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US 3G Diamond - What gives it 3G

I noticed an unlocked US 3G Diamond at Best Buy today. I'm sure this has been asked before, but I can't seem to find the answer.
What makes the US version work on AT&T with 3G over the imported version? I have not seen a radio upgrade that allows it yet. The handsets actually looked quite similar with the exception of the back and battery.
I'm just curious whether to pick up the new one in order to get 3G service, or is there a radio update expected?
Thanks to anyone that can shed some light on it for me.

I have a US 3G version and the freq. that at&t uses here has been enabled.

mpf54 said:
I have a US 3G version and the freq. that at&t uses here has been enabled.
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Sure, it would be the 850 and 1900 Bands. But there are Quad-Band radios available for the EU Diamond. I wonder if it's a question about the device not having specific hardware or just being able to enable those bands to work properly.

Sorry for my english
he American Diamond has quad band in GSM and only two band in HSDPA, The people here says that is a har problem not the radio, the people put the american radio (08) in European version and dont work.
The American version came with the 1340 mh battery and without the front camera. Carlos

Sorry for my english
The American Diamond has quad band in GSM and only two band in HSDPA (3G), The people here says that is a hard problem, not the radio, the people put the american radio (08) in European version and dont work.
The American version came with the 1340 mh battery and without the front camera. Carlos

I have a Touch Diamond I bought last week from new Egg, just like the ones from best buy. For some reason, I can pick up the 3G signal and it will hold on to it for just a second, then x..{disconnects}..then immediatly picks up Edge and then Hsdpa?
I get 25% Edge and 75% Hdspa. I guess if you read the box, it says it picks up a 3.5G internet Broadband Connection....Anything over 3.5mbps is Hsdpa.

calito said:
The American Diamond has quad band in GSM and only two band in HSDPA (3G), The people here says that is a hard problem, not the radio, the people put the american radio (08) in European version and dont work.
The American version came with the 1340 mh battery and without the front camera. Carlos
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I notcied that the US version had the 1350 mAh battery instead of the 900 mAh like the EU version. Was there any documentation on why they did this? Has anyone checked if putting the smaller battery and slimmer back on the US version causes any problems?
I also find it odd that HTC briefly listed the Diamond as a Quad-Band phone on their website, and have since changed it back to a Tri-Band phone.

I still have hope that our European Diamond will work with US 3G with somefirm ware flash or something

No, it will not.
charly_mx said:
I still have hope that our European Diamond will work with US 3G with somefirm ware flash or something
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Enable 850mhz

Hi Guys,
After alot of searching on here I was still unable to find my answer.
Im currently using XBMOD's ROM (thanks man its tops) I dont want to change from it. But the problem I am having is here in Australia im with Telstra and it uses 850mhz for its 3.5 NextG network.
I have noticed that with majority of the roms on here this is enabled or even supported. I know my phone has it because when i load it up with Telstras ROM everything works like Foxtel and and what not.
Is there someone out there that can help me get this up and running.
Then we could start mixing it in with the roms here.
thanks

is your phone the European Version?

yeah im pretty sure it is.

I'm using a Telstra diamond, and im running the official Asia 2.03 rom, and it works fine...the network drop down box doesn't show UMTS 850MHz, but it is picked up as far as i know...(i've travelled to a nextG only town and had signal - even without the patch attached installed)...also all the quad band radios support 850MHz, you can enable it in the drop down list using this patch if you want:

i installed it, but where do you enable it? which drop down list?

