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Well, I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking this. As you guys can imagine, FaceTime is going to be the new craze among iPhone 4 users. As much as I hate to say it, Apple will be the ones to make voice calling finally take off.
Qik is meh, and Skype video chat is still up in the air (no pun intended).
So that begs the question, would it be possible to make a device such as the Evo emulate FaceTime (with an iPhone 4 caller). Considering it's over WiFi, I don't see how it couldn't be possible.
They claim FaceTime is supposed to be an "open" standard, though I am a bit dubious to this considering H.264/AAC is involved.
Anyhow, all licensing and networking aside, I think we can agree that it is somewhat remotely possible and also really neat of an idea.
I know it's a bit early, but are there any teams talking about/working on this? I'm a developer (and learning the Android ropes at the moment) and would love to help contribute to something like this.
Comments, thoughts, and suggestions all welcome!
Yup, we'll see it eventually. As you said, FaceTime is an open standard and will probably be adopted on many different platforms. H.264 and AAC encoding's wont cause a problem, and will actually be beneficial due to it's compression versus quality ratio. Couple that together with the fact that the Evo already supports them out of the box, it's a no-brainer!
Eventually most likely all devices will connect somehow. This is a question though and would be more fit for the Q&A forum
The cool thing will be that we will likely be able to connect to FaceTime via 3G/4G and they will need Wifi because of Apple/ATT's control.
I would love to help out with this in any way I can, I can't do code but if you need graphics for the project, just pm me.
take it for what its worth, but Engadget did a test of facetime with mifi devices and the results were piss poor... we're probably better off using qik or some system that is designed for mobile networks.
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RTessi said:
take it for what its worth, but Engadget did a test of facetime with mifi devices and the results were piss poor... we're probably better off using qik or some system that is designed for mobile networks.
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Guess that explains why it's WiFi-only. Typical Crapple.
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Guess that explains why it's WiFi-only. Typical Crapple.
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id factor it up more towards at&t not wanting the iphone users (apparently bandwidth hogs) taking up anymore of their resources.
this isdump. we have fring and qik which already work over 3g and 4g were facetime is only working over wifi....and its not even performing well with that....so what im trying to understand is...what is it that you are you expecting?
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this isdump. we have fring and qik which already work over 3g and 4g were facetime is only working over wifi....and its not even performing well with that....so what im trying to understand is...what is it that you are you expecting?
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I agree with you.
I don't think we need someone on Android to implement FaceTime... I'd rather have Fring, Qik or Skype put 2-way chat on the iPhone 4. It's not like I'm going to be in a call with someone and be like, oh, lets switch over to video so we can see each other. I'm fine with using a dedicated client and I think most iPhone users would be too.
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I agree with you.
I don't think we need someone on Android to implement FaceTime... I'd rather have Fring, Qik or Skype put 2-way chat on the iPhone 4. It's not like I'm going to be in a call with someone and be like, oh, lets switch over to video so we can see each other. I'm fine with using a dedicated client and I think most iPhone users would be too.
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agreed, most of that stuff is just a gimmick, you use it once and then nada. I personally haven't used video chat on my phone since i got it.
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agreed, most of that stuff is just a gimmick, you use it once and then nada. I personally haven't used video chat on my phone since i got it.
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I agree somewhat. I've used it a couple times but the lack of quality makes it a gimmick. If it was higher quality and more people could connect, I would probably use it more and think it was less gimmicky.
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I agree somewhat. I've used it a couple times but the lack of quality makes it a gimmick. If it was higher quality and more people could connect, I would probably use it more and think it was less gimmicky.
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the quality is why I haven't used it, it's like i'm broadcasting from a portal into LEGO world
Yeah, so far video chatting from phone to phone is such a gimmick. However, I see some potential for video chatting from evo to computer. There isn't many video chat enabled phones out there but plenty of people with computers to video chat with. I just haven't found the right softwares for the phone and computer to use.
fring on evo connected with skype on computer is flawless, sound and video...if you have strong 3g/4g/wifi signal
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Yeah, so far video chatting from phone to phone is such a gimmick. However, I see some potential for video chatting from evo to computer. There isn't many video chat enabled phones out there but plenty of people with computers to video chat with. I just haven't found the right softwares for the phone and computer to use.
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ChatRoulette for Android Especially since they are working on an algorithm to filter out all the wangs
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ChatRoulette for Android Especially since they are working on an algorithm to filter out all the wangs
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your kiddin me hahahah filter out the wangs....thats hilarious.
Facetime application for Android
I switched from Apple to HTC EVO and I am very happy with HTC EVO. It is awesome. However if you look at the quality of video on face time it is amazing. The video and audio quality through Fring is no way comparable to facetime. Also people have connected using tethering through HTC EVO and connected two iphones with facetime. Excellent quality over 3G through HTC EVO. Summary, it will be nice to have an application like factime... Thanks
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Guess that explains why it's WiFi-only. Typical Crapple.
