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I'm actually a little embarrassed to even have to ask this question, I'm also pretty sure I know the answer but better safe than sorry. Can anyone confirm that the Tmobile version of the TP2 is able to access the ATT 3G network? I'm 99% sure it will but that weird Tmob band makes me nervous, any input would be appreciated.
No, it will not. However the ATT version shouldn't be too far behind the Tmo launch so don't worry too much
no offense but what is the basis for your statement, the Tmob version will have
850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 bands which are basically the ATT bands plus 1700, why would the Wing II not work on the ATT network?
aaronsmckee said:
no offense but what is the basis for your statement, the Tmob version will have
850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 bands which are basically the ATT bands plus 1700, why would the Wing II not work on the ATT network?
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Please show me where you found this data? Tmobile USA 3g network doesn't use the 1900 band for 3g; they use the 1700 band which is why Tmobile has to have devices specifically made for their network and why the Tmobile USA version won't work on ATT USA.
Again to clarify:
Tmobile USA = 1700/2100 for upload/download for its 3G
ATT = 850/1900 for upload/download for its 3G
Now Tmobile USA does use the 1900mhz frequency but that its GSM frequency it is not related to the 3g frequency. Confusing i know, but you asked.
One of the images advertising it does state all those bands, but does not differentiate which are for gsm and which for 3G (which can be misleading and confusing, ergo the clarification by jim_0068 ^). Though if they share the 2100 I have no idea whether you can get limited functionality or if you HAVE to have both of them. *shrugs*
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Please show me where you found this data? Tmobile USA 3g network doesn't use the 1900 band for 3g; they use the 1700 band which is why Tmobile has to have devices specifically made for their network and why the Tmobile USA version won't work on ATT USA.
Again to clarify:
Tmobile USA = 1700/2100 for upload/download for its 3G
ATT = 1900/2100 for upload/download for its 3G
Now Tmobile USA does use the 1900mhz frequency but that its GSM frequency it is not related to the 3g frequency. Confusing i know, but you asked.
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actually this is not entirely true either,
AT&T is using 850 and 1900 Mhz for their 3G network,
it was revealed recently that they are pushing the 3G network to the higher frequency (850) and plan to have the 3G completely on 850 by 2010.
if AT&T is using 2100, we would've been able to use the european HTC devices which has the 2100 band.
jim_0068 said:
Please show me where you found this data?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537517
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4144863&postcount=1
aaronsmckee said:
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850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 bands
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As far as I'm aware:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS:1700/2100
And therein lies the problem... While it supports all the bands that would be required, only a small subset actually apply to a 3G connection/signal...
Minimally, that would be the specs for it to work on T-Mobile, and quad-band GSM is just standard on 99% of phones these days...
baymon said:
actually this is not entirely true either,
AT&T is using 850 and 1900 Mhz for their 3G network,
it was revealed recently that they are pushing the 3G network to the higher frequency (850) and plan to have the 3G completely on 850 by 2010.
if AT&T is using 2100, we would've been able to use the european HTC devices which has the 2100 band.
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You're correct and i edited my post it is 850/1900 for ATT US 3G
I gaurantee you that the T-Mobile Touch Pro2 will not work on ATT's 3G Network At All... the frequencies for ATT will only support the 2G Network and therefore only phone calls and text messaging will work.
let's not go that far, let's not forget gprs (same speed as dial-up) and more importantly EDGE (for some that's more than enough).
when I go into the phone settings -- band I have these options on the Tmobile TP2:
GSM (900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM (1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
hppyfnbll said:
when I go into the phone settings -- band I have these options on the Tmobile TP2:
GSM (900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM (1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
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hmm, now I think the T-Mobile Touch Pro2 works on ATT's 3G Network.
It should also work worldwide too.
oooh, European bands, "standard" North American bands (they're not really standardized, neither in the US nor Canada and Mexico is barely getting 3G into place), and no idea what the last one is for, sounds like cdma...
solsearch said:
oooh, European bands, "standard" North American bands (they're not really standardized, neither in the US nor Canada and Mexico is barely getting 3G into place), and no idea what the last one is for, sounds like cdma...
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hmmm why is there 800 MHz?
