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[Q] Nandroid backup?

how long does it usually take when first performing a backup?

idk, between 3 and 5 minutes

There is way to many options to answer this. It can take 2-3 minutes and some have reported 20+ minutes. It depends on what you select to backup, what recovery you are using, card speed, even how much stuff you have on your phone.

What if it takes over an hour???

hTc_Newbie_77 said:
What if it takes over an hour???
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Make a sandwich?
What ROM and what recovery?
Do you have a lot of apps?
Do they have a lot of data?
Do you have a class 2 card?
Does it have enough room?

rstuckmaier said:
Make a sandwich? Had one earlier.
Im new to this so be kind to me...
What ROM and what recovery? mikfroyo v4.4 - Nandroid
Do you have a lot of apps? Not many since i did a fresh flash
Do they have a lot of data? no
Do you have a class 2 card? not sure
Does it have enough room? If it doesnt then what?
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Now that i think about it i left my back ups on my card when i did my flash to mikfroyo and didnt not delete them when i moved it to my pc. Is there away to stop it? and will it mess up my phone? Thanks in advance!

You can pull the battery. That's about the only option you have mid-backup. Not sure how dangerous that is though. I'd let it run its course if it were me.
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I pulled the battery.. Was scared but it was taking along time. So far so good.. Thanks!!
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You can pull the battery if its taking an obnoxiously long time. Normally 3-5 minutes...but it could be a bit longer depending on like others said, card speed, the amount of data, and how much data. So try to be patient.

teh roxxorz said:
You can pull the battery if its taking an obnoxiously long time. Normally 3-5 minutes...but it could be a bit longer depending on like others said, card speed, the amount of data, and how much data. So try to be patient.
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Trust me i was, but when it was close to 2 hrs to back up i took the chance and nothing went wrong..
Testing out different ROMs to see what suites me. I really like mikfroyo v4.4, next going to try MIUI EVO 1.1.28 and going to read around on how to update my kernal aswell.
Thanks for the help everyone!

Shoot... I just had the same thing happen and searched 20 different ways for a thread like this and never saw it...
I left mine workin for about 1.5 hours and then decided to pull the battery, everything seems ok for now... So I just cleaned off my SD card and am tryin another B/U..

That's what I did last night was moved all my backup's on to my pc. Will do another backup tonight.. Phone still working...
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[Q] It takes a long time to flash a rom

Anyone else feel that it takes a long time to flash roms and anything through recovery in general? I just came from the epic and although I like how much more support there is I feel that it takes a long time to flash. It's not a deal breaker but I'd like to see what other peoples thoughts are.

bobthemarley said:
Anyone else feel that it takes a long time to flash roms and anything through recovery in general? I just came from the epic and although I like how much more support there is I feel that it takes a long time to flash. It's not a deal breaker but I'd like to see what other peoples thoughts are.
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A long time?
Seems to take the same amount of time (if not shorter) than it does on my brother and mom's Epic.

I do not think it really takes that long. My only reference is the retired Hero. The Evo might take a bit longer (not sure) but the ROM is larger.

My phone averages 3-5 minutes from flash to first boot. I'm not complaining one bit.

bobthemarley said:
Anyone else feel that it takes a long time to flash roms and anything through recovery in general? I just came from the epic and although I like how much more support there is I feel that it takes a long time to flash. It's not a deal breaker but I'd like to see what other peoples thoughts are.
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A few minutes here and there isn't a great deal of time.. Now if you plan on flashing Synergy w/ Godmode, well that's a whole other story. For the most part 3-5 minutes reboot included.

I guess it's me then. Also nice to see some Celtics fans here
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Does your phone have a delay when turning the display on?

I noticed that there would sometimes (50% chance) that there will be a noticeable 1 second delay when pushing the power button and when the display actually turns on. It's annoying because sometimes i'll want to check the time, and i'll push the button as i'm taking it out of my pocket only to be met with a black display still.
i tried turning off the pattern lock thinkng that was it but still having the same problem.
i'm completely stock.

