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[Q] Qualcomm question..

First of all Im new to the forum so hello lol
I have a question about qualcomm...I know that the scorpion processor in the next generation 45 nm chip but what I dont understand is why is it clocked at 800mhz?
The made it such a big deal crossing the 1ghz mark and I would assume that they would never look back. I might not have my facts straight but dosent the 45 nm run clock-cycles just like a 65 nm but more efficiently in respect of battery consumption.
It looks as if they wanted to get in on the low-end Android market share. As for the G2 which I love, my friend ran quadrant pro infront of me and it shows the cpu was scored what looked like 20% lower than the nexus one at 2.2 (my guess from looking at it) but of coarse the gpu trashed the nexus one.
I saw a interview on engadget about a week ago about googles executive that said soon there will be a clear distinction or line between low end Android and high end Android devices. I wonder if HTC is in contact with google about future updates in order to release devices adequate enough to run them or are they just blindly releasing high build quality devices lol
Sorry about the long post but I had come up with a few questions that I didn't want to ask anywhere else.
Thanks.

Wait until our geniuses figure out root then you can happily run it a 1 Ghz+. If you look at the spec scheets for the MSM7230 then you will see it's rated for speeds 800-1000. Higher speeds=lower battery life, so the reasons for having it clocked lower are very practical. My G2 can average 1600-1650 on quadrant, so I don't think it's that bad.

azzeh3 said:
First of all Im new to the forum so hello lol
I have a question about qualcomm...I know that the scorpion processor in the next generation 45 nm chip but what I dont understand is why is it clocked at 800mhz?
The made it such a big deal crossing the 1ghz mark and I would assume that they would never look back. I might not have my facts straight but dosent the 45 nm run clock-cycles just like a 65 nm but more efficiently in respect of battery consumption.
It looks as if they wanted to get in on the low-end Android market share. As for the G2 which I love, my friend ran quadrant pro infront of me and it shows the cpu was scored what looked like 20% lower than the nexus one at 2.2 (my guess from looking at it) but of coarse the gpu trashed the nexus one.
I saw a interview on engadget about a week ago about googles executive that said soon there will be a clear distinction or line between low end Android and high end Android devices. I wonder if HTC is in contact with google about future updates in order to release devices adequate enough to run them or are they just blindly releasing high build quality devices lol
Sorry about the long post but I had come up with a few questions that I didn't want to ask anywhere else.
Thanks.
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MHz is a misleading statistic to judge performance by. A 1GHz processor is not guaranteed to be faster than an 800MHz one. What is always true, though, is that a given processor running at 1GHz will take more energy than the same processor running at 800MHz. Because these new processors are so fast, even at 800MHz, they are competitive or even faster than any other phone on the market today. However by clocking them a bit slower, they also have quite serviceable battery life.
In daily use, it is unlikely that you would notice much difference between 800MHz and 1GHz with this cpu. They are both plenty fast, and most of the time the CPU will be waiting for you, not the other way around. However if it were clocked at 1GHz, you would immediately see a shorter battery life, so to my mind the sacrifice is well worth it.
As far as any fears that this might be a "low end phone", make no mistake, this is the premiere Android phone on the market right now. The Droid 2 may have a higher profile, but it is slower, has a slower network, and uses a non-standard GUI (not to mention a whole lot more expensive when you factor in the price of the service). No phone will have every possible feature that people want, but as far as raw capabilities go, there is no better phone on the market today as far as I can see.