It's not software that allows us with Telstra Diamonds to connect to the other frequencies but hardware.
Our Telstra Diamond's are DIAM130's. They have extra hardware to enable the use of our 3G frequencies.

well i know i have the hardware cause when i am using the telstra stock rom i can do what i want to do.. so its more of a software side where i have to activate that piece of hardware

luckyluke1137 said:
well i know i have the hardware cause when i am using the telstra stock rom i can do what i want to do.. so its more of a software side where i have to activate that piece of hardware
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Just because you can access the Telstra features doesn't necessarily mean you're on the 850Mhz band (trust me, I learned the hard way)... you could be connecting through their 2100 Mhz network (I think it's 2100). Even if you have the option of selecting 850 Mhz in the phone settings it doesn't mean you have the hardware for it.
Want a definitive check? Try restricting the phone to the 850 Mhz setting and seeing if you can still connect. Otherwise, pull the back cover off, pull the battery away from body and read the model number below the bluetooth icon (assuming they all have this)... if it's a DIAM100 then definitely no go. If it's a DIAM130 then you're laughing and I'm not to sure on any other model no's though.
I've flashed a myriad of ROM's from here on the DIAM130 and have never had an issue with connecting to the NextG network... they have all connected straight after reboot. The only thing you have to do for internet access is ensure you set the HTTP proxy to 10.1.1.181:80 although it has worked fine for me without this.

luckyluke1137 said:
i installed it, but where do you enable it? which drop down list?
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Click phone, go to Menu, then go Options, go Band... the settings are in there...
Windza said:
Just because you can access the Telstra features doesn't necessarily mean you're on the 850Mhz band (trust me, I learned the hard way)... you could be connecting through their 2100 Mhz network (I think it's 2100). Even if you have the option of selecting 850 Mhz in the phone settings it doesn't mean you have the hardware for it....
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I live in rural NSW, there is only the nextG 850MHz network here, or GSM...where i checked the signal was a nextG only region...no GSM coverage at all...so i think that's proof enough don't you?

lasterato said:
I live in rural NSW, there is only the nextG 850MHz network here, or GSM...where i checked the signal was a nextG only region...no GSM coverage at all...so i think that's proof enough don't you?
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Certainly is - but you have a Telstra Diamond and my comment was directed at luckyluke... or did I miss something ?

radio .08
works perfect for me.

Windza said:
Just because you can access the Telstra features doesn't necessarily mean you're on the 850Mhz band (trust me, I learned the hard way)... you could be connecting through their 2100 Mhz network (I think it's 2100). Even if you have the option of selecting 850 Mhz in the phone settings it doesn't mean you have the hardware for it.
Want a definitive check? Try restricting the phone to the 850 Mhz setting and seeing if you can still connect. Otherwise, pull the back cover off, pull the battery away from body and read the model number below the bluetooth icon (assuming they all have this)... if it's a DIAM100 then definitely no go. If it's a DIAM130 then you're laughing and I'm not to sure on any other model no's though.
I've flashed a myriad of ROM's from here on the DIAM130 and have never had an issue with connecting to the NextG network... they have all connected straight after reboot. The only thing you have to do for internet access is ensure you set the HTTP proxy to 10.1.1.181:80 although it has worked fine for me without this.
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Agree, rip the back off and do this check first, I've found no issues in using any rom's with my DIAM130. I've left band settings to Auto lately.
I use to go in and change the registry to show all bands, but got sick of doing it everytime a rom cooker "missed" our bands.
The cab from Dutty does work I think by my memory ?
I did have a DIAM100 proir, and yes it will show "Telstra" etc but you will NOT get NextG 850.
cheers

luckyluke1137 said:
Hi Guys,
After alot of searching on here I was still unable to find my answer.
Im currently using XBMOD's ROM (thanks man its tops) I dont want to change from it. But the problem I am having is here in Australia im with Telstra and it uses 850mhz for its 3.5 NextG network.
I have noticed that with majority of the roms on here this is enabled or even supported. I know my phone has it because when i load it up with Telstras ROM everything works like Foxtel and and what not.
Is there someone out there that can help me get this up and running.
Then we could start mixing it in with the roms here.
thanks
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HI
try to change registry key
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork\SupportHSUPA
from 0 to 1

My device is DIAM100 and upgrade to "hTC_Asia_WWE_2.03.707.2_Radio_Signed_D iamond_52.51.25.26_1.09.25.23". It also do not have 850Mhz. Is Radio 1.09.25.23 not Quad band support? But it appear when using original ROM.

