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Htc Hero On 3g In The US ?

Hey, Ive had the Htc Hero for a few weeks, and i was wondering if it was possible to make a hack or something so 3g will work on the us 3g bands. Or will we have to wait until they release a gsm unlocked north American Htc hero. Please get back soon.

You'll have to wait because the HTC Hero only has the 900/2100 bands for 3G while the required bands are 850/1900 in the United States. Sorry.

Im thinking this will show up on Roger's in Canada (uses AT&T Compatible 850/1900) before it actually shows up from AT&T.
Ebay.ca would be the way to go.

I believe it might show up on AT&T sooner than we all think
A version with AT&T 3G bands have already passed the FCC (as well as a version with EvDo bands for Sprint) so it looks like 2 North American carriers are poised for some Hero lovin'. Frankly, I'm ready for either an AT&T Hero or a Sprint Hero as I use both carriers.

Freak786 said:
You'll have to wait because the HTC Hero only has the 900/2100 bands for 3G while the required bands are 850/1900 in the United States. Sorry.
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according to the htc site, the hero is quad band. I'm able to get a hero from asia and was wondering the same thing.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
it should work with at&t and should not lock you into an expensive plan like the iphone if you get it unlocked.

agentkalaw said:
according to the htc site, the hero is quad band. I'm able to get a hero from asia and was wondering the same thing.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
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Quad band for GSM, not for HSDPA/WCDMA. Hero will currently work in the US, but Edge is the best you'll get.
Regards,
Dave

My friends there is a US 3G that should hit the streets soon. its called HTC HERO 130(US). the Euro version is Htc Hero 100.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1966&c=htc_hero_us_htc_hero_130
Enjoy !

daraj said:
My friends there is a US 3G that should hit the streets soon. its called HTC HERO 130(US). the Euro version is Htc Hero 100.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1966&c=htc_hero_us_htc_hero_130
Enjoy !
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Is this a fact?

Ironically, yes and no!
It is called Hero, but it isn't the same Hero as we have in Europe.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=220644&p=imageGalleryCategoryDetail&t=MI&MICategoryId=16507&
Spec wise, it is much the same (bands not withstanding), but I far prefer the look of the original Hero.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Ironically, yes and no!
It is called Hero, but it isn't the same Hero as we have in Europe.
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=220644&p=imageGalleryCategoryDetail&t=MI&MICategoryId=16507&
Spec wise, it is much the same (bands not withstanding), but I far prefer the look of the original Hero.
Regards,
Dave
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Thats the Hero 200 not the Hero 130.

Its just a matter of time before we can use it on AT&T Network

Sorry guys, but the HTC Hero is exclusive to Sprint in the United States - http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/htc-hero-heading-to-sprint-october-11-for-179-99-no-chin/
Your best bet for a GSM Hero that works on AT&T's 3g is to wait for Rogers(GSM) in Canada to get it. Rogers has non google branded phones like the Magic(MyTouch 3g) and the Dream(G1). Thats just my thought and I could be wrong. But thats your last sign of hope for now. Plus Bell in Canada is getting the Palm Pre, so Rogers having a Hero is a nice fighting power to go against the Pre.
And lets put an end to this.... No European and Asian GSM HTC Hero will not have 3g in the US, only Edge!!! Theirs no hacks or anything that will work... We dont need more threads asking the same questions over and over.
One more thing came to mind. If AT&T and HTC take the SenseUI and put it onto a new android phone and called it something different.... Then you can have your Hero.. I dont see that happening this year. AT&T still has to release the Fortress(Touch Pro2) and Warhawk(Diamond2) still this year.

michd43 said:
Sorry guys, but the HTC Hero is exclusive to Sprint in the United States - http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/htc-hero-heading-to-sprint-october-11-for-179-99-no-chin/
Your best bet for a GSM Hero that works on AT&T's 3g is to wait for Rogers(GSM) in Canada to get it. Rogers has non google branded phones like the Magic(MyTouch 3g) and the Dream(G1). Thats just my thought and I could be wrong. But thats your last sign of hope for now. Plus Bell in Canada is getting the Palm Pre, so Rogers having a Hero is a nice fighting power to go against the Pre.
And lets put an end to this.... No European and Asian GSM HTC Hero will not have 3g in the US, only Edge!!! Theirs no hacks or anything that will work... We dont need more threads asking the same questions over and over.
One more thing came to mind. If AT&T and HTC take the SenseUI and put it onto a new android phone and called it something different.... Then you can have your Hero.. I dont see that happening this year. AT&T still has to release the Fortress(Touch Pro2) and Warhawk(Diamond2) still this year.
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No one is saying that ATT will get the HERO. We are saying that there will be 850Mhz WDMA version that works on ATT 3G network. It could be very much like you said Rogers Canada. again, there will be HERO 130 that supports ATT 3G network.

does anyone know if the sprint hero will be able to be rooted? i have heard that it will not be possible. please respond thank you.