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Is crap typical from Apple?
never really used facetime :/
Hey everyone, need advice get an Evo now, I have a place to get one, or get a WP7 later and wait it out?
It's been tough seeing my sister with the Evo while I'm still running this old stuff but I'm waiting for WP7.
If you're like 90% of the people who have the evo, you'll be eligible for a full handset upgrade every year through sprint premier ($70/mnth+ on single line, or $100/mnth+ family line)
If I had a handset upgrade every year, I'd probably get the epic or evo. You can always arrange a trade with someone if you really want a WP7 before your next upgrade
I would just get the Evo, WP7 just shot itself in the foot lately. Instead of going forward their going backwards no tethering, no internet browser options. I could go on and on. Ill look around next month for a upgrade as well since my contract is up. I hate to leave windows mobile 6.5 but no more support for my i637 jack.
But then again, it might be about half a year befor sprint and verizon get WP7 as MS is currently looking to only support GSM first.
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It's been tough seeing my sister with the Evo while I'm still running this old stuff but I'm waiting for WP7.
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Honestly, when I put my Omnia II just running titanium up against the iphone and android...I don't really see it all that lacking. I think MS really misstepped by not releasing photon. I think an updated 6.5 version would have really stomped Android. I wonder how close they were to release.
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Honestly, when I put my Omnia II just running titanium up against the iphone and android...I don't really see it all that lacking. I think MS really misstepped by not releasing photon. I think an updated 6.5 version would have really stomped Android. I wonder how close they were to release.
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It might have. But WP7 is still light years ahead of that. Who cares if it's missing a few features at launch that only "power users" really care about? I am extremely glad they took the course that they did. Photon was evolutionary, WP7 is revolutionary in terms of UI and platform. Would we have seen Silverlight and XNA (including Xbox Live) on Photon? no way. We'd still be using WinForms, maybe just slightly updated with some new controls and styling and gesture support. Ever since the Zune HD launched, many people were hoping Microsoft would make a phone based on that philosophy and that's what WP7 is. Metro is the ****.
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Who cares if it's missing a few features at launch that only "power users" really care about?
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Uhhhh.........maybe the power users on this power users forum?
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Uhhhh.........maybe the power users on this power users forum?
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That's where "jailbreaking" will probably come in.
Paperclips your starting to seem very apologetic for WP7, but I can understand why. People just don't want to like WP7, I think were part of the few.
But back on the subject at hand. Yes I'd say get the Evo 4g if your on sprint, because WP7 isn't coming to that carrier until mid 2011. IF your not on Sprint than try other carriers and them make your judgement off that.
How much of you folks truly do use tethering? And who just make another fuzz just because? I'm sure most of you fall into the latter category.
Anyone that needs mobile connectivity regularly would just get a 3G thumbstick anyway. They're cheap as ****, too.
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How much of you folks truly do use tethering?
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I can't say I use it often, but when I do, I really need it.
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Anyone that needs mobile connectivity regularly would just get a 3G thumbstick anyway. They're cheap as ****, too.
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That's not really a solution. I need a new SIM, a new contract, another device to carry with me at all times, I need to remember to pay for it, etc. If I used it daily I would maybe get it, but for occasional use it's just a hassle.
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Paperclips your starting to seem very apologetic for WP7, but I can understand why. People just don't want to like WP7, I think were part of the few.
But back on the subject at hand. Yes I'd say get the Evo 4g if your on sprint, because WP7 isn't coming to that carrier until mid 2011. IF your not on Sprint than try other carriers and them make your judgement off that.
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I wouldn't say apologetic. I'd say realistic. I just think that there is room for more than two operating systems as some people on this forum think. They view every consumer as a power user when it's far from true. Jailbreaking probably will happen but whenever I decide to buy a Windows Phone I'm not sure I will need to. I'm honestly waiting for one that has 4G for Verizon which probably won't come for the second half of next year. For the time being, I'm perfectly content with my Incredible.
I'd actually suggest that the OP buy the EVO if they're getting an upgrade next year anyway. By then there should be a great selection of 4G Windows phones if they so choose to go that way.
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I use it at least 20x a month.
A thought occurred to me recently: With Sprint becoming closer to Google lately (GV and Nexus S,) and their commitment to unlimited data (as well as mentioning that you could use the 4g network to replace your home broadband connection,) what is the likelihood of them not demanding that the handset manufacturers tightly lock down their phones?
Reason I ask is because on the Verizon network their android phones are being locked heavily from users rooting or replacing the roms on their phones. Motorola phones are especially bad with this, and HTC is starting to follow suit. But who is to blame, the handset manufacturer, or the carrier?
