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MIX starts today. Can't wait until we find out new information about WP7! Here's a few sessions about it and what time they start (Las Vegas Time Zone).
Live Streaming Available at http://live.visitmix.com/
DOCUMENTS AND DOWNLOADS
Windows Phone 7 Series Development Tools
Supported Media Codecs
Windows Phone 7 Series UI Design and Interaction Guide
NEWS
Day 3
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series gaming, all up in the club (video!)
PocketNow - Windows Phone 7 Series Has Copy & Paste?
ArkTronic(Live Blog) - MIX10: Windows Phone 7 Series Architecture Deep Dive
Engadget - Windows Phone Marketplace can remotely revoke app licenses
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series preview, MIX10 edition
PocketNow - Strange: Windows Phone 7 Series Multitasking in Emulator
Engadget - Yes, Windows Phone 7 Series can make a phone call
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series will have themes... sort of
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series device from Samsung is just a hacked i8910 HD
PocketNow - MIX10: Microsoft Cuts Copy & Paste Feature From Windows Phone 7 Series
PocketNow - MIX10: No User-Replaceable Memory on Windows Phone 7
PocketNow - MIX10: Windows Phone 7 Series Apps Will Use New, Different DRM
PocketNow - MIX10: Two Ways to Purchase Apps, Games, Music, and Videos on Windows Phone 7 Series
PocketNow - Windows Phone 7 Series Will Not Have a File Manager Nor USB Mass Storage Mode
PocktNow - MIX10: The Many Ways to Synchronize Windows Phone 7 Series
Day 2
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
PocketNow - MIX10: To the Market! There Will be a Transparent App Approval Process
PocketNow - MIX10: Sideloading Apps is Possible on Windows Phone 7 Series!
PocketNow - MIX10: Multitask Your Way to Success on Windows Phone 7--Sort Of.
PocketNow - Dell Listed As Partner for Windows Phone 7 Series
Day 1
Gizmodo - Windows Phone 7's Impossible App Mission
Engadget - Olé, Contoso: Windows Phone Marketplace will integrate carrier-branded stores
Engadget - Three Windows Phone 7 Series devices, all in a row
Engadget - Microsoft confirms accuracy of old, pre-'reboot' Windows Mobile 7 leaks
PocketNow - Talk Back: Windows Phone 7 Tight Hardware Control a Successful Business Strategy or Just a Commoditization of the Hardware Space
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series targeted at 38 year-old 'life maximizers'
PCMAG - Win Phone 7 Ditches Multitasking, Memory Cards
PocketNow - MIX: Microsoft: No Windows Phone 7 Upgrade for HTC HD2
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series will be WVGA only at launch, HVGA later
PocketNow - First Look: Internet Explorer on Windows Phone 7 Series
Gizmodo - Surprise: Windows Phone 7 Has Native DivX Support
Engadget - Samsung Windows Phone 7 Series handset makes the scene
Ganondolf - Official Hardware Spec Requirements Screen Shot
Engadget - Confirmed: Marketplace will be the only way to get apps on Windows Phone 7 Series
Pocketnow - MIX10: Marketplace Trial Function is Awesome
Engadget - Microsoft tells its Windows Phone 7 Series developer story
Engadget - Microsoft announces Windows Phone 7 Series dev partners: Sling, Pandora, Foursquare and more
Engadget - Windows Phone Marketplace for Windows Phone 7 Series unveiled
Engadget - Microsoft demos third-party apps for Windows Phone 7 Series: Silverlight, extensions, and true Xbox gaming (video!)
Engadget - Netflix announced for Windows Phone 7 Series
Engadget - Microsoft demos push notifications on Windows Phone 7 Series
Overview of the Windows Phone 7 Series Application Platform
Charlie Kindel in Mandalay Ballroom A on Monday at 2:00 PM
The new Windows Phone is coming! Get a high-level overview of the new application platform and a complete picture of the developer story. Learn about the developer tools, the application frameworks, the support for Silverlight, and the support for XNA.
