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Bluetooth headsets range with universal

I notice there is alot of disussion over BT headsets, and several threads adressing range/crackling/'static' noise .
However, none of them clearly identifies several BT headsets which won't have problems with using range with Universal - as our pet gadget definetly have it's own issues performing considerably worster then other BT phones / PDA-s with headsets.
So I would kindly ask you all to identify me few models of BT headsets you are using and which can normally communicate with universal in most common situations without crackling/static/disconnections.
I have used old Nokia HDW-3 - and it performed excellent, I could walk all arround the room, turn my head in any direction, stand in between phone and headset (even with universal) and it would sound flawlesly. However, I got the new headset X-sport - very tiny (less then 8g) and fitting me comfortably, but alas, when I charged it and tried to use it - it crackles even if my Uni is on the desk infront of me and I turn my head away.
Please advice on models I could mail order without fear of showing this flaw.

Dalm said:
I notice there is alot of disussion over BT headsets, and several threads adressing range/crackling/'static' noise .
However, none of them clearly identifies several BT headsets which won't have problems with using range with Universal - as our pet gadget definetly have it's own issues performing considerably worster then other BT phones / PDA-s with headsets.
So I would kindly ask you all to identify me few models of BT headsets you are using and which can normally communicate with universal in most common situations without crackling/static/disconnections.
I have used old Nokia HDW-3 - and it performed excellent, I could walk all arround the room, turn my head in any direction, stand in between phone and headset (even with universal) and it would sound flawlesly. However, I got the new headset X-sport - very tiny (less then 8g) and fitting me comfortably, but alas, when I charged it and tried to use it - it crackles even if my Uni is on the desk infront of me and I turn my head away.
Please advice on models I could mail order without fear of showing this flaw.
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I am using Sony ericsson Stereo Bluetooth Headset HBH-DS970. The coverage and sound quality are excellent. It offers full A2DP funtionality with Windows media Player as well as pocketmusic. The hardware controls on this headset include Forward and previous track button (which really work with my universal with Darkforce Rom), volume control and an OLED display which displays the caller ID (number only). Voice dialing works perfectly. The earpiece looke like normal earphone (no buldging contraption on the ear like most bluetooth headsets.

Bottom Line:
Any radio freq. is line of sight. So if you turn your head and the two radios (Receiving & Transmitting) are not in LOS, it means that the signal needs to bounce off something else, or go through something, (in this case probably your Head ) which causes the signal to fade, hence the interference.

Laubscherc said:
Bottom Line:
Any radio freq. is line of sight. So if you turn your head and the two radios (Receiving & Transmitting) are not in LOS, it means that the signal needs to bounce off something else, or go through something, (in this case probably your Head ) which causes the signal to fade, hence the interference.
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bluetooth range is also sometimes ROM specific

I'm quite aware that line of sight provides optimal radio connectivity. But in theory as well as in my experience, good bluetooth connection should be able to cope with such an obstacle as my head providing that distance is about 50 - 70 cm.
However, I guess that most of Universal users are well aware that our devices have inferior performance to most 'regular' mobiles on the market. Is it location of the BT module or ROM - I don't know - it would be great if it's ROM as it would make it relatively fixable. I'm using QTEK latest shipped ROM 1.30.77 WWE together with R.13.00 radio ROM - but willing to change if it helps.
However, by what I red in other threads on this forum, inferior performance is more likely caused by location of BT module in the device.
Thus some headsets which have better BT transmission and reception (more radiated power and better reception) due to their construction should provide us with better BT performance). Thus the 'field test' is only good pointer which headset to buy or not to buy. For me, BT headset which can't communicate from my belt to my ear when I break line of sight by my hand swinging while I walk - is unusable - I'll much rather wear a wire
I tried my old Nokia HDW-3 and it performed great. On the other hand I tried that X-sport tiny one - it was disaster. Now I'm waiting new examplar of good old Nokia as well as Jabra BT800 - I'll report about the field tests

