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Why APP2SD+?

Can anybody exlplain me, whats the difference between Froyo APP2SD (With SpareParts hack to move ALL APPS to SD) and APP2SD+?
Can anybody make a Official HTC, deoxed, rooted, WITHOUT APP2SD+?

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APP2SD allows you to move certain apps to your SD card and run them from there BUT as these are placed on the normal root of the SD when you mount the SD, via USB for example, you loose access to these apps until you remount SD. This means you cant install widgets to the SD and such like.
APP2SD+ on the other hand uses an ext3 partition (or ext4 on newer versions) which then installs all apps & widgets to that partition and when the SD is mounted you dont lose any apps or widgets as is located in a seperate partition.
Hope that helps.
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mrwookie6379 said:
APP2SD allows you to move certain apps to your SD card and run them from there BUT as these are placed on the normal root of the SD when you mount the SD, via USB for example, you loose access to these apps until you remount SD. This means you cant install widgets to the SD and such like.
APP2SD+ on the other hand uses an ext3 partition (or ext4 on newer versions) which then installs all apps & widgets to that partition and when the SD is mounted you dont lose any apps or widgets as is located in a seperate partition.
Hope that helps.
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Excellent definition. Cleared things up for me

mrwookie6379 said:
APP2SD allows you to move certain apps to your SD card and run them from there BUT as these are placed on the normal root of the SD when you mount the SD, via USB for example, you loose access to these apps until you remount SD. This means you cant install widgets to the SD and such like.
APP2SD+ on the other hand uses an ext3 partition (or ext4 on newer versions) which then installs all apps & widgets to that partition and when the SD is mounted you dont lose any apps or widgets as is located in a seperate partition.
Hope that helps.
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AHH
Excellent definition!
But you loose some Space on the SD for the EXT Partition, i need every Byte i can find xD, APP2SD+ is no Solution for me, i prefer Froyo APP2SD =)

just buy bigger SD ?

kmetek said:
just buy bigger SD ?
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Give me some Money xD

Exelent explication, thanks =)

PsYDoX said:
Give me some Money xD
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Better buy a new card for 20 bucks than buying another phone with a bigger internal memory

RevoWution said:
Excellent definition. Cleared things up for me
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does that mean that if i use this, then i can play games like angry birds on gingerbread even if they're placed on the external memory?

yuhenyo said:
does that mean that if i use this, then i can play games like angry birds on gingerbread even if they're placed on the external memory?
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Yes, the ext3 partition acts as part of the internal storage
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APPS on SD?

Any ideas how I could get my apps onto my 4gig sd card.
I have read the tutorial but in my clockwords recovery mode, there is no option to partition.
The reason for the partition is for adding my apps to my SD card.
Currently I have tons of apps and allot of them slow my phone down.
Should this be the case? I was advised that the way android works is, it auto closes apps when the speed starts to slow down?

mobad said:
Any ideas how I could get my apps onto my 4gig sd card.
I have read the tutorial but in my clockwords recovery mode, there is no option to partition.
The reason for the partition is for adding my apps to my SD card.
Currently I have tons of apps and allot of them slow my phone down.
Should this be the case? I was advised that the way android works is, it auto closes apps when the speed starts to slow down?
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the linux kernal will close apps when it needs to but that has very little to do with where the apps actually reside.
you need to partition your card with rom manager from the market in order to enable apps2sd( not the crappy froyo apps2sd mind)
copy the contents of your card at the moment to your pc. downlaod rom manager from the market, use it to partition your card with 512mb and 32mb swap. then dowload modinstalllocation from the market, this will allow you to chose where you save your apps too. choose 1 internal( ie the 512mb ext 3 partition for apps2sd you made with rom manager). copy all your content back to your sd card. all your apps should now be in your ext3 partition. if you really want to move apps to the actual sd card main partition, choose location 2 phone with modinstallocation but beware that whenever you mount the sd card those apps wont work till its remounted( its wise not to put widgets on the sd card). to check all this info and make sure apps2sd is working correctly you can downlaod quick settings info from the market and it will give you all the info you need on internal and apps2sd storage on your phone.