Tags: Mobile, Silverlight, Windows Phone, XNA
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Windows Phone UI and Design Language
Chad Roberts, Michael Smuga, Albert Shum in Mandalay Ballroom A on Monday at 3:30 PM
Windows Phone constitutes a dramatic new user experience paradigm. This session will provide prescriptive guidance, tips, and techniques on how designers & developers can build beautiful, compelling user experiences that are consistent with the built-in Windows Phone 7 Series experiences.
Tags: Mobile, Windows Phone
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Unit Testing Silverlight and Windows Phone Applications
Jeff Wilcox in Lagoon B on Tuesday at 2:05 PM
Learn how to create and maintain Silverlight and Windows Phone Series applications using the Silverlight Unit Test Framework. See what tools are available to easily validate controls and application interfaces and gain a solid understanding of test principles to deliver great experiences for your clients and customers.
Tags: Silverlight, Windows Phone
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Building Windows Phone Applications with Silverlight, Part 1
Mike Harsh in Mandalay Ballroom A on Tuesday at 1:30 PM
Together with part 2, these sessions give an overview of the functionality for Silverlight applications that is unique to the Windows Phone application platform. Part 1 will cover new input paradigms including multi-touch, software keyboard, accelerometer and microphone, as well as the APIs to leverage phone applications like email, phone dialer, contact list and more.
Tags: Mobile, Silverlight, Windows Phone
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Building Windows Phone Applications with Silverlight, Part 2
Peter Torr in Mandalay Ballroom A on Tuesday at 3:00 PM
Together with part 1, these sessions give an overview of the functionality for Silverlight applications that is unique to the Windows Phone application platform. Part 2 will cover the new application model, updated control templates, themes, and services available to applications, including new Windows Phone web services.
Tags: Mobile, Silverlight, Windows Phone
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Development and Debugging Tools for Building XNA Games for Windows Phone
Cullen Waters in Lagoon B on Tuesday at 4:30 PM
This session covers tools available to the developer for building XNA games including debugging, emulation, and performance. Special emphasis is placed on best practices for managed code performance and .NET profiling tools you can use to optimize your games for windows phone.
Tags: Mobile, Windows Phone, XNA
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Silverlight Performance on Windows Phone
Seema Ramchandani in Mandalay Ballroom A on Tuesday at 4:30 PM
Learn how to optimize your Silverlight code for Windows Phone. This session will discuss common bottlenecks using the graphics and managed stacks, and will highlight how to optimize startup and reaction time.
Tags: Mobile, Silverlight, Windows Phone
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Windows Phone Application Platform Architecture
Istvan Cseri in Mandalay Ballroom A on Wednesday at 9:00 AM
Windows Phone 7 Series represents a significant change from the past. The entire stack, starting with the operating system, user experience, and the application platform have been engineered to build a new class of phone that users will just love. This session will go under the covers and describe how to think about applications and games from the perspective of user experience, security, packaging, cloud services and performance. Details on the new application model, device capabilities, location, sensors, and other platform capabilities will be covered.
Tags: Mobile, Windows Phone
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Distributing and Monetizing Windows Phone Applications and Games
John Bruno, Todd Biggs in Mandalay Ballroom A on Wednesday at 10:30 AM
Windows Phone Marketplace will revolutionize distribution of Windows Phone applications, games, and content, and is designed to solve the two largest problems of the Windows Phone consumer-focused developer community: distribution and monetization. This session will provide application developers with the insights, tools, and processes necessary to begin distributing and monetizing their applications on the Windows Phone platform.
Tags: Mobile, Windows Phone
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Building Windows Phone Games
Michael Klucher in Mandalay Ballroom A on Wednesday at 12:00 PM
With the release of Windows Phone, game developers will be able to create amazing content rapidly through the power of Silverlight and the XNA framework. This talk will outline the basic application model of Windows Phone, enumerate Windows Phone core device characteristics, and walk through highlights of Silverlight and XNA Frameworks on the phone.
Tags: Mobile, Silverlight, Windows Phone, XNA
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Building a High Performance 3D Game for Windows Phone
Shawn Hargreaves, Tomas Vykruta in Mandalay Ballroom A on Wednesday at 1:30 PM
This session will detail how to use XNA to develop 3D games for Windows Phone, with a special eye towards the special characteristics of Windows Phone application platform. Special attention will be placed on optimizing high-performance managed code games for the platform, to help you squeeze out every last drop of performance.