I've tried two options with my QTEC 9000 and using Windows Media. I bought Motoroka S9: really nice concept with the BT unit embedded in the back of the headband, and the sound quality is excellent, and switched between music and calls easily, the track forward (but not backward) control worked, buttons easy to manipulate. Several drawbacks however: it becomes uncomfortable on your ears after an hour or so due to the the design and the hard plastic used (may depend on the shape of your head) and the phone mic only works through one earpiece not in stereo (this is stated in the documentation, it was not a problem with my setup). The fatal flaw however was the BT range. It worked fine when I hold the phone behind my head, inches away from the headset BT unit, but this was impractical for extended periods of time When I put the phone in my jacket pocket or shoulder bag, the continual breakup of the signal made it unuseable. The phone signal performed better but for music this has very limited success and certainly doesn't work as a mobile device, which is sort of the point.
I then bought a Sony Ericsson HBH DS200. The range problem is resolved, music streams fine with my device in my pocket, shoulder bag or briefcase. I can walk around a room and listen to music and make calls no problem, although the music signal drops out when blocked by my body and the distance is about 2m or more. The swithching back to music after taking or making a call is a bit flaky, sometimes i need to reset the devise again to reestablish the connection, but sometimes it works OK. No caller ID on the headset, no volume control, no track back/forward, so it's a bit basic, but after the previous experience, I'm just happy it works. The supplied earbuds are good, and you can unplug them and use anything else you want with a 3.5 jack.
Hope this helps.

Jabra BT800 Jabra BT250V Plantronics A510
The Jabra BT800 (or 810, whatever it was with the LCD) would not get very loud with my Universal. It also wasn't very secure. The LCD would have been cool though...
The Jabra BT250v was very secure, could get plenty loud (most times), but had crappy reception, and worse reception when/if an SD card was inserted. When I say crappy reception, i mean bad. At arms length the headset started having static. As far as I could tell it was only I who heard it, but when I started hearing static, the person on the other side couldn't really hear me.
Plantronics A510 is the bomb!! (in a good way). I have only had it for a few days, but it is super lightweight, gets plaenty loud enough, and I can walk almost 30 feet form the Universal and keep a connection. AND thats while I have an SD card in! It's less than $50 on amazon and is their #1 selling product! It has 1700+ reviews on the site, which I found impressive.

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The Jabra BT800 (or 810, whatever it was with the LCD) would not get very loud with my Universal. It also wasn't very secure. The LCD would have been cool though...
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I can confirm the issues with the volume for noisy conditions. In that case I have to manually raise the volume on the headset.
In my silent office the volume's just fine, but yes, it could be higher by default.
I never experienced problems with the range or any disturbances.
With the Universal on my desk I can even wander around on my balcony, which means being about 4 meters away and having no direct line of sight.
With a direct line of sight static gets noticable at about 8 meters, which is living room couch to kitchen sink
I got the BT800 from a good friend who felt uncomfortable wearing it and he told me, that he experienced range problems if the phone was in his left pocket and HS on his right ear. He was using a, mmh, i believe a wizard at that time and the behaviour didn't change after switching to a btv 500 or 250.
This brought me to the theory that range problems in case of small distances are closely related to the belly size of the user.

EvilJogga said:
This brought me to the theory that range problems in case of small distances are closely related to the belly size of the user.
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PRICELESS!!!!

Is there any way to boost the speaker volume for video playback?

Having fun watching the flash video clips on the BBC news site today using Skyfire - not exactly smooth, but you can see what's going on. The problem is, though, that the sound coming out of the speakers is simply too quiet. It's partly that they face backwards, I guess - if turn the phone round they get louder, but then, of course, one can't see the screen!
Is there any sneaky hack which lets one turn up the speaker volume above the normal limit? (I could use headphones, of course, but the bundled ones don't fit my ears very well).
I should probably point out that I am partially deaf - so I dare say the volume is okay for someone with normal hearing.

There you go.

I apologize in advance if this is a nub question, but can i use the supplied audiopara3 cab on a Sprint phone? Don't know if it's carrier specific since I saw another post specifying T-Mo parameters.
Thanks!

iI contacted HTC regarding htc desire volume

I am not happy at all abuot the sound quality its too low, so I contacted them and ther reply is:
Thank you for contacting our Customer Support Center. With regards to your inquiry, Please note that we didn’t receive any problems with HTC desire volume ,however you can search over android market for a 3rd party application to raise the device’s volume Thank you once again for your continued patronage. Best regards
anyone know any apps k and r u happy with the volume , please contact theme if your not let theme know about this issu
Thanks

You aren't very clear. Is your problem the quality or the volume? And is your phone branded or not? Branded phones are sometimes limited in volume.

