder this card always seems to be out of stock quick.
dang before when i checked it it was a micro sdhc weird
foxbat121 said:
If you're lucky to have Micro Center stores in your area, their house brand 16GB microSD card is not bad at all. For $34, you get a card marked as class 2. But I've tested mine on my PC and its write speed is around 7 MB/s and read speed is around 14 MB/s, practically a class 6 card! No wonder this card always seems to be out of stock quick.
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Sandisk 16gb class 2 cards perform the same and can be had cheaper on amazon
\/icious said:
Sandisk 16gb class 2 cards perform the same and can be had cheaper on amazon
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Class 2 = 2MB/s. The review I saw show the Sandisk can be as fast as 4 to 5 MB/s.
foxbat121 said:
Class 2 = 2MB/s. The review I saw show the Sandisk can be as fast as 4 to 5 MB/s.
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i know what class means. There have seen a few reviews stating 6+ writing. Sandisk is about as as good a quality chip that you can get so paying less and getting quality is a win win.
pinoymutt said:
There are a couple of off-brand class 6 cards that have shown up on ebay and Amazon called TopRam and 3C Pro. Anyone have experience with these?
I am familiar with the usual suspects (i.e. Sandisk, Kingston, Patriot, A-Data, etc). but was wondering if there have been any positive reviews with the ones above since then do tend to run substantially cheaper.
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I tried my luck with a TopRam 16 GB class 4, and I have transferred a little over 8 gb of files onto it and use it daily with no complaints.
I purchased mine on Buy.com because it was a little cheaper there a few months ago when I ordered it.

Reliable 16 SD card?

Since the 8 gb card that came with my DHD is a little too small I'm looking for a 16 gb sd card.
I browsed through amazon's selection and found many bad reviews regarding data loss on several products. What brands are generally known for reliable SD cards? Sandisk seems to make good cards?
And another thing, I read that often SD cards are faster than their class. There were people that got transfer rates of up to 15 mb/s with a class 2 card. Apparently a class 2 card is basically the same as a class 6 card, just that in the latter case the manufacturer guarantees the higher speed while in the former it might be slower. Is that true?
As for brands, I recommend SanDisk and Lexar. I've used cards from both manufacturors in all my cameras and phones for years, and I've never had a card fail me.
I got 2 Lexar in camera + phone : no problems so far
+1 for SanDisk
The Speed Class Rating is the official unit of speed measurement for SD Cards, defined by the SD Association. The Class number represents a multiple of 8 Mb/s (1 MB/s), and meets the least sustained write speeds for a card in a fragmented state.
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Wikipedia quote
If I understand it write, the class rating is a sustained speed, so you may get faster speeds, but usually not.
Also from that same site, manufactures quote speeds, and not an independent testing company, so they may not always be honest XD
Secondly, Sandisk for 16 gig never gave me a problem. However, at 8 and 4 gig pny hasn't given me any issues either.
i wanted a bigger card a month ago and looked at both lexar and sandisk 16gb, i went for the lexar as it was apparently faster in the reviews and was only a tiny bit more expensive than the sandisk. and it has been perfectly reliable.
Ok, thanks.
joememe, which reviews did you read? I found one lexar vs sandisk at nokiaguide.com and just want to make sure we don't both base on the same review.
Because if lexar really is better I'll spend the few extra €.
If I understand it write, the class rating is a sustained speed, so you may get faster speeds, but usually not.
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That's interesting and a good thing because standards like S-ATA 1/2/3, USB 1/2/3 and many others define the max possible transfer which isn't very userfriendly.
So I suspect that all cards of a manufacturer are essentially the same and get a class 4/6/10 rating after production according to their QA results. Like with a CPU you might get lucky and the card just barely didn't make it to 10 and thus get a very good performance class 6 card.
I ordered a 16gb class10 Transcend card from Newegg and LOVE it. Lifetime warranty ftw!! I've tried returning Sandisk cards for warranty and haven't received a response in months...so not +1 for Sandisk if there are warranty problems.
I just picked up a Transcend 4gb class 6 micro sd from Newegg and it died within a day. Luckily Newegg is shipping out a replacement asap and I don't have to return the defective card.
+1 for lexar 16gb class 6
Here's a link to the one I use. I own 8 or so of these and use them in cell phones, camera's, and even in a cam corder. I have yet to see one of them fail or have any sort of performance issues.
SanDisk 16 GB Class 2 microSDHC Flash Memory Card
Note that even though it's a class 2, in my testing with each of the cards I own, I have consistently gotten class 4 performance from all of them.
If you want something even bigger, the 32 GB cards have really come down in price. Here's a SanDisk for $71.
SanDisk 32GB MicroSDHC Card (SDSDQ-032G-A11M, US Retail Package)
Isn't the price a bit too low? The one on Amazon has a bad review saying it didn't come in the retail package.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R4BG1JM1R3OKM/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R4BG1JM1R3OKM
andisk maybe the best choice
sanseven said:
andisk maybe the best choice
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IMO, Sandisk is definitely the best choice for a quality microSD. They always perform much better than their class rating. And the also are most consistent in getting good randon read, write and access speeds, which is much more important that the class rating when using the card in cell phones or for any task other than just large data transfer and digital cameras. Higher class cards only give higher sequential write speed, but usually are worse at random read/write speeds and access time than a class 2 or 4.