850 3g ready!
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...

sqc001 said:
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...
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This has been covered in this forum many many times already. You don't have to dig up old threads and then add in some wrong information.
The AT&T 3G capable (850/1900) Hero is carried by Canadian carrier Telus, NOT Rogers. The phone is available from their website directly for CAD$499 + tax, without contract. They don't ship outside Canada, and people have reported that their local Telus stores do not sell them without opening a line. Some said that it could be purchased without contract at BestBuy (in Canada of course).
A friend (who lives in Canada) of mine helped me to get one. It is unbranded, but sim locked to Telus. Unlock code can be purchased on eBay for slightly over 20 bucks. Mine now works with AT&T 3G flawlessly. Note that the difference between this Hero and the European Hero, is in hardware. No ROM flashing will enable 850/1900 for 3G on the European Hero.

sqc001 said:
http://www.importgsm.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=0&page=1
It seems some people are wrong... there is a US 3g version of the Hero, as HTC does have a US 3g version of the magic/ mytouch (sold by Rogers)...
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BTW, the support of the band 850 alone will not enable a phone to use AT&T 3G network. It requires BOTH 850 and 1900 together.

Yup i'm from toronto and under contract with Rogers. I bought a Telus HTC Hero and unlocked it and it works perfect with Rogers. I took a trip down to NYC and it works on AT&T 3G with no problems.

850/1900 VS. 900/2100 for 3G
I belive that hardware wise - they're not really different.
we already saw in the past hacks (for WM phones) to "enable" more bands.
I believe that HTC blocks part of the bands to complete certification faster (FCC, ETSI etc), and it can be tricked... once we'll have "US 3G" radio, we'll be able to play with it, and compare to "Europenian 3G" radio.
Tomer

tomerbn said:
I belive that hardware wise - they're not really different.
we already saw in the past hacks (for WM phones) to "enable" more bands.
I believe that HTC blocks part of the bands to complete certification faster (FCC, ETSI etc), and it can be tricked... once we'll have "US 3G" radio, we'll be able to play with it, and compare to "Europenian 3G" radio.
Tomer
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Sorry but this is not the case. Rogers version of Dream and Magic have been out for long time already. Have you heard of any case where people can get European or T-Mobile versions of these phones to work on AT&T 3G?
1. The European Hero does not share the same hardware part number with the Telus Hero. The former is HERO100 and the latter is HERO130. Note that this part number is independent of the ROM installed. Asian Heros (Hong Kong, Taiwan, China etc), all have different ROMs but they are all HERO100.
2. Your "certification theory" is wrong. This type of certification doesn't work that way. Adding another chip to support 2 more bands won't delay the certification by months. Days, at most, if at all.
3. Continued from 2. The HERO100 was never sent to FCC for certification. I have both phones with me right now, and there is no FCC certification logo on the HERO100 hardware or on the box, while the FCC logo is easily spotted on the HERO130.
4. People on the other thread had report dialing problems flashing HERO100 radio rom onto HERO130. The problem went away by flashing a newer HERO100 (but no one knows where it came from) radio rom, although people are still reporting SMS problem with this radio rom on HERO130. This radio has been reported to work perfectly (indeed, a lot reported better reception) on HERO100. If the HERO100 and the HERO130 share the same hardware, the difference should go away by flashing the same rom. The fact that, with the same rom the HERO130 supports 850/1900 for 3G while the HERO100 doesn't, clearly indicate the difference in hardware.
While it is not impossible for cell phone manufacturers modify radio rom to restrict bands that their phones support, this is very uncommon (Can you name those WinMo device that you mentioned?). On the other hand, almost every cell phone model has various verisons of hardware to support different bands in different countries. A chip that supports fewer bands costs less. When there are enough demand to move sales, it is much more profitable to produce a region specific hardware with a cheaper chip than to write code to restrict the functionality of a more expensive chip that supports bands that that region never needs.