i am not happy about the low handsfree rear speaker volume either. the phone ear piece speaker is ok volume wise. but the handsfree speaker is pretty crap and might probably take the crown for the worst handsfree speaker on the market. i have two desire phones and both are the same. loads of similar complaints on many forums (moneysavingexpert, avforums, three blog and others). htc must be having the heads in the sand if they havent heard about it. i think it is a deliberate denial of an obvious poor handsfree speaker, htc had some chap called dave who said he was following the posts on three blog and replied about poor stocks etc so HTC is aware about this issue, they are just dishing out denials or htc tech guys need to have their ears checked ASAP.
just put anyother phone or media player next to the htc desire and play the same sound / music via all the devices and htc desire will most probably take the crown for having the poorest rear speaker. at high volumes (which one needs anyway if one wants to hear in anywhere where the background noise is present) there is a lot of treble noise. on my archos 605 if i keep half the volume, for the same clip i wont get as good a volume on my desire at full volume. it is pretty easy to miss the notifications when out and about because one didnt hear the notifications.
the poor volume is obvious while using google navigation. while tomtom 760T has a great volume, but when i use the desires speakers for navigation voice, i have to keep the music off and can get tricky in busy traffic as sometimes the volume isnt enough or is barely enough. this might not be a problem when using car stereo with bluetooth but my car stereo does not have bluetooth or an input socket in the front as it is a few years old car.
the notifications volume must be with some internal settings i canty access as i have tried adjusting everything but it does not make a difference, or much of it. but the new yahoomail app i got from the market has a much much better volume that is easily audible. for the other notifications i downloaded the 'car mode' app that makes the notifications louder by using the rear speaker, i guess otherwise it uses the earpiece speaker by default, hence the low volume for the notifications. the volume is ok when inside and when it is quiet but just not enough when out and about. i didnt have a problem with speaker volumes with any of my handsets in the last decade, i am just adding that my ears are fine as they get checked by occupational health at work!

bubblesmoney said:
i am not happy about the low handsfree rear speaker volume either. the phone ear piece speaker is ok volume wise. but the handsfree speaker is pretty crap and might probably take the crown for the worst handsfree speaker on the market. i have two desire phones and both are the same. loads of similar complaints on many forums (moneysavingexpert, avforums, three blog and others). htc must be having the heads in the sand if they havent heard about it. i think it is a deliberate denial of an obvious poor handsfree speaker, htc had some chap called dave who said he was following the posts on three blog and replied about poor stocks etc so HTC is aware about this issue, they are just dishing out denials or htc tech guys need to have their ears checked ASAP.
just put anyother phone or media player next to the htc desire and play the same sound / music via all the devices and htc desire will most probably take the crown for having the poorest rear speaker. at high volumes (which one needs anyway if one wants to hear in anywhere where the background noise is present) there is a lot of treble noise. on my archos 605 if i keep half the volume, for the same clip i wont get as good a volume on my desire at full volume. it is pretty easy to miss the notifications when out and about because one didnt hear the notifications.
the poor volume is obvious while using google navigation. while tomtom 760T has a great volume, but when i use the desires speakers for navigation voice, i have to keep the music off and can get tricky in busy traffic as sometimes the volume isnt enough or is barely enough. this might not be a problem when using car stereo with bluetooth but my car stereo does not have bluetooth or an input socket in the front as it is a few years old car.
the notifications volume must be with some internal settings i canty access as i have tried adjusting everything but it does not make a difference, or much of it. but the new yahoomail app i got from the market has a much much better volume that is easily audible. for the other notifications i downloaded the 'car mode' app that makes the notifications louder by using the rear speaker, i guess otherwise it uses the earpiece speaker by default, hence the low volume for the notifications. the volume is ok when inside and when it is quiet but just not enough when out and about. i didnt have a problem with speaker volumes with any of my handsets in the last decade, i am just adding that my ears are fine as they get checked by occupational health at work!
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Thanks 4 your reply
I decided to sell My phone,Its useless as a media player
No support no update Thank You HTC