Those seem to be very valid points and thanks for the input..
One other thing when exactly do you need 1ghz of processing speed?? I mean back in the day the macbook air used a 1.5 ghz processor..
Also where dose the ram come into play?

azzeh3 said:
Those seem to be very valid points and thanks for the input..
One other thing when exactly do you need 1ghz of processing speed?? I mean back in the day the macbook air used a 1.5 ghz processor..
Also where dose the ram come into play?
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RAM is a far bigger determiner of performance on a day-to-day basis than processor speed, at least to a point. You could have a 10GHz computer, but if you only had 64k of RAM it would crawl along miserably slow.
In either case, there is a point of diminishing returns, though as applications become more demanding that point gets higher and higher. I remember selling Mac's back in the early-mid 90's and telling eople, don't worry, 16Megs of RAM (a huge amount back then when the standard was 4MB) would handle anything they could throw at it. Little did I know that just 15 years later I would have 500x that much in my desktop and 32x as much in my cell phone!
I am by no means a Andoid systems expert, but from what I have read there is not much benefit of having more than 512MB of RAM with the current versions of the Android OS. I would have preferred that they included 1GB of RAM just for a future growth path, but I can understand why they didn't. Each of these features costs money, so you have to draw the line someplace, you can't included every feature people may ask for in every phone.

Your right lol How will the big companies make any money if they give you everything you wanted....
I've never kept a phone for more than 8 months because of updated stats but lately there is a boom in technology so its going to be more like 4 months now hahaha

GPU overclocking

Hi im running xdandroid on my rhod210 and i am very happy with it, one of the few annoying downsides to it is the ****ty fps of 17.5 which is quite choppy for most 3d games.
But iv heard that gpu overclock for rhodium is definatly possible with the right line added to startup.txt.
look at this thread:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697673
it says about overclocking the vogue with a line in startup.txt, with it the vogue achieved 36.5fps!!! which is brilliant, and the vogue is inferior to the tp2 harware wise.
So we know its possible and will give us great improvement, so all we need is someone with the know how to tell us how? it was sais that we would "need to talk to your kernel devs to add this functionality" so hopefully this will be a great update.
any comments, anyone willing to help? anyone working on the xdandroid project willing to implement this? it would be much appreciated.
tank you, please reply :]

Thus far I think we've only overclocked the main CPU, haven't touched the GPU. Looks promising tho.

ohhhhhhhh my god its really ?? i cant belief !! its co0o0o0o0o0o0ol

Jandyman said:
Hi im running xdandroid on my rhod210 and i am very happy with it, one of the few annoying downsides to it is the ****ty fps of 17.5 which is quite choppy for most 3d games.
But iv heard that gpu overclock for rhodium is definatly possible with the right line added to startup.txt.
look at this thread:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697673
it says about overclocking the vogue with a line in startup.txt, with it the vogue achieved 36.5fps!!! which is brilliant, and the vogue is inferior to the tp2 harware wise.
So we know its possible and will give us great improvement, so all we need is someone with the know how to tell us how? it was sais that we would "need to talk to your kernel devs to add this functionality" so hopefully this will be a great update.
any comments, anyone willing to help? anyone working on the xdandroid project willing to implement this? it would be much appreciated.
tank you, please reply :]
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this would be awesome, would definitely raise its quadrant score

I'm not sure what is Vogue and what screen resolution it has, but I supppose as it's old phone with Qvga. Qvga means 1/4 of the pushing pixels that we have on screen. So if Rhodium had qvga screen we would have 4 times beter frame rate. 69 FPS. I wouldn't call 17,5 fps of WVGA 3D ****ty in phone that was presented almost 2 years ago with different operating system. And we should remember that it's Android, which isn't (for now) fully working.

I'm not sure what is Vogue and what screen resolution it has, but I supppose as it's old phone with Qvga. Qvga means 1/4 of the pushing pixels that we have on screen. So if Rhodium had qvga screen we would have 4 times beter frame rate. 69 FPS. I wouldn't call 17,5 fps of WVGA 3D ****ty in phone that was presented almost 2 years ago with different operating system. And we should remember that it's Android, which isn't (for now) fully working.
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your right the htc vogue has a qvga screen, but it also has less processing power so this should somewhat balence things out. But i still think gpu overclocking would greatly improve the rhodiums performance and if i remember right neoseekers version of android recorded 24.1 fps, and that is without gpu overclock. so improvement is more than possible.

ohhhhhh god 24.1 fbs its brilliant beside 17.5 to the htc rhodium its co0o0o0o0ol

I tried the startup option they were talking about in the thread referenced... if the value is too low then maybe that is the issue, or it just doesn't work. Either way got 17.6fps on neocore before and AFTER changing the startup.txt and rebooting. Unless a dev wants to chime in I don't think that is the only step to overclocking.

