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Sprint TP2 confirmed! Pictures included

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...-sprint-spotted-in-the-wild-mid-june-release/
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=187569
all I can say is, WOW! Wish I had sprint right now

Roflcopterrr said:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...-sprint-spotted-in-the-wild-mid-june-release/
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=187569
all I can say is, WOW! Wish I had sprint right now
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not me. they, as expected, removed the front camera, and i dont really care for the new color/look of it. Im still getting an unlocked one.

Looks cool to me. The back cover looks funky! Shame about the front camera tho.

Lyian said:
not me. they, as expected, removed the front camera, and i dont really care for the new color/look of it. Im still getting an unlocked one.
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Does any US carrier leave the front camera on any of their devices?
I'm surprised there's still no word on it from at&t...

fone_fanatic said:
Does any US carrier leave the front camera on any of their devices?
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No, because none of them support video calling.

ajbopp said:
No, because none of them support video calling.
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Any of them can support it. The real reason they don't leave them in is because they don't want video calls lagging up their network. They don't have enough of a 3G foundation in place to feel secure with the concept. As long as the software is available (and it is), we could have it. I don't blame them, but it still pisses me off that I can't have it.

Poke_N_PDA said:
Any of them can support it. The real reason they don't leave them in is because they don't want video calls lagging up their network. They don't have enough of a 3G foundation in place to feel secure with the concept. As long as the software is available (and it is), we could have it. I don't blame them, but it still pisses me off that I can't have it.
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I wouldnt even use it over 3g, if i were to use it, id only be over wi-fi in hotspots. In all realness, i doubt id even use that camrea much, but i just hate it when i see one device, that has removed features for (what equates to) the same price.

The front camera isn't much of a big deal really. Don't let it stop you from getting the phone. It looks really cool. I won't mind having it but it doesn't support our 2100 3G networks. . I hardly use my fron camera on the HD. The novelty wears off really quicky. Also video calls cost a lot and you need to be on the same network to get cheaper calls. I only used it once to test it out and never used it again. Mainly because most of my friends won't take video calls cos it cost them money. LOL.

Damn, Mid June?? Thats right around the corner! Looks like Sprint is corning the market in June of 2009. Time to buy some Sprint stock.... weeeeeeeeee
Then sell it!!!

Well, with the 2 hottest QWERTY handsets out this June (Palm Pre and TP2), I am sure Sprint will be very popular this summer.

I am soooooooo happy about this. With this being a CDMA/GSM Hybrid I'll get to have my cake (Sprint) and eat it too (the world)!

Hehehhe! As far as video calling goes, do we really need it? No, I mean, who are we going to call that actually has video calling in the US? May be a handful of business users MIGHT have it on a hard line. Engadget is reporting on a June release for the TP2 but (hold your horses, bad news) this FCC doc https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1113590&native_or_pdf=pdf clearly states a confidentiality release date of October 31st, 2009! Weird, huh? I mean, things change but I still think it'll be a Q4 release like originally anticipated (leaked for internal Sprint roadmap earlier)

I suspect that's business as usual, though I don't know for sure. But it would make sense to request that sort of thing for several months past the release date as a contingency for a last minute need for change of plans regarding rollout. I don't see this as in any way restricting a carrier or HTC from releasing the phone before the date stated.

sino8r said:
Hehehhe! As far as video calling goes, do we really need it? No, I mean, who are we going to call that actually has video calling in the US?
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for me, thats not so much the point as, i just dont like features, useful or not, being taken away from something with out it being replaced by something else.. and sorry, a sprint/t-mobile/att logo isn't an adequate replacement for a camera. Maybe i wont use it, but i always like it when something is there, and not use it, rather than if something wasn't their, and i needed it.

Does anyone else think the release date is suspect? I want some confirmation first from Sprint as it would make no sense to release 2 smartphones like the Pre and TP2 in the same release time frame, they would hurt each other's sales. Also, Palm has been known for business devices, so saying the Pre is consumer based and the TP2 is business focused would not sell it for me...I'm sure hoping this isn't like when people rumored the Pre as early as April and it got pushed back little by little...personally I can't stand my TP any more as I'm having major problems and would do anything to trade it in for a TP2 sooner instead of later (may have to resort to a Pre if the TP2 doesn't truly come in June).

fadywwf316 said:
Does anyone else think the release date is suspect? I want some confirmation first from Sprint as it would make no sense to release 2 smartphones like the Pre and TP2 in the same release time frame, they would hurt each other's sales. Also, Palm has been known for business devices, so saying the Pre is consumer based and the TP2 is business focused would not sell it for me...I'm sure hoping this isn't like when people rumored the Pre as early as April and it got pushed back little by little...personally I can't stand my TP any more as I'm having major problems and would do anything to trade it in for a TP2 sooner instead of later (may have to resort to a Pre if the TP2 doesn't truly come in June).
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It was confirmed by Sprint, in a roundabout way, when this was first announced. A Sprint employee said a high level Sprint sales rep demo'd the phone, and said the release date was June.
Sprint is apparently coming out with the Pre, Snap, and TP2 all within a few weeks of each other. This does make sense if you think about it, because they are all very different form factors and each is likely to appeal to different sorts of customers (I wouldn't touch the Pre or Snap with a 10 foot pole - Pre has an untried, little supported OS, and Snap has a keyboard design I personally can't stand - But I can't wait to get my hands on the TP2). It's unlikely, I think, that they will hurt each other's sales. If Sprint can generate some real mass enthusiasm across three different phone styles all at the same, it's probably going to be to Sprint's benefit to have all the buzz being around them instead of the other guys.
Marketing guys will tell you it will even be an advantage to have negative buzz ("love the Pre but they are sold out till August! Dammit!"). No such thing as bad publicity and all.
Sprint really needs to get people talking about them, and not Verizon and AT&T. I think this stands a good chance of being a brilliant strategy.