I bought 2 HTC Desire phones for me & my wife. Both of them have the most lowest & weakest speakerphones I have witnessed in any phone over the last 10 years. Even the regular flip phones which are not smartphones had the good quality speakerphones for conference. It's a shame having such a Flagship phone with pathetic speakerphone.
I called HTC customer service and though I already new their scripted answer I still asked 'Is it a known issue?'. There reply was what I expected. Complete Denial. 'No, this is the first time we are hearing it.' What a joke. I told him to do some google and check the forums. I also complimented him for lying so well.
He asked me to do soft reset, hard reset and do factory reset which would wipe out all data. Simply put they were giving me a run around & wasting my time so I stopped him right there that son I have already done that.
He transferred me to their Repair department, who turned out to be Telus customer service and they said since it's a new phone you have a 1 year warranty, take your phone to the store you bought it from with the receipt and they'll replace it. I asked what if the replaced phone also have the same problem then what are my options. She said you need to discuss it with the store from where you bought it from, they can let you have another phone but you can't break the 3 year contract.
Dealing with the phones issue is frustrating enough and on top of that frustration caused by the absolute denial by HTC's customer service & not providing a solution is totally unacceptable. I'm selling my HTC Desire on ebay and probably buy the Nokia N8.
Sometimes all what a customer needs is an apology and admission that yes we are not crazy, there is a known issuee with the phone and they'll fix it. But they are following on the footsteps of Apple who literally made their customers feel like they are crazy when they reported about iphone 4 antenna issues. Shame on Apple for telling them that they are not holding the phone properly as if dealing with ignorant kids. Such behavior isn't expected from such large and reputable corporations. Nokia on the other hand makes the best phones and admit their problems and fix them.

What do expect from a tiny rear speaker?? If you want decent sound then plug in some speakers!!
Or are you the annoying twats who play music when in public?

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What do expect from a tiny rear speaker?? If you want decent sound then plug in some speakers!!
Or are you the annoying twats who play music when in public?
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To be fair, I also have a T-Mobile Pulse Mini as a backup phone, and the internal speaker is way, way, better than the one on the Desire.
IMHO, the Desire's speak is "ok", if you want to take/make a handsfree call whilst sitting at your desk, but is worse than useless if you are in a car - for both taking calls and satellite navigation. I do have bluetooth handsfree, so it is less of an issue for me personally, but given the price of the phone I think they could've made the internal speaker a little higher quality.
Regards,
Dave

But the phone isn't a media player in the traditional sense, you wouldn't watch a film on it without headphones...given, it could be a bit louder for the navigation side of things but I've got Sat Nav for that...

EddyOS said:
But the phone isn't a media player in the traditional sense, you wouldn't watch a film on it without headphones.
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I wouldn't only because it would sound terrible from the external speaker. If it sounded better, it is something that I might well do.
Regards,
Dave

EddyOS said:
What do expect from a tiny rear speaker?? If you want decent sound then plug in some speakers!!
Or are you the annoying twats who play music when in public?
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Desires loudspeaker is a disgrace even a £5 mobile phone loudspeaker is better.
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The headphone volume is really low on my desire (stock t-mobile rom) even with hi end noise cancelling headphones and volume at max (am told this is a problem with the t-mobile rom), now I use mixzing which has a gain and graphic for music. It is almost imposible to watch a film while on the underground tho, which is really annoying me, am waiting to see if the froyo update fixes this, if not I will root and change to unbranded rom.

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The headphone volume is really low on my desire (stock t-mobile rom) even with hi end noise cancelling headphones and volume at max (am told this is a problem with the t-mobile rom), now I use mixzing which has a gain and graphic for music. It is almost imposible to watch a film while on the underground tho, which is really annoying me, am waiting to see if the froyo update fixes this, if not I will root and change to unbranded rom.
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you don't need to root to DE-BRAND your device really

Personally, I've never had a problem with the speaker volume on my Desire, its a lot louder than my my old iPhone, if a bit tinny.

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you don't need to root to DE-BRAND your device really
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I meant a stock htc rom without the volume issue.

how to replace microphone in HTC s620?

I would need help with my HTC s620. Sometimes the mic works perfectly, sometimes it does not, so people on the other end of the line can not hear me at all or just very-very low. I already tried changing regedit and also used the audio gain and microphone fix .cab files, but the basic problem remained: sometimes the mic works, sometimes not. I made soft reset / hard reset several times, still the problem remains. With my bluetooth headset I always have good voice quality even if the mic on the phone is not working. Altogether this drove me to the conclusion that I need to replace the microphone in my HTC s620.
On Ebay I can buy a new replacement microphone for a few $ but I don't know whether I would be able to replace it on my own. Anyone has any experience? Do I need any special tools for replacing the mic in my HTC s620? Can anyone provide me with a guide how to proceed? Any help is much appreciated.