Well those startup options are in the kernel. So we'd have to get the kernel enabled before we can ever dream of having the startup option work
Basically any option that's set in cmdline is being passed to the kernel - so if our kernel isn't enabled for that feature/option, it'll just get ignored.

arrgghh beat me to it
i dont kno how hard or easy it is to change the kernal to allow this but hopefully the devs will hear and implement this feature. Or if someone could contact them suggesting it would be great.

its actually simple to over-clock, but does anyone know what values to overclock to before burning up the phone?
If you guys want this done, id look for an existing winmo solution to do this on windows. Once we know what values to use on the clock regs, we can easily port it over on android.

a quick google search of 'overclocking gpu on htc touch pro 2' has lead me to nothing :/ im presuming this is because there is no need to overclock the gpu when running windows mobile because there are very few decent windows mobile games (as far as i kno) and havnt found any using 3d, specially not free.
But if we find the detailed specs of the touch pro 2, and then search for the safe frequesncy to overclock that power of gpu too wouldnt it be the same? thats probly our best bet unless someone can find evidence of overclocking gpu on a tp2 running windows mobile.

Jandyman said:
a quick google search of 'overclocking gpu on htc touch pro 2' has lead me to nothing :/ im presuming this is because there is no need to overclock the gpu when running windows mobile because there are very few decent windows mobile games (as far as i kno) and havnt found any using 3d, specially not free.
But if we find the detailed specs of the touch pro 2, and then search for the safe frequesncy to overclock that power of gpu too wouldnt it be the same? thats probly our best bet unless someone can find evidence of overclocking gpu on a tp2 running windows mobile.
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Nahh.. don't work that way. Its not like 1 clock you can change to any frequency. All the clocks are derived from the plls and you would need to do some math to determine what pll to use and what to devide it by.
There are also other clocks involved with the display. mddi, mdp are other clocks that can also change. Vogue for example has the ability to over clock mddi.
But yea.. a winmo app would be very helpful.

[ACL] said:
Nahh.. don't work that way. Its not like 1 clock you can change to any frequency. All the clocks are derived from the plls and you would need to do some math to determine what pll to use and what to devide it by.
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For those who are still unawares at this point, PLLs are crystals on the mainboard that resonate at different frequencies. Thus you would need to tear open the phone and figure out which PLLs are linked to the GPU and which are just ancillary, and then be able to put it back together. Whomever wants to take this upon themselves, I wish them luck.

Hamsteriel said:
For those who are still unawares at this point, PLLs are crystals on the mainboard that resonate at different frequencies. Thus you would need to tear open the phone and figure out which PLLs are linked to the GPU and which are just ancillary, and then be able to put it back together. Whomever wants to take this upon themselves, I wish them luck.
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Not entirely tru. We know which pll the gpu uses and what its currently dived by. We had this discussion today on the irc board. There is some work being done to help improve the speed.

[ACL] said:
Not entirely tru. We know which pll the gpu uses and what its currently dived by. We had this discussion today on the irc board. There is some work being done to help improve the speed.
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Yay, I can haz FPS?