Many thanks for your reply.
I have just done as you said and then downlaoded aroudn 4 apps equalling around 20mb.
They seem to be on the sd card and internal.
The size of external has gone down by around 15mb and around 5-10mb has goen down on the internal as well?

mobad said:
Many thanks for your reply.
I have just done as you said and then downlaoded aroudn 4 apps equalling around 20mb.
They seem to be on the sd card and internal.
The size of external has gone down by around 15mb and around 5-10mb has goen down on the internal as well?
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That is correct. If you are using legacy Apps2SD or Froyo Apps2SD, the Dalvik cache (see here) remains on the internal phone memory.
So, when you install a new application onto SD card, it will consume memory on internal phone memory, though at a lesser rate than if the app was installed on phone memory (in my experience, roughly half the rate).
The only way to "resolve" this is to install legacy Apps2SD+, which also moves the Dalvik cache to SD card.
Personally, I don't do this - what I do is actively manage my applications using Titanium backup. For example, I seldom use certain large apps such as Google Earth, and some games, but I do want to keep them available. So I install them on the phone, and then back them up using Titanium Backup. When storage is low, I will remove them from the phone, but I can bring them back quickly (and without using data) as required.
I don't use legacy Apps2SD+ because I do have several SD cards that I want to be able to swap between quickly.
Regards,
Dave

Dave - many thanks for your comprehensive and useful reply.
What would be the limitation for using Apps2SD+?
From your reply im assuming it would stop me from chaing sd cards?

Essentially yes - you'd need to keep the EXT partition across SD cards in sync, which while not impossible, is more difficult than just copying .android_secure folder from one card to another which I believe should work ok so long as being used in the same phone.
Regards,
Dave

Excellent.
I think im ready to set it all up.
Got two not technical final question for you -
Which rom would you recommend?
I'm currentl with Frost 2.9a however I found Modaco's custom rom to be mroe fruitful with apps/stability.
Which 16gb/32gb sd card would you recommend?
Thanks

mobad said:
Which 16gb/32gb sd card would you recommend?
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I regularly use two 16gb Class 2 Sandisk cards and a 8gb Class 6 Transcend card. To be honest, I've no performance issues with either and my Sandisk cards regular exceed Class 6 minimums. Personally, I see no point paying extra for a large capacity Class 6 or Class 10 card - I may try 720p recording on my Class 6 soon though to see if it improves the framerate, but I doubt there will be much if any difference.
Regards,
Dave

Memory problem

I have just seven apps on my desire and it say I don't have more place , what else more than app are on entire disk which I can clean for I get more place . I have desire rooted with 16gb SD card
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Are you using A2SD+? Or this is the internal memory?

I have problem with internal memory
What are more things are on the memory I can delete
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Unless you are S-OFF, you can only delete the things you've installed by yourself or move them to the SD Card (Non_A2SD+).

What do u mean s off
I mean the apps is about 50 mb what happened with 200 mb
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Stock ROM? Rooted? More info please.

i dont which rom i didnt change the rom but it´s rooted
i have app 2 sd and under movable idont have any app to move
under phone only there are 6 apps
adobe flash player 11.29 MB
Maps 11.09MB
Gmail 4.52 MB
Market 3 MB
Bank 1.94MB
Street view 604 kb
and the total is 147.62 MB
what are the rest ?
if anyone can help me pls?
I´m not very high
THANK U

Probably cache & Other non-app related stuff.
Also, if you don't have A2SD+ (not App2SD), then some applications will be on Internal memory even after moved to the SD card.

xXx8004 said:
I have just seven apps on my desire and it say I don't have more place , what else more than app are on entire disk which I can clean for I get more place . I have desire rooted with 16gb SD card
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I am not an android expert, but you do need app2sd or data2sd to fix this.
Any 3rd party rom with those X2sd supported can let you extend your limited phone storage. I don't know the android system file structure at all but here is the general idea.
i. App2sd
This will install the apps (most of them) on your sd card, but the data, I think, still remains on your phone internal storage. Your system should be very fast as normal even with low class sd card (most of the time I think :-0 ).
ii. Data2sd
This is a little bit tricky, it requires you to format your sd card and make use of the sd card instead of your internal phone storage for the operating system. You generally get an unlimited store, it depends on how much memory you allocated for the system, also you need a higher class sd card as better.
iii. Data2sd mixed mode
This is the best solution for me . it moves almost all to the sd card but some part of the system with more i/o on the phone internal storage (actually symlinks point back to the device on sd card). This will make the system fast (faster than pure data2sd), extended the phone storage a lot, but still limited to the phone internal storage (better than app2sd though)
Again, this is just my understanding. I haven't looked into Android in depth yet, but I will one day I have enough time
You can found the ROMs and almost everything you need from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916417
Really appreciated the people who did the job there.

