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Please help a newbie understand all this

I am a software developer and am quite familiar with all the concepts of ROm flashing etc. but am a newbie to working with PPC devices in this regards.
I have a Cingular 8525 and would like to upgrade to WM6 but HTC and AT&T says it is not avail till Fall.
What is a "cooked" rom in the context of this forum?
What are the various pros/cons of installing one of the unofficial ROMs and how that affects both my device in general as well as AT&T support?
Any sort of overview of what this forum is all about would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Dave

hi
is too lomg to explain...
why dont you start here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299462

Best advice I can give you, is to start reading the forum for a solid week and more. I had no clue as to what or how to do anything, but after reading, and more reading you start to grasp everything. It's not hard at all. A "cooked" ROM is the term used when a "chef" (someone obviously that makes a ROM) 'cooks' it up in their "kitchen" (computer) the way they want it. Adding apps like spices. Follow? So when someone "cooks" a ROM they just basically build one to thier liking and offer it to anyone that wants to try it.
Read the wiki and the guide, and read some threads. You'll pick it up pretty fast.

I have a better idea.. Read this: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/

OK thanks folks.
I'm figuring in general that these cooks use the WM6 SDK to build the ROMs with what software they want already installed?
What are the best ROMs or "cooks" in general for the 8525?
Thanks!

Everyone has their own preference, so your best bet is just reading into all the ROMs that are offered, figuring out what you like and run with it. Or learn to cook and build your own.

davekolb said:
I'm figuring in general that these cooks use the WM6 SDK to build the ROMs with what software they want already installed?
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Actually, it's a combination of "leaked" ROMs for Hermes and best-of-breed pieces parts from any number of HTC devices, assembled with killer tools provided by cornerstone members of XDA. Does that sum it up for ya?
What are the best ROMs or "cooks" in general for the 8525?
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If turn-key WM6 for Cingular/AT&T is what you want, try one of my ROMs. If AT&T really wanted to provide WM6 they could do so now vs. in the fall. It's all about the marketing...

Not that I would as compared to using one of the existing roms built by someone with a lot more experience but what is all required to build your own WM6 ROM? What besides the WM6 SDK? Any "recipes" onhow to do so?
I have the full legal MSDN Subscription library and know that it has the WM6 SDK but can't say I have seen Mobile Office 2007 on the disks.
I should also think that there was Cingular/AT&T specific software and WM6 custimizations that needed to be added to a WM6 ROM for the 8525 that only AT&T would have or know how to configure. If so where are these bits or configuration data obtained from?
Do cooks somehow take the existing ROMs, upload them to the PC and then upgrade them? Seems like it would be difficult to enahce a binary image.
For instance, where would one get the Mobile Office 2007 bits from because these are not released yet are they? I just installed Office 2007 Ulitmate on my Vista PC but have seen a warning that WM6 does not support Office 2007 files yet.
Thanks for any and all explanations,
Dave

vp3G said:
If turn-key WM6 for Cingular/AT&T is what you want, try one of my ROMs. If AT&T really wanted to provide WM6 they could do so now vs. in the fall. It's all about the marketing...
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Yes and don't like that mentality either as I think it would be nice to take better care of existing users than potential users being a software developer and not a markieting type...
- Dave

davekolb said:
Not that I would as compared to using one of the existing roms built by someone with a lot more experience but what is all required to build your own WM6 ROM? What besides the WM6 SDK? Any "recipes" onhow to do so?
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Before the flamethrowers strike, you really need to do some (strike... lots of) reading here and many of your questions will be answered. I've yet to touch the WM6 SDK for any ROM I've produced, incidentally.
I should also think that there was Cingular/AT&T specific software and WM6 custimizations that needed to be added to a WM6 ROM for the 8525 that only AT&T would have or know how to configure.
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Not in my experience. I've found a few bugs in their stuff, in fact.
Do cooks somehow take the existing ROMs, upload them to the PC and then upgrade them? Seems like it would be difficult to enahce a binary image.
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There's a bit more to it than that. Again, I highly recommending doing some reading as this is a developers forum (containing a wealth of WM knowledge from the 'trenches')....
For instance, where would one get the Mobile Office 2007 bits from because these are not released yet are they? I just installed Office 2007 Ulitmate on my Vista PC but have seen a warning that WM6 does not support Office 2007 files yet.
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Heh, there have been ROMs with Office 2007 for a couple months now! BTW, do you believe everything M$ says?

