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Is there solution to the problem with films of HTC HD?

Ultimately, what is the best video player for the HTC HD now?
Problem as the phone was out that the core player play good films, but does not support all audio codecs (it is a film without sound) and does not support subtitles.
Free version of TCPMP do play all movies whit sound and subtitles, but movies go very slowly rather than smooth.
So my question is, since my information is from 4-5 months before, are there any new development on the subject. Is there a player who goes smoothly converted video and subtitles supported?
If there is such a miracle, I'll be happy to drop a link?
What is the latest version of core player and are solved the problems there?

Latest version was 1.3 I reckon. They plan on introducing AC3 audio codec support which is the most widely used audio codec for ripped movies etc in a 1.5.x version.
But yeah, Coreplayer is at the moment still the most top notch player imo.
This is a list of the supported audio and video codecs:
Audio : MP3, MP2, AAC, MKA, WMA, Midi*, WAV, OGG, Speex, WAVPACK, TTA, FLAC, MPC, AMR, ADPCM, ALaw, MuLaw, G.729, GSM
Video: H.264 (AVC), AVCHD, MKV, MPEG-1, MPEG-4 part 2 (ASP), DivX, XviD, WMV*, Theora*, Dirac*, MJPEG, MSVIDEO1

Another Coreplayer user here!
Works great for me.

scbg said:
Ultimately, what is the best video player for the HTC HD now?
Problem as the phone was out that the core player play good films, but does not support all audio codecs (it is a film without sound) and does not support subtitles.
Free version of TCPMP do play all movies whit sound and subtitles, but movies go very slowly rather than smooth.
So my question is, since my information is from 4-5 months before, are there any new development on the subject. Is there a player who goes smoothly converted video and subtitles supported?
If there is such a miracle, I'll be happy to drop a link?
What is the latest version of core player and are solved the problems there?
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It all depends how you encode the video files... I can play a whole movie without any lag.

yes, but I want to play unconverted video..

The main reason why I use coreplayer is because it can play unconverted video, I have too much video to even be coverted and it's generally just too much of a hassle to me. You can't watch a 4.7 gig dvd unconverted if that's what you mean but dvd ripped avi filea from like 700 mb play without any lag at all using coreplayer.

core player settings

converted some films to MP4 and on core player they are very stuttery
res 720 x 480
what are the best set up settings people are using for core player
thanks in advance

i play movies with CorePlayer without converting them.
I just copy paste my 700Mb AVI/DivX (1h30 min) movie onto my memory card, and it plays perfectly : smooth playback, and clear picture.
So need to convert anything.
I use the basic settings from Coreplayer... Works out of the box !
Even with my old Kaiser, it was playing well after some tweaking.

+1 same here...no conversion needed. I play a 1 1/2 hours avi movie with coreplayer with the default setting directly from my microSD 16GB with no problem. Smooth running too. Btw, this is my first time watch a full movie on my TP2, usually i only watch a small clip/trailer movie.
Very impression performance too.

Hunt down the pocketnow.com TP2 review. In one of their videos in the review, they do some benchmarking and come up with their ideal resolution and bitrate. It may not be final for you, but it's bound to be useful info.

use built in player for mp4 format! it uses the hardware effectively! i dont think coreplayer can utilize the hardware optimally nevertheless it is a good video player for many formats.

Best Video Player / Video Compressing Combination?

I want to store a heap of video files on the phone for travelling for 6 weeks. Can anyone make any suggestions on the best combination of video player and video compressing tools for the HTC Desire?

I used Handbrake to compress videos (and meridian to watch it), but I hate doing it, because it takes time.
With new avi players, soon it won't be necessary.
Rock divx player is already (in beta version) capable of playing regular divx/xvid avi videos (624x352) in great frame rate, but doesn't support subtitles at current version.
yx player supports subs, but framerate is an issue.
so, rock divx will be answer to our prayers for sure

Both hands up for "Rock Player"!!!

i use h263 on handbrake, which is ipod legacy.. unfortunatly h264 seems to be unsuppoted

+1 Rock player. Plays divx/xvid videos with relative ease!

I need to compress the files for phone size though as it would be a waste of space to have standard size files? I will look at rock player though.

