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question about the new OTA update

Ok, I'm probably going to get flamed for this but...
I've been keeping up with the thread joeykrim started about how to gain root with the new v1.47.651.1 update. Then I saw the newest thread where they've been able to do it. Yet I've seen a bunch of v1.47.651.1 rooted downloads in the dev subthread, and a week ago or so, I had downloaded the rooted deodexed 1.47 rom, with the new radio, with the plan to flash it over. I was hesitant because I knew people were having problems with the new update. So for now I have Fresh's rom (which btw is awesome).
So I've finally put 2 and 2 together, and this is what I've discovered... Is the new update ITSELF, just the actual FILE, able to be rooted? aka, the update was downloaded to a computer, hacked, and then able to be flashed to a phone with no problems? And that would mean the only problems are for people who applied the OTA update or bought a new evo that already had the 1.47 update, correct?
sorry to be an idiot!

Correct .
Well, wait.lol the Rom you downloaded is basically an stock Rom with update, an entire image that will replace what you have. It is just rooted already.
But you are correct that it is only people who took the ota update or bought a new phone and the salesperson did the upgrade who must use the new method to root.
At least you posted in the right forum so you better not get flamed lol

elegantai said:
Correct .
Well, wait.lol the Rom you downloaded is basically an stock Rom with update, an entire image that will replace what you have. It is just rooted already.
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ok, thanks!
yeah I just have the stock rooted 1.47 rom. I think I'll wait until some dev's get their hands on it and see what they release, before i flash it.

I am running my own variation of the deodex 1.47 that calkuin (sorry for the spelling if its wrong.) So its good to go. But I think there are a few that already have it incorporated such as damage control.

i think i also have that caulkin 1.47 version. do you like it? what kind of things do you like about it over the 1.32.651.6 version?

I just used it as a starting point for my Rom. I just wanted the update so i can actually logon to my WiFi router. The image you have is the stock image, so it still has all the Sprint apps on it and stuff.

Regarding OTA Updates...

I'm new to rooting but I rooted my EVO in June via a link posted of HTCEVOHACKS.COM and I continue to get a message to do the OTA updates. When I try to click yes it downloads but the files are then corrupted and when they try to install the phone shows a picture of the EVO and a red question mark, then it shuts off. Am I not able to get OTA updates with the EVO rooted? Since it is a new phone I would like to get some updates when glitches are found. I also want to get the FROYO update on Tuesday when Sprint releases it. Any help on how to continue to stay rooted and get updates or how to get FROYO when released by my carrier would be awesome. Again, I'm now to this so if this process could be explained in simple terms, that would help too.

Go to the dev section and download the rooted Froyo update, flash it just like any custom rom. Read in the OP it will tell you what to do and what order to do it in, presto you have all updates and still have root.

Thanks. I'm going to try that now. I guess I didn't realize that you couldn't get OTA updates after you rooted your phone.

cja1984 said:
Thanks. I'm going to try that now. I guess I didn't realize that you couldn't get OTA updates after you rooted your phone.
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You NEVER want to take an OTA after you root your phone. Most Roms will block them out now. Why you ask? because it will unroot you and then you have to wait and see when/if will be rootable with the new patch which can take a while.
So always check for updates int he dev pages for roms using the new patches when they come out, never take an OTA if you are asked, and enjoy your root

cja1984 said:
I'm new to rooting but I rooted my EVO in June via a link posted of HTCEVOHACKS.COM and I continue to get a message to do the OTA updates. When I try to click yes it downloads but the files are then corrupted and when they try to install the phone shows a picture of the EVO and a red question mark, then it shuts off. Am I not able to get OTA updates with the EVO rooted? Since it is a new phone I would like to get some updates when glitches are found. I also want to get the FROYO update on Tuesday when Sprint releases it. Any help on how to continue to stay rooted and get updates or how to get FROYO when released by my carrier would be awesome. Again, I'm now to this so if this process could be explained in simple terms, that would help too.
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Just in case you have come trouble finding it Ill paste the link.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=740520

You definitely dodged a bullet with this one. If the OTA would have worked, you would have lost root and been stuck unless/until somebody figured out a way to root Froyo. Consider yourself lucky.

[Q] I'm rooted and I still don't have the 2.2 do I have to unroot?

I have a rooted HTC evo I still haven't gotten the update do I have to unroot to be able to download 2.2(froyo). I just want the update what do I have to do?

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A9AI5RM9
Thats the RUU, apply this update and you'll be completely stock 2.2

what do you mean apply I've downloaded this before I can't find the file to download and when I try to open it it says it doesn't have a program to open.