Most radios support quad band UMTS.
DiAM100 devices do NOT though and this is a hardware limitation.

Hey man, from what you get diam100 have no quad band?
mine has!

Yuna said:
Hey man, from what you get diam100 have no quad band?
mine has!
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The context of 'quad' band in this thread is in relation to the Aussie Telco 'NextG' network which requires 850MHz UMTS connectivity - something you DON'T have on a DIAM100.

You meant only UMTS 850mhz or simply 850mhz (GSM & UMTS)?

Yuna said:
You meant only UMTS 850mhz or simply 850mhz (GSM & UMTS)?
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We're discussing 'NextG' which is 850MHz UMTS although Telstra do have 3G service via 2100 UMTS as well...

Hey guys,
thanks for the large amount off support. I check my phone. I have a DIAM130.
And I installed duttys cab and chose GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
and it still isnt doing what I want it to do.
Those that have nextg here know that you get access to bigpond, and foxtel mobile tv.
But this isnt working. I think there might be something in the registery I might have to change or something for it to know that its a telstra device.

What to do with a CDMA phone or even WCDMA?

Hi I am form New Zealand and I am thinking of getting a HTC Diamond.
Now New Zealand telecom uses the WCDMA network, and I suspect the phone will be CID locked as well.
A good friend of mine has a diamond from Germany which he has flashed several times (Radio+Roms) (he is using Vodafone in New Zealand, which is GSM)
I would like to know if I can follow the normal steps that I would do on a GSM phone on a CDMA phone. Which would be: HardSPL (e.g. Olinex 1.4)-> flash Radio or ROM.
What do I need to look out for, are there special HardSPL versions or ROMS available, or can I use any ROM or Radio?
in my defence, I really tried to find informaion here ono what to do with a CDMA phone but I couldn't find any helpful threads.
So please help me out or send me links for more information.
Thanks a lot

konrad.schafers said:
Hi I am form New Zealand and I am thinking of getting a HTC Diamond.
Now New Zealand telecom uses the WCDMA network, and I suspect the phone will be CID locked as well.
A good friend of mine has a diamond from Germany which he has flashed several times (Radio+Roms) (he is using Vodafone in New Zealand, which is GSM)
I would like to know if I can follow the normal steps that I would do on a GSM phone on a CDMA phone. Which would be: HardSPL (e.g. Olinex 1.4)-> flash Radio or ROM.
What do I need to look out for, are there special HardSPL versions or ROMS available, or can I use any ROM or Radio?
in my defence, I really tried to find informaion here ono what to do with a CDMA phone but I couldn't find any helpful threads.
So please help me out or send me links for more information.
Thanks a lot
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Although there are many APPs that can be used here on this forum for CDMA, Radio's, Roms & Hard SPL's require you to visit ....HERE

band27 is right, ppcgeeks is the best place to go for you HTC CDMA needs.

Thanks for the quick reply.
I'll check that site out.
Do you reckon it would be impossible to put a rom listed in this forum onto a CDMA phone. E.g. Shaks v4.0? Since my friend strongly recommends that and he doesn't know anything about specific CDMA ROMs. It just seems that it can be a lengthy path till you find the right ROM
How can I tell in advance whether an app will work or not?

konrad.schafers said:
Thanks for the quick reply.
I'll check that site out.
Do you reckon it would be impossible to put a rom listed in this forum onto a CDMA phone. E.g. Shaks v4.0? Since my friend strongly recommends that and he doesn't know anything about specific CDMA ROMs. It just seems that it can be a lengthy path till you find the right ROM
How can I tell in advance whether an app will work or not?
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ABSOLUTELY NOT regarding ROM's....you will brick your device. Most APPs are fine though.

GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U R ABOUT TO MAKE THIS GUY BRICK HIS PHONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
using WCDMA doesnt mean that ur phone is cdma!!!!!
wcdma is a coverage by the gsm if i am not mistaken.