Tags: Mobile, Windows Phone, XNA
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There's the schedule for everything specifically about WP7. Please be on the look out for new information when it's released and post it in the thread so we can keep it all in one place!
Can't wait
I just bought some peanuts and snacks, a bottle of beer and soda (Fanta Pomegranate).
Ready to enjoy my evening, streaming MIX10 live.
If I am not mistaken:
11:00 AM Las Vegas = 18:00 UK = 19:00 Germany
They need to make a dedicated silverlight/xna section of the forum
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They need to make a dedicated silverlight/xna section of the forum
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I'm sure they will if game creation becomes big on WP7.
I'm here, and to say the least, the atmosphere is amazing. There is so much anticipation/alcohol/gambling (already lost $400) truly surreal feeling.
Kick off is in a few hours..I'm heading out to buy a camera before I go completely broke...lol
~style1~
Anyone else think that this thread should be stickied as most of the other ones are based on mere speculation? Would be great for those who come here seeking actual facts about WP7.
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Can't wait
I just bought some peanuts and snacks, a bottle of beer and soda (Fanta Pomegranate).
Ready to enjoy my evening, streaming MIX10 live.
If I am not mistaken:
11:00 AM Las Vegas = 18:00 UK = 19:00 Germany
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Las Vegas: GMT -7.
what site are the streams(if any) going to be available ?
Damn you style1 I am so jealous ...
Buy good camera and make some photos, upload it here (on your first post in this thread of course)!
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I'm here, and to say the least, the atmosphere is amazing. There is so much anticipation/alcohol/gambling (already lost $400) truly surreal feeling.
Kick off is in a few hours..I'm heading out to buy a camera before I go completely broke...lol
~style1~
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what site are the streams(if any) going to be available ?
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http://live.visitmix.com/
If I am not mistaken, it would be here:
http://live.visitmix.com/
souljaboy said:
what site are the streams(if any) going to be available ?
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If I am not mistaken, it would be here:
http://live.visitmix.com/
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Added the link to my first post.
thanks but i only see a shadow placing things on a table
what about hardware requirements
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what about hardware requirements
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Maybe they will reveal that in the first session or perhaps Windows Phone Application Platform Architecture session?
talking to the guys from SPB, looks like they have somethings they may or may not show today. Those guys
style1 said:
talking to the guys from SPB, looks like they have something things they may or may not show today. Those guys
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Great, hopefully they show whatever it is off!
the news and screenshots coming out of mx10 have really impressed me thus far. cant wait to see what else we learn about wp7s
WTF...
They are showing off Shazam...that is like eons old.
and the scroll list is still very laggy.
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WTF...
They are showing off Shazam...that is like eons old.
and the scroll list is still very laggy.
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Looked better in person, I want to note as well that their third party apps pause in the back ground and are not actually closing. Which could be considered multitasking. Mainly because they can be fully integrated into the the experience. IE, netflix was added to the zune experience even though its a 3rd party app. As such it paused in the background when not in use...but it can be hot swapped to
On July 15, 2011 Microsoft will no longer accept new Windows Mobile 6.x applications or application updates. In addition it will no longer be possible to modify prices, metadata or other information. You will be able to remove apps by contacting support.
Windows Mobile apps will be available for download/purchase after July 15th as will reporting and payouts.
What ???
It's very very very bad :\
But i don't understand a thing, microsoft want to devellop Windows Embedded Handeld (wm6.5.3), so, if they stop the Marketplace, will be there a replacement ??
And what about microsoft myPhone ? I love this service, and i hope that we could continu to use it !!
I hope news about the Microsoft team !
Here is the email I got:
May 16, 2011
Dear Windows Marketplace for Mobile Developer,
We are excited about the momentum we have with Windows Phone. Since we launched Windows Phone last fall, technical reviews have been very positive and, most importantly, customer satisfaction has been extremely high. Moreover, our Windows Phone Marketplace continues to grow at a fast pace. It now features more than 15,000 apps and games and there are over 40,000 registered developers.