I know the google branded phones have been traditionally open to modification, even providing a hidden menu with a warranty disclaimer for doing just that. However that was with T-Mobil who has been very open with google in the past (and is about to be AT&Tized.)
I don't suppose anybody with any inside knowledge of sprint has anything to comment on this subject? It would be a very relevant question for those on this forum who are planning on buying the Evo 3D or the Nexus S, and planning on modifying them.
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A thought occurred to me recently: With Sprint becoming closer to Google lately (GV and Nexus S,) and their commitment to unlimited data (as well as mentioning that you could use the 4g network to replace your home broadband connection,) what is the likelihood of them not demanding that the handset manufacturers tightly lock down their phones?
Reason I ask is because on the Verizon network their android phones are being locked heavily from users rooting or replacing the roms on their phones. Motorola phones are especially bad with this, and HTC is starting to follow suit. But who is to blame, the handset manufacturer, or the carrier?
I know the google branded phones have been traditionally open to modification, even providing a hidden menu with a warranty disclaimer for doing just that. However that was with T-Mobil who has been very open with google in the past (and is about to be AT&Tized.)
I don't suppose anybody with any inside knowledge of sprint has anything to comment on this subject? It would be a very relevant question for those on this forum who are planning on buying the Evo 3D or the Nexus S, and planning on modifying them.
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I don't think "the people" with the information would want to openly post that "Sprint' doesn't care about rooting" because the fact is that they do. However, HTC was locked down because, in my opinion, it's a Verizon phone (thunderbolt)
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Where have they stated this? And for what reasons have they specifically noted?
I'm pretty sure he works for sprint
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.
He does work for Sprint lol, he's our local Sprint guy.
They do care if you root your phone because it voids the warranty, but I do not believe they take the same attitude toward it that Verizon does. I hope it stays that way.
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He does work for Sprint lol, he's our local Sprint guy.
They do care if you root your phone because it voids the warranty, but I do not believe they take the same attitude toward it that Verizon does. I hope it stays that way.
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yea completely true notice as of late the only two phones outta HTC that have signature verifications is the Thunderbolt and Incredible S which both belong to Verizon
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/19/htc-thunderbolt-rooted-for-real-locked-files-nearly-sour-the-de/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/htc-locks-down-incredible-s-against-custom-roms-too-starts-a-fi/
but for now only time will tell
Verizon has always locked down their phones, I don't see the NS being as locked down, well have to see with the new evo.
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Verizon has always locked down their phones, I don't see the NS being as locked down, well have to see with the new evo.
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the nexus will not be locked down as it's a pure google phone. sprint will not have a say in this.
Nexus S is a Dev phone....most likely won't be locked down. Pretty sure Evo 3D won't be either. Sprint isn't a dictatorship.
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yea completely true notice as of late the only two phones outta HTC that have signature verifications is the Thunderbolt and Incredible S which both belong to Verizon
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/19/htc-thunderbolt-rooted-for-real-locked-files-nearly-sour-the-de/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/htc-locks-down-incredible-s-against-custom-roms-too-starts-a-fi/
but for now only time will tell
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Wrong. The Incredible S is NOT on Verizon. It is a GSM phone. The Verizon version is supposed to be called the Incredible 2 evidently.
So its not just a Verizon thing here and we can toss that reasoning for why they are locked out the window for now.
true... all i know is, we will have same full root in no time.
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Wrong. The Incredible S is NOT on Verizon. It is a GSM phone. The Verizon version is supposed to be called the Incredible 2 evidently.
So its not just a Verizon thing here and we can toss that reasoning for why they are locked out the window for now.
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There is a CDMA version of it out there somewhere too. Although it is still probably a moot point.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11555752&postcount=133
Fared Adib on The Engadget Show
For the 1st 25 minutes or so, Fared Adib (Development Lead for Sprint) speaks about Sprint devices and network. At about the 9 minute mark he speaks about your question. But keep in mind, this is a show with geeks, so he is going to spin doctor the question to please the crowd. But I think he may have known about the Nexus S at that point coming to Sprint considering this aired 22 November when the Nexus S was getting rumors of release dates for TMO. Do I think they will lock down future phones? Probably, but I like the fact that they have given Sprint customers an option for pure customization. Here is the link for the show that aired.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/22/the-engadget-show-015-sprints-fared-adib-google-tv-creator/
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There is a CDMA version of it out there somewhere too. Although it is still probably a moot point.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11555752&postcount=133
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yeah i know. just stating that just b/c the incridible S is locked doesn't mean its b/c VZ. And the likelihood of HTC doing this is greater since we see a phone on another network get locked.
Hopefully Sprint asks them to not do this to make it easier on you and the other dev's though.
take this with a grain of salt.....
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This Guy is called bluescreen and he works for sprint and here his what he had to say..
