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TornadoTotalControl OverClocking on Excalibur..

I have TornadoPowerControl installed and working on my Excalibur and would like to know what is the fastest settings I can clock the excalibur without damaging it..?? right now i just have it on AUTO.. Fastest is 204MHZ

Hi, I am trying to install this program as well, but having a little difficulty finding the download for Compact Framework Version 2.0 SP1...I would greatly appreciate if you could help me out.....regarding the highest stable clock speed, I have been testing it at 252 and 264 and personally feel that 252 is pretty stable....thanks for your time.
Regards,

Here's the link i used to DL the .NET Cf.. so 252mhz is stable..? how long u been clocking at that speed for??
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...6b-356b-4a2c-857c-e62f50ae9a55&displaylang=en

apologize for the late reply, thank you for the link....works great, yes my S620 has been overclocked at 252 close to a month now, so far so good.....I did try it a 264 for a while but didn't really notice that much difference and plus I didn't want to take a chance on draining the battery any faster...at 252 my battery still last the whole day on a full charge with a few hours on the phone, couple of hours on wifi, and a couple of hours of watching a movie (via TCPMP)...I have it overclocked all the time at 252 even when it comes out of stanby/and after a soft reset....hope this helps....

In MY business environment, htc s620 with bluetooth enabled and push e-mail enabled, with 15-25 phone call a day, some internet browsing, without tornado power control the battery ends before dinner, and sometime also dinners are part of the business !
My Hermes? always a USB-MINI USB adapter is in my pocket! Wizard? something better! Nokia 6310i? 2-3 days!
Lesson Learned: downclocking is more important in .BIZ than overclocking!

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kwues said:
Hi, I am trying to install this program as well, but having a little difficulty finding the download for Compact Framework Version 2.0 SP1...I would greatly appreciate if you could help me out.....regarding the highest stable clock speed, I have been testing it at 252 and 264 and personally feel that 252 is pretty stable....thanks for your time.
Regards,
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log int xda ftp and you will find just the cab file that you need, instead of the 22 mb download from MS. i am attaching total commander for smartphone it has ftp and reg editer, if you type this into any desktop browers or pocket explorer it will login.
ftp://xda:[email protected]/ xda:xda meaning usernameassword for any other ftp sites. hope that helps.
actually both files will be in ftp excalibur folder. side note you probalby know this, but all files that need or require desktop install, just go to c:\program files\microsoft activesync and you will find the cab file, nice to store for later use. sometimes they will be seperate folder instaed activesynce, well hope some part of this was of any use

Ok i set OmapClock to 252mhz, and i set TornadoTotalControl to 228mhz.. am i doing it right?? i just overlooked my settings and now i think i have it set up wrong.. when i set OmapClock to 252mhz and set the clock its fine but when i reopen OmapClock again it reset back to 132mhz.. is it because when it hibernates the clock resets its speed?? Isn't TornadoTotalControl suppose to keep it overclocked?? hmm.. opinions please.. thanks..

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Hi,
Everytime i overclock my S620 to 252MHz my phone crashes it freezes up and i cannot do anything accept pull the battery. Am i doing something wrong?? Please HELP!!
Thanks

datacrime said:
Hi,
Everytime i overclock my S620 to 252MHz my phone crashes it freezes up and i cannot do anything accept pull the battery. Am i doing something wrong?? Please HELP!!
Thanks
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Everytime I am close to 11.000 RPM my fiat car engine stops running. Am I doing something wrong?
YES! found: I forgot to connect the brain before starting the engine
Simply you have understoood why your S620 processor is a 200 Mhz processor, because is GUARANTEED working at 200 Mhz! Any overclock isn't, read the DISCLAIMER in Tornado Power Control before testing it at 300 Mhz!

sergiopi said:
Everytime I am close to 11.000 RPM my fiat car engine stops running. Am I doing something wrong?
YES! found: I forgot to connect the brain before starting the engine
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LOL. Very nice (and polite) response!