Obviously this is some bull**** because it supports all of the 3G frequencies of worldwide carriers and american carriers.
I wouldn't trust this guy, he has 4 posts and he's obviously posting rumors.
Sorry for the horrible pictures, using a g1 to take them. I love watching people jump to conclusions.
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Sorry for the horrible pictures, using a g1 to take them. I love watching people jump to conclusions.
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I think those numbers are for software only, in fact you probably don't have the hardware to support the frequencies of the wrong carrier.
seems that 800mhz is for Japan
and it doesn't allow for all of the North American bands (it's missing the 1700 one).
Could be just a software thing without hardware support, though that might be a tad odd, any way to check if it is?
solsearch said:
seems that 800mhz is for Japan
and it doesn't allow for all of the North American bands (it's missing the 1700 one).
Could be just a software thing without hardware support, though that might be a tad odd, any way to check if it is?
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My Xperia X1a shows UMTS (900) even when I check the settings... IN FACT only the X1i supports
It's very likely that the numbers you are seeing are actually all of the frequencies that are "summed up" and therefore the TP2 for T-mobile does not have the actual hardware.
poetryrocksalot said:
hmmm why is there 800 MHz?
Obviously this is some bull**** because it supports all of the 3G frequencies of worldwide carriers and american carriers.
I wouldn't trust this guy, he has 4 posts and he's obviously posting rumors.
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Those options have been around with the custom ROMs, I have that too on my Fuze, if your hardware doesn't support it then it'll just be an eye candy.
Bottom line is this, if you want to utilize AT&T's 3G, then you'll need to wait for AT&T's Fortress because you need the 850 and 1900 band (UMTS band II). If you want to use T-mobile's 3G you still need a TP2 that has the 1700 and 2100 band (UMTS band IV), and no you cannot use european TP2 to access US T-mobile's 3G band because european's (and asia's) 3G utilizes UMTS band I, they are on a slightly different frequencies even though they are categorized both on 2100Mhz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
I'm new here and I enjoyed this site very much. I have one problem with my TP2. Somehow, 3G network is not working after I installed Hard-SPL and unlocked T-Mobile TP2 switch to AT&T sim card. Everything is working fine with AT&T's sim card I was able to made phone calls, received, SMS, and web browsing. ATT 's 3G network is available around my home, but I can not get 3G on TP2 instead a EDGE network. Can unlocked TP2 handle AT&T's 3G network? or a .cab file I can download to fix this?
idk for sure but i think t mobile uses a different frequency for 3g from at&t so if they are you are stuck with edge speeds on at&t man sorry
I have the tmobile TP2 and i can confirm from talking with ATT that the phone does support ATT BUT i was unable to use the phone on 3g. The phone DOES support the signals for 3g but am still unable to access the towers in my area. I think the phone may be hard set to look at tmobile towers, is there any way i could reset the device to open up its tower usage? Hopefully i can get an answer but no tmobile TP2 users arent screwed in the US we just need to find a fix
It was my understanding that the tmobile tp2 does NOT have 850/1900mhz 3g on it. It does have aws 1700 for sure. Not sure about 2100mhz though for overseas.
This issue has been covered many times in the numerous AT&T threads on this board.
I'm sorry to tell you that the T-Mobile TP2 hardware radio was limited to using 3G over the 1700/900Hz frequencies, while AT&T currently uses 1900/850Hz only. It's unlikely that any change can be made to the radio software wise to fix this issue.
Just to make things clear the issue has nothing to do with Hard SPL or custom roms.
T-Mobile UMTS 1700/2100 Mhz
T-Mobile 3G runs on UMTS 1700 up and 2100 down. Unless you have a device that runs on those specific frequencies, EDGE is the best you can do with T-Mobile if you opt to run on their service.
ATT offers UMTS or 3G using 850mhz(the old TDMA band) and 1900mhz. While T-mobile offers HSDPA (technically 3.5g part of the UMTS specification) using 1700MHz for uplink and 2100MHz downlink.
Because HSDPA is part of the UMTS spec, it’s backward compatable. However, you have the limiting factor beging that the frequencies the individual carriers use to transmit the data.
