Alot of X2 features have been ported to the X1. Is it possible to implement WVGA video recording from the X2 to the X1? They have the same processor and other similarities. Would this issue be a hardware only type thing, like would we need a 8mpx camera or can we port the X2 camera software from a rom dump to R3A Camera app for the X1. Also @ X2 users how is the WVGA playback on the X2.
They have the same hardware and wvga is 800x480,way under the camera resolution on x1 so theoretically it should be possible to port. I think the software issue is the real problem.
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They have the same hardware and wvga is 800x480,way under the camera resolution on x1 so theoretically it should be possible to port. I think the software issue is the real problem.
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Ya I was thinking the same thing, besides some cosmetic changes and the 8mpx camera their pretty much the same phone. Hopefully this thread will catch the interest of some people that might now to how accomplish this task. So far most of the X2 features have been ported to the X1 maybe this to(fingers crossed).
Well,i've seen a x2 camera port around here so as you said, fingers crossed
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Well,i've seen a x2 camera port around here so as you said, fingers crossed
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I actually asked one of my friends that is very familiar with the X2 dump files and he said "x2 has different render and camera so it is a no go".
Well the x1 camera is made by htc and the x2 is made by sony i think,its the one found on w995 and c905. But, can you please ask your friend if part of the render is compatible with the x1 camera render? We only neew a small part of it to modify the resolution not anything else.
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Well the x1 camera is made by htc and the x2 is made by sony i think,its the one found on w995 and c905. But, can you please ask your friend if part of the render is compatible with the x1 camera render? We only neew a small part of it to modify the resolution not anything else.
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Ya I will ask him.
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Well the x1 camera is made by htc and the x2 is made by sony i think,its the one found on w995 and c905. But, can you please ask your friend if part of the render is compatible with the x1 camera render? We only neew a small part of it to modify the resolution not anything else.
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This is what he said: is impossible to use because
x1 one uses htc Dshow to reneder images (linked to video driver)
x2 one uses q*libraries linked again to video driver and kernel
unless you have full x2 nk.exe and drivers as source i dont think that is possible
i have tried and camera could not render image on screen than crashes even if i have added all deps and registry
also it can be drm dependent (drm is not completly ported / this is why slideview is not fully working)
you are free to try
Well thanks for the info.seems like we wont have x2 video recording resolutin on x1
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video playback???
i was reading the htc rhodium review on mobile review
http://mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-touch-pro2.shtml
and i saw the video benchmark ,i got shocked (almost same hardware ) so different benchmark
someone can explains me why?
better drivers in that rom?
h/w acceleration?
Is there a chance that h/w acceleration is coming into play here?
We know that X1 dont get h/w acceleraion with core player, maybe the standard APIs are h/w accelerated on Rhodium?
Ok well basically the Touch pro had a lower Resolution screen (480 x 640 pixels) which equals 307200 total pixels
On the otherside the X1 and touch Pro 2 have higher resolution screens (480 x 800 pixels) which equals 384000 total pixels
This means that the x1 and touch pro 2 have to process 76800 more pixels in each frame than the touch pro.
that my explanation anyway..
i dont care about touch pro vs xperia
i care about touch pro 2 (rhodium) vs xperia
xperia is 30 to 40% slower??
why?
The hardware is the same...so....better driver!
if your running Windows Mobile 6.1 then yeah the Xperia is gonna be wayyyyy slower. Install WinMo 6.5 and then see the difference. heaps faster (and yeah the beta is faster than the final version of WinMo 6.1)
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if your running Windows Mobile 6.1 then yeah the Xperia is gonna be wayyyyy slower. Install WinMo 6.5 and then see the difference. heaps faster (and yeah the beta is faster than the final version of WinMo 6.1)
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It's like vista vs Windows 7
all round drivers etc methinks. Although when using a rhodium based rom, the video aint much better. Ask a good cook (itje, agent 47, gttrab etc)
which are the best drivers for video playback for xperia?
Jabe said:
which are the best drivers for video playback for xperia?
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try ati 3d (use search)
Can someone confirm, that in WinMo 6.5 the playback speed with Coreplayer is faster? If so, which ROM were you using for testing?
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I did tried that. No visible difference in speed both in coreplayer and in wmplayer.
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I did tried that. No visible difference in speed both in coreplayer and in wmplayer.
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Same results here.... imho i think that video performance is slower on WM 6.5..
same here. no difference and even found quite a few posts stating there would be no difference.
about playback in wm6.5. I have to say that playback in coreplayer and media panel both was way better in wm6.1 custom ROMs than in wm6.5 ROMs. to be honest video is unwatchable in all wm6.5 ROMs I have tried and I do not know what to do.
The Touch Pro2 is 6 months newer..what do you expect?