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other people with the same phone have reported that it is stable at 252 so why would'nt mine? What is a stable speed to overclock it to?
Thanks

Does this work better than omap? because I can't seem to get omap working on my Dash.

datacrime said:
other people with the same phone have reported that it is stable at 252 so why would'nt mine? What is a stable speed to overclock it to?
Thanks
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Because you CAN'T pair the words "stable" and "overclock", otherwise, if it was stable at 220 Mhz (or 230 or 250 whatever) they will sell it as OMAP 220 Mhz, instead of OMAP 200 Mhz!
OVERCLOCK means "OVER THE STABLE CLOCK CERTIFIED FROM COMPANY"
How is your wife in the bed? I don't know, some like her, some other don't...

sergiopi said:
Because you CAN'T pair the words "stable" and "overclock", otherwise, if it was stable at 220 Mhz (or 230 or 250 whatever) they will sell it as OMAP 220 Mhz, instead of OMAP 200 Mhz!
OVERCLOCK means "OVER THE STABLE CLOCK CERTIFIED FROM COMPANY"
How is your wife in the bed? I don't know, some like her, some other don't...
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That is incorrect. It has nothing to do with stability. It has everything to do with optimal battery life. HTC made their phone with a 200 MHz chip because it provides optimal battery life. Once you overclock it, even 10%, you significantly reduce your battery life due to the faster CPU speed.
An OMAP CPU rated at 200MHz doesn't mean that it won't run stable at 240MHz or higher. The last two phones I've had I ran overclocked 240MHz for months without issue.
Whether or not your phone will run stable at 240MHz is a crapshoot, however... Basically, you can step up the overclocking until the point where the phone locks up and reboots itself. One or two steps below that is the "safe" overclocking speed.

http://focus.ti.com/graphics/wtbu/blockdiagrams/l4_omap850.gif
This is the link to the processor scheme... the data sheet clearly state for the ARM926EJ subsystem MAXIMUM frequency as 200 Mhz
Isn't only a power problem, is also a heat problem and in some conditions it could be critical. Also the other subsystems couldn't accept data at that frequency, depending from tolerance related to building technology and may be the ARM processor works but other components (EDGE, Bluetooth, WIFI, ... ) could overheat.
That's why the overclocker builders always say: USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...lateId=6123&navigationId=12000&contentId=4679
link to TI Specs
Summarizing:
Insn't common to fry a processor just for a little (20%) overclock and normal conditions, but if you overclock more than 20% and use it at full power for a couple of ours you love to live on the edge man!
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OMAP850 Features:
Low-Power, High-Performance CMOS Technology
Low-voltage 130 nm technology
1.1 - 1.5V cores, 1.8 - 2.75V IO
Extremely low power consumption: less than 10 µA in standby mode
Split power supplies for application processing, digital baseband and real-time clock enable precise control over power consumption
Optimized clocking and power management: Only two clocks required at 13 MHz and 32 kHz
ARM926TEJ Core Subsystem
ARM926EJ-S V5 architecture up to 200 MHz (maximum frequency)
16 kB I-cache; 8 kB D-cache
Java acceleration in hardware
Multimedia instruction set architecture (ISA) extension
EDGE Digital Baseband Subsystem
384 K-bytes internal SRAM
E-OTD and TTY support
Quad vocoder with EFR, FR, HR, AMR
GSM ultra-low power device (ULPD)
SIM interface

ummmm....
sergiopi said:
Because you CAN'T pair the words "stable" and "overclock", otherwise, if it was stable at 220 Mhz (or 230 or 250 whatever) they will sell it as OMAP 220 Mhz, instead of OMAP 200 Mhz!
OVERCLOCK means "OVER THE STABLE CLOCK CERTIFIED FROM COMPANY"
How is your wife in the bed? I don't know, some like her, some other don't...
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actually, you can pair the words. I am coming from a PC Gamer standpoint. Look at 3 things
1.) how long will it most likely last if I OC it
2.) Do I plan to have this device for that long? (most cases "no")
3.) can it handle my workload (gaming) without crashing or freezing. (if yes then stable, besides those companies that certify things certify them under a very strict bar.)

overxtone said:
actually, you can pair the words. I am coming from a PC Gamer standpoint. Look at 3 things
1.) how long will it most likely last if I OC it
2.) Do I plan to have this device for that long? (most cases "no")
3.) can it handle my workload (gaming) without crashing or freezing. (if yes then stable, besides those companies that certify things certify them under a very strict bar.)
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Another way of looking @ it is that most CPU's come in underclocked the reason why so we buy a better model, even more recently we find CPU's just with cores disabled so as they fit into the lower price bracket, so a stable clock is more than capable on many CPU's obviously depending on other factors RAM speed, BIOS blah blah blah "sorry just far too many factors"
Lets just now go back to these tiny PC's "PPC's" it's the same principle Stock frequencys lower than HTC\M$ stated the device runs @.
If my [email protected] are too warm then i OC'd too much, if the screen whites i OC'd too much, the device freezes i OC'd too much.
Sod it 240MHz and stable what more do i want? A substancial speed boost without an excessive heat load.
B.T.W i'm just rambling

yay...
...yay, So I assume you agree with me? lol

overxtone said:
...yay, So I assume you agree with me? lol
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Yep i just had a long winded way of going about it

Basically ..........ummm.... FLAME ON!..