I have app 2 SD
I fixed partition ex2 to move the apps but I can't see ext2 partition
Must I have app2sd+ , where can download it.
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Create at least EXT3 with more than 512 MB.
You don't have the option anywhere, to move to the EXT partition, it is automatically done by the script.
To see your EXT partition you must use TI Backup (Shows only as A2SD+) or GParted.

Ok not ext2
I have tried with ex2 it doesn't work , should I have swipe ?
I will do it with Linux
Which Rom do u think is best now ?
Where can I download a2sd+ ?
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A2SD+ is not a program, it is a script. Included in the ROMs.
Look around in the Desire Android Developement Section for ROMs and pick one you like. Most of them have A2SD+.

Do some reading... rooting guides include all the information you need

I will format the SD and try to found some Rom with a2sd+
Why desire have very little memory it should be 2 or 4 gb
Thank everyone and I will be back with feedbAck
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No brainer... Data2SD !
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This has always been a problem with my desire until i found out about AlphaRev. Now i've got 166MB free internal space. My suggestion is to install AlphaRev and modify the partition tables as listed in the tutorial on alpharev.nl. I would have posted a link but i can't post links yet.

i downloaded RCMIxHD_v3.4_ROT_D2EXT_RC1 and made a parttion ext3 and now work perfect.
Thank u everybody

[Q] how should i create my partitions?

Hello all
ive had a good read at alot of resources, but cant seem to find one answer, so here it goes...
i have a new 16gb class 10 card.
whats best way to partition the card?
ok ok i no it all depends on how much space i want for apps and music etc, but as a basic...
lets assume with a 16gb you get full 16gb, (when really it will be 15gb)
so would this be best way to have it partitioned for my desire,
12gb FAT32, 4GB ext4 , 0swap ??
more info - aim to be always using Oxygen

what do you plan to use the EXT4 partition for? I'm total noob, but been reading a lot. One of the recurring recommendations (app2sd, data2sd) seems to be to use max 2GB EXT partition for stability.
(but perhaps you know better )
I partitioned my 8GB card the other day using the soft (MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition) recommended here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=SD_card_partitioning
Most people seem to recommend Gparted as the ultimate partition manager, but then you need Linux or a LiveCD, and I was too tired to make one of those.

4GB ext for what? lol
1GB is more than enough, and 2 - only you manage to fill up, if you download the whole market
And also some scripts do not support ext partition > 2gb.

As already said, 1GB for ext4 is far enough ! Swap is not very usefull.

Use gparted method...very easy n very safe.....
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superliam said:
Hello all
ive had a good read at alot of resources, but cant seem to find one answer, so here it goes...
i have a new 16gb class 10 card.
whats best way to partition the card?
ok ok i no it all depends on how much space i want for apps and music etc, but as a basic...
lets assume with a 16gb you get full 16gb, (when really it will be 15gb)
so would this be best way to have it partitioned for my desire,
12gb FAT32, 4GB ext4 , 0swap ??
more info - aim to be always using Oxygen
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I use EASEUS Partition Master Professional Edition, with this you can create ext3.
In recovery you can convert ext3 to ext4 or you can partrition sd card only ext2 and ext3 and then convert ext2 to ext3 or ext3 to ext4.
For me easeus works great and easy to use.