No delay here...when I press the power button, my display comes on instantly.

tracerit said:
I noticed that there would sometimes (50% chance) that there will be a noticeable 1 second delay when pushing the power button and when the display actually turns on. It's annoying because sometimes i'll want to check the time, and i'll push the button as i'm taking it out of my pocket only to be met with a black display still.
i tried turning off the pattern lock thinkng that was it but still having the same problem.
i'm completely stock.
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This had already been discussed id you remove your sdcard the delay will go away.
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***** here about the 2 second loss of time in your life.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1265716

Did you really just say 1 sec???? Lol really. If your Checking the time I doubt 1 sec is that annoying!
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alnova1 said:
***** here about the 2 second loss of time in your life..
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Still thread ****ting on every topic about the delay?
Its obvious why the delay doesn't bother you; you already have too much time on your hands.
Otherwise, it's an obvious flaw in the phone. Why don't you let other people worry about their own lives and how many seconds are wasted.

craigbailey1986 said:
Did you really just say 1 sec???? Lol really. If your Checking the time I doubt 1 sec is that annoying!
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1 second is annoying when YOU'RE used to the display coming on instantly.
thanks for the link, i'll check it out.

yes its terrible anyone have a fix to this yet

If it's because of the SD card, trying increasing the SD Card Read Ahead Buffer. It can be built into the kernel or changed with a few market apps, or even a script. It'll also make photos/videos/anything from the SD card load faster.

fadetobolivia said:
Still thread ****ting on every topic about the delay?
Its obvious why the delay doesn't bother you; you already have too much time on your hands.
Otherwise, it's an obvious flaw in the phone. Why don't you let other people worry about their own lives and how many seconds are wasted.
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Aren't we touchy! As long as people keep making threads about it , yes I will still state my opinion on the matter just like you are...have a good day sir.

alnova1 said:
***** here about the 2 second loss of time in your life.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1265716
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That's what I was thinking, who cares. Now that I check mine has the same thing, I never noticed and I really don't give a **** to try and "fix" this.. lol

Sean-El said:
That's what I was thinking, who cares. Now that I check mine has the same thing, I never noticed and I really don't give a **** to try and "fix" this.. lol
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Amen brother...

Isn't this forum built for people who want to get the most of their devices? If everyone just decided things were 'good enough' you wouldn't have devs here writing custom kernels and ROMs. If the issue doesn't bother you then don't bother posting in the thread. And if you absolutely must, don't be a douche about it.
OT: I noticed it too. This is my first smartphone, but it stood out. I assumed it was normal. It's not huge, but I definitely wouldn't mind a fix that didn't require abandoning my SD card.

Sycobob said:
Isn't this forum built for people who want to get the most of their devices? If everyone just decided things were 'good enough' you wouldn't have devs here writing custom kernels and ROMs. If the issue doesn't bother you then don't bother posting in the thread. And if you absolutely must, don't be a douche about it.
OT: I noticed it too. This is my first smartphone, but it stood out. I assumed it was normal. It's not huge, but I definitely wouldn't mind a fix that didn't require abandoning my SD card.
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Agreed, especially since it's a 32GB card and it's transferable between phones...

Screen lags reminds me of pre-pay gas purchases.
The last 2cents always take forever to complete.

Sycobob said:
Isn't this forum built for people who want to get the most of their devices? If everyone just decided things were 'good enough' you wouldn't have devs here writing custom kernels and ROMs. If the issue doesn't bother you then don't bother posting in the thread. And if you absolutely must, don't be a douche about it.
OT: I noticed it too. This is my first smartphone, but it stood out. I assumed it was normal. It's not huge, but I definitely wouldn't mind a fix that didn't require abandoning my SD card.
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This is your first smartphone and it stood out to you? I have had 15 smartphones and would have never noticed it until someone mentioned it. Like I said, I don't see this as an issue so I will speak my peace as you can to..we agree to disagree and just because we don't see it your way doesn't make us a douche....sorry for the loss of time in your life I'm...oh ****!...I missed the Andy Rooney farewell on 60 minutes because I couldn't get the time on my phone because it came up 2 seconds too late!