[ACL] said:
Not entirely tru. We know which pll the gpu uses and what its currently dived by. We had this discussion today on the irc board. There is some work being done to help improve the speed.
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Just curious if this work on GPU overclocking ever got anywhere or was determined to be possible in the future?

it's possible - but more than likely it would cause severe problems with battery life and stability. Considering the dismal state of our battery life already I doubt the work is worth it for an extra 4fps in angry birds.
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randomblame said:
it's possible - but more than likely it would cause severe problems with battery life and stability. Considering the dismal state of our battery life already I doubt the work is worth it for an extra 4fps in angry birds.
Thread necromancy is bad mkay
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If you're up to date on kernels, especially if you're on Wistilt's test branch, battery life is great. When sleeping, battery life is measured in days now. Anyway, just because the compromises involved don't interest you doesn't mean they wouldn't work for someone else.
Alternatively to overclocking the GPU, I wonder what sort of UI smoothness/framerates would be possible if the display driver were recoded to pixel double to our screen from 400x240 (same resolution as a Samsung Intercept).
I played around with the lcd density but that didn't seem to be able to create the same effect, as program's like Neocore still knew that my display was actually 800x480 and displayed as such.

[Q] Kaiser 3D Drivers For Android - SOLVED - CAN BE CLOSED

I was wondering, the 3D performance is a lot better on the kaiser when using the video drivers (of course).
But is there any way to get the 3D driver to work in android?
Since i don't think it's possible to just install the driver on WM and then run Android because it fully shuts down WM i was wondering wether there's a way to get that nice smooth performance on Android as well.
Or is there any app that makes the kaiser a bit faster (graphics wise)?
Thanks a lot!!!
Answer:
3D Drivers are implemented (if that's the correct word (I'm from Belgium so)) in Android.

syntax1993 said:
I was wondering, the 3D performance is a lot better on the kaiser when using the video drivers (of course).
But is there any way to get the 3D driver to work in android?
Since i don't think it's possible to just install the driver on WM and then run Android because it fully shuts down WM i was wondering wether there's a way to get that nice smooth performance on Android as well.
Or is there any app that makes the kaiser a bit faster (graphics wise)?
Thanks a lot!!!
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Aren't they allready implemented using opengl????

If your running android you already have the drivers, they are in the kernel. I think we need to make a big sticky of that somewhere, third time ive seen it asked this week.

aceoyame said:
If your running android you already have the drivers, they are in the kernel. I think we need to make a big sticky of that somewhere, third time ive seen it asked this week.
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I second that

syntax1993 said:
Or is there any app that makes the kaiser a bit faster (graphics wise)?
Thanks a lot!!!
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As has already been said, HW3d is implemented into the kernel which utilises the qcom chip in our kaiser's, but the hardware graphics acceleration although better then nothing is pretty crap compared to the new phones coming along so you can't expect miracles, just be glad it has any at all and android can actually use it unlike window mobile!

scooter1556 said:
As has already been said, HW3d is implemented into the kernel which utilises the qcom chip in our kaiser's, but the hardware graphics acceleration although better then nothing is pretty crap compared to the new phones coming along so you can't expect miracles, just be glad it has any at all and android can actually use it unlike window mobile!
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I would not call 32 frames per second in NEOCORE, with your build, prertty crap.
Well, can not be compared to new phones, but you must admit that this is more than enough to run 3D games(we can play RagingTunder2!).

Millence said:
I would not call 32 frames per second in NEOCORE, with your build, prertty crap.
Well, can not be compared to new phones, but you must admit that this is more than enough to run 3D games(we can play RagingTunder2!).
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No, it is quite impressive for an old timer, but obviously it can't keep up with the new hardware on the market and therefore the applications/games that are targeted at these devices. It's also a shame it isn't man enough for new video codecs although installing arcMedia which uses FFMpeg as it's backend improves things a little and gives support for more formats.