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I would need help with my HTC s620. Sometimes the mic works perfectly, sometimes it does not, so people on the other end of the line can not hear me at all or just very-very low. I already tried changing regedit and also used the audio gain and microphone fix .cab files, but the basic problem remained: sometimes the mic works, sometimes not. I made soft reset / hard reset several times, still the problem remains. With my bluetooth headset I always have good voice quality even if the mic on the phone is not working. Altogether this drove me to the conclusion that I need to replace the microphone in my HTC s620.
On Ebay I can buy a new replacement microphone for a few $ but I don't know whether I would be able to replace it on my own. Anyone has any experience? Do I need any special tools for replacing the mic in my HTC s620? Can anyone provide me with a guide how to proceed? Any help is much appreciated.
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There's a guide for taking apart your excalibur in the sticky, but honestly it doesn't specify how to change your mic but it will give a pretty good idea of what tools to use to open and re-assemble your dash.

Thanks for the response Mr. Clown. Indeed I would need a bit more specific info on how the MIC is attached to the phone and with what method it can be replaced. I read some forums on other type of phones where only the manufacturer is able to replace either the mic or the full board when it is impossible to replace the mic. As I mentioned earlier on Ebay there are two offers recently on OEM HTC mic for s620, however some forums also mention that even if a separate mic can be purchased, it does not guarantee that it can easily be replaced. Unfortunately I am not a tech expert, so I appreciate any guidance on this issue. Many thanks.

some possible solution
I searched a bit further on more general forums and it seems that I found the answer, so I post it here for others facing a similar problem.
It is not impossible but requires quite an experience and expertise to replace the microphone as it is soldered on the pcb. It needs high temparature heating and then the soldering of the new microphone. You can find new OEM microphones on Ebay (there are recently two offers: 3 - 6 USD price range + shipping), but you have to find someone who will replace the mic for you and who is experienced well and will not destroy your board with this procedure.
Here is a simple description of the process:
1. Set heater of your rework station between 400 to 417 degrees celcius, and air make the pointer of the air knob point aj 9 o'clock.
2. Select nozzle size that is not too big or too small for the mic.
3. Apply ample paste on the mic and direct the heat on it. Remove the mic with metal tweezers gently.
4. Apply paste to the interface of the mic to be soldered and then apply tiny solder on the pads to be soldered.
5. Place the mic correctly on the pcb and apply heat from the opposite side of the pcb, and remove the heat when the solder is melted.
Some have reported that this method really works, however I found no information whether it also works for the Excalibur as the interesting point is the exact place of the mic, so by heating it you will not damage other parts of the board.
I contacted the official HTC service and some other mobile experts, so I am looking for someone that can make the replacement for me... It is recommended that you also proceed similarly.
I hope this info will help.

If the mic sometimes works and other times not, why not trying to re-solder the contacts first? This is much easier than removing/replacing the microphone as you can apply the heat one contact after the other.
Dumb question: You are not covering the hole for the mic. with your fingers from time to time?

Thanks for the reply tobbie. I am surely not covering the mic with my finger or any other body parts ; ) So it must be the mic and not me causing the problem. For the time being I am still chasing someone experienced who could do the soldering for me... In the meanwhile I have flashed my ROM from 3VO.2.80.092509 to 3VO.3.50.033010, just to see whether this might be a software porblem. Flashing went well but problem remained. You are right pointing out that the MIC might be absolutely OK, as it sometimes functions well, and this might indicate that the problem is with the connection of the mic with the board and not the mic itself. However if I take the phone into pieces, then I would like to get it done, so I might still order this tiny mic on the internet. Out of curiosity: does anyone knows whether these mics are compatible with each other or not: I saw many Motorola (e.g.: V3) mics that look exactly as the HTC S620 mic, but I don't know whether they are really the identic.
For the time being I use my BT headset till I (hopefully) manage to solve this issue.