Thanks vp3g. Did not mean to simplify anything as I stand amazed at all this even knowing a lot about PC software development - just not at this level for the PPC and was trying to get oriented. THe links help a lot. Will do the required reading...the wiki helps a lot too and have been reading it and it seems many of the mods/addons are in the extended rom. Thanks again,
- Dave

davekolb said:
...I think it would be nice to take better care of existing users than potential users...
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Hmmm... agreed, but try selling that mentality to the wireless companies or anyone who makes mobile devices! All they're genuinely interested in is the sheeple going crazy over what's next (can we all say 'iPhone'?)...
I stand amazed at all this even knowing a lot about PC software development
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Yeah, it's a bit of a different world...
it seems many of the mods/addons are in the extended rom
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Largely true for carrier-supplied ROMs. Around here the ExtROM is a big waste of hidden (albeit exposable and somewhat usable) space that would be better served as contiguous Storage (better yet Program) memory.

Gentlemen;
After looking at several other threads, this one can serve as an excellent example of how to [respectfully] treat a noob without the blatant flaming. A little dialogue, the noob begins to understand that READING the wiki and threads will answer most, if not all, his questions as well as educate him. Then it's over; the forum has another member who will one day become a valuable contributor instead of a lurker, afraid of posting due to the sometimes incessant flamethrowers.

Here we go again...Another Noobie Upgrade Question.

Well hello.
First off i want to appologise for my bad english and for not knowing so much about how things work around windows mobile upgrading. Ive tried to read as much as possible but some things i just dont get.
The issue is about a Samsung SGH-i320 wich i dont know is a PPC or a Smartphone or if it belongs between any other smartphone fammily. Because of the BlackJack or SGH-i600U being out, the price on the i320 has sunken to an affordable price. So i bought one and im happy!... Well as happy as i can get for 212,74 EUR...
What ive read there is a WM6 upgrade out for the i600 somewhere ?
But can i theoreticly cook or make a ROM from that for my i320? Cuz what i understand the only difference in hardware is the cam and wifi abilities...
Or is there like a ROM that is universal for some mobiles/smartphone familys?
Thx for ur patience and time...

Welcome to the forum!
No need to apologize, your English is fine. And learning new things about our phones is why we are all here.
Your phone is a 'Smartphone'. It is very simple to tell the difference between a smartphone and pocket pc: smartphone does not have a touch screen but pocket pc does.
Note that 'Smatrtphone' is both the name of the Microsoft platform that runs your phone and a general term for phones that can do more than just calls and simple java applets.
Now there is no and can not be a 'universal' ROM for windows mobile devices because even devices with identical hardware may have different memory mapping or bootloader.
It is theoretically possible to make ROM for one device from a device that is close to it but we do not have cooking tools for Samsung phones here.
This forum is mainly about HTC made devices.
That said I am fairly sure someone somewhere is working on i320 so keep searching.
Please do not try to upgrade directly with the i600 ROM. You will kill your phone.

Thank u very much for ur perfect answer
U even got me to understand u...
Ok so trying to upgrade my phone with the i600 ROM is a extremly bad idea eh? hehe
Well i just have to keep my eyes open and see if something happens...
Thank u so much Now i have to take care of my kids.

The answer was not fully perfect; we simply can assume no WM6 version will ever be available for this phone ?

How did we solve the SDHC mystery?

I'm no looking for anyone to reveal any state secrets, but Bepe's masterful cracking of the SDHC issue has come after many months of trial, effort & failure by many people.
Can any of the ROM masters who are privvy to this new magic explain to us interested end-users just how the problem was actually cracked?
Was it just the use of a new driver from somewhere or some registry setting that hadn't been tried before or something else?
Just interested how, after all this time, we've found a solution (that even HTC didn't know of or build into their very recently issued WM6 rom), that so suddenly fixed the issue and could be built into many of the bespoke ROMs already available.....
What was the magic ingredient?

I second that !

I'd love to know, as HTC told me that it was a hardware issue. Maybe their way of trying to persuade us to update to a newer phone?
Thanks for the hard work guys. Haven't updated yet as can't afford an HC card.

extremely interesting question that i would also like the answer to.