Thank you for answering, i had no idea it was integrated into the kernel.
I've heard that the kaiser had a quite good video chip but that's probably compared to the other phones at that time .
Well my phone is running Quake2 at about 10FPS (a bit higher (about 15-20) when looking into corners etc.) and i was hoping for a bit higher rate but it seems it isn't very easy to gain that on android.
Thanks a lot again for this quick answer, i haven't found any post on the forum wich answered my question so...
Syntax1993

Haven't looked well enough then it seems.
I'm sorry.

awhile back I looked at the performance of our integrated 3d and it is about on par with a rage 128 from what I remember... which is pretty bad lol not to mention that on android we have to run through java and we have a pretty weak fpu. I mean in linpack with my barebones rls 3 and overclocked to 572 mhz I get 3.8 mflop/s which is pretty bad lol. That was with JIT working properly even.

aceoyame said:
awhile back I looked at the performance of our integrated 3d and it is about on par with a rage 128 from what I remember... which is pretty bad lol not to mention that on android we have to run through java and we have a pretty weak fpu. I mean in linpack with my barebones rls 3 and overclocked to 572 mhz I get 3.8 mflop/s which is pretty bad lol. That was with JIT working properly even.
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Have u had any problems clocking that high? I'm a bit scared to clock higher than 450Mhz because i don't want to brick my phone tbh.
Would be cool to clock that high.
*Afraid to clock that high LOL*

syntax1993 said:
Have u had any problems clocking that high? I'm a bit scared to clock higher than 450Mhz because i don't want to brick my phone tbh.
Would be cool to clock that high.
*Afraid to clock that high LOL*
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And there's the batt consumption issue... even if it can be reached ull need a really really long lasting extended batt, I got a Seidio Inocell 1600mAh, in a donut with .25 kernel and oced to 470, my batt last me like 10-12 hours if I use moderate wifi, bt or gps and keeping my data to 2g only.... If I try to keep my wifi or gps turned on all time and use 3g probably it wouldnt last more than 4-6 hours.

albertorodast2007 said:
And there's the batt consumption issue... even if it can be reached ull need a really really long lasting extended batt, I got a Seidio Inocell 1600mAh, in a donut with .25 kernel and oced to 470, my batt last me like 10-12 hours if I use moderate wifi, bt or gps and keeping my data to 2g only.... If I try to keep my wifi or gps turned on all time and use 3g probably it wouldnt last more than 4-6 hours.
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Well since the data here costs a lot of money (i don't know what it's like where you live) i rarely use it.
GPS is off and wifi is only on when at home or for a short period of time.
BT is also rarely used and off when not used.
I'm using a 2880Mah battery so the clocking won't be that much of a problem and i can recharge it every night so.
Aren't there high costs for 2G and 3G? it's waay to expensive to have it turned on all day.
Would i get any problems when clocking to around 500Mhz or smthng like that?

syntax1993 said:
Well since the data here costs a lot of money (i don't know what it's like where you live) i rarely use it.
GPS is off and wifi is only on when at home or for a short period of time.
BT is also rarely used and off when not used.
I'm using a 2880Mah battery so the clocking won't be that much of a problem and i can recharge it every night so.
Aren't there high costs for 2G and 3G? it's waay to expensive to have it turned on all day.
Would i get any problems when clocking to around 500Mhz or smthng like that?
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If ur using a data plan its relatively cheaper... i've oced my lil htc tilt to 520mhz, specialy when trying heavy apps and never had an issue (well never had issues more than the normal ones LOL ) you'll feel it gets a bit "warm" in the backside (maybe due to the higher batt consumption) and speed increase isnt that much beyond a certain point but maybe ull be luckier than me! (this is something common in evert oc! my cousin and i both have an evga gtx 275 i can get ir run almost 100 mhz higher than stock and if my cousin even tries to touch the values his pc hangs up!!) Taking abuot that... The only thing i've never tried was to oc the gpu (i've seen that option in atools) dunno if its doable in our kaisers and if there's a real increase/decrease in performance... if you give it a try maybe you could publish ur results...