Wow, with my newly flashed ROM I just noticed that my videos plays with no lagg at all. It's so freakin nice!
If you want I can look up what ROM I use, but I think it's called PC4tech or something like that! Everything else is also very good with this ROM!
do you use bt stereo headset?
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Wow, with my newly flashed ROM I just noticed that my videos plays with no lagg at all. It's so freakin nice!
If you want I can look up what ROM I use, but I think it's called PC4tech or something like that! Amazing ROM except for the video playback too!
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huh? don't get it...
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huh? don't get it...
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Haha, oopps. Of course I misstyped
Hi brothers, now I wrtie to ask if somebody knows where is the register entry for the xperia camera, I think i found it but it won't show all the entries that the HTC cameras show. The HTC cameras registry entries has all detailed on different folders like JPEG settings, medium quality video, high qualitity video, and stuff like that.
Well, I think that I have the solution for the bad quality video of the xperia when you shake o move your phone, I think you know that I mean. You see always pixelation, and that have various reasons. One is that the video format is very bad quality for, it's only 3GP and we don't have a choice like other HTC Cameras when you have MP4, CIF and other formats. Other reason is the video's bitrate and THIS is our solution.
If we can turn up the bitrate of course we'll have better quality in the videos and we can see especialy an improment in scenarios like sports when we have to move the phone very much. Of course, that bitrate increment become the video more heavy but that's something we have to deal with because the quality worth it.
Other solution is find a way to change the video format to H264 or MP4 and combine the bitrate idea with this video format too.
I have been making some experiments but no luck yet. Any ideas?
Nobody?
I'm sure that somebody can post one good idea. Come on people, you guys make the best HTC's roms and more, I don't think you have no idea about solving this. Somebody?
I think its Sony+HTC problem, not something that belongs to here ...
just like u can't have smile shutter, same ways, u can't change recording format ... may be some time in future, Sony might add support for h264 recording in firmwares, just like they added auto flash and geotag in leaked R3AA/R4AA rom.
Thanks for the reply
Thnaks for the answer! You are totally right in every point BUT I think that waiting is not an option for me because I bought the Xperia almost replacing my HTC TyTN + Sony Camera. I like to record almost all the concerts I go and the Xperia is the right option if we can make some camera improvements. I think if someone give me the xperia camera source code I can do everything by myself, or at least that is that I have in mind
Even, I think we can make a few changes for the camera to allow to zoom when recording video (if somebody haven't done it yet..).
In other hand, where can I find the R4AA rom? I didn't know that was already out. Again, thanks for the reply!
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I think its Sony+HTC problem, not something that belongs to here ...
just like u can't have smile shutter, same ways, u can't change recording format ... may be some time in future, Sony might add support for h264 recording in firmwares, just like they added auto flash and geotag in leaked R3AA/R4AA rom.
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there is no r4aa. he was refering to unknown sourced leaked camera app with geotagging and auto flash, which supposed to be present in r3aa, but never was actually.
zoom facility in the video recording of the xperia is a very welcome step...hope somebody smart enough in the xda forum look forward to it...
I think it could be done, because the camera app uses a system file to access the camera, then it uses a video or picture encoder to produce a picture or a video. If somebody change the encoder and set the new parameters or settings into the camera app i think that it will work.
Exactly
And I'm your men, I wanna do that, but I have to view the source code or something. Where can I find it? Anyone on this forum can give me a hand to start working? Thanks!
I think that the better way is create a new camera app and add lots of features and then sell the app to a company like spb.
For more research:
CameraCapture_Mode - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb416521.aspx
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I think that the better way is create a new camera app and add lots of features and then sell the app to a company like spb.
For more research:
CameraCapture_Mode - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb416521.aspx
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hahah nice one, Good luck with it.
if the wanted to make it a camera phone then the wouldn't put wortless camera in it. i wonder why sony didn't put better camera in it like SE k versions my old k750 has better camera .
I know that we can get better quality video recording out of the TP2, with the first WinMo phone shooting WVGA @ 30fps with the exact same hardware (minus cam module), I'm excited to see if someone can work their magic to incorporate better recording from the TP2.
Anyone else?
Cyph
I too am curious about this. I have actually always been curious as to whether the video capabilities are more software dependent or hardware... Though if the phone is capable of displaying the video on the viewfinder at WVGA at 30fps it should theoretically be possible to record at that quality. Anyways, we'll see what crops up later
Not at all
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I too am curious about this. I have actually always been curious as to whether the video capabilities are more software dependent or hardware... Though if the phone is capable of displaying the video on the viewfinder at WVGA at 30fps it should theoretically be possible to record at that quality. Anyways, we'll see what crops up later
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Unfortunately the above statement is not at all true. Recording depends heavily on the camera hardware in terms of possible frame rate at a given resolution. Furthermore real-time compression and encoding is a significantly different proposition to the CPU than decoding and playback. This is not to say the TP2 hardware may not be capable of doing better than it does, just that playback capabilities are no indication.
