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[Q] Nubile question about Nandroid Backup

What is the point of a nandroid backup?
Ive flashed many roms since coming here, and have backed up my Nandroid a few times, but I have no clue what the backups are to be used for.
Am I right in assuming that its a backup of all the internal memory? Such that say I was on Rom Y, I nandroid backup, then full wipe and flash Rom Z, if Z sucks I can just flash Y, and restore the backup and my phone is completely back to where it was before the process? Is that the purpose?
Ive finally gotten tired of setting up my homescreens/widgets/programs everytime I flash a new rom. So I wondered if Nandroid backups could help alleviate some of that.
Thanks.

massivebasset said:
What is the point of a nandroid backup?
Ive flashed many roms since coming here, and have backed up my Nandroid a few times, but I have no clue what the backups are to be used for.
Am I right in assuming that its a backup of all the internal memory? Such that say I was on Rom Y, I nandroid backup, then full wipe and flash Rom Z, if Z sucks I can just flash Y, and restore the backup and my phone is completely back to where it was before the process? Is that the purpose?
Ive finally gotten tired of setting up my homescreens/widgets/programs everytime I flash a new rom. So I wondered if Nandroid backups could help alleviate some of that.
Thanks.
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with the current lack of brain power to make a good joke at your topic line about young attractive nandroid backups, ill give you a straight answer.
Yes. your assumption on what they do is correct. however you cant use them to backup homescreen stuffs and move them to a new rom.
im not sure what you can use for that but theres probably something out there for that.

nenn said:
with the current lack of brain power to make a good joke at your topic line about young attractive nandroid backups, ill give you a straight answer.
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Thats why I post my grammatically terrible questions in the mornings!
Thanks for the response, I assumed a backup for Y wouldnt work for Z, but if it at least can get me back to Y seamlessly, thats something.
nenn said:
im not sure what you can use for that but theres probably something out there for that.
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I use LauncherPro, which has a backup, titanium for programs, and apps organizer to make it as painless as possible, but theres still some annoyance in getting it all perfect (Widgets for instance dont really back up with Launcher Pro).

the other purpose is as a fail safe. if something goes majorly wrong. you have a stable safe back up that will get you running again.

MyBackup from the market has the ability to save home screen settings. Combined with Titanium Backup, it is a great way to move apps and data to new ROMs. Just be sure to not restore system settings as that will screw up your new ROM.
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Feel like a NOOB. Thought I'd ask anyway.

So I'm actually somewhat of a noob to rooting and flashing roms. I had an HD2 that was rooted and what not but really didn't play with it too much. I picked up my G2 the other day and haven't put it down since. This thing is amazing. Now that I've said that.
I rooted it using the rage/ADB way with gfree. I dl'd Rom manager and Kernel manager. Currently running CM7 final with the CM rom. I wanted to try out a couple of the other builds but have already set my phone up for the most part. I was wondering if there is a way to keep settings and such while flashing between roms.

Use MyBackup.

carsenj said:
So I'm actually somewhat of a noob to rooting and flashing roms. I had an HD2 that was rooted and what not but really didn't play with it too much. I picked up my G2 the other day and haven't put it down since. This thing is amazing. Now that I've said that.
I rooted it using the rage/ADB way with gfree. I dl'd Rom manager and Kernel manager. Currently running CM7 final with the CM rom. I wanted to try out a couple of the other builds but have already set my phone up for the most part. I was wondering if there is a way to keep settings and such while flashing between roms.
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Make a back up in recovery, to keep all your data.
Or use titanium back up.
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carsenj said:
I rooted it using the rage/ADB way with gfree. I dl'd Rom manager and Kernel manager. Currently running CM7 final with the CM rom. I wanted to try out a couple of the other builds but have already set my phone up for the most part. I was wondering if there is a way to keep settings and such while flashing between roms.
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Just wanted to add my 2 cents.
Use NANDroid backup in CWM recovery to make a complete image of your current ROM and settings.
Use Titanium Backup (in android market) to make a backup of your settings, apps and etc..
Flash your new ROM and use Titanium to restore your apps. I would not recommend restoring your settings as some settings do not exist or are different on other ROMs.
Happy flashing!

