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What is the difference between the SimFree version and the Pay As You Go version of the HTC Desire they are selling? The former is £429.99 and the latter is £348.99 (T-Mobile).
What is the reason for this large price gap? Aren't all Desires from this company factory-unlocked?

shawon007 said:
What is the difference between the SimFree version and the Pay As You Go version of the HTC Desire they are selling? The former is £429.99 and the latter is £348.99 (T-Mobile).
What is the reason for this large price gap? Aren't all Desires from this company factory-unlocked?
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Not a lot probably, the PAYG is likely subsidised by T mobile, and possibly locked to their network, where as the sim free one is direct from HTC.

Doubt it jon, as all Desires are shipped from HTC which are unlocked already...

It is tempting to go for this one, but would need to make sure its unlocked. Adding £15 on top for unlocking means I may as well go for a complete sim free handset from devicewire etc...

Which comes back to my point - they are unlocked.
I was thinking of getting this deal too, but there has to be a catch...

Locked to 3... will rooting/rom free me?

Excuse the newb question...
If I get an HTC Desire locked to the 3 network, will rooting/new rom free me from the carrier's lock?

eesmm said:
Excuse the newb question...
If I get an HTC Desire locked to the 3 network, will rooting/new rom free me from the carrier's lock?
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No. You need a SIM code. Depending on laws in your country, you might get one free from that cell provider it's locked to. If not, they're always available for sale online, about $25 USD or so.

My 3 Desire wasn't locked. It was bought from a 3 Store.

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My 3 Desire wasn't locked. It was bought from a 3 Store.
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That's great news. Can anybody confirm that the 3/payg Desires are unlocked?
(TheOriginalKi, please forgive my asking this but I am having it sent abroad and need to be 200% certain before I fork out the cash - your logo here implies you are on the 3 network, so which other carrier did you try it on?)

My Desire from the merry Hill 3 store was also unlocked.
I went into Solihull originally and they told me that it might be locked or it might not be locked :S and there is no returns on the phone.
After phoning Merry Hill, where they had me an unlocked one reserved, I was told that they received a batch of unlocked ones and aren't sure if the next batch would be unlocked.
Not sure how much of that is true, but that's what I was told by the 3 staff. Mine works fine though , £350 too, great price.

can also confirm my desire from 3uk is unlocked

3 stated that becuase of high demand, they started shipping out unbranded and unlocked devices while they finished tweaking their custom, branded ROM. I've no idea if they've started shipping the ones with the 3 ROM yet.

WillyVWade said:
3 stated that becuase of high demand, they started shipping out unbranded and unlocked devices while they finished tweaking their custom, branded ROM. I've no idea if they've started shipping the ones with the 3 ROM yet.
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So I'm going to call the 3 shop ahead to make sure.
Is there a way for them to know the locked/unlocked status of a device without powering up (something on the packaging)? I can only assume the staff will be a bit clueless when i ask...
(Big thankyou to all who replied, btw)

Do they have a 3 logo on the back?
They might have 3 branded boxes, but I've never had a branded box with 3.
If they have them on display in store, it's a bad sign. IIRC, They were only sending out the generic devices over the phone and to web pre-orderers.

WillyVWade said:
Do they have a 3 logo on the back?
They might have 3 branded boxes, but I've never had a branded box with 3.
If they have them on display in store, it's a bad sign. IIRC, They were only sending out the generic devices over the phone and to web pre-orderers.
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They had a phone on display when I went in to the store and mine was a generic phone.
No idea if the 3 branded ones will have a 3 logo on the box, mine was a generic htc box though.

Psy-Blade said:
They had a phone on display when I went in to the store and mine was a generic phone.
No idea if the 3 branded ones will have a 3 logo on the box, mine was a generic htc box though.
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I went in to my local 3 store and asked if I could use one, they told me they wouldn't have any generic stock or display models.

eesmm said:
That's great news. Can anybody confirm that the 3/payg Desires are unlocked?
(TheOriginalKi, please forgive my asking this but I am having it sent abroad and need to be 200% certain before I fork out the cash - your logo here implies you are on the 3 network, so which other carrier did you try it on?)
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They handed me a HTC Desire in a HTC Desire box, no 3 branding of any kind, then they handed me a PAYG sim card pack. I'm actually using my 3 contract sim in the phone, but just to check I popped in my brothers o2 Sim and it turned on and displayed the o2 carrier logo. Do not let them know you are not planning to use it on their network or they will refuse to sell it on PAYG. Another thing, they also made me buy a £10 top-voucher, which I was able to sell to a 3 PAYG user.