For a start, I would stay with HTC devices. All the older ones I have disassembled (typhoon, hurricane, tornado, excalibur, vox) share the same microphone (at least from the looks). Earpiece looks identical for all except the vox, ring-speaker looks identical for the 3 candy-bars while excalibur and vox seem to have the same as well.
Buying spare parts is usually more expensive than getting a used device with a broken screen or otherwise damaged. I have two definitely ruined boards (Tornado with a dead LCD interface + Hurricane with intermittent shut off) and some Typhoon parts that can not make a complete device.
Never soldered anything on the PBA - it is really delicate and if you spoil anything the board is gone. Possibly try to record something with the PBA accessible and apply some force to the mic while doing so. This should reveal if there is problem with soldering.

Many thanks for the help tobbie.
I will give a try and see how the mic would respond for such a "treatment". In the meanwhile I found a funny forum response from a guy who replaced a PCB soldered SonyEricsson W880 mic without a rework station, by just using a gas butane torch:
"I just managed to replace it. It wasn't so difficult.
First you have to unsolder the mic on the PCB (I used Gas Butane Torch from B&Q as I havn't got a Rework Station)
After that I found some old mic laying in my draw from samsung. I soldered it to the PCB using two thick copper wires
ps. If yo damage a track on the PCB you can solder a positive to the capacitor on the other side of the PCB."
Well it sounds a bit weird, anyway I would still go for an experienced expert with a rework station and proper equipment for replacement.
Danke und tschuss

Last night I dissambled my HTC s620 (it was a bit harder then I thought) and got to the mic, which is under a small rubber case, I cleaned a bit the surroundings, checked the contacts, but from the first sight everything seemed to be tight and fixed, still I pressed the mic a bit but no better mic functionality, actually now I can only here everything said in the mic very-very low and from last night there was no occasion when I could record with normal sound level. This might still indicate bad contact. Anyway, I will get now a replacmenet mic on Ebay and try to replace it. Will report whether it has really solved my problem.
The mic has the following numbers on it: S777 261, I don't know whether these types of mics are really compatible (I assume that they are - not only within the HTC brand but also with similar Motorola mics), anyway I will not go for a cheaper V3 mic but buy one which is advertised as an HTC S620 mic.

Same problem.
I've been using my excalibur for 2 weeks and, last night, in the middle of a call, my microphone stopped working. completely. does anybody have any idea of what i can do to solve this problem?!
please, i'm desperate.

amiloicram said:
I've been using my excalibur for 2 weeks and, last night, in the middle of a call, my microphone stopped working. completely. does anybody have any idea of what i can do to solve this problem?!
please, i'm desperate.
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You try to check the headset jack may be the cause of it

Sound quality on the 10

Well I'm going to be talking about my speaker performance on the 10 compared to my previous phone the HTC One M8.
I don't know how HTC thought the 10's sound quality via the speaker was acceptable. I mean don't get me wrong the clarity of the sound from the speakers blows the m8 away for miles. It's hard to listen to the M8 without thinking how bad the clarity is imo. BUT the 10 is not as loud. The 10's tweeter on the front sometimes over powers the sub on the bottom and makes the song sound thin and tinny. I even tried flac files and still same thing. Not every song does this but a lot do. It doesn't have the force or drive like the M8 does. It seems like left (tweeter) and right (sub woofer) channels of song. You put the left and right together to get the full sound of the song. The M8 I believe has the left and right channels of the song on both speakers. That makes it more fuller an louder.
The M8 is pretty mushed at high volume meaning, it feels like all the instruments in the song are mashed together and thrown at you imo which is why I think the M8 doesn't have great clarity at all.
I'd like to say having clarity over mushed but louder and fuller sound is better but honestly I don't know anymore BUT hey the 10 has great headphone audio and other great features that make it worth having over the M8.
Let me know what you think and hopefully you guys have a better experience with sound meaning, there is a possibility that my device's speaker are defective lol.

Coming from an M8, I would say the HTC 10 definitely clearer but not as loud as the M8. However, it feels HTC worked on sound quality versus just making it loud.
It's a worthy trade-off. Using two different speakers for highs and lows is a brilliant idea and it really shows. I prefer listening to music at a mild volume for clarity versus loud somewhat distorted.
There were phones that were louder than the M8 but not as clear which is what BoomSounds trademark is.
On the 10, I can hear leaves rustling, fire popping, and other ambient noise that has never sounded so crisp, distinct, and natural. I feel like its the ATH-M50 of mobile sound with his balance.
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try music mode its almost stereo

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that felt the speakers sounded a bit tinny, especially at max volumes. It seemed a bit underwelming compared to my Nexus 6p. At moderate volumes however, it sounds decent. Lots of clarity.