Hi,
Question not thee, for thy shall not receive the answer thy seek.
Just say God bless the great BEPE. He's opened new doors for our devices and now there is a hive of activity all over, because we have this great ROM and SDHC driver - something that had evaded this great Forum for a very long time, despite several efforts.
Long live XDA Developers, long live all the other heroes in this Forum. You know who you are.
Something that I don't quite understand though - the great Bepe has taken a back seat and nobody hears of him anymore since he released his unique ROM. I guess he's cooking something else. I just hope that Microsoft or similar hasn't snapped him up.
THANK YOU GREAT BEPE. DANKA, DANKA, DANKA FOR THE SDHC.
Kiwi992.

Of course we thank BEBE very much for all the nice job done. No questions about that, at all.
But, still, I am also curious about how the stuff worked out.

Maybe
alfiejts said:
I'm no looking for anyone to reveal any state secrets, but Bepe's masterful cracking of the SDHC issue has come after many months of trial, effort & failure by many people.
Can any of the ROM masters who are privvy to this new magic explain to us interested end-users just how the problem was actually cracked?
Was it just the use of a new driver from somewhere or some registry setting that hadn't been tried before or something else?
Just interested how, after all this time, we've found a solution (that even HTC didn't know of or build into their very recently issued WM6 rom), that so suddenly fixed the issue and could be built into many of the bespoke ROMs already available.....
What was the magic ingredient?
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http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...c1-f0f4-4fd6-9366-b61e0ab59565&DisplayLang=en

As simple as that? A new release from Microsoft of WM6....
If it was that I'm slightly deflated that it wasn't down to some ROM cooker mastery......
But then the update did only come out on 11th October, so the timing is right and also that would explain why HTC failed to get SDHC working in their official WM6 ROM, as that came out before this general upgrade was available.....

Ipaq hx4700 Forum? (HTC Roadster)

What about a forum for the ipaq hx4700? I know that this website is for HTC PDAs but, the hx4700 was also called the Roadster in some markets and made by HTC. Considering that there's a thread over in the upgrading section with 595,000 views and almost 2000 posts on the hx4700 (and that's just one thread) I think there would be a strong interest in a dedicated forum. Many of the posts are from newbies and not by developers but we do have Kozhura and Menneisyys and many other dev types who have posted quite alot about this device in the past, with Kozhura now on his 4th version of WM6. There seems to be a big following for this device even now with a kitchen having been adapted by vivi to suit it. It would be great to have our own corner somewhere on this wonderful site for our community.
Thank you for the consideration.
rufus

jwy2k2 said:
What about a forum for the ipaq hx4700? I know that this website is for HTC PDAs but, the hx4700 was also called the Roadster in some markets and made by HTC. Considering that there's a thread over in the upgrading section with 595,000 views and almost 2000 posts on the hx4700 (and that's just one thread) I think there would be a strong interest in a dedicated forum. Many of the posts are from newbies and not by developers but we do have Kozhura and Menneisyys and many other dev types who have posted quite alot about this device in the past, with Kozhura now on his 4th version of WM6. There seems to be a big following for this device even now with a kitchen having been adapted by vivi to suit it. It would be great to have our own corner somewhere on this wonderful site for our community.
Thank you for the consideration.
rufus
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Yes, sounds a very good idea
Dirk

Great idea!

Based on what I was able to see this had a 2003 rom and came out in 2004.
We have added a lot of forums for the new devices and I am not sure if there will be enough users to justify a section a few years late.

MDAIIIUser said:
Based on what I was able to see this had a 2003 rom and came out in 2004.
We have added a lot of forums for the new devices and I am not sure if there will be enough users to justify a section a few years late.
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That is true, however HP did do a (poor) WM5 upgrade and there are at least two unofficial WM6 ROMs. The hx4700 was ahead of its time and still powerful compared to many on the market today; probably because it doesn't have an inbuilt phone.
There is this thread which is nearly up to 2,000 posts; many of the smart phone forums on XDA developers have nowhere near as many posts in total.
If there was a forum just for the hx4700, then maybe that would entice other hx4700 owners to join up to talk things other than just the ROMs.
I bet there are a few super users that would be happy to moderate a dedicated kx4700 forum too?

You guys don't give up do you ?
OK I admit you do have a valid point. I will put it forward to the sysadmin for a section under
Other HTC manufactured phones

Thank you

Thanks again for the consideration. It is an old device but I think there's quite a bit of interest in it.

MDAIIIUser said:
You guys don't give up do you ?
OK I admit you do have a valid point. I will put it forward to the sysadmin for a section under
Other HTC manufactured phones
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Any news so far ? Or do we need to 'vote' somewhere ?