That's great news. Can anybody confirm that the 3/payg Desires are unlocked
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Definately not locked as brought one on Friday on payg on 3, no branding at all and works on o2 (which is what I wanted it for).

I can confirm that as well, Got mine in leeds although with a contract, but popped my t-mob PAYG in and it worked fine

Mine was unlocked aswell, got it from the retention team, box had 3 sticker but phone had none. Tested with other sim and worked fine. This all might change when they get more out, and have time to brand it. Usually they would have the 3 on the phone. good luck

[Q] T-Mobile UK - Unbranded?

I'm thinking of getting the DHD, but before I do can others in the UK who have one on T-Mobile confirm that it's totally unbranded please?
Thanks!

Confirmed that it's totally unbranded.
However it would be useful for you be informed it's network locked.

Mines unbranded unlocked (sim free) although I had mine in the FIRST few days of release.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

I got mine a week ago and its unbranded, no sin to check network lock though
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

Get it from CPW ot P4U and it'll be unbranded. I believe, as has been said, all the early ones even from the operators are unbranded but no telling what will happen in the next few months.
Dave - unbranded Vodafone DHD from CPW
PS: the above applies to contract and SIM only. Not necessarily to PAYG (was in the shop today talking about a new phone for my old man...)

Mine was un branded but Sim locked

Ok, thanks for the replies. That's great.
Desire HD ordered How long did you guys have to wait for stock & delivery?

yep, mine was unbranded and unlocked from tmobile

I was told by T-Mob that I would have to wait till January for the DHD. On that basis I ordered from mobiles.co.uk instead and got the phone on next day delivery. However, looking on T-Mob site now it appears they have them back in stock.

Daz555 said:
I was told by T-Mob that I would have to wait till January for the DHD. On that basis I ordered from mobiles.co.uk instead and got the phone on next day delivery. However, looking on T-Mob site now it appears they have them back in stock.
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Yeah, I considered elsewhere but they (T-Mobile) did me a good deal as an upgrade. I wonder if they are saying they have them in stock on the T-Mobile site when they haven't or are giving them to new contracts only...

iridium21 said:
Ok, thanks for the replies. That's great.
Desire HD ordered How long did you guys have to wait for stock & delivery?
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Ordered on a Friday afternoon, got it on Monday the following week but that was before they were officially listed as available on the site. Make sure you take a look at the hardware issues like camera misalignment and small gaps between the battery cover. I'm waiting until about January before I send mine off for warranty repair over it since I figure they'll have more stock and I'll have to wait less time.

At risk of sounding like a noob, can I ask: doesn't unbranded mean the phone has no mention of the network at all?
If it does my t-mobile desire HD (ordered 1st december) certainly isn't unbranded, as it says t-mobile on booting and shutting down, and has a 'T-Mobile Recommends' app.
Not to mention the homepage on the internet browser was set to T-Mobile's mobile site when I got it.
Or does it just mean that T-Mobile isn't actually printed on the phone?

PeatCoal said:
At risk of sounding like a noob, can I ask: doesn't unbranded mean it has no mention of the network at all? If it does my t-mobile desire HD (ordered 1st december) certainly isn't unbranded, as it says t-mobile on booting and shutting down, and has a 'T-Mobile Recommends app, as well as the homepage on the internet browser being set to T-Mobile's mobile site when I got it.
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Ah, as far as I'm concerned, that's branded It doesn't actually say "T-Mobile" on the phone too, does it? That really would p**s me off!
I've never had a 'branded' phone before, so how does one go about repairs - can you send it straight to HTC or do you have to go through T-Mobile?
Oh, and any tips for flashing a stock ROM?

iridium21 said:
Ah, as far as I'm concerned, that's branded It doesn't actually say "T-Mobile" on the phone too, does it? That really would p**s me off!
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Haha, don't worry, its software only..
From what I can gather, maybe you can flash a custom ROM? The t-mobile apps can at least be deleted with titanium backup.