[q] Livewallpapers

Hello!
I-m trying to apply several live wallpapers. Some crash, its acceptable.
Others, plain buggy. Example: Galatic Core.
I select it in the Livewallpapers selector, it does not error, and shows a black screen. i press settings, get the message "buy the app", and then it shows!
If i then select it, i get a black screen... and then the original wallpaper again.
Anyone got more luck than i ?

They were never meant to run on our phones so they will be iffy at best for performance
Also if your using cm6 that's a known issue across the board with them
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App

thoughtlesskyle said:
They were never meant to run on our phones so they will be iffy at best for performance
Also if your using cm6 that's a known issue across the board with them
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App
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Could you guys please stop doing that ?
"" XPTO was not meant to run on our phone ""
What is it there... that our phones have... or have not... that make a given app not run ? Sure... we can agree on "it wasn't designed for 320x240. Ok, i agree too.
But either than that ?? Yeah, our CPU is the slower MSM on the field, at least compared to Diamonds/Raphaels and upwards... but hey!! We have 1/4 of the pixels to take care of. That sould give us some room...
Now, don't get me wrong. It was not designed to run Android. But that doesn't mean it was not meant to. Take for example a simple little phone, sold here on Portugal as Optimus Boston. It has a MSM cpu... it came with 1.6 running at 600mhz... but the latest update to Eclair 2.1... underclocked it to 480. My kaiser usually runs at 550. (official rom, its possible to have custom roms running at the original 600.) and it still is a great phone... look at the simple specs :
http://www.gsmarena.com/gigabyte_gsmart_g1305_boston-3201.php
Now, someone explain... why can't our Kaiser/Vogue/Polaris run Android like that leatle freak underclocked to 480 runs. Please.

The fact that we have absolutely no RAM doesn't play into it ever since sheer clock speed always determines speed, to be honest I haven't even seen them run well on my hero and I have it OC'd to 691
But hey if you want to argue about it there are links to the source around go in and fix the problem, most of the devs for this project have more important things to focus on at the moment
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App

thoughtlesskyle said:
The fact that we have absolutely no RAM doesn't play into it ever since sheer clock speed always determines speed, to be honest I haven't even seen them run well on my hero and I have it OC'd to 691
But hey if you want to argue about it there are links to the source around go in and fix the problem, most of the devs for this project have more important things to focus on at the moment
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App
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Do not feel ofended. It was not my intention.
My point is that if we had accepted the slowness of our devices, we would never had attempted to port Android.
As for the RAM, agree.. it is a bottleneck...
Now, has for speed... i've seen them run well... on other devices of course.

I did many tests on my Kais130 Fresh Froyo, about livewallpapers
I agree with Daedric on the ability of our device.
I managed to run the "Grass" Wallpaper properly. Others, like Mario, Galactic Core, ... Sometimes with bugs and/or too many resources used.
It seems to me that LiveWallpapers work less well in the latest Froyo

Well were not the slowest android phone anymore. But that doesnt mean much, we still have a lot of instability. The ram limitation can be overcome with comp cache (virtual memory) but that brings only more instability and adds overhead that we don't need. Also the performance just isnt there yet. Our phones beat only one phone and thats because that phone doesnt have froyo on it. Otherwise it would beat ours out. Also that was with my kaiser overclocked to 572 mhz with a gpu overclock as well. Any other phone msm 7200 phone at those speeds kick our kaisers ass. I think the resource intense ones are just not meant to work well at all for us. My background works at least lol, I use a background that shows the core of a 486 cpu.

aceoyame said:
Well were not the slowest android phone anymore. But that doesnt mean much, we still have a lot of instability. The ram limitation can be overcome with comp cache (virtual memory) but that brings only more instability and adds overhead that we don't need. Also the performance just isnt there yet. Our phones beat only one phone and thats because that phone doesnt have froyo on it. Otherwise it would beat ours out. Also that was with my kaiser overclocked to 572 mhz with a gpu overclock as well. Any other phone msm 7200 phone at those speeds kick our kaisers ass. I think the resource intense ones are just not meant to work well at all for us. My background works at least lol, I use a background that shows the core of a 486 cpu.
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Should we assume... that at the same speed, diferent MSM devices offer diferent performance ? Or, are we simply doing still things wrong, i don't know, perhaps a poor schedule, buggy drivers which introduce lag, perhaps the graphic one.
We must remember, they kick our kaiser hard, but they have much more pixels, how can that be ?