what micro sdhc card (brand and class) i should buy for the samsung galaxy s II ?

what micro sdhc card (brand and class) i should buy for the samsung galaxy s II ?
i ask
because i hear a lot of brands and classes do some troubles with android OS , or damaged after couple of weeks of use
please advise me what i should buy....(from your experience with the samsung galaxy s II)
btw... i want 16gb card , but don't sure what brand and class to buy
thanks
Sandisk 32gb class 4
That's that!
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OccasionalDroid said:
Sandisk 32gb class 4
That's that!
Sent from my Synchronous Dual Core Galactic Korean Beastly Device
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Yeah this one, or a lexar class 10 if you want high transfer speeds with your pc.
Or a sandisk class 2 if you dont care about recording movies to your micro sd card.
the sandisk 32gb class 4 will work good with 1080p recording ?
and where i can buy it ?
because on amazon.com i can't find the class....
thanks
When I bought the Samsung WB2000 / TL350 compact camera which recorded 1080p @30fps it required a "Sandisk Extreme"... It apparently has a 20MB/s write speed. No class written on the card though...I think it's class 6 as class 10 is 30MB/s.
I would have thought you'd need a higher class to write HD video...
Note: "Sandisk Extreme" is a SD card not a Micro-sd
chipko3k said:
When I bought the Samsung WB2000 / TL350 compact camera which recorded 1080p @30fps it required a "Sandisk Extreme"... It apparently has a 20MB/s write speed. No class written on the card though...I think it's class 6 as class 10 is 30MB/s.
I would have thought you'd need a higher class to write HD video...
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There is no class certified for 20MBps or 30MBps.
Class 10 = 10 MBps, thats why is 10.
So class 6 = 6MBps, class 4 = 4MBps, class 2 = 2MBps.
Class is equal to the minimum write speed in random spaces.
nybreath said:
There is no class certified for 20MBps or 30MBps.
Class 10 = 10 MBps, thats why is 10.
So class 6 = 6MBps, class 4 = 4MBps, class 2 = 2MBps.
Class is equal to the minimum write speed in random spaces.
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No, Class is the minimum write/read speed in sequential. The Lexar Class 10 32GB only does 0.018 MB/s in random write!
any more answer that might help me choose a good card ?
thanks
You need to figure out what you need in terms of speed and size, then how much money you want to spend. A 32GB class 10 card is extremely expensive, where a 16GB class 6 is around a third of that. I plan on using my Galaxy S II for holding all my music and some movies so I ordered this yesterday: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208573. Not too expensive and fast enough for most things.
Silent8Strike said:
You need to figure out what you need in terms of speed and size, then how much money you want to spend. A 32GB class 10 card is extremely expensive, where a 16GB class 6 is around a third of that. I plan on using my Galaxy S II for holding all my music and some movies so I ordered this yesterday: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208573. Not too expensive and fast enough for most things.
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as i said
i want 16gb but don't know which class and brand to take...
my main concern is recording video in 1080p
I have a class 10 Lexar 32GB Card.
You should buy a brand name card (Sandisk, Lexar, Kingston). I say that because there are IN GENERAL more reliable. There will be cards that are made by lesser known brands like Patriot and A-Ram but that does not mean they are any less reliable but more faults are reported for them than with Sandisk, Kingston or Lexar.
Having said that, my previous card was a 16GB Class 6 Patriot card. Worked awesome for a whole year and is still working in my friend's Desire (gave it to him and got the Lexar card for more space). In conclusion, don't buy eBay cards is what I'm trying to say.