At MIX we announced that in May we will release the beta version of the Windows Phone Developer Tools for the next version of Windows Phone, code-named "Mango," which we are still on track to do. The Mango release will be made available to users later this year, and it represents the next step in our continued focus on advancing the Windows Phone platform and expanding the opportunity for developers.
To innovate faster on the Windows Phone Marketplace, we are scaling back our investments in the Windows Marketplace for Mobile service. We are sharing this plan with you, in advance, so that you can make thoughtful plans and preparations.
• App Submission and Management. On July 15, 2011, we will no longer be accepting new Windows Mobile 6.x applications or application updates. In addition, it will no longer be possible to modify prices, metadata, or other information. However, you will still be able to remove your apps by contacting support.
• App Distribution. Even though app submission will stop on July 15, users will still be able to purchase and download your Windows Mobile 6.x applications through the Windows Marketplace for Mobile.
• App Reporting. Sales and download reports will continue to be available for your Windows Mobile 6.x applications through the App Hub after July 15.
• Developer Payouts. Developer payouts will continue to be processed in accordance with the provisions of the Windows Phone Marketplace Application Provider Agreement.
Additional information regarding the scaling back of our investment in the Windows Marketplace for Mobile will be shared over the coming months as plans become finalized.
We would like to thank you for being part of our Windows Marketplace for Mobile developer community, and we look forward to helping you build more Windows Phone applications.
For more information, please visit the App Hub Forum. For further assistance, please contact support directly.
Thank you for your support,
The Windows Phone Marketplace Team
WTF????
what about us?!?!?!?
I (we) prefer still with WM 6.5 why they do this to us?
where can I send my bad opinion about it?
thanks!
Bad News
This is really a bad news . May be MS want all users to move to /develop for Win Phone 7... but what abt the existing users who are still staying with 6.5.x
I hope My Phone server will remain active as that is a part of their service.
Yes !! My Phone is very very useful !!!
And what about the futur of Windows Embedded Handeld??
Sorry to be late posting this but it contains information about the shutdown of 'My Phone' and the Windows Mobile App Store on the Web:
Shut-down of Windows Marketplace for Mobile Web Site and My Phone Service Notification
June 8, 2011
Dear Windows Mobile 6.x customer:
Microsoft will be discontinuing the My Phone service for Windows Mobile 6.x. We will also be discontinuing the Windows Marketplace for Mobile web site. Because you may be affected, please review the details below:
Windows Marketplace for Mobile Web Site To Be Discontinued
The Windows Marketplace for Mobile web site at http://marketplace.windowsphone.com will no longer be available starting on July 15, 2011. After July 15, 2011, you will no longer be able to browse, buy or download applications for Windows Mobile 6.x phones via the Windows Marketplace for Mobile web site.
The Windows Marketplace for Mobile service will continue to be available on your phone, however. You will continue to be able to browse, buy and download applications for Windows Mobile 6.x on your phone.
My Phone To Be Discontinued
On August 7, 2011, the My Phone service will stop saving content from phones to the My Phone service. If you rely on the My Phone service to back-up the content on your Windows Mobile 6.x phone, you will be affected.
Starting on August 7, 2011, Microsoft will begin moving your My Phone content to Windows Live SkyDrive. SkyDrive is Microsoft's free online storage service that helps you access and share your files such as photos and Microsoft Office documents. Contacts, calendar entries, text messages and photos will be moved to SkyDrive for you. Once moved, you will be able to access this content by logging into SkyDrive using the Windows Live ID that you used to register for the My Phone service.
Other content types, including videos, music, documents and favorites will not be moved from My Phone to SkyDrive for you. If you want this content, you must save it from the My Phone service to your local PC.
On October 6, 2011, the My Phone web site at http://www.microsoft.com/myphone will no longer be available. On this date, you will no longer be able to log in to the My Phone service to access your content stored to the My Phone service. Microsoft will continue to store your My Phone content for one (1) year. Physical copies of your content can be shipped to you upon request until October 5, 2012.