[Q] Overclock

Well i have a phone, and in that forum members says that Overclock the cpu shorts the motherboard life, is that true? and for those who are using Overclock, do u really feel something diferent with the performance of the tablet? or do u see something wrong with Overclock? like random reeboots or makes the tablet hot? Im thinking in OC or not my tab, so i wanna see the experience from other members, thx in advance. :good:

Deshabilitado said:
Well i have a phone, and in that forum members says that Overclock the cpu shorts the motherboard life, is that true? and for those who are using Overclock, do u really feel something diferent with the performance of the tablet? or do u see something wrong with Overclock? like random reeboots or makes the tablet hot? Im thinking in OC or not my tab, so i wanna see the experience from other members, thx in advance. :good:
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I cover this in the guide I wrote in general (which has been pushed down quite a ways) but anyways here goes another version.
Overclocking varies from device to device, even of the same model. Variances in tolerance is on a per chip basis, as long as they pass within a certain range they are sent out for production in devices. Overclocking in general is within means of the chip's abilities, if it isn't, you'll know it. Generally speaking, 1.4 GHz is perfectly fine on our devices. 1.5 GHz is also usually ok, but is the upper end of what the Tegra2 can usually tolerate. Few an go past 1.58 GHz, my old G2x's tegra2 could hit 1.7 GHz,but that's well beyond "normal" range.
Overclocking a device is the same as overclocking a PC, you need to be careful with it. Don't just ramp it to 65% overclock and expect it to run fine. Every chip is different. Do it in steps, and test each step before moving on. Test it in normal usage, test it in heavy usage, gaming, etc.
An overclocked device will certainly run hotter then normal, it's running faster, drawing more power, and that creates a hotter running core, no way around it. Keeping in mind there is no airflow in these things, that makes the biggest enemy to CPUs even more dangerous.Does it run so hot that it can shorten component life? Sure it can. Will you still have the device when it happens? I doubt it. Likely, we'll be on Tegra5 before it even begins to show signs of stress.
One of the nice things, though, is our CPUs range so much in speed according to load that just because your Max is 1.5 GHz, it doesn't always run there. Most times, it won't even be in the overclocked speeds. Does it run faster? Sure does. Benchmarks will raise nicely, and games that maybe got choppy before will smooth out, movies that couldn't play well will be fluid, the heavens will align, mankind will discover world peace and I'll win the lottery.
All that being said, I don't usually overclock, in fact I tend to underclock a little to 800MHz. Its usually sufficient to do normal tablet stuff, and I adjust the speed according to what I require. If my movie is lagging, I'll bump it up until it smooths out. Same for a game if it needs it.
In the end, its all personal choice, really. Just because you CAN overclock, doesn't mean you NEED to. IMO a well tuned governor will give as good a result as overclocking in normal usage, and a good I/O Scheduler will also help alot, without adding anymore heat or stress to your device.
TL;DNR:
Overclocking is fun. It causes more heat. It likely won't explode within the time you own it. Or your children. Your battery will suck.

thanks pio for the answer, thats what i needed to read, cuz usually when u talk about OC its like "yeah dude, OC its "tha greeeeeat doi it dude" or something like "dont do it!!! u will decrease your tablet life" and yes, i know that devices are way to diferent even if they are the same model, and also im agree with u, governors and I/O works better than OC but we dont have many for our device, i miss the smartass v2 governor,or the brazzilianwax too, but well, hope someone can port it for us someday.