Valicore said:
I am soooooooo happy about this. With this being a CDMA/GSM Hybrid I'll get to have my cake (Sprint) and eat it too (the world)!
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And this is the thing that finally pushed me over the edge. I end up using CDMA locally and GSM on the road, and I have always kept two phones around: this will *finally* put an end to this. 'Cause honestly, it would be hard to justify the purchase absent that: the hardware underpinning the device is nearly the same as my Touch Pro.

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And this is the thing that finally pushed me over the edge. I end up using CDMA locally and GSM on the road, and I have always kept two phones around: this will *finally* put an end to this. 'Cause honestly, it would be hard to justify the purchase absent that: the hardware underpinning the device is nearly the same as my Touch Pro.
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unless you mean "on the road" as in foreign countries, I think the GSM radio will be disabled except outside of the US according to the fcc filing.

Free country
ckeegan said:
unless you mean "on the road" as in foreign countries, I think the GSM radio will be disabled except outside of the US according to the fcc filing.
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I so sure the fine folks of the hacking and unlocking communities wont let that go, we should have the best of both worlds in the same country -----ITS A FREE COUNTRY!! HOOK IT UP BARACK!!!!

from what i've learned by poking around the CDMA phones require a different firmware correct? among other small things?
i would assume this means less support since it seems like a majority of the genius's here use GSM phones.
right wrong? just being silly?

HTC is crap...

Man so I just saw a video review of Droid X over Android Central and the Moto X got 60fps out of the box without any hacks. But with HTC the devs gotta hack it. Yeah yeah I know some peeps would say we don't need 60fps, but hell for me even if I only get 40fps with nova hack, things seem so much smoother.

vboyz103 said:
Man so I just saw a video review of Droid X over Android Central and the Moto X got 60fps out of the box without any hacks. But with HTC the devs gotta hack it. Yeah yeah I know some peeps would say we don't need 60fps, but hell for me even if I only get 40fps with nova hack, things seem so much smoother.
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Yeah, I'm pissed off with my EVO! or I should say HTC!!! I've emailed them about 3 times now and still no reply in regards to the 30 frame rates per second cap. I'm going to wait until the 3rd of July and return my evo and wait for the sprint samsung galaxy version... i read there's going to be 2 versions, a pro with the qwerty and a keyboard less. Also i read the processor in it is identical to that of the iphone 4. This is bull HTC, i expected the best from the evo until the 2nd day i had my evo and saw my palm pre plays 3d games 10 times better than the evo.

I feel what you guys are saying, but how many of us would have known about this issue so early on had it not been for the members here bringing it to our attention, I would have probably caught it later on and not so soon. And yes it is very snappy with the hack.
Also I'm pretty sure sprint is only getting the QWERTY flavored Galaxy S. Samsung also doesn't have a very good track record with keeping up with their devices on a timely fashion. I left MOMENT due to that and went HTC, not like sprint has an variety of big named devices anyway. I'm pretty sure emailing HTC at this point is a waste of time seeing as they already stated they capped it for *their* reasons. This isn't a problem for me since the devs are working on fixes even tho it isn't their job. I'm not an average user so tweaking and twiddling with my phone is all good for me. But I can see how to an average user this would be an issue if they even decide to care.
I really don't know how any of you guys expect to by any smart phone or gadget for that matter and have it work flawlessly without fault. I still can't get over people getting bent about some light warpage that you only see in dark areas but hey thats just me.

Samsung has pledged to focus more on their Android devices so I would imagine that their past issues with not updating will be resolved...
I'm really wanting the Galaxy S Pro... It takes every other Android phone to task.

take the phone back jump to Verizon and move on SIMPLE !

vboyz103 said:
Man so I just saw a video review of Droid X over Android Central and the Moto X got 60fps out of the box without any hacks. But with HTC the devs gotta hack it.
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Because ONE "flaw" with ONE phone (which is, by the the way, the FIRST batch of the FIRST generation of this phone) obviously means the company as a whole is just garbage?

go4the1 said:
Because ONE "flaw" with ONE phone (which is, by the the way, the FIRST batch of the FIRST generation of this phone) obviously means the company as a whole is just garbage?
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One phone? Uhhh.......

EtherealRemnant said:
One phone? Uhhh.......
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yes, this is the EVO 4G forum. When I say one phone I think it's implied I'm talking about the model as a whole.

go4the1 said:
yes, this is the EVO 4G forum. When I say one phone I think it's implied I'm talking about the model as a whole.
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You emphasized one phone as if meaning to say that HTC hasn't ****ed up on just about every other phone they've ever put out as well...

IMO the grass is not greener at Samsung. I have had the i760 and the Moment and each time I swapped them for the HTC equivilent at the time.
Every device has issues, but at least HTC hacks are much easier to come by...the evidence is in the size of the XDA forums.
The only thing I like better about Samsung is that the hardware is less flimsey, but HTC has gotten better at it over the last year.