Class? That's been debated A LOT. I got a class 10 and I can clearly see the benefit. Media Scanning is less than 10 seconds (mind you, I've got close to 38gb full in both internal and external cards), file copying is very quick and gallery files show up quicker, when I seek in a video file, it moves instantly (even with a 1080p movie).
It just depends on what you require. If you're slightly more patient, you can save 30-40 bucks by getting a 32gb class 2 card instead of a 32gb class 10 card.
Hope that helps. I recommend both Lexar and Patriot. Go for class 6 at least if price is not an issue.
ragflan said:
I have a class 10 Lexar 32GB Card.
You should buy a brand name card (Sandisk, Lexar, Kingston). I say that because there are IN GENERAL more reliable. There will be cards that are made by lesser known brands like Patriot and A-Ram but that does not mean they are any less reliable but more faults are reported for them than with Sandisk, Kingston or Lexar.
Having said that, my previous card was a 16GB Class 6 Patriot card. Worked awesome for a whole year and is still working in my friend's Desire (gave it to him and got the Lexar card for more space). In conclusion, don't buy eBay cards is what I'm trying to say.
Class? That's been debated A LOT. I got a class 10 and I can clearly see the benefit. Media Scanning is less than 10 seconds (mind you, I've got close to 38gb full in both internal and external cards), file copying is very quick and gallery files show up quicker, when I seek in a video file, it moves instantly (even with a 1080p movie).
It just depends on what you require. If you're slightly more patient, you can save 30-40 bucks by getting a 32gb class 2 card instead of a 32gb class 10 card.
Hope that helps. I recommend both Lexar and Patriot. Go for class 6 at least if price is not an issue.
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i checked the reviews on the lexar 16gb class 6 and kingston 16gb class 10 and it wasn't so good...
and kingston 16gb class 6 i didn't found
tiesto4 said:
i checked the reviews on the lexar 16gb class 6 and kingston 16gb class 10 and it wasn't so good...
and kingston 16gb class 6 i didn't found
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I have ordered Kingston 32GB class 10 for my Galaxy S II.
Contact Lexar but they don't do SD card business in INDIA.
chattymango said:
I have ordered Kingston 32GB class 10 for my Galaxy S II.
Contact Lexar but they don't do SD card business in INDIA.
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the 32gb cost to much for me ... and the 16gb class 10 still cost 60$ i'ts still very high
and the lexar 16gb class 6 the reviews are bad , they say that after couple of weeks the card stop woriking
tiesto4 said:
as i said
i want 16gb but don't know which class and brand to take...
my main concern is recording video in 1080p
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sandisk class 4 I have does this just fine. Paid 45 euro for a 32gb card. Higher speeds are only needed for hight transfer speeds.
Stitch! said:
sandisk class 4 I have does this just fine. Paid 45 euro for a 32gb card. Higher speeds are only needed for hight transfer speeds.
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from what i know higher class needed for recording full hd videos
because of the transfer speed
and again 32 is too expensive for me 16 will be good
but if 4 class of sandisk will do the job ? or i need to search class 6 on another brand ?
using kingston class 4 16gb...normally take short 1080p clips for my kids...no issue whatsoever....records and plays fine...
gchildz said:
using kingston class 4 16gb...normally take short 1080p clips for my kids...no issue whatsoever....records and plays fine...
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me too though i am using sandisk brand. its good.
Patriot Class 10 cards gave me problems on my Nexus One, and reportedly had a spectacular fail rate on Android and WP7 phones.. does that still apply?