Has anyone installed V4A and tried volume boost or increasing gain?

and i hate that boom sound doesn't work when using soundcloud google play yes and apple music no soundcloud wtf

Heisenberg420 said:
Has anyone installed V4A and tried volume boost or increasing gain?
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No since vzw got no root yet BUT poweramp has a volume booster and it is doing wonders.

How's sound quality through headphone... Is it upto the hype
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How's sound quality through headphone... Is it upto the hype
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The headphone jack is awesome and the audio profiles are badass. Creating profiles is done using two options: "Answer questions" which asks your age, styles of music you generally listen to, etc., and "Listen to frequencies" which generates a much more detailed 5-band EQ. The latter is much better because you can tune it based on what you can actually hear in either ear - it plays a frequency tone in the left headphone, you adjust the volume until you can barely hear it, then it plays a higher tone, you adjust volume, etc., and then it repeats the process for the right ear.
This is beneficial since boosting certain frequencies is often more useful (and less harmful to your hearing) than just cranking up the overall volume. No one has "perfect" hearing and hearing loss is often not uniform across the normal range of audible frequencies, nor is it necessarily uniform from left ear to right ear. In my case, my left ear required a little extra bass and highs while my right ear needed extra mid-range.
You can also use this to adjust the headphone output to specific listening environments you encounter. For example, creating an audio profile while on an airplane should be able to compensate for the engine noise. Later this morning I'll be setting up a profile with my lawnmower running outside, so I'm looking forward to hearing the results.
My only complaints are UI related:
1. The audio profiles are buried about 3 levels deep in Settings. When you plug in headphones, you get the "HTC BoomSound with Dolby Audio" card in the notification shade. Tapping the card takes you to the main Settings app, where you tap "HTC BoomSound with Dolby Audio" again, then "Personal Audio Profile", then choose or create your profile. Would have liked something a little simpler to use, or at least have the notification card go directly to the BoomSound settings instead of requiring an extra tap.
2. There doesn't appear to be a way to edit a profile or view its settings after you create it. You can enable it or you can delete it. -- EDIT: This is incorrect; I am an idiot. You tap in the profile to edit it.
3. The audio profiles are completely hidden when the headphone jack is not in use. You can't even see the profiles you've created. Tapping on "HTC BoomSound with Dolby Audio" in Settings just toggles the speakers between Music Mode and Theater Mode.
tl;dr - lives up to the hype. Maybe even better than hyped.
Source: have mixed audio (both live and recording settings) for >10 years, did my testing with a pair of Audio-Technica studio headphones.

I've got a pretty good system in my car and I just tried it out a few minutes ago. It sounds amazing! I'm coming from an M8 with V4A and it sounds about the same in some respects and better in others. I created a profile with frequencies and the difference after doing so was definitely noticeable. I like that they even have a high quality sample with a toggle so you can compare very easily. I do miss the Clarity setting and the equalizer in V4A, but overall I am extremely pleased!
What I'm running, for reference:
Arc Audio XDI 600 amp
Focal i165 fronts
JBL 3-way 6x9 rears
12" Diamond Audio sub

Regarding the "Personal Audio Profile", I understand you can create multiple profiles yeah? Can you give those profiles custom names?
I for example would probably like to do at least three different "listen to frequencies" profiles: for my Piston 3's, the HTC hi-res buds and for my superlux hd-330's.
Would be nice if you can name them however you want ;D
Also is there an option somewhere within the settings to disable the 16>24 upsampling bs?