EtherealRemnant said:
You emphasized one phone as if meaning to say that HTC hasn't ****ed up on just about every other phone they've ever put out as well...
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I emphasized "one" phone because when you translate his post to English, the rant is:
The entire company "HTC" is crap as a whole because one of their phones has a 30fps cap on graphics.
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...which is obviously untrue.

Guys, we know that the cap is software imposed. It can be fixed. Sure, HTC screwed up by imposing a 30FPS cap, but nothing matches the QQing the iPhone 4 users are making right now. (Seriously, glass back and front? Antennae shorting?)
Basically, the cap will be broken completely soon. It is HTC's fault they imposed such a dumb cap in the first place, but calling the company crap because of that is kind of uncalled for.

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Guys, we know that the cap is software imposed. It can be fixed. Sure, HTC screwed up by imposing a 30FPS cap, but nothing matches the QQing the iPhone 4 users are making right now. (Seriously, glass back and front? Antennae shorting?)
Basically, the cap will be broken completely soon. It is HTC's fault they imposed such a dumb cap in the first place, but calling the company crap because of that is kind of uncalled for.
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+1 exactly my point.
OP, play with an evo for a few minutes and then try to say that the (temporary) 30fps cap really makes a difference to the overall experience of the device.

Just go buy the droid x and don't spend your precious time here to tell us how you hate HTC and the EVO because you have so much experience with the Droid X to says its so much better.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

You know, I bought this phone cash for 500 bucks... I'm a big gamer and would really like to play most of the 3d games gameloft has to offer and with the evo capped at 30 frp second, I'm **** out of luck! CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT, but i want my moneys worth and for the look HTC does not care to fix this issue. I just hope the galaxy s delivers where the evo failed to. And for the record, I bought ASPHAL 5 for my evo on the second day I owned it and IT PLAYS LIKE ****!!!! It did not have to come here to figure this out.

EtherealRemnant said:
Samsung has pledged to focus more on their Android devices so I would imagine that their past issues with not updating will be resolved...
I'm really wanting the Galaxy S Pro... It takes every other Android phone to task.
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I'm actually waiting to see how thick the S Pro is. If it is pretty thin I might check it out, even though I will probably never use the hardware keyboard. The GPU alone looks to be kicking all kinds of ass.

Kshawn said:
I feel what you guys are saying, but how many of us would have known about this issue so early on had it not been for the members here bringing it to our attention, I would have probably caught it later on and not so soon. And yes it is very snappy with the hack.
Also I'm pretty sure sprint is only getting the QWERTY flavored Galaxy S. Samsung also doesn't have a very good track record with keeping up with their devices on a timely fashion. I left MOMENT due to that and went HTC, not like sprint has an variety of big named devices anyway. I'm pretty sure emailing HTC at this point is a waste of time seeing as they already stated they capped it for *their* reasons. This isn't a problem for me since the devs are working on fixes even tho it isn't their job. I'm not an average user so tweaking and twiddling with my phone is all good for me. But I can see how to an average user this would be an issue if they even decide to care.
I really don't know how any of you guys expect to by any smart phone or gadget for that matter and have it work flawlessly without fault. I still can't get over people getting bent about some light warpage that you only see in dark areas but hey thats just me.
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You know, I bought this phone cash for 500 bucks... I'm a big gamer and would really like to play most of the 3d games gameloft has to offer and with the evo capped at 30 frp second, I'm **** out of luck! CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT, but i want my moneys worth and for the look HTC does not care to fix this issue. I just hope the galaxy s delivers where the evo failed to. And for the record, I bought ASPHAL 5 for my evo on the second day I owned it and IT PLAYS LIKE ****!!!! It did not have to come here to figure this out.

^Do you really need to post that twice?

I totally get that you want your monies worth, I mean who doesn't right? Also as stated we all would have figured it out sooner or later on our own about the caps one way or another. And yes I agree the cap is nonsense and we shouldn't just "make due" but if you bought the evo as a means for serious gaming I think you picked up the wrong device . But all In all I get everyone's point

adelaney said:
You're crap dude. Change your tampon.
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Oh snap! lol I'll be laughing about this remark til tomorrow.