Take Action
To learn more about the My Phone service shut-down, including information about your content moving to Windows Live SkyDrive and how to save other content to your local PC, please visit this web site:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2557520
Microsoft is committed to making this transition easy. In the meantime, we want to sincerely thank you for your use of Windows Mobile 6.x.
-The Windows Phone Team
I think this just made the transition to Android a little easier and moved up my date also.
Microsoft thus so far have been focused on integrating personal computing (windows live, Facebook, Office, Zune) into there mobile devices whilst placing little focus on integrating WP7 or WM into there operating system. I assume Windows 8 will cater more to WP integration then windows 7 does but in a world fierce competition Microsoft should be looking to differentiate from the competition, adding value to the windows phone experience.
When i talk about integration with the windows operating system i am thinking along the lines of a windows VNC type application allowing control of numerous windows 7 functions from a WP7 device natively. Another idea is receiving text messages, calls and notifications on a Windows 7 device when connected to the same LAN with the appropriate software and being able to respond to these messages. Another obvious example is being able to control zune from your WP7 device allowing you to control volume and change songs. Control windows media center recording show is another example.
anyway i apologise for my rant its late and i was just thinking to my self, if you guys have any thoughts i would love to hear them.
Yes
Microsoft have already advertised for a developer(s) to do this for WP8 and (we assume) Windows 8. There was an article about it on pocketnow.com which you can probably find.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
To the OP, yes I think it's where it's all going as well. I would love to see this "ecosystem" in 5 years, see what it looks like.
I really hope in the very near future that DLNA is improved by leaps and bounds. That's the start right there. I've got the Play-To on my phone, but officially it's "tied to Windows 7", so it can't link up to my blu-ray player, or my... xbox 360. Which doesn't make sense. It's the same company, you think that'd be a main selling feature.
I would absolutely love to see text message alerts through my operating system. I have always wished that either Zune or iTunes did this, but unfortunately they don't. +1 for this.
Windows 7 is already in it's final phase and if they're going to do integration, they're going to want to do Deep integration which would take a lot of time and edits to underlying code. There's just no point, Windows 8 will be out soon and it makes much more sense to just launch it with that.
Otherwise we'll get Windows 7 integration now and Windows 8 Integration months into its lifespan.
I heard that Microsoft is currently sponsoring a contest for developers called the "Go Mango Apportunity Contest".
Every time you publish an app between now and December 31, 2011, you get an entry to win one of five Samsung slate tablet pcs. In addition, each time you publish 5 apps during this time period, you also get an entry to win free advertising for one app you made of your choice. The free advertising will run on the Windows Phone Application Network for about 60 days and include 25K impressions.
New developers to Windows Phone are especially welcome. If you're new to developing for Windows Phone or new to developing (programs for mobile operating systems) in general, I see this a great opportunity to get your program (idea) out there and get some recognition for it. If you've developed for Android or iOS, I found a "translation guide" that gives you the Windows Phone equivalent for the Android or iOS programming concept. The url for it is http://windowsphone.interoperabilitybridges.com/porting. If you don't have the new Mango SDK yet (or are working with an earlier version of the Windows Phone SDK, you can find it at http://bit.ly/GoMango.
More details and the code (and url) needed for entry (it's totally free to enter) can be be found at http://bit.ly/rEB5PY
Edit: If you can't get to the site, the code needed to enter is: E8YRA
Update (11-25-11): If you are using Azure in your Windows Phone app that you publish, not only do you get the 1 normal entry into the Apportunity contest, but you also get 1 extra entry as well just for using Azure in your Windows Program app.
Also, for students, for every 3 apps you publish into the contest, you can get a free phone running Windows Phone.
More details can be found here: http://bit.ly/uqdKLe
Microsoft, why do you care so much that we're running desktop applications on our Surfaces? It's clear that you put a ton of effort into RT 8.1's lockdown.
We're running desktop applications because we like your device. We're giving your device added value. People have been avoiding Surface RT because it can't run most programs they love, and we're trying to alleviate that.
I know that you're reading this forum, and that this will all on deaf ears. But I have to try.