Dyonas said:
Ordered on a Friday afternoon, got it on Monday the following week but that was before they were officially listed as available on the site. Make sure you take a look at the hardware issues like camera misalignment and small gaps between the battery cover. I'm waiting until about January before I send mine off for warranty repair over it since I figure they'll have more stock and I'll have to wait less time.
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What exactly is the camera misalignment issue? My camera lens isn't centered, is this a problem, or is it normal? Haven't noticed any problems with it from actually using the camera..
As for the small gaps, if you're referring to the SIM cover, I never had a problem with it after reading this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=827091 before I got the HD.

Got my DHD today - unlocked & unbranded
I'm happy!

[Q] Which one to get? DHD on 3 network or Orange UK?

Hi,
I am just about to get a DHD but I have 2 Options of the Network either on 3 or Orange Uk, However I am on Tmobile UK but I ll be unlocking/debranding the phone for my own use.
I have come across a fried who got his from 3 UK and it came unlocked, so I am not sure if anyone else Knows if it comes unlock/unbranded etc..
Just need to know before deciding which one to go for.
Thanks in advance.

I am leaving orange to go to 3uk i have found the signel better than orange so far and lots cheaper, As for unlocked mine had no branding on it at all, after about a hour it was s-off ,sim unlocked etc.. with no problems at all.
I was with orange for over 10 years but what with there expansive talk plans , small internet useage etc.. i switched , But know i having problems get my number off them..

A work colleague got a DHD from 3 and it was branded, at least until I got him on the latest AR HD ROM and debranded it for him.
From stock you'll get branded splashscreen, bootanim and some 3 apps. The handset itself has no branding on it though. Dunno if it came locked as he got it on 3 to use it on 3 so I had no need to test.
Someone else at work had one on Orange and that has their logo on the rear casing. I'm not sure about software branding but I think it's safe to say it will knowing what Orange are like.

Thanks for the reply guys..

I have a HD on Orange and 2 of my friends.
There is no branding on the phone anywhere.
There is no branding on the ROM either.
It's about time Orange stop messing with ROMS.
Sent from my Lee DrOid Loaded Desire HD

Mine's on 3uk and was locked but is easy to unlock on here.

saayinla said:
Thanks for the reply guys..
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themonkster said:
I have a HD on Orange and 2 of my friends.
There is no branding on the phone anywhere.
There is no branding on the ROM either.
It's about time Orange stop messing with ROMS.
Sent from my Lee DrOid Loaded Desire HD
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Were they from from a reseller or Orange direct?
The guy here at work with the Orange branded DHD got his from Orange direct.
If you get them from Phones4U, Car Phone Ware House etc then most of the time it will be unlocked & unbranded as they just get one off the shelf and then give you a SIM card to suit the network you just signed up for.
Same with T-Mobile. I did my upgrade with them on the phone but they had no stock left so they said I could pick one up from a local CPW store, which I did. No branding for me

Wow!!
Think i got lucky with my DHD.
I got mine from a "three" store, It had the stock rom installed no "3" branding anywhere!
(was sim free too) ^_^

i got my dhd with orange online, the only branding on the device whas the orange boot animation, it also came with older software so it was easly rooted. another good thing about orange is the "your orange" app on the market, letting you view your current spendings, how many mins and data you have left and your current bill

I've been on Orange for years. The only problem I have is when I'm in a 2G area and a data connection is active - any incoming voicecalls go straight to voicemail. This is because Orange prioritize data over voice, and 2G can't handle both simultaneously. No problem on 3G. Vodaphone prioritize voice in these circumstances.
Anyway, at the end of my contract I said I want to go monthly SIM-only (having bought my dhd off contract and sold my Touch HD) . Orange offered me 300 any network minutes, unlimited landline, 1Gb data, 15 picture messages, and a Desire for £13 per month. I promptly bit their hand off. Now selling the Desire....
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

O2 uk and firmware updates

Why are o2 so bloody slow at releasing software updates? Lets face it what different from three UK or orange UK software? all o2 do is add there own apps.
Every phone I have had from o2 has been the same slow at updating. I didn't want to root this phone yet has I see no real reason, now am thinking I should just to get away from waiting for o2.

shankly1985 said:
Why are o2 so bloody slow at releasing software updates? Lets face it what different from three UK or orange UK software? all o2 do is add there own apps.
Every phone I have had from o2 has been the same slow at updating. I didn't want to root this phone yet has I see no real reason, now am thinking I should just to get away from waiting for o2.
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Yea I agree, I'm still on 1.26 so two updates have been released and we still haven't got any.
I don't want to root mine yet either if at all, having said that I don't have any major issues, music skips frequently which is an annoyance so it would be good to get the update for that because it apparently fixes that.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

This was my primary reason for no longer going to o2 for upgrades. My previous two phones have been from CPW and my HOX was from Phones4U - the reason being that they both supply unbranded phones on identical tariffs to those from o2. Lesson learnt from my Symbian days - waiting forever for branded updates.