[Q] Upgrade to EVO yes/no poll

There are a couple of threads on this out there, but I wanted to make a Poll.
So, right now I'm using my old HTC Hero with CM 6.1, and I love it. Rooting my phone made me fall in love with my smartphone all over again (it's my first smartphone).
So for those of you Sprint people, they told me that I can upgrade right now or when my contract is up, it won't matter: I will get the Evo for $200 with a new contract.
Before we dive in, do you know if this is really the cheapest option from Sprint? I am aware I could probably just buy an Evo from Ebay or something of the sort, but I'm a bit worried about doing that. Anyone has experience getting Evo somewhere else and can share?
I use my phone for a lot of things.. internet, calling, texting, games, even as a flashlight sometimes. I got myself an extra battery for this phone but I assume I will need a new one for the EVO. I see people asked about battery life, but seriously, I don't expect my phone to stay alive for more than 8 hours or so with all these apps running.
Next, what I like about the EVO is the better camera, and the fact that it has flash (I use my phone for pictures). Front facing camera is nice, haven't used it before, is it really worth it? Is chatting with it smooth, or is it slow as sh*t?
Keyboard - I used to hate the touch keyboard because it would freeze for split seconds and writing something would be frustrating. I still find it annoying to use the touch screen for typing because the buttons are so small. I have a feeling the evo would help with that, but perhaps I should wait for something with a real keyboard? Anyone knows of a good model that's suppose to come out, and when?
4G - I live in New York city. Anyone from around here knows if 4G is really available, or it just exists in very specific locations? Is it much faster? How do you like the fact that you can maintain data connection while making a call, is it a big deal? I don't barely actually use my phone for talking. I count on Gchat and texting.
Speed - There are speed issues with my phone right, especially when I run intense apps (angry birds is very choppy, for example, and Pandora can hang the entire system up), does the Evo take care of that?
Size - It's a big phone. To be honest, the weight and the size do not attract me, but I do realize that a bigger screen will be better to work with and might aid with the keyboard issue. Thoughts?
Rooting - How hard is it? I think CM runs on the EVO if memory serves right. I Rooted my Hero so I assume doing it to the EVO would not be much harder. Thoughts?
So yeah, these are some points I'm considering. Should I get it? And is there a cheaper (good!) way to get it?
Thanks for reading!

you posted in evo forum, expect biased answers, that said
you will love an evo! I had a hero first, still do. the batteries are the same,
the keyboard on the hero wasn't very accurate so typing was frustrating, on the evo it is splendid,
rooting is a breeze with unrevoked
no slowdowns at all for any apps, in any situation, I've been downloading while streaming pandora and playing games with no issue,
I highly recommend it, the evo changed the way I think of smartphones

I would wait to the end of march and see what sprint announces
Swyped from my cyanogenized and gingerbreaded EVO

I would wait as well. Some new phones should be coming out shortly
Sent from my Evo while i should be working

I doubt an Evo 2 will come out anytime soon. So yes. The new phone coming out is most likely the HTC Arrive, which is the HTC 7 Pro. That aside, the Evo is just f*cking awesome. Also for individual line upgrade, Amazon says $180 with free 2-day shipping: http://wireless.amazon.com/dp/B003N9B3CY

CTIA is soon. Sprint announces new phones at CTIA. So I would wait. Unless you want to buy one off contract on Ebay.

WAIT for something better.. This bad ass brick will soon be replaced and become just a plain old acme brick soon

I have a bad feeling Sprint isn't gonna have much this year as far as Android devices go... we will see. An Evo 2 would be bad ass or a dual core Samsung.
Sent from my Evolutionized Evo!

I don't care if Samsung comes out with a quad-core phone. I'm not touching that **** after what happened with the Galaxy S line.

they better come out with something that will at least compete with others phones (like the droid x::evo) otherwise they will have many unhappy customers who cancel and leave... hell they charge $10 for a premium phone now, how premium will the HTC EVO be come this Spring? (I don't want to pay for a "premium phone" when its outdated)
anyways sorry for the semi rant.. im slightly upset with sprint and their actions right now.

CTIA is guaranteed to give us something good. I am hoping for a Galaxy S2 or something equivalent. But then again... Sprint has been known to let you down. Tough call.

masterfuel said:
they better come out with something that will at least compete with others phones (like the droid x::evo) otherwise they will have many unhappy customers who cancel and leave... hell they charge $10 for a premium phone now, how premium will the HTC EVO be come this Spring? (I don't want to pay for a "premium phone" when its outdated)
anyways sorry for the semi rant.. im slightly upset with sprint and their actions right now.
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You aren't paying $10 for a premium phone. You are paying the $10 for the premium data package, and All smartphones on the sprint network will be paying the exact same fee, its not isolated to the Evo, Shift, or Epic, it will encompass the blackberry's and all other android phones that sprint carries.

On topic of best deals for the EVO, check RadioShack's online wireless store. It's going for $149.99 with free activation on new/upgrade subs. Or in-store, they require a trade-in of any old working phone with a charger to get the $149.99 price (check with your local stores if the deal still available).
IMHO, with all the new phones coming out, I would wait. I love my Evo, but I wouldn't get locked into a new 2-yr sub on a phone that is around 4mos shy of being a year old.

I would wait. EVO is nice but nothing compared to what other carriers are getting (Optimus). Hold out for a dual core device (hopefully from HTC).
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Product F(RED) said:
I don't care if Samsung comes out with a quad-core phone. I'm not touching that **** after what happened with the Galaxy S line.
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I agree with this. Samsung left a bad taste with me after having my epic with GPS issues, dropped keys and no 2.2 (till just recently)
Sent from my Evo while i should be working
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heck yea its amazing i was skeptical too till i played with one

I love my Evo. That said I think it would work perfect for everything you listed except for one. The Evo's camera pretty much sucks.
I have a release day Evo, so maybe the newer ones are a little better, but unless the pictures I have taken were in bright daylight they are almost unusable.

http://www.studentrate.com/STUDENTR...deals/Sprint-Student-Rate-Member-Discount--/0
Not sure if studentrate still offers $69.99 Evos.
ATM The Evo is the best phone for Sprint. If you want to wait for something better you can. Personally this is the best phone I've ever used. While it is on par or a little worse than some of the newer phones coming out, its been a year and they are finally catching up.
You also have to take into consideration how much longer the Evo is going to stay ahead or on par with these phones. We might be seeing Gingerbread and Sense 2.0 but that might be a long shot.
If you aren't having any issues with your Hero, I'd say stick with it for a few more months. See what comes out.