I've been moving my Apps to SD as often as possible and I have been running with about 24mb of free internal space.
Now Google+ is here and it wont go to SD I have 11MB and that annoying low space icon is sat in my notification bar taunting me.
Does this partitioning thing trick the phone into using the SDcard as if it were internal memory?

i'd use AmonRA to partition it. no need to fiddle with gparted. everything is done internally.

olly230 said:
I've been moving my Apps to SD as often as possible and I have been running with about 24mb of free internal space.
Now Google+ is here and it wont go to SD I have 11MB and that annoying low space icon is sat in my notification bar taunting me.
Does this partitioning thing trick the phone into using the SDcard as if it were internal memory?
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That all depends on what ROM u are running.. I use CM7 and a little app from market called s2e which moves all apps to partition
Other ROMs like GingerBurst use app2sd+ or data+ which do basically the same thing but built into the ROM
If you're using standard android app2sd u will always run out of space in no time
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olly230 said:
I've been moving my Apps to SD as often as possible and I have been running with about 24mb of free internal space.
Now Google+ is here and it wont go to SD I have 11MB and that annoying low space icon is sat in my notification bar taunting me.
Does this partitioning thing trick the phone into using the SDcard as if it were internal memory?
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Oh and yes the partitioning tricks the handset into thinking the SD ext is internal storage with app2sd+ etc
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I think the best way is with the magic seach button just use one of the MANY guides

I agree. Search gparted and you will find step by step instructions. Follow them and its simple.
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[LOOKING FOR] App for SOLVE internal memory problem on my Desire..any idea?

Hello team / people, I'm just looking for an App for SOLVE my internal memory problem on my Desire cause I'm always getting LOW MEMORY SPACE on this device, almost of my essential Apps are installed on my microSD card, myabe there is an App for simulate more space on internal memory, like a partition or something that sucks microSD space and solve this problem, don't know, any idea? any help?
thanks for everything.
BR,

Yh partition ur sdcard
HTCdesire ~ s-off & rooted
RunnymedeAIO 4EXT

Try cachemate app in market. Gets u a bit more space n app2sd
HTCdesire ~ s-off & rooted
RunnymedeAIO 4EXT

I struggled like crazy with this problem before I rooted my phone and got an extra partition to store app data and cashe.
I guess you ask this question because you dont want to root your phone. I remember this thread from the time I used to struggle with this exact problem. Perhaps they have new ways to increase the int.memory these days.
(hope its allowed to post links to other forum)
http://androidforums.com/desire-tip...ore-most-apps-sd-without-root-simplified.html

The best way i've found this is to root your phone and install Cyanogenmod 7.1, and use an app available from the Play Store called S2E. You will need to prep your SD card though - I used a card reader, inserted it into my computer and booted off a Ubuntu Live CD, then use Gparted to make two partitions - one large main fat32 partition for music etc, and a 1GB ext4 partition after the fat32 one for apps. Once you have that, put it back in the phone and you can setup S2E to move entire apps to the SD card I have about 90 apps on there now, works perfect, makes the phone better than new! Hope this helps.

stephendt0 said:
The best way i've found this is to root your phone and install Cyanogenmod 7.1, and use an app available from the Play Store called S2E. You will need to prep your SD card though - I used a card reader, inserted it into my computer and booted off a Ubuntu Live CD, then use Gparted to make two partitions - one large main fat32 partition for music etc, and a 1GB ext4 partition after the fat32 one for apps. Once you have that, put it back in the phone and you can setup S2E to move entire apps to the SD card I have about 90 apps on there now, works perfect, makes the phone better than new! Hope this helps.
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please please tell me more about it .. i am using latest version of miui. can i use S2E ? Miui already required a hidden partition for installation purposes. Do I need to create another on ?

Miui doesn't support S2E I believe as it designed for Cyanogenmod. There is another application called link2sd (I think) which does the same sort of job. I remember finding it ages ago and it not working well with Cyanogenmod though. Cyanogenmod 7.1 seems to be the most stable ROM around at the moment though, just a little slow is my only quarrel. This is from my experience anyway, haven't tried ICS ROMs. Tried Miui for about 10 minutes and didn't like it personally.

Try the ICS BCM 3.1U0
It IS working fabulous.
And it has a built in app called Mounts2SD. It seems that I can use both my internal and the extra partition and the space on my SD-card.
I highly recommend that you format your SD-card and get a 512mb partition. Then its smooth sailing.

Which ROM do you currently use?