Video encoding settings?Please help! :-)

I'm trying for a while now to convert movies to be played on my desire.Right now I am trying using handbrake.However it just won't seem to play whatever I have thrown at it.
My average convert settings are something like this:
An H.264 .mp4 file @ 2mbps bitrate with mp3 or AAC audio @128kbps,resolution 800x480 or 1280x720.
I have also tried to play each converted video with RockPlayer but nothing changes.
Bear in mind that the only size limitation for me right now is fat32's 4GB limit.I use a Kingston 16GB class 10 SD.
Many many thanks in advance!

Strange, I've got an Avatar rip that I dl'ed and put straight onto the Desire that played with no problems, looks awesome as well. Plays through the default player or through Rockplayer as well
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Yeah,I am also trying this with Avatar.I have downloaded two versions,one 1080p that obviously doesn't play at all,and a 720p one that plays but is really really laggy.
Can you tell me more info on the copy of Avatar that plays ok on your device?

I do it in two steps:
1. PocketDivXEncoder, just to have a "clean" AVI in 640x480.
2. SuperC, no resize (I find PocketDivXEncoder better for resizing).
Video MP4, Codec MPEG-4, 15 Fps, 768 kbps
Audio AAC-LC, 44100, 2 channels, 128 kbps
Perfect, IMO.

lohpsch said:
I do it in two steps:
1. PocketDivXEncoder, just to have a "clean" AVI in 640x480.
2. SuperC, no resize (I find PocketDivXEncoder better for resizing).
Video MP4, Codec MPEG-4, 15 Fps, 768 kbps
Audio AAC-LC, 44100, 2 channels, 128 kbps
Perfect, IMO.
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Thanks for the reply my friend but that's not what I'm talkin' about...I want high quality when I watch movies.Strangest thing is that I try to make my videos have the same settings that the Desire uses for the videos taken with its camera.To no avail so far!
Also,if anyone uses handbrake I think it would be a more productive thread!

I'm using AVS Video Converter now and my files works flawlessly. The settings are H.264 [email protected], 720p resolution (or native WVGA, as you like it), up to 8000kbps (without any problem for Desire) bitrate, no CABAC, MP4 ISO v2 container. Handbrake lacks some advanced settings, maybe you should try to change it.

But dude,it's a paid program,Handbrake is free,that's why I use it.I will try to find a cracked version though...

@Pigbrother
Man,can you please share the settings you use for H.264 with me?I encode again and again and,although it does play on the Desire,it lags like ****!
I do a H.264 @3Mbps,but I am confused with the advanced settings of it and probably that's where it all goes fuzzy!
I managed to snatch a copy of Avatar with Handbrake that plays well,but it's MPEG-4 @2Mbps(although it seems that higher would play no prob).But H.264 is better,so I want that if possible!

Here they are.
I'm using the default player with hardcoded subtitles (you can select them in the advanced tab, bottom of the screen)

Dude,this is STRAAAANGE!
Following your instructions and settings pigbrother,I got a small length video(a 1080p trailer of Harry Potter 7 I downloaded from youtube),I converted it according to what settings you used with a 3250kbps bitrate and 720p and it played super smooth while having the best quality I'd ever seen on a mobile device!Then,I converted Avatar with exactly the same settings and it wouldn't play!I tried stock video player,mVideoPlayer and RockPlayer but none worked,it just said it couldn't open the file.The only thing I can think of is that there is some sort of limitation regarding the size of the file to be played(mine was 3,8GB),because the only playing copy of Avatar I got was an exactly 2GB big one I got with Handbrake.
Please guys,If you can think of something help me!
Thanks!