Lokosis said:
band27 is right, ppcgeeks is the best place to go for you HTC CDMA needs.
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dude,make ur own research
dont flash anything until u talked to ur phone company n asked them if ur phn is cdma or gsm
from what i know , wcdma is a coverage of gsm.
wcdma and cdma is not the same thing or network

I am still not clear even after reading an article on wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCDMA
maybe this is a better wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Mobile_Telecommunications_System
maybe some experts can comment on this.
@konrad.schafers, you should NOT PERFORM ANY FLASH until you are sure which category your Diamond is.

deeren said:
dude,make ur own research
dont flash anything until u talked to ur phone company n asked them if ur phn is cdma or gsm
from what i know , wcdma is a coverage of gsm.
wcdma and cdma is not the same thing or network
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For the love of God, calling your phone provider to inquire whether your device is GSM or CDMA is not necessary.
Simply open the backing to your device and check if you have a SIM card.
SIM Card = GSM
No Sim Card = CDMA

In New Zealand Telecom has always had CDMA (no SIM), after Vodafone introduced 3G they will introduce W-CDMA (the way I see it it is a hybrid between GSM-UMTS and CDMA.
Here is the quote from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecom_New_Zealand)
On the 8 June 2007, Telecom announced a plan to build a hybrid W-CDMA/UMTS-CDMA network [14], based on the WCDMA HSPA technology, to replace its current CDMA EV-DO network. The network is planned to go online in June 2009 [15] running at 850 MHz with some 3G 2100 MHz for extra coverage in urban areas. Telstra's Next G (in Australia) and AT&T Wireless also have networks running on 850 MHz, which can cover greater geographic distances and penetrate buildings more effectively than higher frequencies. Current CDMA phones are guaranteed by Telecom to work until at least June 2012. The Telecom UMTS network is planned to have no GSM coverage, no roaming coverage for 2G phones. Foreign 850MHz (North American) and 2100MHz (European) UMTS handsets can roam to this network.
I really have to talk to someone from telecom directly. It looks like flashing either a CDMA rom or a GSM rom is dangerous

band27 said:
For the love of God, calling your phone provider to inquire whether your device is GSM or CDMA is not necessary.
Simply open the backing to your device and check if you have a SIM card.
SIM Card = GSM
No Sim Card = CDMA
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dude, there are cdma companies that make use of sim card too.!

deeren said:
dude, there are cdma companies that make use of sim card too.!
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Stay on topiic here....we are not talking about other companies. We are talking about the HTC Diamond....lol
None of these devices are dual compatible. However HTC is coming up with a product that will be introduced in the 2009 lineup. Off the top of my head...don't recall.

konrad.schafers said:
In New Zealand Telecom has always had CDMA (no SIM), after Vodafone introduced 3G they will introduce W-CDMA (the way I see it it is a hybrid between GSM-UMTS and CDMA.
Here is the quote from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecom_New_Zealand)
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You are right, the W-CDMA allows for CDMA devices the ability to use the 3G signals. Prior to this, CDMA devices were not 3G compatible.
I really have to talk to someone from telecom directly. It looks like flashing either a CDMA rom or a GSM rom is dangerous
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Calling your provider might lead to voiding the warranty of this product. If you follow instructions as per the Wiki's and reading lots of threads, like the rest of us on this forum, your experience here will be with out a doubt, a very positive one. Millions of us flashers have crossed that line and can speak to this that although at first we were all hesitate, we are glad we did..!!
Flashing is Not for Everyone! Fear determines this....
Good Luck in what ever choices you make....If you decide to cross that line then all your Radio and ROM needs can be found over at PPCgeek.coml.........Don't forget to Hard SPL first!!

If this helps
WCDMA is base on GSM technology
CDMA was developed by Qualcomm in the United States and is the dominant network in the USA- if this helps?
Please post what Current ROM, Radio your device has.