I wanted to express my appreciation to all who have been posting with excellent ideas/concerns with respect to next generation EVO. The show will answer most of the burning question out there, but remember, the cat is not out of the bag yet! So keep up with your wish list as we did with the original EVO almost a year ago. I am positive we will be working on fit and finish until launch day.
I am still packing spread sheets, data reports, and presentation for the big show. I am sure you all can understand this is a busy time. I'll be away for a bit during that period. I'll still throw out some bites from my EVO 4G of course, but were confident the show will have most of the important questions answered.
I will be focusing more on the technical aspects. There is no way a person could stand on stage and talk about DLNA for 20+min. and cover other important aspect of the device.
Let's quash some rumors up front. The screen will be 4.3in Qhd 3d screen. The actual form factor of the EVO 3d will measure up a bit smaller. Good thing for those still wearing jeans with small pockets. We couldn't shrink the over all size that much, because we understand that people want protective cases and we didn’t want this to interfere with the touch screen. The feeling is we have a good balance, where you guys feel as though it's just one big screen in your hand, but very portable. I can say it works really well when playing around with the 3D camera's. Move the camera's in and out when video recording a person face, it does an excellent job of making the face appear as though it is protruding out of EVO 3D's qhd screen. (Weird, especially if it's Dan H)
Big news that nobody is talking about is DLNA and DRM.
DRM: EVOtees have been clammering for Netflix, Hulu, and Blockbuster. You all know that it’s been slow going due to DRM issues. This will not be the case with EVO 3D. Scorpion chipset and some back door work not only enabled this, but polished to a point of being effortless. DRM validation is instantaneous. You go to your favorite Digital content provider, handshakes with DRM on your EVO 3D and your done. Login to your account, your streaming! I thought it was a load of you know what with original EVO. Original EVO will have this feature as well.
DLNA: This technology has been out for some time, but I feel sense UI 2.0 has been able to put the polish it needs to shine. The DRM issue resolved, DLNA will not only allow for digital content to stream to EVO 3D, but to any DLNA certified HDTV/PC monitor/DLNA Mobile device. I am sure your asking what does that mean and how does it apply to us? (Example) Sitting in a local coffee shop, your friend is sporting HTC View tab and you HTC EVO 3D. You ask if your friend has seen this movie.(No) You say start up HTC Media Link and we can check out together. Both of you are watching the same movie on your "OWN" device having a cup of Joe.
HTC Media link will be incorperated in both View and EVO. So far we have tested and ran. 720p/1080p/BMP/GIF/JPEG/XVID/3GP/WMV/MPEG4/H.263/H.264 video formats and Audio: WMA/AAC/MP3/ACC+
So far we are just working on the GUI for improved user interface. Functionality certified, and expected at launch.
Root: I know there is concern out there that "I don't want to have to root my EVO to do XYZ" Every effort is being made to include everything possible up front for EVO 3D right out of the box. (Netflix, Hulu, Full hdmi mirroring, and HTC Media Link) I still need acknowledge Dev community. They have not only kept EVO 4G fresh, vibrant, but more importantly relevant. We want to respect the efforts of the DEV community and honor why android OS is about choice. That is why EVO 3D will not be shipping with a boot loader lock.
Bluetooth: larger library, we herd, we listen, and we going to deliver. (fingers crossed) We are in the process of setting up a library targeting specifically for k/b, mouse, and yes game pads. I mentioned in an early post w/new sense UI 2.0 EVO 3D will be more at home than ever in landscape mode. We have simultaneously used bluetooth k/b mouse combo with DLNA in the back ground. You can look up Netflix movies w/mouse/kb and stream it to DLNA HDTV. We’ve been listening.
I know on the thread somebody mentioned they would like more on board memory cause XYZ phone has 16gig on board memory. Cost is important factor to consider, because we know we need to make EVO 3D appealing to everyone. Most devices with a 16gig, 32gig, have the option of a removable sdcard. DRM improvements has allowed us to enhance app2sd. Once again, were early in the game as silicon improves, it's a simple matter of swapping out die's. So there is a potential of improvement, if we can do it, and keep cost to the consumer in mind, it will happen. I am sure you all have herd of 128gig sdcard and were working on getting that implemented for original EVO through either the Dev community or OTA. EVO 3D can't talk about that.
fps lock: Not on EVO 3D. Dual core processors, larger battery, more efficient Adreno GPU made this a non issue.
Last but not least, on a lighter note, EVO 3D printing money? Not in our life time! Sprint does have some great programs supporting EVO 3D, like $125 dollars off to port over a new cell number, premier customer program, and mail in rebate. That is about as close EVO 3D will get to printing money! (Enjoyed YouTube Clip too.)
Now it’s time for a fine scotch/cigar and catch a plane in the morning.
Enjoy the show! Cheers,
BSOD(>-_0<)
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Would seem like Sprint will be soon the carrier to go for all things developers.