[Q] Decent CPU Temp (Heavy Load) For Nexus 7 2013 with Root & Stock 4.4

Hello everyone! I am very, very happy because i bought a Nexus 7 2013 a week ago. That same night I got home from the shop I knew it was getting root permissions. So i did the rooting method with WugFreshes toolkit and it worked like a dream I must admit. TWRP and Superuser installed in a flash.
After root permissions the fun started - Custom Rom's, Mods, Tweaks you name it. I am currently using Stock Kitkat 4.4 ROM with many tweaks:
PureGraphic HD
PurePeformances
AwesomeBeats
PureAudio
I have the Franco Kernel and it's great. I have had no issues what so ever so far. It's smooth, fast and responsive. Games run extraordinary fast, I can amp up the graphics without to much frame drops, this includes games like GTA SA, GTA VC, Modern Combat 4 and N64/PS1 Emulators (and yes i own the roms :highfive. Back to the Kernel. All Wireless adapters are working (bluetooth, wifi, nfc etc), and wifi seems faster. Battery doesn't drain very fast at all, even with intensive load. But here is where my question actually is ...
I do understand that this question has been answered somewhere else in the Nexus 7 2013 forum, however can someone tell me my question in more detail? Thanks. :good:
Q. My question is, between what cpu temperatures is safe for my nexus 7 2013 to play intensive games at (etc emualtors, gta series, MC4)? What temperatures should i be alerted at. I am currently running GTA Sandreas and emulators at around 50-65 Degrese celcius (yes that's right celcius us auzzies use the metric system :silly: . )
Also if i overclocked it to 1.7GHZ then what would a stable temp be while idling and heavy load? (thanks!)
(last minute edit... Also what CPU is really used in this? People say it's an undercloked s4 pro or something? So if overcloked back to 1.7GHZ it'll be fine? Right?...)
Other information consist of:
.All the mods i said i have, stated earlier
.Franco Kernal
.Wireless devices faster tweaks
.Use 4x MSSA
.Warn at 65 Degrees Celcius
.Other small mods i can not think of...
.Stock GPU & CPU clock speeds
If anyone can ask my question A.S.A.P it would be greatly appreciated, i am currently new to XDA but not the the Android OS. And to all of you whom think Android is a terrible OS go get one of the most biggest fails since Apple Newton the iPad.
P.S The XDA forums is great, and everyone on here deserves a good old beer. If this thread violates any T&C please go right ahead and delete it. Thanks so much,
" Be nice to nerds, because chances are you will probably work for one someday" - Bill Gates.
My devices and devices i have had:
.Samsung Galaxy Ace S5830
.Galaxy S2 I900T White
.Galaxy S2 I900T Black
.Sony Xperia Z
.Pendo Pad 7
.Softwner Tablet 7"
.Huawei Acend y201
.Galaxy Nexus
.Nexus 7 2013

How come nobody has said nothing to this question?
Btw, my cpu hit 91º C this morning while I was playing nova 3 and I was using an overlay to see my gpu frequencies and usage. I think is too much.

CheyTac-12 said:
How come nobody has said nothing to this question?
Btw, my cpu hit 91º C this morning while I was playing nova 3 and I was using an overlay to see my gpu frequencies and usage. I think is too much.
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I personally wouldn't worry about cpu temp that much. All the developers of custom kernels will set the thermal limits to whatever they think is appropriate. A much bigger concern than the cpu temp is heat being conducted to the battery. I would make a point of keeping the battery below 120F and I personally don't want to see over 110F (around 45C).

wantabe said:
I personally wouldn't worry about cpu temp that much. All the developers of custom kernels will set the thermal limits to whatever they think is appropriate. A much bigger concern than the cpu temp is heat being conducted to the battery. I would make a point of keeping the battery below 120F and I personally don't want to see over 110F (around 45C).
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The overlay thing I was talking about earlier was the cause for that cpu temp, it used like 2 entire cores to function, without it, temps are more stable, can you believe that the tablet actually kinda burned my fingers if I pressed too hard? That's insane.
Now, I understand that the battery's temperature is something important, so you don't ruin your battery lifespan, but how come cpu temps don't matter as much as battery's does? What's the max temp for these devices?

CheyTac-12 said:
The overlay thing I was talking about earlier was the cause for that cpu temp, it used like 2 entire cores to function, without it, temps are more stable, can you believe that the tablet actually kinda burned my fingers if I pressed too hard? That's insane.
Now, I understand that the battery's temperature is something important, so you don't ruin your battery lifespan, but how come cpu temps don't matter as much as battery's does? What's the max temp for these devices?
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I'm going to "guess" and say somewhere around 100C for the cpu. Just a guess. 60C for the battery would absolutely be bad news. 50C would make me nervous. Also the cpu will start to get throttled (underclocked) once it gets up to a certain temp, And once it reaches the max temp the cpu will get shut down and you will have to wait for it to cool down before it will boot back up. I would worry about the heat affecting the motherboard and the components on that before I would worry about heat damaging the cpu.