So,guys,this is interesting.I made another copy of Avatar using AVS and I used some higher profile settings(like CABAC) to make an 720p H.264 mp4 file @4Mbps and checked the option to split it in 2000MB files.Total size is about 4,8GB for 3 files and it plays like heaven!The picture of it is the absolute best I've seen until now!
So guys,there is no meaning in disabling all those advanced options as they only give better compression and quality(while making the process of conversion slower however,mine took 7:30 hours with my E8400 Intel Core2Duo).You should only put a limit to the bitrate so that the output file doesn't get bigger than 2GB.
So that's it!Now,if there is any way to make the conversion using the PCs GPU which will make it far faster I'll be happy!

tolis626 said:
Yeah,I am also trying this with Avatar.I have downloaded two versions,one 1080p that obviously doesn't play at all,and a 720p one that plays but is really really laggy.
Can you tell me more info on the copy of Avatar that plays ok on your device?
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Video
Frame W/H 720*400
Data Rate 1750kbps
Total Bitrate 1918kbps
Framerate 29fps
Audio
Bitrate 167kbps
Channels 2
Audio Sample rate 48 kHz

New Update on Google Music Now Supports Gapless Playback!!!!

I just got an update today for both my Gnex and N7 and tested it out and it works!!! I am SOO happy now This has been bothering me for so long, but after the update, I put a live album on that is easy to tell and there were NO GAPS!!

I'm just mildly happy. It does work for MP3 and Vorbis files, but not for AAC which I happen to use for my audio collection. Haven't tested any other formats so far.
Definitely a step in the right direction though.

MoosDiagramm said:
I'm just mildly happy. It does work for MP3 and Vorbis files, but not for AAC which I happen to use for my audio collection. Haven't tested any other formats so far.
Definitely a step in the right direction though.
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Well, I upload my music to google music, and all higher quality music just gets converted to the highest rate MP3 anyway. But that is good to know, thanks.

Listening to it now, love it.
#Galaxy Nexus HSPA+

I think this was done in time to appease people who buy the Nexus 4 and need a solution for music that they can't put on their phone due to the low storage space.

CADude said:
I think this was done in time to appease people who buy the Nexus 4 and need a solution for music that they can't put on their phone due to the low storage space.
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And gapless playback helps this how?

rand4ll said:
And gapless playback helps this how?
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People with a ton of music on their computer, especially live albums, tend to love things like gapless playback. If they can't play a lot of music on their phone locally, as is the case on the Nexus 4 with its limited storage which is also needed for apps, photos, video, etc, they will buy another phone or a dedicated mp3 player. However, now that Google music has gapless playback just in time for the sale of the Nexus 4, more people will warm up to the idea of playing their music over the cloud with a Nexus 4 and they will buy it.

This isn't related to cloud storage. Gapless playbck didn't work AT ALL in the Android music app until now, even for files stored on the device.
I've tested a different AAC encoder and the files it produced do play gaplessly.
Apparently, the gapless information stored by Nero AAC (current version 1.5.4.0) isn't supported by the Android music app. It does work an any other device/software player with gapless playback support I tried, so the problem is probably on Google's end. It even works on Apple devices.
Files produced by the Quicktime AAC encoder work fine.

Does it have to be in an album or what? And is the gap less trigger stored in the file itself?
There are some tracks - not live albums - of various artists that have gap less tracks (Green Day's Holiday and Boulevard Of Broken Dreams is an example, Royksopp's Melody A.M. album is another)... So how does it great those tracks in that case? Gap less, or standard?
Cheers. And sent from my mini tractor

You're confusing gapless with crossfade. Crossfade plays the second track before the first ends, merging them into one. Gapless just makes sure that there is no additional gap between the files, the second track is played exactly when the first ends.
As you can see, there is no reason to disable gapless for specific situations. It is never harmful.

I didn't mean cross fade; I know exactly what gapless playback is all I was curious to find out was are there certain rules where gapless playback kicks in, or does it apply on all tracks by default.
(In short - how the app knows when to remove gaps and when to treat it like normal files)
Because it was said that encoding it in AAC using Nero doesn't help, but QuickTime encoding works... So... Kinda confusing me.
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aeoveu said:
I didn't mean cross fade; I know exactly what gapless playback is all I was curious to find out was are there certain rules where gapless playback kicks in, or does it apply on all tracks by default.
(In short - how the app knows when to remove gaps and when to treat it like normal files)
Because it was said that encoding it in AAC using Nero doesn't help, but QuickTime encoding works... So... Kinda confusing me.
sent from my mini tractor
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Gapless playback under Android doesn't remove any data from the files or depend on any metadata scheme. It just plays the tracks back-to-back so that any silence between tracks is due to that silence being encoded in the files themselves.
The underlying mechanism for gapless playback was added to the Android SDK for Jellybean/4.1. I added it my music app a couple months ago. I was surprised that Google didn't add this into their player at the same time that Jellybean was released.