After the success of the 1st evo here on XDA, I can't see them locking the boot loader and screwing up their reputation...idk just my 2 cents
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For the 1st 25 minutes or so, Fared Adib (Development Lead for Sprint) speaks about Sprint devices and network. At about the 9 minute mark he speaks about your question. But keep in mind, this is a show with geeks, so he is going to spin doctor the question to please the crowd. But I think he may have known about the Nexus S at that point coming to Sprint considering this aired 22 November when the Nexus S was getting rumors of release dates for TMO. Do I think they will lock down future phones? Probably, but I like the fact that they have given Sprint customers an option for pure customization. Here is the link for the show that aired.
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Does sound like they want to be root friendly given Adib's comments, and if O.M.J's post is to be believed (he did say take it with a grain of salt) then that would pretty much nail it. Hopefully this is all true.
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Does sound like they want to be root friendly given Adib's comments, and if O.M.J's post is to be believed (he did say take it with a grain of salt) then that would pretty much nail it. Hopefully this is all true.
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OMJ's post is quoting the BSOD buy on the other forum that is in the process of being a complete fraud according to a lot of people.
hence the grain of salt
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Sprint has no plans on locking any phones down. Even With sprint getting closer to Google. : ) I know this because i work for sprint lol.
ignore this post. go to the general forums instead and answer it. i accidentally posted twice. please remove.
Have you ever given Swype a whirl? I wasn't a fan of virtual keyboards either until I started using Swype. It came stock with my G2, would it come with the G2X too?
I have a G2 and love it, but I wish it didn't come with the keyboard, it adds a lot of bulk. If you could stand it, I'd say wait.
G2x is dual core, therefore slightly more future proof than the g2. If those are your only choices and you can deal without a hardware keyboard, go g2x. But you really need to play with both.
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G2x is dual core, therefore slightly more future proof than the g2. If those are your only choices and you can deal without a hardware keyboard, go g2x. But you really need to play with both.
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Dual core gives a bit of a performance boost. But the G2X is an LG phone, and therefore probably isn't going to see a lot of developer support. At least not anywhere on the order of HTC devices. Developer support and up-to-date ROMs is better future proofing then just a slightly faster CPU, IMO. LG phones are also pretty consistently underwhelming. Their phones are just not that good. If not for the dual network support of the G2X, I'd say G2 all the way.
i do know that g2x does come with swype preinstalled.
could i try out a g2, and if i dont like it, go to a g2x? and vice versa?
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Dual core gives a bit of a performance boost. But the G2X is an LG phone, and therefore probably isn't going to see a lot of developer support. At least not anywhere on the order of HTC devices. Developer support and up-to-date ROMs is better future proofing then just a slightly faster CPU, IMO. LG phones are also pretty consistently underwhelming. Their phones are just not that good. If not for the dual network support of the G2X, I'd say G2 all the way.
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LG was underwhelming because they were mainly in the budget game before. Also, their software skills are at the script kiddie level. Unless you REALLY need a keyboard then I would say G2X or Optimus 3D. That extra screen real estate makes more of a difference than you would think.
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meh, i dont care about screen real estate either. besides, lgs skin is going to be taken off, g2x is mostly stock, besides the obvious bloatware planted by tmobile.
if you have plans to root or any of that good stuff I say go for the LG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z59oQcIgF94&feature=player_embedded
actually based off this video the G2x will NOT run stock android, as you can see at 1:40 it has samsungs touch UI on it... but earlier in the video you will also notice that the notification bars are changing.... for example look at :24 and then 1:03.... i honestly have no idea what it all means
G2X looks hella ugly. My vote goes to the G2.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z59oQcIgF94&feature=player_embedded
actually based off this video the G2x will NOT run stock android, as you can see at 1:40 it has samsungs touch UI on it... but earlier in the video you will also notice that the notification bars are changing.... for example look at :24 and then 1:03.... i honestly have no idea what it all means
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i dunno about that, but according to this video it is running stock. which the G series is known for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXBSu_1jUkg&feature=channel_video_title
Anyways i'd definitly go with the g2x or one of the upcomming 3d phones vs getting a G2 right now which i currently have. i also came from a G1 and im tellin ya, the keyboards not that important anymore. sometimes i feel slower flipping it and actually typing it then just a few taps or swipes, i dont have much to say while texting. and i dont email much from it. with 4" screen im sure the screens accuracy would do justice. The hardware should more than make up for most of what dev's usually work on. I already feel that way about the g2. In the G1 it's exciting because it can get so much improvement, you feel like your actually turning a piece of **** into a chocolate bar (just a metaphor i love the G1), while the G2 you already feel like your just turning your chocolate bar into a different brand, or your adding nuts. So why not just buy the richest chocolate it has the potential to taste the best. Just my 2 cents, you might think totally different or use your phone different.