Help over here too. If we get a lot of people to rant. They would have to listen..
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...ommunity/4c6c2e37-fdca-496f-a40a-158062b533da
Making my paragraph lol.
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A lot of people dont understand the finality of Windows RT.
RT is jusy like Android or iOS, a tablet OS not a desktop OS. For x86 applications, use a W8 tablet with x86 architecture.
Personnaly on my PC i use a lot the desktop, on my Surface i only use ModernUI, it's made for, fast and clean.
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A lot of people dont understand the finality of Windows RT.
RT is jusy like Android or iOS, a tablet OS not a desktop OS. For x86 applications, use a W8 tablet with x86 architecture.
Personnaly on my PC i use a lot the desktop, on my Surface i only use ModernUI, it's made for, fast and clean.
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RT is far closer to Windows 8 than to Android or iOS. Android and iOS don't have huge chunks of API and features that are flat out locked out seemingly for product tier purposes.
Comparing RT and iOS/Android is comparing apples and oranges, it just doesn't work.
Possibly even more to the point, Android - notably, the most successful mobile OS on the planet, by a long shot - not only supports arbitrary code and (frequently) rooting, custom OSes, etc, it also supports doing things like chrooting to a (more traditional) Linux environment.
Microsoft has managed to create something that is most of a desktop OS, and yet is arguably *more* locked down than the most popular mobile OS. I do not understand why they would have chosen to do this, or why, after we managed to defeat much of the lockdown, they decided it was worth developer and tester time to re-instate it...
EDIT: Hell, this is an opportunity for Microsoft to achive some positive market differentiation with regard to Apple. Apple is constantly re-locking iOS, breaking jailbreaks as fast as they can. Microsoft is in a great position here to say "while we lock the OS down by default on RT to ensure the best possible security and user experience, we also welcome the tinkerers who are enthusiastic about the Windows platform and desire a deeper level of access." or something similar. Position themselves, and Windows RT, as the OS option that won't turn around and bite its most enthusiastic fans on the ass.
#SurfaceHasNoPurpose
Unlock the Surface!
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#SurfaceHasNoPurpose
Unlock the Surface!
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don't you mean unlock windows RT? There are more RT devices than just the surface RT and there are 2 surfaces of which only 1 is locked...
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don't you mean unlock windows RT? There are more RT devices than just the surface RT and there are 2 surfaces of which only 1 is locked...
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Ehh. Yeah lol
Caramel said:
A lot of people dont understand the finality of Windows RT.
RT is jusy like Android or iOS, a tablet OS not a desktop OS. For x86 applications, use a W8 tablet with x86 architecture.
Personnaly on my PC i use a lot the desktop, on my Surface i only use ModernUI, it's made for, fast and clean.
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Yes.. 100% correct. I wouldn't say MS "locked out" anything from RT.. They just didn't port it. And with good reason.. RT has a targeted set of use cases so it doesnt make much sense for them to port over things that a fraction of the RT audience would use. Full "thick" apps are legacy and I feel like the desktop will be gone once its legacy requirements are for certain apps. Remember, RT isn't just a recompile of windows for ARM.. It was an entire kernel level and up overhaul from win32 that they made to look like traditional win8. Sure, some code/runtime libraries may have been ported over but certain components (e.g. domain support/netlogon) probably have deep ties into the kernel and other parts of the OS that just didn't make sense to support, so greying out a button in the UI was a quick fix.
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Yes.. 100% correct. I wouldn't say MS "locked out" anything from RT.. They just didn't port it. And with good reason.. RT has a targeted set of use cases so it doesnt make much sense for them to port over things that a fraction of the RT audience would use. Full "thick" apps are legacy and I feel like the desktop will be gone once its legacy requirements are for certain apps. Remember, RT isn't just a recompile of windows for ARM.. It was an entire kernel level and up overhaul from win32 that they made to look like traditional win8. Sure, some code/runtime libraries may have been ported over but certain components (e.g. domain support/netlogon) probably have deep ties into the kernel and other parts of the OS that just didn't make sense to support, so greying out a button in the UI was a quick fix.