Thank you everyone, for the honest opinions. I got a lot of info.
Well, it's about a month later now, and I'm still on my HTC Hero. I just found out about the $10 extra, which I will be paying if I upgrade. My girlfriend has a big family plan on T-mobile, and after calculations, it seems I will be saving about $20 a month using a phone under her name, on T-mobile.
Of course, this means I need to ditch Sprint. I don't feel too bad after being on the Network for a year and being charged for extra if I want to upgrade. No serious official updates for their phones either, thank god I rooted mine, the best thing I've ever done to it.
I checked the T-mobile 2G today, and wasn't that impressed. I liked the keyboard, but the specs are not as good as the EVO. By the way, what are these issues I'm hearing about the EVO's camera? it's 8MP, how come it's so bad? I only have 5mp now, and so does the 2G. What are the specific issues you guys are having?
Right now I am going to find out just how much it will cost me to get out of Sprint, and if it's worth it (buying a new phone on T-mobile will cost me $100 extra over an upgrade in Sprint). What are some of the good T-mobile phones you guys think are good? Camera with flash is important to me, and so does screen size - two things I really like about the EVO. I do want a big screen. I would also like a keyboard if possible.
Anything changed in the market? New amazing Spring phones I'm not aware of, or T-Mobile? I am specifically interested in HTC, I'm not a big fan of Samsung or Motorola.

beholder121 said:
Thank you everyone, for the honest opinions. I got a lot of info.
Well, it's about a month later now, and I'm still on my HTC Hero. I just found out about the $10 extra, which I will be paying if I upgrade. My girlfriend has a big family plan on T-mobile, and after calculations, it seems I will be saving about $20 a month using a phone under her name, on T-mobile.
Of course, this means I need to ditch Sprint. I don't feel too bad after being on the Network for a year and being charged for extra if I want to upgrade. No serious official updates for their phones either, thank god I rooted mine, the best thing I've ever done to it.
I checked the T-mobile 2G today, and wasn't that impressed. I liked the keyboard, but the specs are not as good as the EVO. By the way, what are these issues I'm hearing about the EVO's camera? it's 8MP, how come it's so bad? I only have 5mp now, and so does the 2G. What are the specific issues you guys are having?
Right now I am going to find out just how much it will cost me to get out of Sprint, and if it's worth it (buying a new phone on T-mobile will cost me $100 extra over an upgrade in Sprint). What are some of the good T-mobile phones you guys think are good? Camera with flash is important to me, and so does screen size - two things I really like about the EVO. I do want a big screen. I would also like a keyboard if possible.
Anything changed in the market? New amazing Spring phones I'm not aware of, or T-Mobile? I am specifically interested in HTC, I'm not a big fan of Samsung or Motorola.
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See: http://www.androidcentral.com/sprin...ils-leaked-expect-evo-3d-evo-view-4g-and-xoom
CTIA is this coming Tuesday. Sprint's presentation is hours long. I'd be sure to keep your eye out on here and other tech news sites for what Sprint announces. If that Evo 3D becomes a reality, I'd imagine anyone would want to hold out for that instead of acquiring the Evo now only to have the Evo 3D replace it in months.
Furthremore, if looking into T-Mobile and leaving Sprint (which, as a biased member, I would be against!), keep in mind that at 3:15 PM EDT, a merger between AT&T and T-Mobile was announced, the former acquiring the latter.

[Q] g2 or g2x?

ignore this post. go to the general forums instead and answer it. i accidentally posted twice. please remove.

Have you ever given Swype a whirl? I wasn't a fan of virtual keyboards either until I started using Swype. It came stock with my G2, would it come with the G2X too?
I have a G2 and love it, but I wish it didn't come with the keyboard, it adds a lot of bulk. If you could stand it, I'd say wait.

G2x is dual core, therefore slightly more future proof than the g2. If those are your only choices and you can deal without a hardware keyboard, go g2x. But you really need to play with both.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2

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G2x is dual core, therefore slightly more future proof than the g2. If those are your only choices and you can deal without a hardware keyboard, go g2x. But you really need to play with both.
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Dual core gives a bit of a performance boost. But the G2X is an LG phone, and therefore probably isn't going to see a lot of developer support. At least not anywhere on the order of HTC devices. Developer support and up-to-date ROMs is better future proofing then just a slightly faster CPU, IMO. LG phones are also pretty consistently underwhelming. Their phones are just not that good. If not for the dual network support of the G2X, I'd say G2 all the way.

i do know that g2x does come with swype preinstalled.
could i try out a g2, and if i dont like it, go to a g2x? and vice versa?