I like my G2 but If I were buying now I'd probably get the G2X.
The G2 keyboard isn't that great (compared to the G1 keyboard anyways), thanks to that and the awesomeness of Swype I rarely use the physical keyboard.
Dual Core will give the G2X more life, it will still perform well 2 years from now on whatever version of Android is out then, the G2 may be getting pretty winded by this point.
It's true that right now LG phones haven't seen the developer support that HTC phones have, but I expect the newer, higher end Android phones will attract some attention and HTC's increasingly more restrictive security measures will curb developer interest there. Of course this is 90% speculation at this point.
Personally I am going to wait for htc to drop htc G3 or another android phone with a physical keyboard. I do not need any faster phone. Nor I play games. I just text a lot and browse webs.
I don't think saving few sec browsing apps and loading games worth 300 -400dollars so I am keeping the g2.
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eunkipark92 said:
Personally I am going to wait for htc to drop htc G3 or another android phone with a physical keyboard. I do not need any faster phone. Nor I play games. I just text a lot and browse webs.
I don't think saving few sec browsing apps and loading games worth 300 -400dollars so I am keeping the g2.
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There was roughly 2 years between the release of the G1 and the G2, if following the same schedule that doesn't see the "G3" before fall 2012, if the AT&T merger does complete (which I think is likely because we have the best government money can buy) it's extremely unlikely that there will be new TMO phones coming out after that.
TrueYears said:
if you have plans to root or any of that good stuff I say go for the LG
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And why is that?
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raitchison said:
There was roughly 2 years between the release of the G1 and the G2, if following the same schedule that doesn't see the "G3" before fall 2012, if the AT&T merger does complete (which I think is likely because we have the best government money can buy) it's extremely unlikely that there will be new TMO phones coming out after that.
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That makes no sense...why would they not have a follow up to a well liked phone? Not only do they have more customer but also the ability to offer more devices than any other carrier? Seems like good business to me
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Spastic909 said:
That makes no sense...why would they not have a follow up to a well liked phone? Not only do they have more customer but also the ability to offer more devices than any other carrier? Seems like good business to me
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T-Mobile likely won't exist anymore (assuming the merger goes through) and AT&T will be working hard to bring every TMO customer into the AT&T fold. They will have very little motivation to sell a successor to a uniquely T-Mobile phone.
While I do expect AT&T to have a better selection of Android phones than they have historically that isn't a tremendously difficult bar to exceed.
Right now there are 12 Android phones (not counting tablets, color variations or unreleased devices like the G2x or Sidekick) for T-Mobile and 6 available for AT&T, no way they will have 18 or anywhere close to that post merger, I'd expect a selection that's better than AT&Ts but not as good as TMO (maybe 10 or so at any given time).
The only hope that we as consumers have is that now that AT&T has lost iPhone exclusivity that AT&T will dramatically change it's stance towards Android and embrace it instead of offering a crappy selection of gimped phones (the Atrix gives me some hope, for all that it too is gimped)
Even if AT&T does offer a phone called the "G3" it will more than likely be a mediocre phone with a crappy keyboard (think backflip).
Maybe if we are lucky TMO will have already invested enough into the G3 before the merge completes that AT&T decides to release it, after they block application installation of course.
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T-Mobile likely won't exist anymore (assuming the merger goes through) and AT&T will be working hard to bring every TMO customer into the AT&T fold. They will have very little motivation to sell a successor to a uniquely T-Mobile phone.
While I do expect AT&T to have a better selection of Android phones than they have historically that isn't a tremendously difficult bar to exceed.
Right now there are 12 Android phones (not counting tablets, color variations or unreleased devices like the G2x or Sidekick) for T-Mobile and 6 available for AT&T, no way they will have 18 or anywhere close to that post merger, I'd expect a selection that's better than AT&Ts but not as good as TMO (maybe 10 or so at any given time).
The only hope that we as consumers have is that now that AT&T has lost iPhone exclusivity that AT&T will dramatically change it's stance towards Android and embrace it instead of offering a crappy selection of gimped phones (the Atrix gives me some hope, for all that it too is gimped)
Even if AT&T does offer a phone called the "G3" it will more than likely be a mediocre phone with a crappy keyboard (think backflip).
Maybe if we are lucky TMO will have already invested enough into the G3 before the merge completes that AT&T decides to release it, after they block application installation of course.
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I disagree on this outlook, I dont think AT&T would do that, it's just a really bad business move, why would you buy a business out if you are just trying to kill it, especially with verizon and sprint around. That is already the motive as a competitor. You buy the company because it has something valuable to you. The G series and mytouch is one of Tmobiles biggest branded phones and recieve lots of customers, im sure they would keep it that way. they'd probably just change the name of the phone.
and AT&T is not going to give up apple's iphone by choice. That would be a ridiculous move.