Oh... So there's no gap or delay when playing the files (or switching from one file to another), right?
I thought it involved using a buffer and cutting to the next file and whatnot.
So its all normal. Thanks.
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Hmm some things are gapless others aren't. Really annoying.
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aeoveu said:
I didn't mean cross fade; I know exactly what gapless playback is all I was curious to find out was are there certain rules where gapless playback kicks in, or does it apply on all tracks by default.
(In short - how the app knows when to remove gaps and when to treat it like normal files)
Because it was said that encoding it in AAC using Nero doesn't help, but QuickTime encoding works... So... Kinda confusing me.
sent from my mini tractor
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Ah, now I understand what you mean.
Lossy audio compression (like MP3, AAC, whatever...) adds a bit of silence at the end and beginning of each track. It's part of how lossy audio codecs work.
In order to remove this silence during playback, modern encoding tools write some additional data to the compressed audio file that says "remove x milliseconds at the beginning and y milliseconds at the end" to restore the tracks original length. Players need to look for such data and skip the additional parts accordingly.
If you take an album that has silence at the end of tracks on the CD and convert it to MP3/AAC/whatever, it will add some more silence to it. A player that supports gaplesss playback will remove this additional silence, but keep the original silence that was on the CD.
AFAIK, there is no official standard on how to write this gapless information to the compressed audio file, so different codecs do it in a different way and developers of audio players must take a look at files produced by popular codecs to understand how each codec handles it and implement support for it.
Android 4.2 along with the latest version of the music app supports the format used by Lame MP3, Vorbis and Quicktime AAC (and probably others, these are just the ones I tested). AAC files produced by Nero AAC, which do have gapless data and work fine on other players, are not supported at the moment.

Ahhh so that's how it works. I've been a long time winamp user and use the silence remover capability in there...which does it on the fly! Never tried it with portable devices...but I think I may give it a shot this time.
Cheers!
sent from my mini tractor

I enjoy the cross-fade feature in PowerAmp, would be cool to see that implemented one day too.

Cross fading in those apps are basic i.e. they only work on a constant. Not sure if any of you guys know about this plugin for Winamp called Sqr Advanced Cross fader... it works based on the silence level of the currently paying song, and works wonderfully in most cases.
Then there are times when I end up cross fading songs myself in Winamp
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MoosDiagramm said:
Ah, now I understand what you mean.
Lossy audio compression (like MP3, AAC, whatever...) adds a bit of silence at the end and beginning of each track. It's part of how lossy audio codecs work.
In order to remove this silence during playback, modern encoding tools write some additional data to the compressed audio file that says "remove x milliseconds at the beginning and y milliseconds at the end" to restore the tracks original length. Players need to look for such data and skip the additional parts accordingly.
If you take an album that has silence at the end of tracks on the CD and convert it to MP3/AAC/whatever, it will add some more silence to it. A player that supports gaplesss playback will remove this additional silence, but keep the original silence that was on the CD.
AFAIK, there is no official standard on how to write this gapless information to the compressed audio file, so different codecs do it in a different way and developers of audio players must take a look at files produced by popular codecs to understand how each codec handles it and implement support for it.
Android 4.2 along with the latest version of the music app supports the format used by Lame MP3, Vorbis and Quicktime AAC (and probably others, these are just the ones I tested). AAC files produced by Nero AAC, which do have gapless data and work fine on other players, are not supported at the moment.
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Very nice explanation, thank you!
So I went ahead and listened to some of my lossy mixes, still .1 second gaps between songs... it hurts wish the player could analyze the spectrum and fix this... guess nobody at google listens to trance
On the plus side, I ran a local mix that was in FLAC, and it was truly gapless! Too bad that it every 30 seconds theres a .5 second pause.....
I remember not having these problems 2004, why do I have them in 2012
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Just use PowerAmp, you'll need to pay a few Euro's, but that player is just great! Gapless playback? Like that is a novelty! PowerAmp had Gapless playback 2 years ago already! Besides that, PowerAmp has a great Equalizer and a big deal of other settings to match it to your liking...