Thanks for all the great replies. I have made a backup using Titanium and I have loaded nandroid onto my laptop. I'm going to make a full backup of the device state and commence with the tinkering. Damn I love playing with this kind of technology. Just being able to make changes and see the outcome.

carsenj said:
I had an HD2 that was rooted and what not but really didn't play with it too much.
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You talking about HardSPL on Windows Mobile phones? Really not the same thing as rooting and Android phone, so probably a good idea to keep the terminology separate.

redpoint73 said:
You talking about HardSPL on Windows Mobile phones? Really not the same thing as rooting and Android phone, so probably a good idea to keep the terminology separate.
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Sorry for the mix up. Yea the HD2 is HardSPL. Unlock bootloader so you can multi-boot.

[Q] Installing other ROM's than CM7

Hey Guys!!
So I have some question to flashing new ROM's and I would greatly appreciate your answers.So first off I'm going to tell you what I already did do.
Permrooted my HTC DESIRE Z
Flashed CM7
So, now I see plenty of roms here in the android development section and here is are my questions:
1.If I want to flash these roms, do I just have to put them into the root of my SD cart and flash them per clockword recovery?
2.I know that I have to wipe data and cache before flashing, but is there a way to backup my current ROM(So my current homescreen, installed apps,saved messages) in case I don't like the new ROM?
Thanks very very much for your answers!

whitis said:
Hey Guys!!
So I have some question to flashing new ROM's and I would greatly appreciate your answers.So first off I'm going to tell you what I already did do.
Permrooted my HTC DESIRE Z
Flashed CM7
So, now I see plenty of roms here in the android development section and here is are my questions:
1.If I want to flash these roms, do I just have to put them into the root of my SD cart and flash them per clockword recovery?
2.I know that I have to wipe data and cache before flashing, but is there a way to backup my current ROM(So my current homescreen, installed apps,saved messages) in case I don't like the new ROM?
Thanks very very much for your answers!
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Flash any ROM just as you did CM7; as for backing up, which you should always do just incase the flash fails, there's an option to backup your current ROM in CWM. Sadly, it gives the backup a generic date/time name so I'd recommend backing up via RM which allows you to name the backup.
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use this app titanium backup (pro is preferred)https://market.android.com/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup&feature=search_result
then redownload it in your new rom and everything should be good....
oh and since your new instead of manually wiping flash superwipe for cleaner installs then install your new rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1044992

master.peterm said:
use this app titanium backup (pro is preferred)https://market.android.com/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup&feature=search_result
then redownload it in your new rom and everything should be good....
oh and since your new instead of manually wiping flash superwipe for cleaner installs then install your new rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1044992
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I would also recommend getting titanium backup Pro, its only a few $$ and it batch restores your apps. its a time saver if you flash ROMs often.

go to rom manager and click back up rom and name it the name of the rom and the date you backed it up
download titanium backup then open that and click batch then backup all apps and system data
then make a folder and call it ROMS and keep all your roms in there so its nice and organized
wipe and all that good stuff
then go back and flash the new rom the same way you did cm7
then install titanium again then click batch then restore all apps system data
if you dont like it just go back to rom manager and click manage backups and click on it and click restore and itll go back to your cm7

rickyiswhite said:
go to rom manager and click back up rom and name it the name of the rom and the date you backed it up
download titanium backup then open that and click batch then backup all apps and system data
then make a folder and call it ROMS and keep all your roms in there so its nice and organized
wipe and all that good stuff
then go back and flash the new rom the same way you did cm7
then install titanium again then click batch then restore all apps system data
if you dont like it just go back to rom manager and click manage backups and click on it and click restore and itll go back to your cm7
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No, no, no ... Never restore system data unless flashing between like ROMs. You want to backup/restore apps and data (not system data).
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OriginalGabriel said:
No, no, no ... Never restore system data unless flashing between like ROMs. You want to backup/restore apps and data (not system data).
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THIS. Do not restore system data. The only reason to backup and restore system data is if you're planning on doing a complete wipe then re-installing CM7 (for example if you're trying to fix an issue) and want your settings back. Otherwise, don't backup system data!
Also, there's no need to make a new folder called "ROM's" or whatever. All of your backups will be organized (by date by default, but you can rename them) in the Clockwork Recovery folder on your SD card. Its best not to mess with these files (you can remove them and put onto your desktop if you need SD card space, but just leave them if you're worried). These backups don't necessarily have to be initiated by ROM manger either, they can be made while you're in recovery also, which saves you the trouble of having to wait for a reboot before wiping to flash the new ROM