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I disagree on this outlook, I dont think AT&T would do that, it's just a really bad business move, why would you buy a business out if you are just trying to kill it, especially with verizon and sprint around. That is already the motive as a competitor. You buy the company because it has something valuable to you. The G series and mytouch is one of Tmobiles biggest branded phones and recieve lots of customers, im sure they would keep it that way. they'd probably just change the name of the phone.
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AT&T has already said that the main reason they are buying TMO is so they can use the wireless spectrum TMO currently uses for 3G and "4G" for their LTE buildout. Sure the customers are nice and AT&T will indeed make some efforts to keep those customers (churn is expensive) but I'm sure that unifying the brand will be a higher priority.
The G series isn't really notable apart from the G1 being the first Android phone to market. As for the MyTouch "brand", that one has always been a head scratcher is to it's reason to exist. I'll be nothing short of amazed it it continues post merger. I would not be surprised to see existing MyTouch devices receive token rebranding immediately following the merger close to kill off the MyTouch brand quickly.
and AT&T is not going to give up apple's iphone by choice. That would be a ridiculous move.
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Never said they would dump the iPhone, what I meant was that hopefully they will feel less compelled to intentionally cripple their android offerings as they have done in the past.
(Note: I'm not new to Android. My recent phone history is HTC Touch Pro -> Palm Pre -> HTC Evo -> Samsung Epic -> Another Evo -> Nexus S 4G -> Epic 4G Touch and I generally spend more time modding than using it.)
Overall, I'm in love with Android. What I haven't been in love with is Samsung. IMO, The radios act up more, their release cycle sucks and now with my Epic 4G Touch losing connectivity and forcing me to reboot just to make sure it works has me at a place I've never been before.
So today I sit with another new phone on my desk, this time its an iPhone 4S.
I've used an iPad, The company issued me a MBP, so I'm not anti-Apple, but I've always sort of looked at the iPhone's as just...well....smart phones for dumb people. But like all technology, aren't we all better if we learn as much as we can?
So, if you were in my shoes, would you esn swap onto the iPhone 4S for the time being and wait until the next best Android thing that isn't Samsung, or ride out the storm and pray Samsung actually releases a fix to all there manufacturing problems? Would you trade the ability to tinker for the ability to have something reliable?
I realize I'm asking in a forum dedicated to Android, mostly because I need to be pulled back from the brink.
SOMEBODY SAVE ME! (or not)
You said it yourself its a smartphone for dumb people. Not a bad phone but I would just feel bad about myself using it. I would feel like a fan boy and it seems like your main issue here is LOS. Just use the LOS kernal and you wont have any issues I rarely lose signal using it with starburst.
IMO use the iPhone....it seems like it might be a fit for you based on your post.
However I am losing faith in sprint and their network, I am moving to Verizon ASAP might get the galaxy nexus or the RAZAR becuase at my work I get 20Mb down on LET.....yes 20!!!!....but it averages 15 to 17 down. Get out of sprint is what you need to do.
I wouldn't consider switching smartphone OSes on a temporary basis simply because of the app stores. I can't afford to repurchase all the apps I rely on on a new OS. That means I'd be running it in a limited capacity, avoiding purchasing the apps that would max out the enjoyment of the phone for me, knowing I'd eventually give it up and all the money I spent on it.
I think for some people going iPhone is legitimate and reasonable. It works better for certain personalities or needs. I don't begrudge that. But I've doubled-down on Android, and just like people wouldn't leave iPods because it meant losing all their music, I can't just switch OSes any time I want without thinking about the app investment.
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I wouldn't consider switching smartphone OSes on a temporary basis simply because of the app stores. I can't afford to repurchase all the apps I rely on on a new OS. That means I'd be running it in a limited capacity, avoiding purchasing the apps that would max out the enjoyment of the phone for me, knowing I'd eventually give it up and all the money I spent on it.
I think for some people going iPhone is legitimate and reasonable. It works better for certain personalities or needs. I don't begrudge that. But I've doubled-down on Android, and just like people wouldn't leave iPods because it meant losing all their music, I can't just switch OSes any time I want without thinking about the app investment.
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I would agree, if I didn't already have an Android tablet
Its true what you say about doubling down. Its like owning a Canon camera, all the lenses, and then trying to switch to Nikon.
I understand your fustration with LOS, but there is a way that your phone can reboot automatically when you get a LOS and it will let you know it did so. I use Starburst v1.8 with the LostKernel and I haven't seen a LOS even happen in 4 days where it use to be once a day, but when it does happen my setup takes care of it. Reboots automatically and I don't have to do anything manually - don't miss a beat.