alnova1 said:
This is your first smartphone and it stood out to you? I have had 15 smartphones and would have never noticed it until someone mentioned it. Like I said, I don't see this as an issue so I will speak my peace as you can to..we agree to disagree and just because we don't see it your way doesn't make us a douche....sorry for the loss of time in your life I'm...oh ****!...I missed the Andy Rooney farewell on 60 minutes because I couldn't get the time on my phone because it came up 2 seconds too late!
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It's not a HUGE issue, but it is something that should be fixed.
In fact, just to move things forward, I tried increasing the SD Read Ahead Buffer with an app "SD Card Booster" or some name like that, which doesn't decrease the speed of the screen coming on, but does drastically cause photos and other things to load faster when you, say, open the Gallery. That was expected though. We used to increase it on the OG Evo.

Ive owned a few smartphones noticed ET lag after 3rd wake up.
First thing I thought of was Sprint Blackberry curve 8330-M.
It did the same thing drove me crazy lol

I tell you what...take your phone back to Sprint and tell them you have a 2 second lag and see what they say...maybe you can get a new phone...its obviously a defect...

alnova1 said:
I tell you what...take your phone back to Sprint and tell them you have a 2 second lag and see what they say...maybe you can get a new phone...its obviously a defect...
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Its not hardware defect....its software related thus Sprint will push you out the door no new phone in hand with chuckles from rep.
Will update to fix issue come?
Never! so those that think samsung gives a care you better think twice.
Oh I forgot,
My HP Ipaq 6515 had wake up lag with SD card as well

got back to stock ROM

I rooted my phone about half a year ago, and now, finally I got back to the stock ROM. You may ask why, so here is why I initially rooted it, and then why I got back to the stock ROM.
My main reason for rooting was the extremly small sized internal storage. Even with the "stock" app2sd it was hell like fast full. Of course customizen played also a role, and I liked the ability to change like everything the way I like, but moving nearly the whole apps was the main reason.
So I finally decided to root my phone. The process was (in opposite of what I thought) really easy, especially with the help of this awesome guide and I chose "MIUI" as the first OS to try out. I really liked it, but I had some occasional crashes which I wasn't able to solve. But that wasn't the reason I got back to the stock ROM. After about 2-3 months with "MIUI" my complete phone got stock in a bootloop. Flashing the zip again wasn't succesfull, so I finally tried an older backup. This worked, but sadly all my SMS data and else got lost.
After some searching I tried out cyanogenMod. I liked it quite well, but I also got the crashes and freezes I got with MIUI, but I was able to live with it. But then, about a week ago, my phone got completly stuck in a bootloop, and instead of throwing it straight ahead into a wall, I flashed back to the stock ROM.
At first I was quite surprised how fluidly it runs, in comparision to cyanogenMod. Then I noticed, that you can't really switch between 3G and 2G data, and was afraid of getting out of energy much sooner. But the opposite happened, the battery lasts much longer than with the other two ROMs, and I hadn't had any crashes or complete freezes till yet. Also, I haven't got the great warning "Battery level 0% or lower (how is this even f*ing possible?), please connect to power source" I got on cyanogenMod, with the addition of my phone shutting down immediately afterwards.
So, long story, short: I really like the ability to root my phone and everything, and I do not regret having done it. It was a great experience, I now I know the "true" capability of android. But after all this trying out, I have to say, that I think I will now stick with the stock ROM, since it's more stable. Probably it was a hardware issue with my device, probably some kind of software bug. Maybe something of both.
just my quick thoughts, and sorry for my bad english, but it's not my native language

To each his own.
I've been using Cyanogenmod more often than any other rom and never experienced bootloops that is caused by the rom itself. It's always something I did with the rom. LOL

Well, that's also a possibility, but since I wasn't able to find the cause of it, I gave up. It was not only the bootloop, but also the quick battery draining and the complete freezes.

I understand where you are coming from... You just want it to work properly.
As for the battery, the default cm7 kernel isn't really that good compared with ManU kernel. That's the first thing I change when I flash.