martonikaj said:
THIS. Do not restore system data. The only reason to backup and restore system data is if you're planning on doing a complete wipe then re-installing CM7 (for example if you're trying to fix an issue) and want your settings back. Otherwise, don't backup system data!
Also, there's no need to make a new folder called "ROM's" or whatever. All of your backups will be organized (by date by default, but you can rename them) in the Clockwork Recovery folder on your SD card. Its best not to mess with these files (you can remove them and put onto your desktop if you need SD card space, but just leave them if you're worried). These backups don't necessarily have to be initiated by ROM manger either, they can be made while you're in recovery also, which saves you the trouble of having to wait for a reboot before wiping to flash the new ROM
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Good tip! But I don't see an option to backup apps and data. Just batch app buckup or batch app buckup + system data.
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Murrzeak said:
Good tip! But I don't see an option to backup apps and data. Just batch app buckup or batch app buckup + system data.
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just hit menu > batch. Then hit "Backup all user apps". That'll back up the apps with the data. Titanium Backup inherently includes the app data with the app backup, it doesn't just backup the plain .apk's.
Also remember that you need to re-backup all the apps before you flash a new ROM, that way the backups are up-to-date with the latest changes you've made to them.

Wow thanks for all your replies, you guys really helped me out!!
So, If I', allowed to, I'd like to ask if there is a way to get my original ROM back(The one what came with the original phone) on my phone.
And also I want you to ask if CM7 slows my Wifi down, because it feels kind of slower.
Thanks again, you guys are awesome

whitis said:
Wow thanks for all your replies, you guys really helped me out!!
So, If I', allowed to, I'd like to ask if there is a way to get my original ROM back(The one what came with the original phone) on my phone.
And also I want you to ask if CM7 slows my Wifi down, because it feels kind of slower.
Thanks again, you guys are awesome
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If you backed up your stock ROM just restore it, otherwise check the sticky in the dev forum or the wiki to download the stock ROM
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whitis said:
So, If I', allowed to, I'd like to ask if there is a way to get my original ROM back(The one what came with the original phone) on my phone.
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If you've made a backup with ROM manger (nandroid backup) then you can simply restore this. I'm assuming you didn't if you're asking though. Check the wiki or dev section to find a stock rooted ROM. Make sure you get the stock rooted version, otherwise you're going to unroot yourself.
whitis said:
And also I want you to ask if CM7 slows my Wifi down, because it feels kind of slower.
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Have you done speedtests to confirm? This could be any number of issues, and I'm sure you're not the only one who has experienced WiFi slowdowns, but there's no known issue in CM7 that affects WiFi speeds.

martonikaj said:
Have you done speedtests to confirm? This could be any number of issues, and I'm sure you're not the only one who has experienced WiFi slowdowns, but there's no known issue in CM7 that affects WiFi speeds.
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No I didn't, but i saw The wifi Symbol in The notificationbar showing less bars than IT showed me on my stock ROM.
But i assume it's a Kind of Placebo effect because The wofür symbol in cm7 has Overall less Bars to fill then the stock one
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whitis said:
No I didn't, but i saw The wifi Symbol in The notificationbar showing less bars than IT showed me on my stock ROM.
But i assume it's a Kind of Placebo effect because The wofür symbol in cm7 has Overall less Bars to fill then the stock one
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Yea, less bars doesn't mean worse signal necessarily. CM7 reports signal with bars pretty accurately, moreso than the stock ROM for sure. If you want to know for sure, run comparative speed tests, or go to settings > about phone > status and see your WiFi signal strength.

martonikaj said:
THIS. Do not restore system data. The only reason to backup and restore system data is if you're planning on doing a complete wipe then re-installing CM7 (for example if you're trying to fix an issue) and want your settings back. Otherwise, don't backup system data!
Also, there's no need to make a new folder called "ROM's" or whatever. All of your backups will be organized (by date by default, but you can rename them) in the Clockwork Recovery folder on your SD card. Its best not to mess with these files (you can remove them and put onto your desktop if you need SD card space, but just leave them if you're worried). These backups don't necessarily have to be initiated by ROM manger either, they can be made while you're in recovery also, which saves you the trouble of having to wait for a reboot before wiping to flash the new ROM
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Did I say backups? No, I said roms. When you download roms and put them into a folder called ROMS instead of having them scattered around your SD card. He's asking for suggestions. Not someones opinion on someones suggestion. I'm telling him what I would do. Sorry I don't do everything the way you do it.
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rickyiswhite said:
Did I say backups? No, I said roms. When you download roms and put them into a folder called ROMS instead of having them scattered around your SD card. He's asking for suggestions. Not someones opinion on someones suggestion. I'm telling him what I would do. Sorry I don't do everything the way you do it.
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Settle down. Seriously. Either way there is no need to create a folder for them. I'd be surprised if he had so many ROMs on his SDcard that he couldn't distinguish between them. They're all named appropriately or you can rename them. Also, there's no need to keep the .zip's on the SDcard after you've flashed anyways.