I got fed up waiting and installed ARHD. I had a SGS 2 before and o2 were one of the first to update to ics but they are letting everyone down this time
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

Also I read rooting it will not update things like the radio? Or at least what I have read....
Anyway am on Three and only updated to 1.28 this morning, but yes now stuck with an older firmware until they bring out 1.29......

I totally agree, O2 completely suck with these updates. HTC are releasing updates to help people resolve issues they are having with the device, but it seems O2 couldn't care less if people are having the problems or not.
I previously got my phones from Carphone Warehouse but on this occasion I went to O2 because the contracts at Carphone were more expensive. However, a week after getting my phone Carphone emailed me saying that I could get an upgrade and their tariffs would not be beaten by carriers and they would match them. Unfortunatley I was on holiday at the time so I couldn't return my phone to O2 and go to Carphone.
O2 really need to pull their fingers out and give a **** about their customers.

Just got of the phone with O2 and happened to get through to someone who has same device. He said O2 do have the update and are looking at rolling it out first Q this month. He said we should have it by 14th.

Thanks for the info. Hope you are right.
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

Lets get o2 on @BBCWatchdog
No harm in trying everthing else fails
Lets get o2 on @BBCWatchdog here is my tweet best i could think off please feel free to add ur own #O2 is holding back vital updates 4 #HTCONEX other networks have released them as they are bug updates for battery improvements

Well this is weird! I got the 28 update pretty much as soon as it was available. and I expect the same to happend with 29 when it is available in UK. I am on O2 contract

technostein said:
Well this is weird! I got the 28 update pretty much as soon as it was available. and I expect the same to happend with 29 when it is available in UK. I am on O2 contract
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am still on 1.26 did u get urs directly from o2

technostein said:
Well this is weird! I got the 28 update pretty much as soon as it was available. and I expect the same to happend with 29 when it is available in UK. I am on O2 contract
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Is your phone branded to o2? can you use any sim you want? or is this o2 only? Seems you have a un-branded phone and using o2 sim only

shankly1985 said:
Is your phone branded to o2? can you use any sim you want? or is this o2 only? Seems you have a un-branded phone and using o2 sim only
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I have no idea. I ordered it offline pre ordered from phones 4 u?? If it's still weird I will try another sim card?

technostein said:
I have no idea. I ordered it offline pre ordered from phones 4 u?? If it's still weird I will try another sim card?
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Yer am almost 100% your phone is un-branded and you can use any sim.

I am hoping that it's gonna be 1.29 we will recieve. Some even talk about 1.30 coming in a couple of days.
It is really annoying to be stuck on 1.26.
Wish I ordered my phone from phones4u.
I didn't expect this and the ugly laggy boot animation I got. Why is this god for them?
At least customer service was nice enough to make it simfree for free. Other than tha, shame on you o2.
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

Any news anyone? Ahahahahaha o2 are ****in ****
Sent from my HTC One X

Kickasskev said:
Any news anyone? Ahahahahaha o2 are ****in ****
Sent from my HTC One X
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No update yet. I think it could just be that O2 are more cautious. v1.28 didn't fix some of the faults reported, and if they knew of 1.29 or even 1.30 the sensible thing to do would be to wait to reduce the number of updates.
The average user gets fed up of updates quickly, and I know some people that don't bother because of it.
You won't get to speak to anyone at O2 that knows what's going on - the engineers etc are separate from customer services (who know nothing, despite what they might think). It's best to just wait.

I take it there is no ruu we can use instead?

technostein said:
Well this is weird! I got the 28 update pretty much as soon as it was available. and I expect the same to happend with 29 when it is available in UK. I am on O2 contract
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Same here I got the .28 update right away ! o2 UK contract Although I did get my phone from Phones 4 u

det66 said:
Same here I got the .28 update right away ! o2 UK contract Although I did get my phone from Phones 4 u
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As has been stated - phones from Phones4U are not O2 branded. That is why you get the update.