Europe and Asia’s 3G runs on 1900/2100mhz. North and south America is supposed to use the (AWS) 3G spec using 1700/2100mhz
ATT didn’t want to wait, like T-mobile is doing, for homeland security to vacate those frequencies and launched on 850/1900mhz instead
ace.app said:
ATT didn’t want to wait, like T-mobile is doing, for homeland security to vacate those frequencies and launched on 850/1900mhz instead
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I heard that t-mobile did not have enough spectrum in many areas to launch 3g in its existing 1900mhz. At&t doesn't have that issue, or as bad.
Im gonna make this real easy for u. The tmobile tp2 will not work on at&t 3g. The 3g bands are different
Hi.
I have a UK Desire (Vodafone) and am soon going to the States (California) for a while. I know I won't be able to use 3G, but I'm assuming that I will still have no problems with calls and data, albeit the data will be a little slow. Is that correct?
Thanks, in advance.
correct. (the message is too short so I typed this extra sentence so I cuold pst a reply )
Actually, not completely correct. If you use the T-Mobile US network, you can use 3G.
Rusty! said:
Actually, not completely correct. If you use the T-Mobile US network, you can use 3G.
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How is that? I have an A8181 and not sure what settings I need to use 3g.
Rusty! said:
Actually, not completely correct. If you use the T-Mobile US network, you can use 3G.
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Actually it's completely correct. The Desire doesn't support the necessary bands for US T-Mobile.
Regards,
Dave
I will be tomorrow in the US ( Boston area ) let's see what will happen.
No matter how be aware that the data comm's are more expensive then phone calls.
foxmeister said:
Actually it's completely correct. The Desire doesn't support the necessary bands for US T-Mobile.
Regards,
Dave
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T-Mobile US runs 2100 for 3G doesn't it?
Rusty! said:
T-Mobile US runs 2100 for 3G doesn't it?
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It uses a pair of frequencies - 1700mhz and 2100mhz, otherwise known as AWS Band IV.
Crucially though, a phone requires both frequencies to operate on T-Mobile US's 3G service because it uses 2100 MHz to transmit and 1700 MHz to receive.
Since the Desire doesn't support the 1700mhz band, it can't work on T-Mobile US's 3G network and is restricted to EDGE.
Regards,
Dave
To be honest, the first thing I would be doing is turning roaming data off, unless you are made of money that is!
I travel weekly to the US, and have a T-Mob payg sim, that works no problem for me, but 3g is another story as stated earlier, the charges for data in the us are high, but you still have wifi, so just find a starbucks, mcdonalds, etc to connect, and most hotels have free wifi, download apps that search for free wifi around you.
foxmeister said:
It uses a pair of frequencies - 1700mhz and 2100mhz, otherwise known as AWS Band IV.
Crucially though, a phone requires both frequencies to operate on T-Mobile US's 3G service because it uses 2100 MHz to transmit and 1700 MHz to receive.
Since the Desire doesn't support the 1700mhz band, it can't work on T-Mobile US's 3G network and is restricted to EDGE.
Regards,
Dave
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Ahh right, understood
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To be honest, the first thing I would be doing is turning roaming data off, unless you are made of money that is!
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There's a setting on the Desire to prevent Data from working when it's Roaming but in general agreed.
GPRS/Edge are so painfully slow I wouldn't bother, even if it was cheap.
foxmeister said:
It uses a pair of frequencies - 1700mhz and 2100mhz, otherwise known as AWS Band IV. Crucially though, a phone requires both frequencies to operate on T-Mobile US's 3G service because it uses 2100 MHz to transmit and 1700 MHz to receive.
Since the Desire doesn't support the 1700mhz band, it can't work on T-Mobile US's 3G network and is restricted to EDGE.
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Does this apply to HSDPA too?
HSDPA is 3G really, so yes.
Thank you.
I guess my cellphone uses EDGE, but I am not sure what it is capable of. My download speeds are so slow, that I would like to change this somehow. Reading the specs on the side of the box, says:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900& UMTS/HSPA Bands 1/2/5/6
Is it capable of anything other than EDGE? From what I am reading and experiencing, it seems that the speeds are not going to be anything other than slow...
What model?
What network?
Where are you?