martonikaj said:
Settle down. Seriously. Either way there is no need to create a folder for them. I'd be surprised if he had so many ROMs on his SDcard that he couldn't distinguish between them. They're all named appropriately or you can rename them. Also, there's no need to keep the .zip's on the SDcard after you've flashed anyways.
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So say somehow you lose your rm backups and something goes wrong, then you have re download the rom and if you don't have a pc near by, you have to download it from your phone and all of us tmobile users know that downloading a rom uses a good amount of data, so if you wanna download a new one on your phone if you have to, have fun being throttled quicker. A friend of mine had that happen to him, he was ****ed so I let him use my sd card to flash the rom. And I only have glite and the rom I'm running now, I don't have every single rom on xda
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rickyiswhite said:
So say somehow you lose your rm backups and something goes wrong, then you have re download the rom and if you don't have a pc near by, you have to download it from your phone and all of us tmobile users know that downloading a rom uses a good amount of data, so if you wanna download a new one on your phone if you have to, have fun being throttled quicker. A friend of mine had that happen to him, he was ****ed so I let him use my sd card to flash the rom. And I only have glite and the rom I'm running now, I don't have every single rom on xda.
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If you lose your ROM manager backups, chances are you lost your SDcard, which also contained your initial ROM .zip's (aka lose one, you lose the other). Just keep the .zip's on your computer, its wasted space to have the originals and the backups on the same SDcard. Storage space ain't free.
I don't understand why you would download ROMs continuously over 3G when you can simply wait and download on a computer. Who needs to download a ROM that bad that they would be willing to go over their data cap for it? Seems to be a weird use-case, you clearly wouldn't download a ROM on 3G if you were close to your data throttle. I'm sure at that point your current ROM can last you the rest of the day till you get to a computer.
If you're "somehow losing" your ROM manager backups you might have other issues to deal with first.

[Q] Nandroid backup help

Hey guys i cracked my evo again yesterday so im probably going to go get another one sometime soon. Is it possible to make a nandroid of my current evo and restore it on my new evo? If so HOW do it do it and WHAT do i need to backup im running armon ra 2.3 so i can pick and choose what to backup. Thanks guys!

Im not an evo expert seeing as i have a galaxy s 4g but i believe if you somehow edit the md5 sum of either the phone or the backup, you can use it on pretty much any phone (well not any, like you couldnt take a nand of an evo custom rom and run it on a galaxy s)
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Restoring a backup in that manner can brick your evo. What you do is backup all of the apps and data to titanium backup on the sd card, then put that sd card in the new evo, use revolutionary to root it, then after root, restore ONLY apps and data, NOT system settings. You can restore launcher settings as well, just re add the widgets.
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teh roxxorz said:
Restoring a backup in that manner can brick your evo. What you do is backup all of the apps and data to titanium backup on the sd card, then put that sd card in the new evo, use revolutionary to root it, then after root, restore ONLY apps and data, NOT system settings. You can restore launcher settings as well, just re add the widgets.
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Well I saw on another thread that like the other guy said you can edit files to trick the phone into thinking it was the original one
Sywped from mah Supasonic!

alainater said:
Well I saw on another thread that like the other guy said you can edit files to trick the phone into thinking it was the original one
Sywped from mah Supasonic!
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Well I'm personally not familiar with it. Though I still don't recommend it if you don't know what you are doing because you will corrupt the backup and could brick the phone.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=728266
go down to the third post! I think it would work

alainater said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=728266
go down to the third post! I think it would work
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I still wouldn't do that. The evo, unlike the hero, has wimax, and if you overwrite the wimax radios, you will NEVER get them back.

alainater said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=728266
go down to the third post! I think it would work
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Well if that's the case, that should work, just have to be sure to get the new device id exactly right. Though I still think he will run into problems, maybe force closes when restoring the system portion.
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sitlet said:
I still wouldn't do that. The evo, unlike the hero, has wimax, and if you overwrite the wimax radios, you will NEVER get them back.
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well if I backup with armon ra the I can choose to not to backup Wimax
Sywped from mah Supasonic!