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Dual core gives a bit of a performance boost. But the G2X is an LG phone, and therefore probably isn't going to see a lot of developer support. At least not anywhere on the order of HTC devices. Developer support and up-to-date ROMs is better future proofing then just a slightly faster CPU, IMO. LG phones are also pretty consistently underwhelming. Their phones are just not that good. If not for the dual network support of the G2X, I'd say G2 all the way.
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LG was underwhelming because they were mainly in the budget game before. Also, their software skills are at the script kiddie level. Unless you REALLY need a keyboard then I would say G2X or Optimus 3D. That extra screen real estate makes more of a difference than you would think.
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meh, i dont care about screen real estate either. besides, lgs skin is going to be taken off, g2x is mostly stock, besides the obvious bloatware planted by tmobile.

if you have plans to root or any of that good stuff I say go for the LG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z59oQcIgF94&feature=player_embedded
actually based off this video the G2x will NOT run stock android, as you can see at 1:40 it has samsungs touch UI on it... but earlier in the video you will also notice that the notification bars are changing.... for example look at :24 and then 1:03.... i honestly have no idea what it all means

G2X looks hella ugly. My vote goes to the G2.
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Kevin001111 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z59oQcIgF94&feature=player_embedded
actually based off this video the G2x will NOT run stock android, as you can see at 1:40 it has samsungs touch UI on it... but earlier in the video you will also notice that the notification bars are changing.... for example look at :24 and then 1:03.... i honestly have no idea what it all means
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i dunno about that, but according to this video it is running stock. which the G series is known for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXBSu_1jUkg&feature=channel_video_title
Anyways i'd definitly go with the g2x or one of the upcomming 3d phones vs getting a G2 right now which i currently have. i also came from a G1 and im tellin ya, the keyboards not that important anymore. sometimes i feel slower flipping it and actually typing it then just a few taps or swipes, i dont have much to say while texting. and i dont email much from it. with 4" screen im sure the screens accuracy would do justice. The hardware should more than make up for most of what dev's usually work on. I already feel that way about the g2. In the G1 it's exciting because it can get so much improvement, you feel like your actually turning a piece of **** into a chocolate bar (just a metaphor i love the G1), while the G2 you already feel like your just turning your chocolate bar into a different brand, or your adding nuts. So why not just buy the richest chocolate it has the potential to taste the best. Just my 2 cents, you might think totally different or use your phone different.

I like my G2 but If I were buying now I'd probably get the G2X.
The G2 keyboard isn't that great (compared to the G1 keyboard anyways), thanks to that and the awesomeness of Swype I rarely use the physical keyboard.
Dual Core will give the G2X more life, it will still perform well 2 years from now on whatever version of Android is out then, the G2 may be getting pretty winded by this point.
It's true that right now LG phones haven't seen the developer support that HTC phones have, but I expect the newer, higher end Android phones will attract some attention and HTC's increasingly more restrictive security measures will curb developer interest there. Of course this is 90% speculation at this point.

Personally I am going to wait for htc to drop htc G3 or another android phone with a physical keyboard. I do not need any faster phone. Nor I play games. I just text a lot and browse webs.
I don't think saving few sec browsing apps and loading games worth 300 -400dollars so I am keeping the g2.
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eunkipark92 said:
Personally I am going to wait for htc to drop htc G3 or another android phone with a physical keyboard. I do not need any faster phone. Nor I play games. I just text a lot and browse webs.
I don't think saving few sec browsing apps and loading games worth 300 -400dollars so I am keeping the g2.
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There was roughly 2 years between the release of the G1 and the G2, if following the same schedule that doesn't see the "G3" before fall 2012, if the AT&T merger does complete (which I think is likely because we have the best government money can buy) it's extremely unlikely that there will be new TMO phones coming out after that.

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if you have plans to root or any of that good stuff I say go for the LG
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And why is that?
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There was roughly 2 years between the release of the G1 and the G2, if following the same schedule that doesn't see the "G3" before fall 2012, if the AT&T merger does complete (which I think is likely because we have the best government money can buy) it's extremely unlikely that there will be new TMO phones coming out after that.
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That makes no sense...why would they not have a follow up to a well liked phone? Not only do they have more customer but also the ability to offer more devices than any other carrier? Seems like good business to me
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That makes no sense...why would they not have a follow up to a well liked phone? Not only do they have more customer but also the ability to offer more devices than any other carrier? Seems like good business to me
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T-Mobile likely won't exist anymore (assuming the merger goes through) and AT&T will be working hard to bring every TMO customer into the AT&T fold. They will have very little motivation to sell a successor to a uniquely T-Mobile phone.
While I do expect AT&T to have a better selection of Android phones than they have historically that isn't a tremendously difficult bar to exceed.
Right now there are 12 Android phones (not counting tablets, color variations or unreleased devices like the G2x or Sidekick) for T-Mobile and 6 available for AT&T, no way they will have 18 or anywhere close to that post merger, I'd expect a selection that's better than AT&Ts but not as good as TMO (maybe 10 or so at any given time).
The only hope that we as consumers have is that now that AT&T has lost iPhone exclusivity that AT&T will dramatically change it's stance towards Android and embrace it instead of offering a crappy selection of gimped phones (the Atrix gives me some hope, for all that it too is gimped)
Even if AT&T does offer a phone called the "G3" it will more than likely be a mediocre phone with a crappy keyboard (think backflip).
Maybe if we are lucky TMO will have already invested enough into the G3 before the merge completes that AT&T decides to release it, after they block application installation of course.