T-Mobile Desire will be the HTC Desire!

Just been told this by T-Mobile Support. The HTC Desire on T-Mobile will be the HTC Desire, this means all HTC Branding is intact, no HTC logos are replaced with the T-Mobile one, no design features changed etc.
https://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/coming-soon/htc-desire/
This I beleive is the first HTC Handset in a long time on TMobile in my experiance:
The HTC Diamond:
- Was renamed the MDA IV
- Had no diamond back
- Had no HTC Branding
The G1:
- Renamed the T-Mobile G1
- Had no coloured call and end call buttons.
- Had No HTC Branding
The Hero:
- Renamed the G2 Touch
- Had no HTC Branding
I don't know how important this is to people but it was quite important to me, I'd much rather have a HTC Desire than a T-Mobile G3 Touch My3g...
P.S. Just a thought, it might not have any network branding at all seeing as how Orange and T-Mobile are soon to become one, possibly new named, network.

That's good news. But their pricing will be key. I've been told we'll know on the 26th.

Just wondering...would the UK version of the Desire work in the U.S.?

I don't think so. Desire is Dualband. However the nexus is triband

ninjakettle said:
I don't think so. Desire is Dualband. However the nexus is triband
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Incorrect. Both phones are quad band.
From HTC's own specifications:
HTC Nexus One
HSDPA/WCDMA: 900/AWS/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HTC Desire
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
So, with the exception of AWS on the Nexus, the specs are identical.

Teppic24 said:
Incorrect. Both phones are quad band.
From HTC's own specifications:
HTC Nexus One
HSDPA/WCDMA: 900/AWS/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HTC Desire
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
So, with the exception of AWS on the Nexus, the specs are identical.
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Which still begs the questions...will it work in the U.S.?

Teppic24 said:
Incorrect. Both phones are quad band.
From HTC's own specifications:
HTC Nexus One
HSDPA/WCDMA: 900/AWS/2100 MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HTC Desire
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
So, with the exception of AWS on the Nexus, the specs are identical.
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Fair enough, confused myself when i read this article - so the difference is triband vs dualband with regards to browsing/3g speeds?
"The Desire lacks both the active noise cancellation and the triband HSDPA/WCDMA of the Nexus One, making do with just dualband 900/2100. That means it’s not much use – at least in terms of high-speed cellular connectivity – outside of Europe and Asia; take the Desire to the US and you’ll be stuck using quadband EDGE or hunting for WiFi hotspots."

It will work on T-Mobile USA you will get 3G. If you use it on AT&T you will only get edge as it doesnt support AT&T's 3G. It will not work on Verizon or Sprint.

ste1164 said:
It will work on T-Mobile USA you will get 3G. If you use it on AT&T you will only get edge as it doesnt support AT&T's 3G. It will not work on Verizon or Sprint.
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If in fact it does support 3G for T-mobile USA...then I believe some people in the marketplace are about to make some money when this phone comes out

why does t-mobile UK get all of the good phones? T-mobile US gets sidekicks and g1's

redrazr7791 said:
If in fact it does support 3G for T-mobile USA...then I believe some people in the marketplace are about to make some money when this phone comes out
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I said it would support T-Mobile USA's 3G just not AT&T's

ste1164 said:
I said it would support T-Mobile USA's 3G just not AT&T's
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Understood, as I am with T-mobile right now so...my only concern is whether or not I could catch 3G

redrazr7791 said:
Understood, as I am with T-mobile right now so...my only concern is whether or not I could catch 3G
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You do realise you would need a Sim Free Desire?
A T-Mobile UK handset wouldn't work with T-Mobile US.

brummiesteven said:
You do realise you would need a Sim Free Desire?
A T-Mobile UK handset wouldn't work with T-Mobile US.
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You know that thought just ran through my mind right before I logged in
Guess I am back to square 1...either importing one or waiting until AT&T "hopefully" gets it, in which I would probably jump ship.