Checked out the 10 at Verizon side by side to my M8. Played same YouTube song. 10 is clearer but, very tinny and I can't here it over the surrounding noise, tried both modes. The M8 at least I can hear it and can't believe people say you can't hear the stereo separation, you can if you turn the device side ways. Over all having the choice I would pick the two front facing speakers all day long. I think HTC blew it hear, at least there is a work around with Bluetooth speaker. This is a amazing device except for the speakers and lack of IR blaster. I will still get the 10 mainly for the dev support this will get.
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robbo10 said:
Checked out the 10 at Verizon side by side to my M8. Played same YouTube song. 10 is clearer but, very tinny and I can't here it over the surrounding noise, tried both modes. The M8 at least I can hear it and can't believe people say you can't hear the stereo separation, you can if you turn the device side ways. Over all having the choice I would pick the two front facing speakers all day long. I think HTC blew it hear, at least there is a work around with Bluetooth speaker. This is a amazing device except for the speakers and lack of IR blaster. I will still get the 10 mainly for the dev support this will get.
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If they could, I am sure they would have kept the front facing speakers, but that would have meant bigger bezels, on-screen navigation keys and fingerprint scanner at the back. That would have killed the device from the outset, so the current speaker configuration is the best compromise.

lagittaja said:
Regarding the "Personal Audio Profile", I understand you can create multiple profiles yeah? Can you give those profiles custom names?
I for example would probably like to do at least three different "listen to frequencies" profiles: for my Piston 3's, the HTC hi-res buds and for my superlux hd-330's.
Would be nice if you can name them however you want ;D
Also is there an option somewhere within the settings to disable the 16>24 upsampling bs?
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1) You can create multiple profiles and name it whatever you want.
2) Upscaling bit-depth from 16 to 24 will NOT do any harm in theory (loseless), yet upsampling sample rate to a non-integer multiple of original may trigger a process called SRC, for example 44.1Khz -> 192Khz, which might cause some minor accuracy problem, but it's still transparent to human ears.

giorgoxxi said:
If they could, I am sure they would have kept the front facing speakers, but that would have meant bigger bezels, on-screen navigation keys and fingerprint scanner at the back. That would have killed the device from the outset, so the current speaker configuration is the best compromise.
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Probably true, the fingerprint scanner is to close to the bottom, kinda of a stretch one handed, if it would have been put were the HTC logo is on the M8 would have been more comfortable and possibly squeezed the lower speaker. You can't have everything in life so you make due...lol
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robbo10 said:
Probably true, the fingerprint scanner is to close to the bottom, kinda of a stretch one handed, if it would have been put were the HTC logo is on the M8 would have been more comfortable and possibly squeezed the lower speaker. You can't have everything in life so you make due...lol
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Still because of htc keep the boomsound setup. If you look closely at samsung s7, you will notice samsung hide their display circuit at the top, beneath the logo. But samsung's top speaker is a very very small one, meanwhile htc used 2 large speakers , top and bottom.
So basically htc had to move the fingerprint sensor a bit lower.

TeroZ said:
1) You can create multiple profiles and name it whatever you want.
2) Upscaling bit-depth from 16 to 24 will NOT do any harm in theory (loseless), yet upsampling sample rate to a non-integer multiple of original may trigger a process called SRC, for example 44.1Khz -> 192Khz, which might cause some minor accuracy problem, but it's still transparent to human ears.
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1) Thanks for the confirmation.
2) Excuse me for using the wrong term, but you didn't answer the question. Surely it can't be so hard? Is there an option or is there not?

lagittaja said:
1) Thanks for the confirmation.
2) Excuse me for using the wrong term, but you didn't answer the question. Surely it can't be so hard? Is there an option or is there not?
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Sorry I just forgot to answer that while explaining. No, there's no switch. And I couldn't even confirm the 16->24 conversion exists, official site state that they used a 24-bit capable dac, but didn't mention anything about upscaling/upsampling. If you have the source please don't hesitate to tell me.

HTC Nexus 9 I believe. That device had dual front facing speakers and those were really thin and on the edge of the screen, so I think they could have done something. With the 10, a volume booster makes it sound better but still tinny on the tweeter.
If you really want to hear a good example, play the song "vengeful one" by Disturbed, the intro is the tinniest sound you'll ever hear on the tweeter.

TeroZ said:
Sorry I just forgot to answer that while explaining. No, there's no switch. And I couldn't even confirm the 16->24 conversion exists, official site state that they used a 24-bit capable dac, but didn't mention anything about upscaling/upsampling. If you have the source please don't hesitate to tell me.
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Well, you can switch BoomSound on/off entirely, but who knows if that changes the bit depth.
Your question about the audio profiles was already answered, but here are some screenshots of the profiles I made and what their EQs look like. I used the "listen to frequencies" method for all of them.