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T-Mobile likely won't exist anymore (assuming the merger goes through) and AT&T will be working hard to bring every TMO customer into the AT&T fold. They will have very little motivation to sell a successor to a uniquely T-Mobile phone.
While I do expect AT&T to have a better selection of Android phones than they have historically that isn't a tremendously difficult bar to exceed.
Right now there are 12 Android phones (not counting tablets, color variations or unreleased devices like the G2x or Sidekick) for T-Mobile and 6 available for AT&T, no way they will have 18 or anywhere close to that post merger, I'd expect a selection that's better than AT&Ts but not as good as TMO (maybe 10 or so at any given time).
The only hope that we as consumers have is that now that AT&T has lost iPhone exclusivity that AT&T will dramatically change it's stance towards Android and embrace it instead of offering a crappy selection of gimped phones (the Atrix gives me some hope, for all that it too is gimped)
Even if AT&T does offer a phone called the "G3" it will more than likely be a mediocre phone with a crappy keyboard (think backflip).
Maybe if we are lucky TMO will have already invested enough into the G3 before the merge completes that AT&T decides to release it, after they block application installation of course.
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I disagree on this outlook, I dont think AT&T would do that, it's just a really bad business move, why would you buy a business out if you are just trying to kill it, especially with verizon and sprint around. That is already the motive as a competitor. You buy the company because it has something valuable to you. The G series and mytouch is one of Tmobiles biggest branded phones and recieve lots of customers, im sure they would keep it that way. they'd probably just change the name of the phone.
and AT&T is not going to give up apple's iphone by choice. That would be a ridiculous move.

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I disagree on this outlook, I dont think AT&T would do that, it's just a really bad business move, why would you buy a business out if you are just trying to kill it, especially with verizon and sprint around. That is already the motive as a competitor. You buy the company because it has something valuable to you. The G series and mytouch is one of Tmobiles biggest branded phones and recieve lots of customers, im sure they would keep it that way. they'd probably just change the name of the phone.
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AT&T has already said that the main reason they are buying TMO is so they can use the wireless spectrum TMO currently uses for 3G and "4G" for their LTE buildout. Sure the customers are nice and AT&T will indeed make some efforts to keep those customers (churn is expensive) but I'm sure that unifying the brand will be a higher priority.
The G series isn't really notable apart from the G1 being the first Android phone to market. As for the MyTouch "brand", that one has always been a head scratcher is to it's reason to exist. I'll be nothing short of amazed it it continues post merger. I would not be surprised to see existing MyTouch devices receive token rebranding immediately following the merger close to kill off the MyTouch brand quickly.
and AT&T is not going to give up apple's iphone by choice. That would be a ridiculous move.
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Never said they would dump the iPhone, what I meant was that hopefully they will feel less compelled to intentionally cripple their android offerings as they have done in the past.

Evo 3D? Samsung Galaxy S II? Motorola Photon 4G?

Has the Photon 4g persuaded your decision when it comes down to what your upgrading to??? Or are you still intent on the Evo 3D or the Galaxy S II???

I'm still waiting to see if Sprint is going to sell the Galaxy S II. The Photon has my interest pending if the bootloader will be locked or not. The Samsung Within is on the top of my wish list, however...

The bootloader has been confirmed not to be locked by Motorola......

Yes, I just read that and confirmed Gorilla Glass, too. It has moved into second place pending a Galaxy S II announcement.

They stated later that the Photon would have a locked bootloader. Here is a link to it:
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/10/des...motorola-photon-4g-bootloader-will-be-locked/

The GSII for sprint is going to be called the Within. We know it's coming, we just aren't sure when :\. I personally would go for the Evo 3D because it is unlocked and will have great dev support. The Within will most likely also have great dev support because it is a great phone and because Samsung recently sent a few GSII to the guys that make cyanogenmod. Both phones have great specs and I am excited that they are going to be on Sprint.
I want to like the photon, but due to the fact that it is locked and because it is running the Motorola UI (apparently not called motoblur anymore) I won't even be looking at it. The specs are fantastic, but those two factors just make me cringe at the thought of buying it.

I had a Motorola phone back in the day even before smart phones were around, and it hit the brick hard on me, so I really don't want a phone from them. I personally will most likely go for the Galaxy S II, because I personally love my Samsung LED TV, I had a non Samsung smart phone, and it did me right [the AT&T Eternity] and still works, also is has phenomenal specs. I personally could care less about the '3D' aspect to the Evo 3D.

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I had a Motorola phone back in the day even before smart phones were around, and it hit the brick hard on me, so I really don't want a phone from them. I personally will most likely go for the Galaxy S II, because I personally love my Samsung LED TV, I had a non Samsung smart phone, and it did me right [the AT&T Eternity] and still works, also is has phenomenal specs. I personally could care less about the '3D' aspect to the Evo 3D.
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I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that most of the people here are not buying the phone because it is 3D. That's just something extra that we didn't ask for. People are buying it because it's a phone from a great company with great specs on a great carrier. Not saying that Samsung isn't great, we have a 40" from them that looks fantastic, but some people just prefer HTC.

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I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that most of the people here are not buying the phone because it is 3D. That's just something extra that we didn't ask for. People are buying it because it's a phone from a great company with great specs on a great carrier. Not saying that Samsung isn't great, we have a 40" from them that looks fantastic, but some people just prefer HTC.
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That's possibly true, and the extra power to run the 3D would probably eat up some of the battery. I have a 32" Samsung LED tv...beautiful in my room at school. And I agree there probably is some bias out there, but I resolved a long time ago, to not get stubborn and be a die fanboy to one side just cuz I like them. I love boy Samsung and HTC, but I feel the GS II has the edge in this competition. Just my 4 cents.