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RT is essentially a direct port of Windows 8. The only notable thing it doesn't have is full DirectX or OpenGL. It's not an overhaul, it is quite literally just a recompile targeting ARM.
The reason it doesn't have domain support is because it's running at the level of a home basic copy. There are hacks to get the tablet to join a domain, and they've been discussed here (in fact, I believe that mamaich was the one to get them to work originally)
Don't spout a bunch of crap unless you actually know what you're talking about.
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Microsoft, why do you care so much that we're running desktop applications on our Surfaces? It's clear that you put a ton of effort into RT 8.1's lockdown.
We're running desktop applications because we like your device. We're giving your device added value. People have been avoiding Surface RT because it can't run most programs they love, and we're trying to alleviate that.
I know that you're reading this forum, and that this will all on deaf ears. But I have to try.
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When it comes to pure productivity, Desktop is better than Modern-UI, because it's apps are suited for precision input devices. That's why Photoshop works so well on Surface Pro and Office 2013 works well on our Surface RTs- when it comes to work, we use our cover keyboards and toucpads/mice and get the job done. I do think that there should be some more openness about the RT Desktop so that users could install simple Desktop tools to accompany this productive side of Windows 8 - the Desktop, like WinRAR (I don't like being taken to touch friendly UI when I work with files, and I prefer drag & drop while doing so anyway) and, perhaps, something like Photoshop Elements. Of course, Desktop app selection could be limited to what Ms approves via Store, but I just think that Desktop is not a thing to be gotten rid of, like some of you would prefer. I think it is to be embraced as an environment of sit-down productivity, and allowing some baby apps to run on our RTs would only be a good thing.
Desktop computer "sit-down productivity" professionals, on the other hand, should have an option of classic Start menu available, but that's a different topic.
I truly don't understand the obsession with "classic Start menu" - from a productivity standpoint, the 8.1 Start screen is just as good as the Win7 Start menu; you hit the Windows button, type a few letters, and hit Enter (8.0 isn't *quite* as good because results are segregated into "Apps" and "Settings" and it takes a lot of extra keystrokes to move between them). With that said, you'll note that one of the desktop apps for RT 8.0 is the open-source ClassicStartMenu...
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Microsoft, why do you care so much that we're running desktop applications on our Surfaces? It's clear that you put a ton of effort into RT 8.1's lockdown.
We're running desktop applications because we like your device. We're giving your device added value. People have been avoiding Surface RT because it can't run most programs they love, and we're trying to alleviate that.
I know that you're reading this forum, and that this will all on deaf ears. But I have to try.
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I don't want Microsoft to "leave the RT hacking community alone." I want them to openly support it. I want Microsoft to open up the ARM desktop to third party apps, including unsigned user generated content.
Let's face it: RT has barely made a dent in the market place and what enthusiasm third party hardware manufacturers may have had for the platform is quickly drying up. The Windows Store is a barren wasteland compared to the Apple App market or the Google Play store. Open up the desktop to developers and you'll see a bunch of popular and niche, open source projects ported to the platform. It would add tremendous value to the ARM architecture.
I recently got an RT tablet very cheaply thanks to a hookup who attended a Microsoft conference. It was my first real experience with Windows 8 and I found that it exceeded all my expectations except for two areas: a lack of Metro apps, and the inability to install third party desktop apps.
Having a machine with a fully functional desktop environment but not being able to install additional desktop applications is a bit like being allowed to chew your food but not swallow it.
I do hope someone from Microsoft is listening, and pays heed, because for me, at least, my Surface RT will likely be my last RT device if the desktop remains locked down.
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I don't want Microsoft to "leave the RT hacking community alone." I want them to openly support it. I want Microsoft to open up the ARM desktop to third party apps, including unsigned user generated content.
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This would also be an acceptable solution =) They could add a BIOS option to change the Secure Boot policy GUID, with appropriate visible warnings about how the ability to run non-Windows Store applications also potentially opens up your system to malware.
Their current policy is very much, "oh this nice Windows 8 desktop environment... that's just for us, sorry".
If they'd allow desktop applications on the Windows Store, that'd also be nice.