Now I'm taking my stopwatch to count how long will it take for loons to start Runnymede or ICS recommendations.
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Long story short??
Maybe you should publish the unedited version...could be a few volumes in that.
Also, will never go back to stock. I unrooted last year, so I could set up for S-Off, and couldn't wait to get back to a custom ROM. Slow, boring, low storage and boring.
You should use Runnymede, it's the best ROM ever!

Annddd there you have it Erklat.

haha. Funny. And necessarily runnymede

You have luck with the Battery, my phone say 15% or Lower and shutdown, if yours work down to 0%

stankyou said:
Annddd there you have it Erklat.
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I was being facetious

MetinKale38 said:
You have luck with the Battery, my phone say 15% or Lower and shutdown, if yours work down to 0%
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Well, that was the problem with it...the battery showed 20 percent when it happened...
btw, the stock rom didn't solve that problem either, but at least the crashes are gone...it's still pretty weird, the battery level showed like 20% or more when it suddenly shut down...

Battery life has always been dreadful on the Desire no matter what ROM you use.
Now on the bootloop, Sandvold ICS Beta 0.4.4 ROM seems to be getting on well.
No bootloops whatsoever!
(Some lags and bugs may occure, but nothing you can't handle with a little bit of patience! )

What was I saying -.-'
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erklat said:
What was I saying -.-'
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Page 2... not a bad prediction man. LOL

erklat said:
What was I saying -.-'
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stankyou said:
Page 2... not a bad prediction man. LOL
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erklat, what will be the numbers in tomorrow nights Lottery draw??
O, I'm in Australia, btw.
kthxbai

777ace said:
erklat, what will be the numbers in tomorrow nights Lottery draw??
O, I'm in Australia, btw.
kthxbai
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16 24 27 30 36 44
supps 5 13
You are welcome!!

I am so gonna try those!!

Nascor said:
My main reason for rooting was the extremly small sized internal storage. Even with the "stock" app2sd it was hell like fast full.
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So, how did you resolve the issue with the storage now?
I'm using MIUI too and it runs rock solid for me since months. Next time I will switch, I will switch to a new phone...

hudl said:
So, how did you resolve the issue with the storage now?
I'm using MIUI too and it runs rock solid for me since months. Next time I will switch, I will switch to a new phone...
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well, since my new Transformer Prime is now my primary mobile gaming device, I just put the most necessary apps on my phone (like facebook, twitter, maps and stuff like that)

Thanks Nascor, Its very important the information.

write cycles

hello folks,
does anybody hav an idea of how many times a ROM or a custom ROM can be flashed on a device(HTC wildfire s)
thanks in advance

Good topic.. i was searching for the answer of this queation. Hope i will get it now.
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I have no idea. I've reflashed my phone so many times I thought my phone would stop working, but apparently it can take it There was a time I flashed a new ROM every two days or so, but these last two week I haven't really flashed anything new. But I must have flashed something new around 30 times or so, so far.

stil no answer..?

kantry123 said:
hello folks,
does anybody hav an idea of how many times a ROM or a custom ROM can be flashed on a device(HTC wildfire s)
thanks in advance
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abhi8569 said:
Good topic.. i was searching for the answer of this queation. Hope i will get it now.
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johnnyspritz said:
I have no idea. I've reflashed my phone so many times I thought my phone would stop working, but apparently it can take it There was a time I flashed a new ROM every two days or so, but these last two week I haven't really flashed anything new. But I must have flashed something new around 30 times or so, so far.
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kantry123 said:
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Its like this: average NAND flash chip will take over 1000 cycles,so no worries there.
When i say over 1000 i mean like 10000
Also important to know that life of a flash memory is beyond your capability to destroy it with flashing roms every day-so...no worries there too.
Now i would have to type whole night,or to copy/paste a bunch of tech stuff here to explain...YOU JUST HAVE TO TRUST ME
Another thing-VERY IMPORTANT-Constant overclocking WILL shorten the life of your CPU if not fry it like an egg....so avoid that if you dont really need it.
For OC you need to understand how much is safe,and then you can play all you want.
Hope i helped....answer in the end is-FLASH AS MUCH AS YOU WANT WITHOUT FEAR...
CHEERS!!!