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If ur using a data plan its relatively cheaper... i've oced my lil htc tilt to 520mhz, specialy when trying heavy apps and never had an issue (well never had issues more than the normal ones LOL ) you'll feel it gets a bit "warm" in the backside (maybe due to the higher batt consumption) and speed increase isnt that much beyond a certain point but maybe ull be luckier than me! (this is something common in evert oc! my cousin and i both have an evga gtx 275 i can get ir run almost 100 mhz higher than stock and if my cousin even tries to touch the values his pc hangs up!!) Taking abuot that... The only thing i've never tried was to oc the gpu (i've seen that option in atools) dunno if its doable in our kaisers and if there's a real increase/decrease in performance... if you give it a try maybe you could publish ur results...
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I'll try clocking CPU to about 500Mhz or a bit more
Going to use it tomorrow because it's about 9pm ATM.
GPU would be nice if it was possible to overclock it.
I'll post it tomorrow, could be that i can't see any result compared to a lower frequency.
Thx for ur help btw!

I've noticed a small diffrence when trying quake2 atm.
The diffrence isn't very great but i will try clocking it a bit higher tomorrow
Yooooo

As i've said before many times there is no risk in overclocking past 528 because we are not touching the voltage going to the cpu when we are overclocking it, just the crystal that controls the frequency it is running at. There is a slight heat increase and loss of battery consequentially because of that extra heat but that is it. I am speaking from experience overclocking a 2.4 ghz celeron E2200 to 4.25 ghz on air cooling with no disatrous results and used it as such every day. Basically I overclocked it with a pinmod for voltage and FSB increases and then I overclocked it further with the motherboard and supplied even more voltage. For the heatsink I used an OEM socket 775 heatsink and had no problems at all, it typically ran about 48 Celsius. If an overclock that high and potentially harmful won't kill the cpu then certainly one of a much smaller % is not going to harm a little kaiser.
FYI I took the voltage on that Celeron to 1.7 volts to get it that high. Stock is 1.1 if I recall

aceoyame said:
As i've said before many times there is no risk in overclocking past 528 because we are not touching the voltage going to the cpu when we are overclocking it, just the crystal that controls the frequency it is running at. There is a slight heat increase and loss of battery consequentially because of that extra heat but that is it. I am speaking from experience overclocking a 2.4 ghz celeron E2200 to 4.25 ghz on air cooling with no disatrous results and used it as such every day. Basically I overclocked it with a pinmod for voltage and FSB increases and then I overclocked it further with the motherboard and supplied even more voltage. For the heatsink I used an OEM socket 775 heatsink and had no problems at all, it typically ran about 48 Celsius. If an overclock that high and potentially harmful won't kill the cpu then certainly one of a much smaller % is not going to harm a little kaiser.
FYI I took the voltage on that Celeron to 1.7 volts to get it that high. Stock is 1.1 if I recall
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Awsome I could only reach 2.9 gigs on a intel q9400 on an asrock g31m-s (its a really crappy n cheap mobo!) The q9400 runs stock @ 2.66 maybe u can help me with that too lol!! Kiddin...
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Awsome I could only reach 2.9 gigs on a intel q9400 on an asrock g31m-s (its a really crappy n cheap mobo!) The q9400 runs stock @ 2.66 maybe u can help me with that too lol!! Kiddin...
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See BSEL pin mod for socket 775 as it isnt a gigabyte board that should send your OC soaring through the roof since it doesnt use CPUID for configuring its clock speed on boot.

Millence said:
I would not call 32 frames per second in NEOCORE, with your build, prertty crap.
Well, can not be compared to new phones, but you must admit that this is more than enough to run 3D games(we can play RagingTunder2!).
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Just tried Raging Thunder 2. Wow - I had no idea games like this could run well on our old machines - except without an accelerometer I can't see how to steer and accelerate at the same time .
Are there any other nice looking action/racing gaems out there that give decent frame rates?

Is the g2's processor faster than the MT4G's processor?