I haven't got one yet. I was checking out the possibilities of flashing etc. They'll only launch WCDMA in June over here. Yes they are quite backwards in NZ. no full 3G by the major provider (Vodafone has had it for while).
Or even worse the broadband over here!!! You Pay per GB, around $1NZD (~55 USc) per Gigabyte (plus $50NZD base charge) and that's by far the cheapest here. Ususally they charge you something like $50NZD per month for a Gigabyte of data usage and limited bandwidth. Maximum bandwidth on which they charge you heavily is maybe 6MB if you're lucky
I used to live in germany! This is driving me mad

a bit of topic but...
Germany is one of the best places for cheap charges and bandwidth for Broadband in Europe . Nz charges base charge is similar in the UK
Seems strange as Nz was clearing money cheques (remember these) the next day back in 1976 while the UK still takes 3-5 working days.

Me personally i flashed cdma rom into gsm diamond and it didnt get broken, it just did not boot up, so i had to flash again from bootloader but no one wants to experience such a story :-D

Unlocked TELUS PRO2 does not work on FIDO 3G network?

I bought HTC PRO2 (RHOD500) from Telus. I just noticed that it does not work on fido 3G network. GSM is fine.
If the Hard-SPL for world phone is released, can I use 3G fido network at that time?
Thanks

You can pay to get it sim unlocked now and it will work. Search for tmobile unlock on ebay. I am on Telus and it works perfect.

leanne said:
You can pay to get it sim unlocked now and it will work. Search for tmobile unlock on ebay. I am on Telus and it works perfect.
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I knew that, and my phone has been unlocked. I can make phone call without any problem.
However, I can not use it with fido 3G network.
It does not work at all

Hey,
I don’t think its the phone . I have seen this issue many times in the past All your data settings are still set up for TELUS and the CDMA network, It’s not as simple as just unlocking the SIM card to get the data to work you have to go in an re-program the phone. I would suggest finding the Data setting on a Windows mobile device Fido has and just copying those into you Touch Pro 2. (you will most likely need to do this by hand)
Can’t promise it will work as I know some Carriers have certain fields added and removed to fit their needs which messes up the phone when you unlock it to use on other networks.

Wait!!
does this mean the RHOD500 has GSM and CDMA??
--- Does this mean?
1. Buy Telus TP2
2. Unlock
3. Switch to Fido/Rogers
4. Flash 6.1 GSM rom
5. Use 3g?

I think the issue here is that the Telus TP2 has had the 850/1900MHz UMTS bands disabled for some retarded reason. (Seems especially retarded seeing as how they are rolling out a UMTS network running on those bands in a couple of months).
There is speculation that the bands physically exist on the Telus TP2 but they have been software disabled. The other possibility is that the hardware is not physically present to utilize the 850/1900MHz bands that Fido/Rogers use for their 3G data and that the Telus TP2 will never work on their 3G networks (as well as its own upcoming one) but I think that would be a seriously regretful move on Telus' part.
The spec sheet for the MSM7600 indicates that the phone may or may not be capable of using the 850/1900MHz bands, but according to HTC and Telus' specifications it definitely is able to use the 2100MHz bands (which makes zero sense in Canada since nobody will be using those bands for a long time).

Rick#2 said:
I think the issue here is that the Telus TP2 has had the 850/1900MHz UMTS bands disabled for some retarded reason. (Seems especially retarded seeing as how they are rolling out a UMTS network running on those bands in a couple of months).
There is speculation that the bands physically exist on the Telus TP2 but they have been software disabled. The other possibility is that the hardware is not physically present to utilize the 850/1900MHz bands that Fido/Rogers use for their 3G data and that the Telus TP2 will never work on their 3G networks (as well as its own upcoming one) but I think that would be a seriously regretful move on Telus' part.
The spec sheet for the MSM7600 indicates that the phone may or may not be capable of using the 850/1900MHz bands, but according to HTC and Telus' specifications it definitely is able to use the 2100MHz bands (which makes zero sense in Canada since nobody will be using those bands for a long time).
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This isn't extremely helpful, but
http://web.archive.org/web/20071025232258/www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7600_chipset.pdf
according to that (if I'm reading right) there has to be at least 1 other UMTS band, no configuration is ONLY 2100MHz (the chipset that does only that doesnt do the 1900MHz PCS band for CDMA). But really, I'm pretty much guessing.