The Atrix was just released here in Australia with one of our local carriers on Tuesday 06/07/2011. So not happy that a few days later, the Photon have been announced. Larger screen, 8mp camera etc etc.
This 2 yr plan is really going to drag along so slowly now.

teh roxxorz said:
That's possibly true, and the extra power to run the 3D would probably eat up some of the battery. I have a 32" Samsung LED tv...beautiful in my room at school. And I agree there probably is some bias out there, but I resolved a long time ago, to not get stubborn and be a die fanboy to one side just cuz I like them. I love boy Samsung and HTC, but I feel the GS II has the edge in this competition. Just my 4 cents.
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That's very well spoken. I enjoy your 2 cents (because 4 just seems like a bit too much)

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That's very well spoken. I enjoy your 2 cents (because 4 just seems like a bit too much)
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Its a clearance sale on my opinion today, so keep the change for yourself.
But thank you.

As of right now, the Photon has my interest. Being able to use it globally is a plus for me. But with that said, if it becomes impossible to root then I may not consider it much. I'm not liking the EVO3D for the sole fact that its a 3D phone. Yes, I know its optional but I'm not keen on it. The GSII would be a win if it does come with a keyboard. To early to say what I would get though.

Well I've already got my EVO 3D locked in for release date. I'm not really a fan of the Photon, as I won't need it globally. I love my EVO, and if the 3D is the same build quality (or better), I will be loving my new phone.
I'm not a fan of hardware keyboards, as I feel like they just add extra bulk, so for me at least, the EVO 3D offers exactly what I want.
Of course, everyone will have their own preferences, and hopefully everyone will do their homework and decide what works best for them (and don't bash any of the other ones just because you like one over the other lol)
Also, the 3D has better power management than (some) other processors (like the Tegra 2). The cores can be clocked individually based on the need of the device or app, so it save power when it isn't needed. I wonder how long it will take to get a SetCPU like app that can control each core individually.
The MSM8x60 incorporates an asynchronous dual-core SMP micro-architecture. Unlike synchronous dual-core SMP designs
where both cores must run at the same frequency and voltage when operational, the dual-core Scorpion asynchronous power
design provides independent clocking and voltage per core, allowing each to work independently. This highly efficient design
provides substantial power savings over traditional SMP technology by intelligently adjusting performance to suit the needs of
the application.
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http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/snapdragon-msm8x60-apq8060-product-brief

sorry not to be a **** but who in the hell would want a locked and encrypted bootloader phone from a company that gives a rats @$$ about its customers???...
ona side note is anyone here just going to hold onto their evo and wait for quad cores???

sorry i really like my evo, but if the photon was unlocked and unencrypted id go for it.... right now sgs2 and evo 3d too much alike... htc seems to have beter build quality.... the samsung 4g ... cant remember what it was called for sprint felt reallllllyyyyy cheap... but the screen was awesome

keejung said:
sorry i really like my evo, but if the photon was unlocked and unencrypted id go for it.... right now sgs2 and evo 3d too much alike... htc seems to have beter build quality.... the samsung 4g ... cant remember what it was called for sprint felt reallllllyyyyy cheap... but the screen was awesome
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"Epic" was the name... Kind of funny that it was an "epic" fail. That phone felt like a cheap, plastic, hunk of junk.

I used my upgrade on an echo.

Why does everyone think HTC is such a great company? I've owned nearly every single HTC phone Sprint has ever offered, and in stock form they typically get terrible battery life, and have pretty bad build quality. I went through 6 HTC Touch/Vogues before I got one with a decent screen... Went through 4 or 5 Touch Pros, (and even a Touch Diamond,) before returning them all for overheating issues and terrrrrible battery life... Also had lots of problems with the capacitive buttons peeling off and terrible light leakage.
I had to go through several Evo 4Gs as well... and if you read the forums, there are all sorts of quirky things depending on what screen you got, what hardware version, etc... I don't see how people can be so damn pleased about that? Every new HTC phone is the same way... initially people are foaming at the mouth and forget all the problems in the past, and can only think of one thing--root. I don't get it, unless you are that desparate for free tethering. The custom ROMs on the 4G were far buggier than the stock one...
It seems like people only want HTC phones because the devs fix all the amazingly terrible problems that the phones comes with... My friends and family with Samsung and Motorola smartphones tell me all the time how reliable and rock-solid (physically) their phones are. If the argument for HTC is AOSP... I don't get that either... typically you lose out on many benefits custom to that hardware, (like 720p on Evo 4G,) and general reliability... Why not just remove all the wigets? That's what I did on my Evo 3D... I didn't run a single HTC widget. Didn't even sync fb for HTC, because it's such a battery hog.
To me, this whole "unlocked bootloader or DIE" mentality is just a bandwagon that people can jump on and feel like they belong. I would have stayed with my Evo 3D if it didn't send so many calls to voicemail, and had a half-way decent speaker. Things that I'm hoping the Photon can offer.

chazglenn3 said:
I'm still waiting to see if Sprint is going to sell the Galaxy S II. The Photon has my interest pending if the bootloader will be locked or not. The Samsung Within is on the top of my wish list, however...
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Isn't the photon a tablet ? LOL also from what i read on the net the Samsung galaxy s 2 wasn't comin to the USA no news on it . Everyone is sayin its not coming I don't see it coming here any time soon.