If you are rooted Most Roms will not allow an OTA to come through.
you have options the option listed above will unroot you and install 2.2.
the other option is to go to the dev forum and download a 2.2 custom rom or the rooted 2.2 stock rom. flash those and you are good to go.
I will remind that currently there is no way to root 2.2 so if you choose to go through the RUU and go to stock rom that way you will NOT be able to root at this time. It could also be WEEKS before a root method is found. I dont know why anyone would want to or would suggest doing this unless you plan to take it in to sprint for repair.

How do I apply the first file?

kidcjay25 said:
I have a rooted HTC evo I still haven't gotten the update do I have to unroot to be able to download 2.2(froyo). I just want the update what do I have to do?
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No you do not need to unroot. If you accept that ota update it will take away your root because the rom it puts in isn't rooted. I happened to download and try out froyo 2.2 like 3 days ago to see how it functions. It works very well however the update killed my hotspot completely. I ended up restoring back from Froyo 2.2. I will give a link that will take you to the downloads to do it where the rom comes rooted, and the radio and wimax drivers are there as well. Here it is.... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=740520 One thing to remember is this is not the absolute final build that is pushed out on the OTA update that they have done today. So my guess is very very soon if not already there will be a posted and rooted version of the final build. I am unsure and I am almost positive nothing is every final, but I don't know if you will be able to re-root your evo if you just accept the update from Sprint. If you no longer want a rooted phone and all you care about is getting the update, then you can or will have gotten the request today from sprint as I did or you can look for the update manually in system updates, from settings at the home page. Hope that helps and take care.

kidcjay25 said:
How do I apply the first file?
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I strongly suggest you do not just get stock 2.2 because you have no idea if you will ever root again. Unless your taking it into sprint it makes no sense. I really do not want to attempt to get you that file because its a massive mistake. The download does work though i already tried it that much i can say. See if someone else will actually tell you what you need to do because i'm not sure i can bring myself to do it sorry. I am slightly unsure how you ended up rooting your phone if you are having trouble with a download that has an executable file as in you click on it and it runs If you however need help downloading or flashing or whatever the other stuff that i linked that i will definately try to assist you with. If you flash a stock rom you can and will get the message to update the system and you can manually look for it too. The roms have that disabled so people can't due to ignorance, apply the update then say, "Oh crap I am not rooted how do I fix it?", which we will see a lot of today.

[Q] My Tmobile G2 new update can perm root?

Just received my G2 from Tmobile yesterday, turned on the phone and there was a notifaction saying there is a new version that has Wifi calling and many more fixes. My question is that will I be albe to perm root my G2 now after I updated? Thank you

Yes you will be able to perm root w/o a problem. Go to the G2 android development sections and all your answers are already there

should i get the update from tmobile after getting root
i rooted first since it was easy and now i get a notification saying i got an update is it ok to update thanks in advance

You can root and go straight to a custom rom that takes those fixes and much much more. I recommend CM or Enom's for functionality or virtuous for aesthetics.

jonathann0222 said:
i rooted first since it was easy and now i get a notification saying i got an update is it ok to update thanks in advance
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do not update if you are rooted. it will break root

scoperyder said:
Just received my G2 from Tmobile yesterday, turned on the phone and there was a notifaction saying there is a new version that has Wifi calling and many more fixes. My question is that will I be albe to perm root my G2 now after I updated? Thank you
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I received a new G2 last week, applied the OTA update for wifi calling, and then successfully perma-rooted using the wiki. Took about an hour to go from stock to CM 6.1.1 and overclocked to 1.51Ghz.

mdayjr said:
do not update if you are rooted. it will break root
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But assuming that's the original T-Mo OTA (and I've seen nothing to suggest there's a new one) then it's safe to install the OTA and simply re-root.
You are correct, of course, that folks should stay clear of future OTAs if they are rooted though, till they've been checked by the devs - see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=875099

steviewevie said:
But assuming that's the original T-Mo OTA (and I've seen nothing to suggest there's a new one) then it's safe to install the OTA and simply re-root.
You are correct, of course, that folks should stay clear of future OTAs if they are rooted though, till they've been checked by the devs - see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=875099
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Yeah, I think it just threw some people off with the idea of an ota on a new device. It's still the same ole 1st ota for the G2 unfortunately. Nothing to rip out or borrow...
weird that it didn't come with the ota already on the device but since android, ota's haven't been flashed on the device. nevermind, I thinking of the old wm devices... I'm a bit tired.