WOWzers, is t mobile UK selling an exclsive black version like they did with HTC Hero?> :Looks like it from the pics...

brummiesteven said:
Just been told this by T-Mobile Support. The HTC Desire on T-Mobile will be the HTC Desire, this means all HTC Branding is intact, no HTC logos are replaced with the T-Mobile one, no design features changed etc.
https://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/coming-soon/htc-desire/
This I beleive is the first HTC Handset in a long time on TMobile in my experiance:
The HTC Diamond:
- Was renamed the MDA IV
- Had no diamond back
- Had no HTC Branding
The G1:
- Renamed the T-Mobile G1
- Had no coloured call and end call buttons.
- Had No HTC Branding
The Hero:
- Renamed the G2 Touch
- Had no HTC Branding
I don't know how important this is to people but it was quite important to me, I'd much rather have a HTC Desire than a T-Mobile G3 Touch My3g...
P.S. Just a thought, it might not have any network branding at all seeing as how Orange and T-Mobile are soon to become one, possibly new named, network.
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Both the HD2 and Touch 2 have not been rebranded either.

AT&T Data Plan Pricing

I apologize if a thread like this already exists, I couldn't find it.
I'm planning on purchasing the Telus Desire with 850/1900Mhz 3G for use on AT&T once it comes out. However, I want to confirm that I can use the "dumbphone" unlimited data plan (which is $15 or $10 for families) instead of the regular, overpriced, capped smartphone plans. I do this currently on my Motorola Milestone so I want to make sure it works okay with the Desire. Can anyone on AT&T confirm this for me?

... nobody on AT&T will be able to confirm this with you because not even Canadians have this phone yet. But if they don't know the Milestone IMEI they probably won't know the Telus Desire IMEI.

Right, I know it's not out yet but I was more looking for someone with the regular Desire on AT&T who could tell me. (I'm figuring AT&T will treat all Desires the same way)

The imei is not registered with ATT. Therefore you can have as I do a 10 or 15 dollar data for quick messaging phones and standard flips.
You will have 3g wherever there is 850 mhz 3g. TElstra desire does not have 1900 mhz 3g, but ATT will have the entire network on 850 mhz 3g by end of the year.
What state are you in?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

mayad79 said:
The imei is not registered with ATT. Therefore you can have as I do a 10 or 15 dollar data for quick messaging phones and standard flips.
You will have 3g wherever there is 850 mhz 3g. TElstra desire does not have 1900 mhz 3g, but ATT will have the entire network on 850 mhz 3g by end of the year.
What state are you in?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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Correct, the Telstra (Australia) Desire is UMTS 850/2100. But the upcoming Telus (Canada) Desire is UMTS 850/1900.

Thanks for the info, I'm glad to hear that. I'm probably going to wait for the Telus model so I get full 850/1900 and I think I like the idea of the SLCD better than the AMOLED for outdoor use. And the off-contract price for the Telus Desire is rumored to be only $450, hopefully that's true Now they just need to launch the darn thing!

cmstlist said:
... nobody on AT&T will be able to confirm this with you because not even Canadians have this phone yet. But if they don't know the Milestone IMEI they probably won't know the Telus Desire IMEI.
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How did AT&T get the Nexus ONE IMEIs if they don't carry it. Is HTC handling them over?...

I assume the N1 is a special case... and it was released in the US.

The regular Desire won't work on 3g in the US uses different frequencies for 3g, so you have to wait for the North American version to come out. That's why people are saying that no one has one on AT&T

Bomaster said:
The regular Desire won't work on 3g in the US uses different frequencies for 3g, so you have to wait for the North American version to come out. That's why people are saying that no one has one on AT&T
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The Telus Desire is already out and that *is* the North American version.

[Q] Ace or Inspire?

Hi my plushies
Anyways. I just got a Desire HD! YAY ME!
Being a Desire owner for 2 years and seeing a lot of great development on the HD, i'd give it a go. So far seems good, though i like the AMOLED a bit more imo
So my first boot after getting it from retailer, it boots with T-Mobile logo. That means its from USA right? Is my phone then an Inspire or a Ace? Afaik, the Inspire is the american version?
The weird part is, i got the T-Mobile one because the other one (a danish one WWE), was send for repair and i recieved this instead.
Will this affect anything? And how the *** do i figure out of its an Inspire or Ace?!
**Btw, i did do my search first lol
**Is it on the bootloader? I saw an "Ace" in there, but wasn't sure if everyone DHD had that name
*2. edit* Lol apparently i've used the wrong terms. So, Desire HD or Inspire (Apparently their all Ace (As in vendor Ace, like the Desire -> Vendor Bravo))