XxAuzzi3L3g3ndx said:
Hello everyone! I am very, very happy because i bought a Nexus 7 2013 a week ago. That same night I got home from the shop I knew it was getting root permissions. So i did the rooting method with WugFreshes toolkit and it worked like a dream I must admit. TWRP and Superuser installed in a flash.
After root permissions the fun started - Custom Rom's, Mods, Tweaks you name it. I am currently using Stock Kitkat 4.4 ROM with many tweaks:
PureGraphic HD
PurePeformances
AwesomeBeats
PureAudio
I have the Franco Kernel and it's great. I have had no issues what so ever so far. It's smooth, fast and responsive. Games run extraordinary fast, I can amp up the graphics without to much frame drops, this includes games like GTA SA, GTA VC, Modern Combat 4 and N64/PS1 Emulators (and yes i own the roms :highfive. Back to the Kernel. All Wireless adapters are working (bluetooth, wifi, nfc etc), and wifi seems faster. Battery doesn't drain very fast at all, even with intensive load. But here is where my question actually is ...
I do understand that this question has been answered somewhere else in the Nexus 7 2013 forum, however can someone tell me my question in more detail? Thanks. :good:
Q. My question is, between what cpu temperatures is safe for my nexus 7 2013 to play intensive games at (etc emualtors, gta series, MC4)? What temperatures should i be alerted at. I am currently running GTA Sandreas and emulators at around 50-65 Degrese celcius (yes that's right celcius us auzzies use the metric system :silly: . )
Also if i overclocked it to 1.7GHZ then what would a stable temp be while idling and heavy load? (thanks!)
(last minute edit... Also what CPU is really used in this? People say it's an undercloked s4 pro or something? So if overcloked back to 1.7GHZ it'll be fine? Right?...)
Other information consist of:
.All the mods i said i have, stated earlier
.Franco Kernal
.Wireless devices faster tweaks
.Use 4x MSSA
.Warn at 65 Degrees Celcius
.Other small mods i can not think of...
.Stock GPU & CPU clock speeds
If anyone can ask my question A.S.A.P it would be greatly appreciated, i am currently new to XDA but not the the Android OS. And to all of you whom think Android is a terrible OS go get one of the most biggest fails since Apple Newton the iPad.
P.S The XDA forums is great, and everyone on here deserves a good old beer. If this thread violates any T&C please go right ahead and delete it. Thanks so much,
" Be nice to nerds, because chances are you will probably work for one someday" - Bill Gates.
My devices and devices i have had:
.Samsung Galaxy Ace S5830
.Galaxy S2 I900T White
.Galaxy S2 I900T Black
.Sony Xperia Z
.Pendo Pad 7
.Softwner Tablet 7"
.Huawei Acend y201
.Galaxy Nexus
.Nexus 7 2013
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Theorically speaking, the safe working temperatures would be the where the thermal limit is which is around 105ºC.
However, it doesn't work like this because heat spreads to other components and more importantly, it spreads to the battery and we all know batteries don't like hot temperatures since it drastically reduces their life span and charge capability.
On practice, I would say keeping your CPU below 70ºC which will result in a colder battery aswell is the sweet spot.
On the Overclock matter, I have mine at 1900'ish Mhz and my GPU is at 490'ish Mhz and I haven't experienced any abnormal temperatures while runing benchmarks. Infact, the temps were kept below 50ºC which is more than fine.

wantabe said:
I'm going to "guess" and say somewhere around 100C for the cpu. Just a guess. 60C for the battery would absolutely be bad news. 50C would make me nervous. Also the cpu will start to get throttled (underclocked) once it gets up to a certain temp, And once it reaches the max temp the cpu will get shut down and you will have to wait for it to cool down before it will boot back up. I would worry about the heat affecting the motherboard and the components on that before I would worry about heat damaging the cpu.
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I think the battery burns like hell when you're playing and charging it at the same time, am I right? I wonder, if the cpu and gpu are underload, the battery will drain quickly, does this mean that this produces more heat to the battery? How does that work.