Upcoming Update

If and when the Gingerbread update gets pushed out, how will us custom ROMmers be notified? Will we receive notifications asking us to download the update and then have to deny it? Will we have to unroot then upgrade? I wasn't around for the 2.2 update so I am a little curious as to how this all works on the Evo. Feel like such a noob right now but I really don't feel liking bricking my Evo due to an act of stupidity.

Don't have to unroot, it should show there is an update, update and it will take off root and go to stock 2.3, anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

You aren't going to need to do anything, other than NOT take the OTA. The only thing you will need to do is wait from 2-10 hours after the update is out in the wild for the devs to get their hands on it and give us a fully rooted build to flash. It does not take long around here. There is absolutely no need to unroot and take the OTA. Who knows, if you did that you may not even be able to root again. So basically all you're going to need to do for the update is wait for the devs, and then flash a rom as usual. Maybe some new radios or something too, who knows.
I'm more concerned about when they will push the damn update. *Supposedly* it's Q2, but I'd bet if that's true, it will be late Q2.

r916 said:
Don't have to unroot, it should show there is an update, update and it will take off root and go to stock 2.3, anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Sure, lots of people say "wait for a rooted version of the update," but all I want to know is, is it POSSIBLE to safely upgrade even if you are rooted? Would flashing the stock update remove ClockWork recovery?

yes i was rooted before 2.2 and i was having a crazy day, long story short i accepted the OTA not paying attention and it got me a weird reboot then i was unrooted and on 2.2 i had to wait for a root method for it. but i heard of some people having their phone glitch in crazy ways, also that first OTA sprint rolled out had a bug that was bricking some phones

RileyGrant said:
If and when the Gingerbread update gets pushed out, how will us custom ROMmers be notified? Will we receive notifications asking us to download the update and then have to deny it? Will we have to unroot then upgrade? I wasn't around for the 2.2 update so I am a little curious as to how this all works on the Evo. Feel like such a noob right now but I really don't feel liking bricking my Evo due to an act of stupidity.
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Developers will simply make new roms, and then you can flash the "update" of that rom. it'd be the same way of flashing CM7 nightlies.

Or just make sure you are s-off, take the update, install it. Then install SU from recovery and you are good to go. Thats the whole point of s-off (other than flashing PRI, NV, and Radios of course)

rugedraw said:
If you rooted with Unrevoked and have Unrevoked Forever, then theoretically you should be able to flash the update and still be s-off to flash a rooted rom over the update. You'd have to push the custom recovery back onto the phone, though. However, I wouldn't be the guinea pig for the theory myself. I'd keep 2.2 until a rooted 2.3 rom is available and then flash that. No one knows what will happen if you flash the OTA update as no one has is or knows what's inside of it.
Once it starts being pushed out, it will just be a matter of time before some posts a thread either:
a) crying because the update broke their root.
b) gloating because the update did NOT break their root.
Basically, don't accept it. Play it safe and wait. We've been on 2.2 for well over half a year, so 1 more day isn't going to kill anyone.
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To make it simple, the result of accepting the OTA would either:
A- luckily do nothing
B- "Break" your phone and not be able to re-root

r916 said:
Don't have to unroot, it should show there is an update, update and it will take off root and go to stock 2.3, anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
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You are correct!

Theoretical question... If you're on a custom non-stock ROM (Myn or CM or whatever) and you accept the OTA, what would happen to the ROM? I don't think it would revert you back to the stock ROM because that ROM isn't on your phone anymore. I can't imagine CM would continue to work since it's not Sense. Would a Sense-based ROM (assuming you reinstalled all the Sprint bloatware) continue working with all the customizations even though you don't have root any more? Or does the OTA rewrite the entire ROM? Or would you just screw up your phone unpredictably?
I'm certainly not going to try this myself, but I'm curious as to what would happen.

phsteve said:
Theoretical question... If you're on a custom non-stock ROM (Myn or CM or whatever) and you accept the OTA, what would happen to the ROM? I don't think it would revert you back to the stock ROM because that ROM isn't on your phone anymore. I can't imagine CM would continue to work since it's not Sense. Would a Sense-based ROM (assuming you reinstalled all the Sprint bloatware) continue working with all the customizations even though you don't have root any more? Or does the OTA rewrite the entire ROM? Or would you just screw up your phone unpredictably?
I'm certainly not going to try this myself, but I'm curious as to what would happen.
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The OTA update would include the new stock 2.3 rom in it. It would wipe whatever you have on your phone (regardless of whether it is Sense or not) and install the OEM Sprint 2.3-based rom that all will eventually be on all new Evos when HTC ships them out.