I just got the G2 and I love it. I came from a vibrant which was lagging and freezing and still had 2.1. Regret buying that phone. But this phone is a beast. My friend got the mytouch thinking it was faster.
I still think the G2 is really fast, but which processor is faster.
If you can explain in detail that'd be great!
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Don't they have the same processor? Except the g2 is underclocked while the MT4G isn't?
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nivlac978 said:
Don't they have the same processor? Except the g2 is underclocked while the MT4G isn't?
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that's what I thought too

Cool stated somewhere in one of his previous OC threads that they were slightly different. Ill leave it at that since explaining is beyond my scope of knowledge.
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HTC G2 uses the MSM7230 as compared to the HTC MyTouch 4G's MSM8255.
"MSM7x30, MSM8x55 and QSD8x50A - all 3 variations share the same design, differs only by the clock speeds. These 3 variations run at 800MHz, 1.0GHz and 1.3GHz respectively. Each of these features Adreno 205 GPU which runs at significantly higher performance level than Adreno 200 found in the 1st generation Snapdragon processor."
Source: http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...-gen-snapdragon-processors-how-fast-are-they/

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HTC G2 uses the MSM7230 as compared to the HTC MyTouch 4G's MSM8255.
"MSM7x30, MSM8x55 and QSD8x50A - all 3 variations share the same design, differs only by the clock speeds. These 3 variations run at 800MHz, 1.0GHz and 1.3GHz respectively. Each of these features Adreno 205 GPU which runs at significantly higher performance level than Adreno 200 found in the 1st generation Snapdragon processor."
Source: http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...-gen-snapdragon-processors-how-fast-are-they/
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More than likely this means that the silicon on each device is QC'd to a different tolerance. IE the minimum possible speed. As everyone knows each silicon chip has a range and it will meet a minimum clock speed stable. It has been shown that most G2's can be OC'd to 1.4 ish. We don't have kernel source yet for the Glacier. When we do we will see if it is better or the same.

The MT4G also has more RAM. 768MB vs G2's 512MB.

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The MT4G also has more RAM. 768MB vs G2's 512MB.
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So what you're saying is... The MT4G is faster than the G2?

jjuice525 said:
So what you're saying is... The MT4G is faster than the G2?
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More RAM doesn't directly translate to more speed.

More RAM very nearly directly translates to more speed for 99% of usage time because there are less reads from flash memory. I don't know how noticable it would be though. Certainly not the marked improvement seen on PCs with normal hard drives.

yes but the sense ui takes more cpu/ram to run smoothly. atleast in theory. plus the mytouch hasnt been oc'd yet so we will see.

Anomaly said:
More RAM very nearly directly translates to more speed for 99% of usage time because there are less reads from flash memory. I don't know how noticable it would be though. Certainly not the marked improvement seen on PCs with normal hard drives.
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You are wrong.
The more RAM means you can load more stuff in RAM. Example in PC, You can open more Internet Explorer window.
But the speed is the same. Example.. we kill all background apps and both G2 (1ghz) and MT4G(1Ghz) will just run quadrant alone.. they should perform the same since the speed of their RAM are equal regardless of the amount.. example 512 vs 768.
The MT4G needs more RAM because the Sense UI is composed of useless bloatwares.

Na, MT4G won't run faster, but it'll be able to run more stuff at the same time.. like people above have explained.
But I really don't think we need that much RAM, currently.

Superfrag said:
Na, MT4G won't run faster, but it'll be able to run more stuff at the same time.. like people above have explained.
But I really don't think we need that much RAM, currently.
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true. but honestly, the only moment where you might be able to notice a slight speed difference is with numerous, and i mean a hell of a lot, of apps open in the background without killing them

[q] Livewallpapers

Hello!
I-m trying to apply several live wallpapers. Some crash, its acceptable.
Others, plain buggy. Example: Galatic Core.
I select it in the Livewallpapers selector, it does not error, and shows a black screen. i press settings, get the message "buy the app", and then it shows!
If i then select it, i get a black screen... and then the original wallpaper again.
Anyone got more luck than i ?