I would suggest installing clockwork mod, making a nandroid of your current setup and downloading titanium backup, backing up your apps plus data. Copy the backup data to your computer. Once you get your new phone, root it, install clockwork mod again and MAKE A NANDROID BACKUP of your stock evo. This is very important. If you somehow lose your wimax keys, or mess something critical up, this will allow you to get those keys back. Now, restore your nandroid from your previous phone, and restore your apps + data.
Earthshine0 out-

Earthshine0 said:
I would suggest installing clockwork mod, making a nandroid of your current setup and downloading titanium backup, backing up your apps plus data. Copy the backup data to your computer. Once you get your new phone, root it, install clockwork mod again and MAKE A NANDROID BACKUP of your stock evo. This is very important. If you somehow lose your wimax keys, or mess something critical up, this will allow you to get those keys back. Now, restore your nandroid from your previous phone, and restore your apps + data.
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Ok that makes sense but if I make a nandroid why would I need titanium?
Sywped from mah Supasonic!

You should really buy an Otter Box case and you wouldn't really be having this problem. But to answer you question, yes the last response was correct. As long as you store the backup on your computer then you can put that copy on your new cell.
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Neptune2633 said:
You should really buy an Otter Box case and you wouldn't really be having this problem. But to answer you question, yes the last response was correct. As long as you store the backup on your computer then you can put that copy on your new cell.
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HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA funny you say that cause I have one! I don't use it cause I have an extended battery so I can't use it...
Sywped from mah Supasonic!

alainater said:
Ok that makes sense but if I make a nandroid why would I need titanium?
Sywped from mah Supasonic!
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Because apps won't restore properly.
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Earthshine0 said:
Because apps won't restore properly.
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OK well actually thinking about it now I might just do a clean install and use titanium to restore some apps
Sywped from mah Supasonic!

Sounds good to me, the only reason I would use nandroid is if you have a highly modified phone (custom rom and/or kernel, themes, etc).
If I or someone else helped you, tap the thanks button.
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Earthshine0 said:
Sounds good to me, the only reason I would use nandroid is if you have a highly modified phone (custom rom and/or kernel, themes, etc).
If I or someone else helped you, tap the thanks button.
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You bet I'll thank you once I get on my computer haha
Sywped from mah Supasonic!

alainater said:
well if I backup with armon ra the I can choose to not to backup Wimax
Sywped from mah Supasonic!
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Well if you used clockwork, you can manually go into the folder and remove the wimax from the backup.

[Q] Nandroid backup

**SOLVED**
I have done some searching and other threads didn't exactly answer my question.
I understand that a Nandroid backup will take you back to the way your phone was before flashing a ROM.
My question is does that include all the installed apps? So like I have my SMS Backup & Restore, Defender II, and Dolphin Browser (just to name a few of the many). So does the Nandroid backup all these apps as well, or just what is on the internal memory?

jacodaburr said:
I have done some searching and other threads didn't exactly answer my question.
I understand that a Nandroid backup will take you back to the way your phone was before flashing a ROM.
My question is does that include all the installed apps? So like I have my SMS Backup & Restore, Defender II, and Dolphin Browser (just to name a few of the many). So does the Nandroid backup all these apps as well, or just what is on the internal memory?
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A nandroid backup is an exactly image of your kernel, system, data, and boot image as well. Your user applications are stored inside the data partition that means yes your applications are in your nandroid too.
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parusia said:
A nandroid backup is an exactly image of your kernel, system, data, and boot image as well. Your user applications are stored inside the data partition that means yes your applications are in your nandroid too.
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YAY Thanks you! I finally got everything working with my current ROM and wanted to experiment with some of the Jelly Bean ROMs, but wanted to make sure all my work wasn't going to go to waste, lol.

Keep in mind though, Nandoid back ups don't always flash/restore like it was before. It's a good temporary fix if something messes up, but not (in my opinion) a permanent solution.
If restored using backups a few times and they always came out buggy, I only use them in case of emergency!

Bluntified said:
Keep in mind though, Nandoid back ups don't always flash/restore like it was before. It's a good temporary fix if something messes up, but not (in my opinion) a permanent solution.
If restored using backups a few times and they always came out buggy, I only use them in case of emergency!
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If it at least restores the ROM itself and everything with that I am fine, which is what I knew it would at least do. Having all my apps there is just a plus! xD

It won't backup your images and songs, and it doesn't come out buggy.

doanthaitu said:
It won't backup your images and songs, and it doesn't come out buggy.
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I try to keep this files on the external as a necessary precaution in case anything ever goes, even when running stock ROM, lol. Thanks though