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Model: r800a
Network: T-Mobile
Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA
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Unless you are on 4g or wifi I'm sorry to say... it probably will be slow
Download "speedtest.net" app and check your download speed. If it's around 1.5-3mbps then that's pretty normal for 3G
Have you selected WCDMA/GSM in the Network settings, if it is only GSM you will only get EDGE speeds, if not you will get HSDPA (H Icon), I have data enabled and it works flawlessly, It had hit 6Mbps as well for me.
you will only get edge on t-mobile, ur phone doesn't have the required bands for 3g, if you were on atnt you would get 3g using the r800a.
Man, that sucks... time to change my provider...
just to clarify, im 99% sure you should, globally atnt and other 850mhz 3g band carrier phones are usually compatible, tesltra here in australia being one, and telus in canada. atnt also has their own "4g" play version with its souped up hsdpa+ radio. but technically, as far as i can tell, there is no reason your phone should not run fine on their network.
you cant get t-mobile 3g on any version of the play, tmobile actually uses 2 different bands for 3g data, and usually only phones built for t-mobile will work on its network because the 2 bands are not common anywhere else.
Im using this phone with cricket but for some reason it won't connect to 3g or hspa do anyone know why?
Perhaps because regular 2G, 3G or the faster 3G HSPA(+) on AT&T's network runs on GSM technology which is completely incompatible with the CDMA network Sprint uses for those technologies and the firmware on the Sprint variant is artificially limited to only be able to connect to CDMA and not GSM even though the phone's modem has the capability? Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt however.
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Perhaps because regular 2G, 3G or the faster 3G HSPA(+) on AT&T's network runs on GSM technology which is completely incompatible with the CDMA network Sprint uses for those technologies and the firmware on the Sprint variant is artificially limited to only be able to connect to CDMA and not GSM even though the phone's modem has the capability? Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt however.
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But I get Lte working fine.
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But I get Lte working fine.
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Yes, because LTE is its own technology. LTE, GSM and CDMA are each their own technologies, each completely different from the other in a multitude of ways. That's what makes one not compatible with the other, but with the advent of LTE it also made it much more cost-effective for device manufacturers to include 4G support for all major networks (provided the device supports the necessary bands and the carrier allows it, of course)... so yes, LTE should work flawlessly.
The specs on the LG Official Website for Sprint LG G8 shows it has all the 2G, 3G, and 4G bands on Cricket except it's missing B30 for 4G:
LTE Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/40/41/46/66/71;
CDMA Band Class 0/1/10;
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz;
UMTS Bands 1/2/4/5/8
Did you try to change the network mode to GSM/UMTS and reboot?
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The specs on the LG Official Website for Sprint LG G8 shows it has all the 2G, 3G, and 4G bands on Cricket except it's missing B30 for 4G:
LTE Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/13/17/20/25/26/28/40/41/46/66/71;
CDMA Band Class 0/1/10;
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz;
UMTS Bands 1/2/4/5/8
Did you try to change the network mode to GSM/UMTS and reboot?
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Yeah thats what I thought too but even after changing the network mode and restarting still not getting 3g data
Yes you can dial *#*#4636#*#* , go to phone information or network, look for preffered network, then select wcdma preferred, it will switch to hspa+, do note there will be no indication, only a 3g symbol on the bars. if you download network info app, it will let you see that you are indeed on hspa
Ok after many attempts to bring up my 3g inwas able to do so by going into ##data# and resetting the apn then boom 3g icon popped up. Weird because the apn was correct in the first place prior. But thanks now it works
what is the recommended network i should choose for tmobile network. i have sprint version
tdsii said:
what is the recommended network i should choose for tmobile network. i have sprint version
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LTE. If you don't get good speeds (about 10Mbps) then change it to GSM. This is something I actually have to remember to do if I'm outside the house because I actually get more consistent performance inside my house using 3G HSPA+/GSM. On HSPA+ it goes to is 6Mbps which is plenty usable but normally it runs at 10Mbps which is more than enough for Full HD streaming whereas if I use 4G LTE under the same condition I'll either get 30Mbps or 1Mbps depending on the time of day and/or if the network is congested. 1Mbps is definitely not usable for anything but streaming at horrible quality or browsing basic webpages.