Inspire is the 4g version DHD was not.
also check the "full" spec list at the bottom of this page
http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-htc-inspire-4g-and-vs-htc-desire-hd/

I've got a german t-mobile branded phone so i'd never be sure where it's from
but yes: DHD is the HSPA version, Inspire 4G is the 4G version (LTE? HSPA+? no clue)

My phone is an American inspire that i bought unlocked online... its actually an ATT phone and not tmobile. If your phone is a Tmobile then its def not american but probably from some other countey instead. Another way to find out is by seeing if you get access to 3g in yoir country. Because att uses frequencies that are different from most other countries around the world, the american Inspire doesnt get access to 3g data in most countries. Apart from that its practicaly the same phone hope this helpzs
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

There are basically 3 versions of the Desire HD.
First is the European/Asian version. It is model A9191 and has high speed data bands of 900/2100. It can be branded or non branded but they are all the same physically. If it says T-mobile on it then it is a European version branded to T-mobile.
2nd is the Telus Desire HD from Canada. It is model A9192 and has high speed data bands of 850/1900. It has no logo denoting it as a branded phone. It also has a second mic by the camera flash used for noise reduction.
3rd is the Inspire 4G from ATT in the USA. It is also model A9192. Physically it is exactly like the Telus Desire HD except it has ATT branding logos on the phone.
All 3 phones are HSPDA compatible. All 3 have the same size memory. All three have the same LCD. In terms of getting at least 3G, if you live in Europe you want the A9191. The A9192 is mainly for North America/parts of South America and can be used in parts of Australia on the Telstra network.

Hi I currently have a A9191 running CM7.2.
When I purchased this phone (in Australia) I was originally on the Vodafone network & I'm now on Telstra NextG (850) - but for high speed data it can only get the "3" network = 2100.
I wanted to know if it is possible to load on the A9192 baseband to "activate" / change to the high speed data bands of 850/1900? Or if there is any other mod to do this?
Or is the physical hardware of the A9191 only capable of the high speed data bands of 900/2100?
Any help or advise would be much appreciated

David_PDA2K said:
Hi I currently have a A9191 running CM7.2.
When I purchased this phone (in Australia) I was originally on the Vodafone network & I'm now on Telstra NextG (850) - but for high speed data it can only get the "3" network = 2100.
I wanted to know if it is possible to load on the A9192 baseband to "activate" / change to the high speed data bands of 850/1900? Or if there is any other mod to do this?
Or is the physical hardware of the A9191 only capable of the high speed data bands of 900/2100?
Any help or advise would be much appreciated
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I don't know the specs for the dhd, but it is a hardware issue.
Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27844700
Sent from a dream.

Thanks Teichopsia,
Looking at this thread, it looks like he was trying to get 4G (inspire4G) out of a 3G device, which I'd say is even harder than just switching bands.
But it doesn't mention anything about the A9192 vs A9291.
Even Qualcomm's site doesn't list a A9192.
I agree it does look like a potentially hardware thing though - i.e. potentially different radio hardware / antenna / firmware... but I don't specifically see this detailed anywhere. Looking to see something that says it is different physical hardware.
The theory I'd like to validate - both Desire HDs use the same MSM8255 chipset, & perhaps you can make a A9191 to a A9292 with flashing the right firmware.
Going to reply to the thread you sent to see if they had any further luck.
Kind Regards,
David.

HTC Desire in USA

Hi everybody, I am going to live in the US for a semester and I want an american number. I found the possibility of buying a Sim Card on T-Mobile and use it with my unlocked phone. The problem is that my phone does not appear in the list of compatible phones. My phone is HTC Desire (Bravo), European model. In the box it appears the following: GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 and HDSPA/WCDMA 900/2100.
Will I get 3G? I've talked to several operators, each one tells me a different thing. There was even one who asked for my IMEI and told me 3G would work 100% sure. Others tell me that I won't only get EDGE speed.
Who can clarify this? It is REALLY important. I LOVE my cellphone, I don't want one of those prepaid phones that are crap, I'd only buy another phone if it would be better than mine, but they are really expensive and it has no sense to buy a cellphone for 4 months when I have one cellphone that I love.
WHAT CAN I DO? I will use data on a daily basis to connect with my family overseas!

Most of US carriers use 850 and 1900MHz for GSM and 1700 and 1900 for HSPA and WCDMA, so I think you won't have luck with 3G, but the rest will do perfectly.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA