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Why am I running out of space/memory?

Hello all!
This is driving me crazy!
I have the usual collection of apps on my Desire, a couple of Nav software (being the big ones) etc etc.
However I have moved all of the apps, except things like swype, Advanced task killer, and a couple of widgets to my SD card, either with the native android function or with titanium backup.
However i keep getting the dreaded low space warning.
Why is this happening?
If I move the apps to the SD card, why am i still losing space on the phone?
And on a side note, why in 2011 we still have to deal with something a la 1986 with DOS and its memory shenaningans!

short story: not everything is moved when you move something to the sd card.
search on here about the differences between apps2sd vs data2sd (or d2whatever, or d2ext)

Dammit!
But thanks for your answer, at least I know where I stand.
I have lazily avoided going down the app2sd route so far, since didnt want to start the partitioning etc process.
I think I will keep going for a couple of weeks more, until I get my sensation, and in awhile probably have to do this for that one too. Will the sensation have the same problem (apart from higher RAM)?
Honestly, what were google thinking making this setup? Did they except their OS to have only 10 apps created for it?? Talk about believing in success!

HTC designed and manufactured the phones, not Google.
The Senstation should have at least 1GB of internal, as far as I remember.

k.aalai said:
Dammit!
But thanks for your answer, at least I know where I stand.
I have lazily avoided going down the app2sd route so far, since didnt want to start the partitioning etc process.
I think I will keep going for a couple of weeks more, until I get my sensation, and in awhile probably have to do this for that one too. Will the sensation have the same problem (apart from higher RAM)?
Honestly, what were google thinking making this setup? Did they except their OS to have only 10 apps created for it?? Talk about believing in success!
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HTC always put extremely low internal storage onto their phones. Its not Google's fault. The Sensation has a 4GB ROM (But only 1GB is given to users for applications, the rest goes to the system partition etc.).

we really should yell at HTC then huh..? any idea why they do this?

I don't know what its like in your country, but in mine, a phone's lifespan is only about 2 yrs. Carriers offer subsidized upgrades (with contracts mind you), so most people upgrade every couple of years. I have a 800mb ext4 partition with data2sd and still have 400 free. I have over 200 apps installed, not that I use more than 10% of them, lol. I think the 1GB user space on the sensation should last you just fine. One thing to keep in mind is that he sensation bootloader is currently locked, which means hacks like this may not be available for it.

itachi1706 said:
HTC always put extremely low internal storage onto their phones. Its not Google's fault. The Sensation has a 4GB ROM (But only 1GB is given to users for applications, the rest goes to the system partition etc.).
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If you root and s-off you can change the internal partition table size according to the rom you use. This maximises the space available to you for apps, in my case 332mb instead of 147 that you get with stock.
The processes to do this are pretty painless if you are good with following specific instructions.

Bloody tech companies, screw you in the end one way or another! If its not apple, its MS, and now HTC.
Honestly 150mb of RAM? in 2011????? The first Iphone could use 8Gigs years ago....
Ive had 4 HTCs phone in succession and each one had some issues somewhere. Sad thing is they were the best out there at their respective time!
Why oh why does it seem 95% of products seem to have never been properly thought out or tested!!!!
Rant over....
Thanks for the replies guys, and to add to your replies, yes I am getting an upgrade on contract, and hoping the Sensation bootloader will be unlocked soon (locking them in the first place, another great genius company decision there!).
If the sensation memory is not enough, I suppose will have to go through the ext4 route!
All your replies are much appreciated!

I have a htc desire stock orange uk, S-OFF, rooted.
download Link2sd (you have to be rooted)
With link2sd all I did was use Ubuntu and gparted to partition my 8gb sd card the 2nd partition set at 1024mb and the rest all together and both FAT32, as on the market app info it says ext2, ext3 etc etc can only be used with a custom rom.
hope this helps
This has been a life saver went from 17MB free to Nearly 60MB!!!!!

k.aalai said:
Thanks for the replies guys, and to add to your replies, yes I am getting an upgrade on contract, and hoping the Sensation bootloader will be unlocked soon (locking them in the first place, another great genius company decision there!).
If the sensation memory is not enough, I suppose will have to go through the ext4 route!
All your replies are much appreciated!
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The sensation is going to get it's bootloader unlocked in august. And 1gb should be enough for now.
http://m.facebook.com/notes/htc-uk/bootloader-unlocking-progress/241032199259602?_rdr
Sent from my HTC Original Desire using Tapatalk

[Q] Clarifications on R800x Rooting Status

I know all of this has been covered but when searching all the threads I found were from last year at some point so I figured I would see if there was any new news that I just wasn't finding with my search terms. I apologize in advance if I put this thread in the wrong place or didn't follow the forum format in some way.
Basically, is the Verizon version of the Xperia Play, R800x with 2.3.3 still locked and there is no way to root this phone now? Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought the Supreme Court or something had ruled that we were legally able to do what we wanted with devices we owned? Does that not apply here or am I crazy? Let me guess, I inadvertently signed all my rights away by clicking something that automatically means I agree with whatever restrictions they wish to put on me, am I getting warm? Lol.
I knew I should have done this earlier but I honestly wanted to give my phone a good run stock before tinkering with it. Now that I am having to delete just about every app I have downloaded on my phone, including games I paid good money for, just so I don't get continuous memory warnings mostly due to updates for the preinstalled software that I never use that Verizon saw fit to saddle me with, I decided to look into rooting it only to find that this is no longer an option. Honestly, I am fed up with this phone, Verizon, the whole nine yards. Excuse me while I rant a bit but I wish I have never upgraded to a "smart" phone and I am seriously considering dropping back to a normal plan without all the data and use my old, reliable Samsung Flipshot. It was a phone and a camera and it did both very well. My Play is supposed to do all sorts of things but it does nothing well and even when I am inclined to surf the 'Net or play a typical game or even txt I am constantly bombarded with the popup that the app has stopped responding and do I want to Wait or Force Close. It honestly smacks of the Windows 95 and 98 days when nothing seemed to work right and the BSOD was a common, everyday thing. Ok, rant over, I apologize.
Seriously though, is there anything I can do to stop the slow, inevitable death of my phone? I have uninstalled the largest of the updates for most of the programs I don't use like the Kindle app, some sort of "office" app and a few other updates that were over the 10mb mark but is this a viable solution? Are these apps just going to update again later or harass me with notifications to update? What the hell happened to the 250mb of extra space I had before and why can't I get it back by deleting the apps I downloaded myself? When my phone was new I had all kinds of room to do stuff and had many apps installed that I rarely used but were very handy when I needed them, now I find that I have to delete anything non-essential just to get my phone to operate on a somewhat normal level. Is there anything I can do to fight this and get back enough memory to make my phone fun and somewhat useful again? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
I guess I am just very disappointed with my first foray into the "smartphone" world. I honestly feel they are pushing the technology too far to fast since it seems almost like your phone is only something cool when it's new sitting on a shelf, then when you get it home and use it, it turns to crap in you hand. I suppose I am just angry over the whole situation and I feel sort of cheated. Maybe I misunderstood something somewhere but I thought these cool little gadgets were supposed to make life better and actually be useful. Then again, maybe I am just getting old.
So is there any hope or am I stuck with this for the time being or as long as I am stuck with Verizon in my rather remote area?

Read my sticky thread on "R800x Users: You've got Custom ROM questions? I've got answers." It still applies, at least until May 1st when you get an update.
In short: you can root your phone. There is something else called a bootloader that remains locked that controls whether you can use certain custom ROMs and kernels. There is a paid way to unlock it which gives you more access. There are quite a few custom ROMs you can use with a locked bootloader that will improve your phone's performance, and even more if you unlock the bootloader.
About the locked bootloader thing, Verizon can do that because they subsidize the cost of the phone in your contract. So, technically, they "own" the phone for the contract period and can dictate what you can do to said hardware.
You need to do a bit more digging. You can do a LOT more than stock.
Sent from my R800x using xda premium

Thanks for the info. I skimmed through the thread but I wondered if it still applied, good to know that it does so I'll go back and read it in detail. I guess I understand the Verizon thing. This is the real cost of buying my phone for a penny off Amazon, lol. Again, thanks for the info and I will definitely check out the info on rooting my phone, even if it's not totally unlocked. As long as I can get rid of most of the bloatware, I will be satisfied with that. Not really looking to make my phone do anything more than it does now, but improving it's performance and storage is definitely my motivation so hopefully something along those lines is still possible. Thanks again!

netizenmt said:
About the locked bootloader thing, Verizon can do that because they subsidize the cost of the phone in your contract. So, technically, they "own" the phone for the contract period and can dictate what you can do to said hardware.
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Well, I paid the unsubsidized price for my Play (~$500 if I recall) so I wouldn't have to sign a contract, and they still won't let me unlock it, not that that stopped me...

Mogul345 said:
Well, I paid the unsubsidized price for my Play (~$500 if I recall) so I wouldn't have to sign a contract, and they still won't let me unlock it, not that that stopped me...
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Technically you pay for the device but Sony holds the rights to what is contained within. You don't own EVERYTHING in the phone. Just the right to use it. Sure its in the Terms and Conditions
Sent from my R800i using xda premium

Well even with Verizon's meddling I was able to root my phone even without unlocking the boot loader. I got Titanium Backup installed and was able to remove a lot of the bloatware on my phone and free up a lot of memory. I wasn't able to delete all that I wanted but I was able to get back about 100mb of phone memory with just the things I did delete and that is good enough for me. The phone is acting normal so I guess I did everything right and didn't do any damage and I got the space I needed so I am pleased. Maybe down the road I will want to do more to the phone and workarounds will exist then but for now I am happy with what I have achieved.
Thanks again to Netizenmt and all the people who posted the information listed in your sticky. It was a great help once I calmed down, dug below the surface and did some more research.

LG G3 Extra space in /system

What to do with all the left over space in /system
FIrst post ever since I joined xda back in 2011 for all the fun I had with my good old Desire HD..
Anyways...
As I am sitting here right now with BlissPop and Stock GApps packet (thinking it might be too much/big), setting up Link2SD to offload stuff from the 11.27GB small yet more than big enough internal partition asking myself "Is there anything useful I could do with the almost 1.27GB of free space on the /system partition?". Of course there is "Here are the similar threads we found:" but as these suggestions are either unanswered or 3years+ old, I thought about posting my first thread here since rejoining for my G3.
A few weeks ago I might have said something like 16GB(11.27..) is just not enough but as soon as my CPU started to throttle into the ground (hitting 85C more than once) just from syncing stuff I said it's enough and went custom again. Probably one of the best things you can do with an over 1 year old G3, yet feeling like build a week ago (expect for the horrible unit I got, that the first thing I did was to downclock and undervolt that piece of....beautiful CPU).
Although I might know the answer already, maybe there is something that I just don't know about, that integrates perfectly with the update scripts and/or is worth the time investment to get that worked out like building a core app package with apps I always use on a second rom/tablet/different phone although probably not worth the work, is it just as easy as signing in with that account.

Do I have to give it up....

Good Day,
I have the the original HTC Incredible with Verizon. I am by no means a power user, big on downloading video or surfing the web on my phone (unless it is a semi-emergency). The problem is that some of the apps from my bank, local weather, AAA, etc. have been updating their apps. Some will not load at all and other I cannot use some of the new features of the new versions. Because I have the OS that is out of date.
I stopped in to a Verizon store an asked if I could get a OS update on my phone and of course they wanted to sell me a new phone. Said it was impossible to update the Incredible to a new OS. After a little reading on the forum, it may be so. But I am asking just the same, can my phone have the OS updated at least to a semi-new Android OS?
I like the size of the Incredible and every time they want to try and have me get a new phone I say "Sure, just get me one that is the same size as my Incredible or possibly smaller." That has stopped them all in there tracks. I do not want to carry around a tablet on my hip. And for a little as I use other applications I could almost go back to a flip phone, just kidding, well maybe.
Thank you for any suggestions or comments on my little situation. Have a great day.
Mark

Mark974 said:
Good Day,
I have the the original HTC Incredible with Verizon. I am by no means a power user, big on downloading video or surfing the web on my phone (unless it is a semi-emergency). The problem is that some of the apps from my bank, local weather, AAA, etc. have been updating their apps. Some will not load at all and other I cannot use some of the new features of the new versions. Because I have the OS that is out of date.
I stopped in to a Verizon store an asked if I could get a OS update on my phone and of course they wanted to sell me a new phone. Said it was impossible to update the Incredible to a new OS. After a little reading on the forum, it may be so. But I am asking just the same, can my phone have the OS updated at least to a semi-new Android OS?
I like the size of the Incredible and every time they want to try and have me get a new phone I say "Sure, just get me one that is the same size as my Incredible or possibly smaller." That has stopped them all in there tracks. I do not want to carry around a tablet on my hip. And for a little as I use other applications I could almost go back to a flip phone, just kidding, well maybe.
Thank you for any suggestions or comments on my little situation. Have a great day.
Mark
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So, the Droid incredible was my first android device, and sadly no. That thing is long past it's shelf life man. The fact that you're running on 3G only is a wonder and testament to you NOT using your phone. As you said, you really COULD go back to a flip phone. I can't imagine many apps still work on Gingerbread.
I'm sure if the device is rooted and s-off you can install some roms that were made for the device that take it as far as it can go. I just found mine in a drawer and my kid wants it for listening to music. I'm on hear just to see what Roms are out there if anyone is still using it.

Format after ADB errors and bloatware buildup?