Hi I am using the unlocked Telus version on Fido. It's true that you can't use 3G because the phone does not support the required bands. But I still use EDGE. It's slower but better than nothing. Create a new connection and name it Fido. APN is : internet.fido.ca
Username: fido
PW: fido
Hope this helps.

https://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Go to this site, click on the Details button and you'll see that the TP2 supports all of the above mentioned Bands. The bands are all software locked and once Telus initializes the new network (along with WinMo 6.5) they will offer the firmware upgrade to open ALL the GSM bands. It'll just be the question of unlocking the simlock on the device!

wraith79 said:
https://www.telusmobility.com/en/QC/htc_touchpro2_t7379/index.shtml
Go to this site, click on the Details button and you'll see that the TP2 supports all of the above mentioned Bands. The bands are all software locked and once Telus initializes the new network (along with WinMo 6.5) they will offer the firmware upgrade to open ALL the GSM bands. It'll just be the question of unlocking the simlock on the device!
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I think that maybe you are confusing GSM bands with the UMTS/HSPA bands.
There's a big difference between the GSM/Edge bands and WCDMA/UMTS.
I have been following the subject and there`s no concrete evidence that the 850/1900 WCDMA/UMTS bands are only software.
Where the hell did you get your firmware upgrade information? I've only seen this info given as pure speculation!
If the TouchPro 1 is any indication, the phone might be missing some key components to make it work. In the case of the TP1 it was the amplifier that was missing so it couldn't work even chipset and everything could support it.
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40)
So while it's possible, until someone does a teardown of the phone and we see all the required component it's simply not possible to say that 3G on a GSM network is possible.
The ONLY indication I have seen that it might support 850/1900 HSPA network is the fact that telus stated that the Tour and Storm will not work on the HSPA network. They failed to mention the TP2 so maybe we can read between the lines:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/

Axeslocked said:
Wait!!
does this mean the RHOD500 has GSM and CDMA??
--- Does this mean?
1. Buy Telus TP2
2. Unlock
3. Switch to Fido/Rogers
4. Flash 6.1 GSM rom
5. Use 3g?
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Oh and please never flash a GSM rom on a CDMA / World phone!

labbbby said:
Oh and please never flash a GSM rom on a CDMA / World phone!
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lol.. I second that

UMTS Bands
labbbby said:
I think that maybe you are confusing GSM bands with the UMTS/HSPA bands.
There's a big difference between the GSM/Edge bands and WCDMA/UMTS.
I have been following the subject and there`s no concrete evidence that the 850/1900 WCDMA/UMTS bands are only software.
Where the hell did you get your firmware upgrade information? I've only seen this info given as pure speculation!
If the TouchPro 1 is any indication, the phone might be missing some key components to make it work. In the case of the TP1 it was the amplifier that was missing so it couldn't work even chipset and everything could support it.
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40)
So while it's possible, until someone does a teardown of the phone and we see all the required component it's simply not possible to say that 3G on a GSM network is possible.
The ONLY indication I have seen that it might support 850/1900 HSPA network is the fact that telus stated that the Tour and Storm will not work on the HSPA network. They failed to mention the TP2 so maybe we can read between the lines:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/
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I have been following this debate on multiple forums.
Based on some information from RileyFreeman, I do think Telus will enable the TouchPro2 for new HSPA network.
Granted, today, you can unlock and use on Rogers, Fido or ATT networks using EDGE, it would be a real poor move for Telus to not have an upgrade path to HSPA.
This is Telus's non Blackberry flagship business device, today, Telus has Enterprise customers testing the HSPA network (likely either PC cards or USB modems). Once HTC releases Windows Mobile 6.5, this would be an ideal time to upgrade the radio's and unlock the 850/1900 UMTS bands.
I can see the 850/1900 bands today, not 100% if they are actually there, also wondering if Telus is also waiting for ATT to release TP2 so ATT can test ROM, Sprint nor Verizon would not have any need to do any regression testing on ROM that supports UMTS bands. Tell tale sign will be if ATT TP2 has same chipset as Telus TP2.
I am crossing my fingers that TP2 will support Telus Canadian SIM.