Check out this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18728533&postcount=3022
I don't worry about LOS anymore and this phone kicks AS-phalt
We have a crackberry att, iphone 3gs att(now cancelled), epic touch 4g, and xperia play verizon. Love me some tech stuff, including all sorts of phones, no matter who makes them. After having an iphone in the house for 2+yrs, would I get rid of the epic touch, no way. Its funny that my verizon phone will drop calls while the epic keeps on ticking, so much for verizons reliable service here in Houston. If I lose signal on the touch, I have noticed I also lose signal on verizon. I just wish Sprint would get on the ball and improve the speeds to compete with big red. Best of luck in whatever you decide.
wow, another thread on this subject...
you obviously like android, and, claim to spend more time customizing your phone than actually using it; you should have read the tons of posts about how folks are dealing with their LOS.
No one here can make up your mind, except YOU...
I'm It manager for my work. No more Androids for our company. Way too many support calls for them. If someone wants Android, we will configure it once for ActiveSync/exchange and there after they are on their own, we will give them PDFs of common problems and fixes but has time goes on those PDFs will just get out of date. I don't even want BlackBerry anymore. Since everyone wants an IPhone and the cost is the same, that's our company phone. We get very little support calls about them. We will replace a broken iPhone once and the next time it is the employee's problem to replace it or will take the cost of the new one from their paycheck over a few checks.
What do I use...E4GT, I have a company issued iPhone I use to test company apps on but it generally sits in a drawer. My number is a Google Voice number so it does not matter which phone I grab during the day.
I've also owned many Android phones and I made the switch from the Epic Touch to the iPhone 4s. I'm not gonna lie, I do miss the tinkering, however, when the jailbreak is released for this phone, I think I'll be all good then.
Unlike the epic touch I have not had any issues with the iPhone at all. Everything works flawlessly from the start.
In addition, like previous poster posted above me... We also have Android devices for our work phones and almost everyday people are having issues with them. They switched us over from Blackberry's because we're starting to use google for everything.... Google docs, gmail, etc.
Furthermore I honestly don't think that the iPhone is for people who are dumb to android and/ or tinkering. I for one don't like the upgrade process for android devices. And if I'm stuck in a contract for two years with a phone, i want it to be supported for those two years. you get an iPhone you can expect it to still get updates... Look at the iPhone 3GS. When you get an android device there's no way you know for sure of your phone is going to get the next update.... Look at the epic 4g. And I know devs can put out leaked roms, but I'm talking about official updates.
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Zzim said:
You said it yourself its a smartphone for dumb people. Not a bad phone but I would just feel bad about myself using it. I would feel like a fan boy and it seems like your main issue here is LOS. Just use the LOS kernal and you wont have any issues I rarely lose signal using it with starburst.
IMO use the iPhone....it seems like it might be a fit for you based on your post.
However I am losing faith in sprint and their network, I am moving to Verizon ASAP might get the galaxy nexus or the RAZAR becuase at my work I get 20Mb down on LET.....yes 20!!!!....but it averages 15 to 17 down. Get out of sprint is what you need to do.
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Sprint is supposed to get LTE advanced by 2013. Theoretical 1 gbs when you are stationary and 100 mbs when moving. In the real word it won't be as fast, but damn.
Sprint to roll out LTE-Advanced network by mid-2013. http://m.bgr.com/2011/10/26/sprint-to-roll-out-lte-advanced-network-by-mid-2013/
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Have you tried the stock pulled kernel? I've used that and now using the Stock pulled with CWM5 and No LOS on either. Any other kernel I use that is put together from the source though will get me LoS within hours.
Same topic..different title. Smfh
I have the iPhone side by side with my E4GT since yesterday. My goal was to configure it as close as I could to being useful to see what I would and wouldn't miss. Here's my non-fanboi list of things Android does that I can't live without:
Turn by Turn SatNav - Google does it better and the alternatives are laughable.
Google Integration - The up and down integration with contacts and other information on Google has become indispensable to me.
Icon Manipulation - I can live without a lot of the customization, but its hilarious that Apple forces you to an "always sorted, top-left to bottom-right" icon grid. Sometimes a brother just wants to have some icons above his dock.
To be fair, these are some things I noticed I could see myself liking about the iPhone:
Notification dropdown is a little more involved. Good to see Apple isn't hypocritical about stealing interface design anymore
iOS apps are first-class citizens. Almost every app that you can get on both devices is significantly more polished on iOS. For shame, developers.
Holy crap the camera is FAST
Interestingly, Google Maps looks nicer on the iPhone.
So in comparison, I like the iPhone because it feels a little more refined, but I like Android because OF Google.
I am going to reformat my E4GT again to the latest Starburst (am on 1.4 and ZedoMax) and see if I get any better performance.
Thanks everyone!
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Same topic..different title. Smfh
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And yet 90% of the comments are rational and on-topic. I appreciate all the feedback that's contributed.