CheyTac-12 said:
The overlay thing I was talking about earlier was the cause for that cpu temp, it used like 2 entire cores to function, without it, temps are more stable, can you believe that the tablet actually kinda burned my fingers if I pressed too hard? That's insane.
Now, I understand that the battery's temperature is something important, so you don't ruin your battery lifespan, but how come cpu temps don't matter as much as battery's does? What's the max temp for these devices?
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Thanks m8. I don't have to worrie about it anymore... The Nexus came to a screen smashing end...

CPU thermal throttling under heavy usage

Can someone run a long CPU throttling test on this phone to see how heavily it scales as heat builds? The only test I've found online is https://3dnews.ru/assets/external/illustrations/2019/05/27/988154/sm.throttle_1.400.jpg, and it's pretty bad. I've seem comments about how this is one of the hottest 855 devices, and I dunno if you can use some software workarond like on some Xiaomi phones.
The test above was done using https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=skynet.cputhrottlingtest.
I've been looking for a strong phone to run emulators and my picks where either this or the Xiaomi 9T/K20 series. Screen, camera and development edged me towards this phone, but if it can barely sustain a gaming session then it's no good.

When I got mine I used it as a hotspot for 4 days while waiting for the flipcase I had ordered.
I was running both the 2.4G and 5G wifi hotspots at the same time, with a laptop and several other devices using it, and I also used it normally at the same time and even ran some benchmarks like Antutu, and it only got lukewarm at most.
Of course I have the E30 model with 12GB ram, which probably helps keep it cooler.
I'm still on Android 9 if that matters.

cobben said:
When I got mine I used it as a hotspot for 4 days while waiting for the flipcase I had ordered.
I was running both the 2.4G and 5G wifi hotspots at the same time, with a laptop and several other devices using it, and I also used it normally at the same time and even ran some benchmarks like Antutu, and it only got lukewarm at most.
Of course I have the E30 model with 12GB ram, which probably helps keep it cooler.
I'm still on Android 9 if that matters.
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I found various results on Antutu and similar apps, but that only says about burst usage. If that image I linked is correct, after a few minutes the processor clock falls drastically.
If you don't mind please run the app I linked and print the result here. The default time is 15 minutes, but if you can manage a longer test I would appreciate. Of course you'll need to leave the phone resting during that time, so keep that in mind.
An example of a good result, ran on a Mi 9: https://i.redd.it/sh23onvimmq31.png. The phone can be used at full power without downclocking for a long time.

Here are the result. It depends on the temp on the sensor. It hit 90c when ran at full clock speed and it dropped to dynamic clock speed when it was hot on prime core. When it was cold enough it can boost to full speed again.
The environment temp was around 25c. Probably worse if the env temp was high

mickey36736 said:
Here are the result. It depends on the temp on the sensor. It hit 90c when ran at full clock speed and it dropped to dynamic clock speed when it was hot on prime core. When it was cold enough it can boost to full speed again.
The environment temp was around 25c. Probably worse if the env temp was high
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Thanks a lot! Finally more data on this.
The clean step is similar to the first slowdown on the test I linked, maybe from some governor setting on the kernel. There should be a way to either remove or relax the thermal profile if needed, but while a tiered throttle might be too overzealous at least it makes for less performance flutuation.
Anyway, overall it's far from what I've seem before, and pretty good on my book. Good to know. Are you on Android 10 already?

XDFefo said:
Thanks a lot! Finally more data on this.
The clean step is similar to the first slowdown on the test I linked, maybe from some governor setting on the kernel. There should be a way to either remove or relax the thermal profile if needed, but while a tiered throttle might be too overzealous at least it makes for less performance flutuation.
Anyway, overall it's far from what I've seem before, and pretty good on my book. Good to know. Are you on Android 10 already?
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Yes, I'm on Android 10 right now. Every day use is fine but actually warmer than I expected. Especially when I do a lot of opening apps, switch between apps that ramp up the prime core.

XDFefo said:
Thanks a lot! Finally more data on this.
The clean step is similar to the first slowdown on the test I linked, maybe from some governor setting on the kernel. There should be a way to either remove or relax the thermal profile if needed, but while a tiered throttle might be too overzealous at least it makes for less performance flutuation.
Anyway, overall it's far from what I've seem before, and pretty good on my book. Good to know. Are you on Android 10 already?
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I found thermal config file in /vendor/etc
It use virtual-threm to set cpu clock speed in this snapdragon 855 platform based on current temperature.
This is the stock setting that I got from here
https://github.com/AndroidDumps/asu...0-release-keys/vendor/etc/thermal-engine.conf