They were never meant to run on our phones so they will be iffy at best for performance
Also if your using cm6 that's a known issue across the board with them
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thoughtlesskyle said:
They were never meant to run on our phones so they will be iffy at best for performance
Also if your using cm6 that's a known issue across the board with them
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Could you guys please stop doing that ?
"" XPTO was not meant to run on our phone ""
What is it there... that our phones have... or have not... that make a given app not run ? Sure... we can agree on "it wasn't designed for 320x240. Ok, i agree too.
But either than that ?? Yeah, our CPU is the slower MSM on the field, at least compared to Diamonds/Raphaels and upwards... but hey!! We have 1/4 of the pixels to take care of. That sould give us some room...
Now, don't get me wrong. It was not designed to run Android. But that doesn't mean it was not meant to. Take for example a simple little phone, sold here on Portugal as Optimus Boston. It has a MSM cpu... it came with 1.6 running at 600mhz... but the latest update to Eclair 2.1... underclocked it to 480. My kaiser usually runs at 550. (official rom, its possible to have custom roms running at the original 600.) and it still is a great phone... look at the simple specs :
http://www.gsmarena.com/gigabyte_gsmart_g1305_boston-3201.php
Now, someone explain... why can't our Kaiser/Vogue/Polaris run Android like that leatle freak underclocked to 480 runs. Please.

The fact that we have absolutely no RAM doesn't play into it ever since sheer clock speed always determines speed, to be honest I haven't even seen them run well on my hero and I have it OC'd to 691
But hey if you want to argue about it there are links to the source around go in and fix the problem, most of the devs for this project have more important things to focus on at the moment
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thoughtlesskyle said:
The fact that we have absolutely no RAM doesn't play into it ever since sheer clock speed always determines speed, to be honest I haven't even seen them run well on my hero and I have it OC'd to 691
But hey if you want to argue about it there are links to the source around go in and fix the problem, most of the devs for this project have more important things to focus on at the moment
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Do not feel ofended. It was not my intention.
My point is that if we had accepted the slowness of our devices, we would never had attempted to port Android.
As for the RAM, agree.. it is a bottleneck...
Now, has for speed... i've seen them run well... on other devices of course.

I did many tests on my Kais130 Fresh Froyo, about livewallpapers
I agree with Daedric on the ability of our device.
I managed to run the "Grass" Wallpaper properly. Others, like Mario, Galactic Core, ... Sometimes with bugs and/or too many resources used.
It seems to me that LiveWallpapers work less well in the latest Froyo

Well were not the slowest android phone anymore. But that doesnt mean much, we still have a lot of instability. The ram limitation can be overcome with comp cache (virtual memory) but that brings only more instability and adds overhead that we don't need. Also the performance just isnt there yet. Our phones beat only one phone and thats because that phone doesnt have froyo on it. Otherwise it would beat ours out. Also that was with my kaiser overclocked to 572 mhz with a gpu overclock as well. Any other phone msm 7200 phone at those speeds kick our kaisers ass. I think the resource intense ones are just not meant to work well at all for us. My background works at least lol, I use a background that shows the core of a 486 cpu.

aceoyame said:
Well were not the slowest android phone anymore. But that doesnt mean much, we still have a lot of instability. The ram limitation can be overcome with comp cache (virtual memory) but that brings only more instability and adds overhead that we don't need. Also the performance just isnt there yet. Our phones beat only one phone and thats because that phone doesnt have froyo on it. Otherwise it would beat ours out. Also that was with my kaiser overclocked to 572 mhz with a gpu overclock as well. Any other phone msm 7200 phone at those speeds kick our kaisers ass. I think the resource intense ones are just not meant to work well at all for us. My background works at least lol, I use a background that shows the core of a 486 cpu.
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Should we assume... that at the same speed, diferent MSM devices offer diferent performance ? Or, are we simply doing still things wrong, i don't know, perhaps a poor schedule, buggy drivers which introduce lag, perhaps the graphic one.
We must remember, they kick our kaiser hard, but they have much more pixels, how can that be ?