I agree with you points. By seing the bands you mean in windows mobile band selction settings? If so these are always there.
I highly doubt ATT will use the same chipset as Telus since they use the MSM7600 to support both GSM and CDMA. ATT as no need for CDMA.
Also to support my claim:
ATT is RHOD300 device.
I think Telus is RHOD500 and Sprint is RHOD400 (can't find this info but I know 400/500 are both world phone, so it might be the opposit or something)
Different RHODXXX indicates differents innards.
Bottom line I want a TP2 with 3G on Fido so Im crossing my finders too!
Edit:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/04/atandts-htc-touch-pro2-hits-the-fcc/
So that's Rhodium 100 for T-Mobile, 400/500 for Sprint and Verizon (or vice-versa) and 300 for AT&T
Noob mistake on my part I think the Rhodium XXX is FCC ...so why did I think Telus was in there =\

Sprint is RHOD400, Verizon and Telus both are RHOD500.

Verizon TP2 on ATT?

I switched to ATT because my wife wanted an IPhone. I figured the Tilt2 was the same as the Touch Pro2 on Verzion. I knew about the stupid keyboard, but had not realized it was missing the 3.5mm headphone jack. This is a big issue since the adapter is crappy and loose and audio is very poor. I use it in the car and everytime I pick it up to change songs the audio drops out and pops...
Anyway.. The Verizon phone has a Quadband GSM radio and Dual Band CDMA.
I read many places it will work on ATT, but only on the Edge network not the 3G network. See this article: http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/verizon-wireless-cdma-touch-pro2-works-on-gsm-att-network
If i'm not mistaken ATT uses 1900mhz
The specs on the VZW TP2 say:
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
CDMA dual band (1900/800 MHz)
UMTS European/Asian 3G (2100 MHz)
Does anyone know if this can be fixed to offer full 3G?
I would imagine you wouldn't want to keep the stock Verizon Rom.
Could you flash the latest energy Rom on a VZW TP2 and select ATT as your carrier?
I would also imagine flashing the latest GSM radio might be bad??
Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
I'd love to dump the stupid keyboard layout and lack of 3.5mm jack...

x51 said:
Does anyone know if this can be fixed to offer full 3G?
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It cannot.
I would also imagine flashing the latest GSM radio might be bad??
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Verizon released a Verizon TP2 radio upgrade in their official 6.5 ROM. A cab to install that radio alone without the official rom is definitely on PPCgeeks, and I'd imagine it's floating around here somewhere too. I don't know what you mean by "the latest GSM radio", but stick to the radio upgrade Verizon offered and don't flash anything intended for a solo GSM version of the TP2.

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I don't know what you mean by "the latest GSM radio", but stick to the radio upgrade Verizon offered and don't flash anything intended for a solo GSM version of the TP2.
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Thats what I meant.. The solo ATT GSM Radio. I figured it would be bad. There are many warnings that say it would be bad, But until just now I have not seen the REASON it's "BAD".... Bad can be relative.
If I'm on VZW and I flash a GSM radio and loose my CDMA.. Yeah thats bad!
But If I'm taking my VZW phone to ATT and I lose my CDMA but gain 3G.. Thats not so bad.
If I just brick the device... Thats really bad.
From some other posts I just read.. I think it bricks the device..
So for now.. I'll stick with the Tilt2.

to use the the verizon tp2 on the att network you have to flash a gsm radio. its disabled because of fcc rules. you will loose cdma functionality. atts 3g network uses umts(wcdma) 1900 and the verizon tps has umts 2100 which is used everywhere except north america. you can find guides on how to convert a cdma touch pro 2 to a gsm one.