Hey I'll try to keep this short but that never works for me these days so look for the TLDR tags below for the main point paragraph:
Got an 960W right before the S10 launched and I had done no reseearch before hand so I thought root would be easy I had an S4 for ages until it got stolen and then a Moto G lte which I loved when rooted but the screen stays all black pixles with backlight now and a lot kft he screen is broken off plus getting old the original damage I had a stroke and broke it during the fall that caused it so I used a loaner iPhone 5 till I bought the S9.
I Googled and read root guides and went awesome and bought it not knowing that root is harder these days on most devices and I picked the worst model to even try or wait for I guess. Back then m brain wasn't able to research and think things through much better than today just read a few reviews and put my cash down.
So lately it's been running like crap draining the battery very fast and such especially after pie was released. I had looked into removing bloatware and stock crap from the start once I learned it can't be rooted but the stuff never caused an issue or bugged me other than when bixby assistant seems to come up for no reason.
That is until recently: I've noticed terrible battery life particularly with Bluetooth and adaptive brightness on and when I started looking into it a lot of the Samsung apps and packages I never use are what's hogging a big chunk of availavle battery and CPU time.
So I finally figured out how to run ADB over WiFi and disable packages but of course I learned how to uninstall too. Disabled everything with one of the "here's all tbe stock apps you can disable" articles and I even deleted a couple that seemed weird like samsung.bixby.dummy and such but once I did that it ran amazing... however
The however ended though quickly; since I realized factory stuff I do use like Samsung health and cloud didn't wanna work. So next I tried to just reinstall Samsung cloud via an apk downloaded and that didn't really work so I just wrote a little bat file to enable everything disabled via adb bridge and stuff is hunky dory the couple packages I did totally use uninstall command on havnt caused any issues they just throw a Java error when trying to enable them via adb since they are uninstalled. Things are good other than my gripes and accumulated crap as well as tbe first issue that things just arnt snappy anymore+battery drain.
Even reenabled it's running nice and slick again but I do wanna clean stuff up I have 1150 apps with the stock factory and carrier junk so I figure it's time for a clean up.
I figure though maybe it's time to do a factory reset and install the LS5 or 6 build whatever we are on now on American and Canadian devices and go fresh then see what its like until I have time to swap with someone local for a brighter more open device.
I did read about how just a few weeks ago someone wrote up and was on Android news sites about TWRP working on the snap s9 for doing some basic things just the bootloader is still locked of course so I figure I might as well do a backup with everything reenabled via Samsung cloud, Google drive backup, and backup everything I can get read access to vis USB with all the dev options enabled.
Then I can do a full wipe and format/factory reset and from there I can disable any bloatware and Samsung stuff that I don't need. From there if everything seems fine then restore all my misc data and reinstall the other non daily used apps I want and hope Google saves all their data. The phone should be just like the good ol days when you had to do. A. Factory reset instead of upgrade when a good rom update came out and it ran great at first till you loaded it up with crap.
//TLDR
So would this be my best bet, backup via Samsung Cloud, Google, GCloud Backup and a full drive over USB and probably ADB backup save too followed by a wipe format and then install the latest update from Android 8 or whatever I end up with after factory reset. Restore/reinstall apps I actually use or need and their data where possible and then disable any stock stuff I don't use or need make sure everything is fine for a week and then run the adb uninstall command.
Oooor is there something I haven't been able to think of or find with my brain issues that would make it much easier to disable or delete stuff slowly package by package as well as just clearing the OS up? I remember week 1 I was like damn modern phone's are amazing... Going from a Moto surnia to the sltev930 or whatever the s9 code is made me say wow modern handheld devices are amazing but it's lost its magic since learning I can't root,of course, and the limitations associated with that even with Nova launcher prime and shortcutter;even with a ton of stock packages disabled or uninstalled I'm sure.
I just miss being able to do what I want and maybe it's just me or my screen protector but the screen on this thing is weak: I can't read it outside during the daytime wheresas the old worn out iPhone 5 with years and years on it is very easy to see anywhere even with sunglasses and even with jailbreak removed and the beta 11.4.1 on it not 12 yet that little apple loaner can hold it's own.
//End TLDR
//Bonus points: trying to use app2sd most apps won't move and even manually it goes to 90 percent or so and hangs for ages then finally quits and still says internal storage.
Is this a known Samsung issue or is it a problem with fat32 formatting or is my cheap 250gb SD card probably only a 32gb and rewriting over itself after a point?
Not only can I not put many apps and their data onto the SD card but it's become corrupted two or three times now this year and I have to backup everything on my PC and then format on Android and start again.
I dont know how much all data and general files and pictures on the microSD card ive lost now and ice stopped trying for anything with any importance. I haven't done a ton of research but dont know if there's a way to do a specific type of formatting to make it more compatible or some system flag thing I'm missing or maybe just because it's a cheap micSD card... I paid less for it at 250gb than I did for 32gb m.2 SSD for my 3d printer.
//End bonus round back to you Trebek.
I'm thinking about doing research properly and selling or trading the S9 for one of the new cheap Google phones or another Moto or whatever else I find that has good specs and display etc just like the S9 was to me at first. Im not sure what the resale value on a perfect S9 snap is but I'm sure I can get something with a nice bright readable display decent battery and some of the trimmings like inductions charging as well as able to root and install lineage or whatever once I do the research.
I post mostly because I just wanna get some more use out of this thing until I get the time to trade this with someone local or same carrier and research what might match how I was running with the Moto surnia from 2016 till 2018 only with modern hardware.
I realize I don't need all tbe extra crap features of a top end phone these days now that I'm getting back to my MS Surface for general things and realizing that there's a lot I simply can't do on a locked up divice no matter the specs.
Opinions on the wipe-update-uninstallUnneededFactoryPckes vs just removing all unused apps and call it a day till I can find something to barter for a decide more my style now that I know more would be great, as would opinions on devices that might be s good idea to search for locally to trade for. It is on my list of things to research and do over the fall season.
So yeah, thoughts/comments/rants?
I know there's a bit of info on this stuff around just hard for me to do full reseearch these days not tk mention keep up with everything I mean it took me what over a year now just to finally figure out how to use adb to disable and remove factory stuff as well as if people have opinions on devices to research that are like say the s9 modern with the Moto surnia openness I'm all ears.
I'll leave it there for now needed to get this down here or Reddit and back in the S4 and Surnia days XDA never let me down.
Thanks.

Just found a coupe things out like uninstalled apps will reinstall and evabke when you update.
|Ven with everything disabled over time reenabled it's running great again must have been getting rid of their cache and whatever plus I guess j got rid of the fake sd card finally confirmed it with that German mSD tool.
I think finding a model to trade for is best I don't need hardware this high end and j mean that new budget Indian Samsung model is basically as good or better for a fourth the price MSRP.
Gotta put some more research in but definitely dissapoijted the way Android and g{gke have gone since my Moto surnia days.