Bumpin'
Bump, bump, bump, ....

dirlan2001 said:
Bump, bump, bump, ....
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Grind, grind, grind....

i totaly support the idea, and quiet surprised to learn that hx4700 was manufactured by HTC

Yes, you should really make new forum for magnificent hp iPAQ hx4700 (HTC Roadster).
Support the idea.

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Bump, bump, bump, ....
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bumpedy bump.....
there are loads of russian language forums but none in english AFAIK.
The hx4700 rocks - nothing comes close for screen size / use IMO.
M.S

Touchscreen calibration file for hx4700 needed
Hello hx4700 users,
i need your help. I have screwed up ma calibration data and get stuck in an alignment loop.
Can anyone of you be so kind and send me their touchscreen calibration file als described in this thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2416566
Your help is greatly appreciated.
THANKS

thank u for the reviwe

maybe late but still great...i have a bit of roblem with screen,but the rest is ok...and it really was ahead of it's time

I'm also interested in this. I think it would fuel discussing on the hx4700

Hi, on my hx4700 (alkor wm6.1) when I paired my bluetooth audiphones, it`s fine,just if it is like new, no progrmas, but whe I charge some progrmas, I can`t connect the devices, there are no way to use it.
Just when the ipaq is just hard reseted. Anybody know what happen?

hacking wm 6 pro (or 6.1) on to ipaq 210/211 series

a real life friend of mine and i are serious about getting one of these units into the right hands to unlock/hack/make-a-kitchen. i dont know who is capable/trustworthy and/or where to start. so help me out here, who should i talk to?
I had a good experience with this back in the day with the familiar linux project on a 3970 ipaq (shipped one to someone in the UK who hacked it pretty quick) so i wanna try the same thing with the 211.
thanks!

I see no reason to try to hack WM6 pro when the classic version is the same, minus the phone support. As for WM6.1, most of the changes are meant for pocket pc phones, but it's worth a try.

#1 future OS upgrades
#2 wm6.1 pro > wm6
#3 cooking your own rom, taking out excess crap always speeds it up.
#4 CF aircard
#5 (the most important) geekyness
im suprised anyone on these boards would even question "why to hack"... the answer is, because its there!

blaczero said:
#1 future OS upgrades
#2 wm6.1 pro > wm6
#3 cooking your own rom, taking out excess crap always speeds it up.
#4 CF aircard
#5 (the most important) geekyness
im suprised anyone on these boards would even question "why to hack"... the answer is, because its there!
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Very Funny blaczero, but your number #5 is always #1. Restated as...
1. Because it's there!

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ill send some PM's about this.

Any news?

Still nothing?

my iPAQ 212 are still virgin and waiting to be "touched"

sliders7 said:
my iPAQ 212 are still virgin and waiting to be "touched"
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still nothing, eh?

come on come on people....

Makes me wish I knew a little so I can cook something on my own. This PDA is a powerhouse monster than is bogged down by crappy software design.

so, anyone interested?

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Hey dudes, some news-
I regularly monitor over a dozen threads and boards concerning this issue, and here's the CURRENT STATUS of this project-
No developments have been made.
We can put linux on the SD card, and boot from that... but other than that, HP has made it nearly impossible for us to do ANYTHING to the original ROM that's in there. Granted, it's a POS, especially considering all the god aweful processes that HP has running in the background. I was this changed as much as anyone. No I saw earlier on that someone is willing to have their device worked on/submitted for experimentation. If this is true, then that's a big plus... I'll give a link in a sec showing where you can go to discuss that. There are a number of people working on this issue, but sadly, none of them are on here really... XDA is not the place to go for PDA support. Granted, almost anyone can get their questions answered, but no one on here is working on this problem to my knowledge.
http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=265547&page=5
This thread is based on a false alarm that someone had for making a 6.1 ROM, but we're continuing the search here, and to my knowledge is one of the only regularly active threads concerning this. We have made some developments, but nothing concrete yet... HP's a ***** with this PDA.
If anyone has any other links to share, do so... I need all the information I can get on this, as I'm sure alot of you do. If anyone even reads this, then good- I'll know my little speech here wasn't all wasted.
Noxem Computers, ottoman96

If you re-navigate over to Brighthand, there has since been a few big steps in the right direction for new ROMs. The 210/2xx forum has a few threads with some good progress. Anyone interested or thinking they can lend some expertise should head over there. Peace.
Dave