Anyone try the new Adata UHS (Ultra High Speed) Mirco Sd?

I was looking at Newegg and came across an Adata UHS 32gb Micro Sd card. It is currently $59.99 and the Adata 32gb Class 10 Micro Sd was $49.99 (yesterday 12/12). I see that the Class 10 is now $61.99. Anyone try these new UHS cards out? Any speed tests? It is advertised as 30% faster than Class 6, but does not list any Class.
Adata 32gb UHS Micro Sd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211585
Adata 32gb Class 10 Micro Sd.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211558
got a 32gb from Amazon and it works great. Haven't had any problems with it so far. Used it on 3 phones already.
grenademasta said:
Adata 32gb Class 10 Micro Sd.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211558
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i have this one, works great
but not the Adata 32gb UHS Micro Sd, no clue how it performs
speed results are in the sticky SD card speed test
i doubt its a class 10
G1_enthusiast said:
i doubt its a class 10
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damn right it's not class 10
because it's actually a class 13 check results http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1338868
i just buy bad perform on lt15
w 4mb r 23 mb. seeking for perform solution.
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SanDisk Mobile Ultra MicroSDHC

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/SanDisk...57270079&skuId=4120107&st=microsdhc&cp=4&lp=5
It's a 16GB Class 6. However, how does it get 30mb read/write?
nitrogen618 said:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/SanDisk...57270079&skuId=4120107&st=microsdhc&cp=4&lp=5
It's a 16GB Class 6. However, how does it get 30mb read/write?
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Sandisk website says 30mb/sec is only for read
Write is slower
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how speed on write ?
Has anyone seen any speed tests on the Sandisk Ultra (Class 6). I'd be interested to see how it compares to their ordinary Class 4 card, and if the extra cost is justified.
philc27 said:
Has anyone seen any speed tests on the Sandisk Ultra (Class 6). I'd be interested to see how it compares to their ordinary Class 4 card, and if the extra cost is justified.
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How then? Is it worth buying?
If you do a search, the stated 30mb/s, is only obtained if you use a compatible sd reader, so far there is only about 10-15 readers on the market that will full ultilize the UHS 1 specifications, and the fastest one being from kingston and sandisk themselves.
Some cameras also supports UHS 1 to take advantage of the speed.
the figures are off my head, it was done a few months ago, and I have tested over 15-20 different sd cards, i will correct them later on if they are different.
using the kingston reader.
Sandisk
UHS 1
read 38mb/s
write 7mb/s
non UHS 1
read 18mb/s
write 7mb/s
other UHS 1 microsdhc available:
toshiba
UHS 1
read 41mb/s
write 20mb/s
non UHS 1
read 21mb/s
write 15.2mb/s
kingsmax
dont have ATM
adata (rebadged of the sandisk)
dont have ATM
I am using SanDisk Mobile Ultra 16GB, beforeit I used TDK class10 16GB
The write speed in Windows I feel that it's lower than TDK 16GB
but the quality of card I think that is better than TDK absolutely!
sandisk cards are much more stable, and the speed is stable too, while other brands the speed flutuates alot.
The Samsung micro SDHC cheaper then Sandisk and very good.
i hv sandisk class6 32g+ class4 32g
i up grade from class4-6 i thouhgt its not much different
but the price is a lot different anyway i bought it already
so its must be better
neokv said:
i hv sandisk class6 32g+ class4 32g
i up grade from class4-6 i thouhgt its not much different
but the price is a lot different anyway i bought it already
so its must be better
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read my post further up the page.

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