Fikus011 said:
Its like this: average NAND flash chip will take over 1000 cycles,so no worries there.
When i say over 1000 i mean like 10000
Also important to know that life of a flash memory is beyond your capability to destroy it with flashing roms every day-so...no worries there too.
Now i would have to type whole night,or to copy/paste a bunch of tech stuff here to explain...YOU JUST HAVE TO TRUST ME
Another thing-VERY IMPORTANT-Constant overclocking WILL shorten the life of your CPU if not fry it like an egg....so avoid that if you dont really need it.
For OC you need to understand how much is safe,and then you can play all you want.
Hope i helped....answer in the end is-FLASH AS MUCH AS YOU WANT WITHOUT FEAR...
CHEERS!!!
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thank you so much for your answer... i have no fear now for flashing roms...

am i the only one who flashed his phone over 300 times in 3 months ? God i probably shoulda asked same question long time ago. Well no harm no foul

baluuu said:
am i the only one who flashed his phone over 300 times in 3 months ? God i probably shoulda asked same question long time ago. Well no harm no foul
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Same here, probably more I switch between 3 roms, each have different strenghs eg. Cm7 for flash player, cm9 beauty, stock for sat nav & battery. I too did wonder how many flashes I would be able to safely accomplish. Sometimes I flash twice a day.

baluuu said:
am i the only one who flashed his phone over 300 times in 3 months ? God i probably shoulda asked same question long time ago. Well no harm no foul
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me too, but more out of necessity than curiosity....i'm still trying to find a reliable, stable rom that gives me plenty of storage room for apps.
it seems to me that with this phone you basically have to choose whether you want a "smart" phone that will totally die out on you every few days, or a "basic" phone which will not allow you to have really any personal apps, but which will then last for a good couple of weeks before giving you the dreaded "low storage" messages and start lagging like hell.
but yeah, i've had to flash mine literally hundreds of times in the last 6 months, and it's still going (well....just about, as i said, this phone has never been "reliable" as such)

Gloris said:
me too, but more out of necessity than curiosity....i'm still trying to find a reliable, stable rom that gives me plenty of storage room for apps.
it seems to me that with this phone you basically have to choose whether you want a "smart" phone that will totally die out on you every few days, or a "basic" phone which will not allow you to have really any personal apps, but which will then last for a good couple of weeks before giving you the dreaded "low storage" messages and start lagging like hell.
but yeah, i've had to flash mine literally hundreds of times in the last 6 months, and it's still going (well....just about, as i said, this phone has never been "reliable" as such)
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thank u so much..!

Well this isn't technically true. You can do no serious damage to your phone via flashing but every flash you do has the possibility of corrupting your phones internal storage due to it formatting the /system partition. This could create bad sectors on your phones internal mtd - this slowly eats away your internal memory by about 8bytes each time. That's about 8 ANSII characters (letters/numbers/symbols) so there isn't anything to worry about really.
From all the constant file transfers, installations and wipes I do each day I have about 6 bad sectors.
This is ABSOLUTELY nothing to worry about by the way, I just thought it would be interesting.
You would need around 500000 corrupted MTD sectors to lose the equivalent to ONE MP3 SONG on your internal memory.
Please note that its late at night here so my math may not be totally correct, but it'll be pretty close.
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benjamingwynn said:
Well this isn't technically true. You can do no serious damage to your phone via flashing but every flash you do has the possibility of corrupting your phones internal storage due to it formatting the /system partition. This could create bad sectors on your phones internal mtd - this slowly eats away your internal memory by about 8bytes each time. That's about 8 ANSII characters (letters/numbers/symbols) so there isn't anything to worry about really.
From all the constant file transfers, installations and wipes I do each day I have about 6 bad sectors.
This is ABSOLUTELY nothing to worry about by the way, I just thought it would be interesting.
You would need around 500000 corrupted MTD sectors to lose the equivalent to ONE MP3 SONG on your internal memory.
Please note that its late at night here so my math may not be totally correct, but it'll be pretty close.
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thank u so much...but is there a way to wipe those bad sectors..??
thanks in advance...!