Dennis
Like I said, I don't know how much the camera module affects it. And what I meant by theoretically is that if it can display that on the viewfinder at that res then theoretically it could be recorded in raw format (as long as the transfer to the memory could handle the speed), but it would not be practical by any means. But if the x2 is capable of it and IF the ONLY difference is the camera module, and IF the camera module is just the sensor and no graphics processing then it could possibly happen. And I'd love to see it. But neither am I going to hold my breath.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OEIZvXqzxs
You see minutes 4:29 ..... But WVGA recording resolution is 720x480? or 800x480?
Thanks
The Xperia X2 has the same CPU as the Rhodium and in theory the video recording abilities can therefore be ported. The drivers for video recording must be extracted and put into the Rhodium ROM.
Even if the Rhodium camera or drivers doesn´t handle WVGA widescreen recording it´s possible with some development work to use better encoding drivers - i.e record VGA but let a good MP4 encoder with good quality do the encoding job (i.e replace the original HTC video encoder with a better one).
In this case the original HTC camera application is retained but with replaced encoders. The user only sees a quality difference - the handling of the camera app is the same otherwise.
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The Xperia X2 has the same CPU as the Rhodium and in theory the video recording abilities can therefore be ported. The drivers for video recording must be extracted and put into the Rhodium ROM.
Even if the Rhodium camera or drivers doesn´t handle WVGA widescreen recording it´s possible with some development work to use better encoding drivers - i.e record VGA but let a good MP4 encoder with good quality do the encoding job (i.e replace the original HTC video encoder with a better one).
In this case the original HTC camera application is retained but with replaced encoders. The user only sees a quality difference - the handling of the camera app is the same otherwise.
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That's definitely be a good thing. Maybe it could even up the fps a little bit.
The Xperia X2 has the same CPU as the Rhodium and in theory the video recording abilities can therefore be ported. The drivers for video recording must be extracted and put into the Rhodium ROM.
Even if the Rhodium camera or drivers doesn´t handle WVGA widescreen recording it´s possible with some development work to use better encoding drivers - i.e record VGA but let a good MP4 encoder with good quality do the encoding job (i.e replace the original HTC video encoder with a better one).
In this case the original HTC camera application is retained but with replaced encoders. The user only sees a quality difference - the handling of the camera app is the same otherwise.
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Well if we can get someone on that I'd be willing to pay (big - ROM COOKERS LISTENING?? :-D ) for the capability to enhance the video recording capabilities. I just need an additional 10 fps and maybe another 200 kb/s bit rate for excellent video. That would make the video recorder to 30 fps @ ~ 1Mb/s..niiice.
If they can accomplish WVGA or even D1 (720x480) that would be cool too (or better).
I wish I had the skills/tools to do that, I'd be all over it like white on rice! LOL
Cyph
Personally I don't need 30fps (though it'd be nice). I'd be happy with a video standard such as 23.976fps or whatnot. 20 does look stuttery. Just a few more would fix that. Well. Let's hope someone looks into it. Though it might be necessary that we wait until the x2 is actually released
As the Xperia Arc and Play has a lot of similarity in terms of the software, firmware version, is it possible to port the fantastic user friendly Arc defaults camera apps to PLAY?
Our PLAY camera is not worse than any other 5.1MP camera as I have tried it out few days. However, the UI is quite awkward...
akinishi88 said:
As the Xperia Arc and Play has a lot of similarity in terms of the software, firmware version, is it possible to port the fantastic user friendly Arc defaults camera apps to PLAY?
Our PLAY camera is not worse than any other 5.1MP camera as I have tried it out few days. However, the UI is quite awkward...
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Ofcourse it's possible. As you may have noticed we seem to have a shortage of developers for the xplay maybe when doomlord gets his play he MAY look into it
Thanks for your reply, I found PLAY is a bit unique from Arc and Neo. Not sure if it is a good thing. Fortunately it now updated with the HD video recording which make it more fun for the camera.
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akinishi88 said:
As the Xperia Arc and Play has a lot of similarity in terms of the software, firmware version, is it possible to port the fantastic user friendly Arc defaults camera apps to PLAY?
Our PLAY camera is not worse than any other 5.1MP camera as I have tried it out few days. However, the UI is quite awkward...
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totaly agreed need to be ported only zhdzu can do it
May I know what or who is zhdzu?
I personally like the default camera app, and there are a few panorama apps in the market, I know they arn't as good as Sony's but whatever if you want a proper 360 view just record it.
What is so special about the Arc's camera anyway?
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What is so special about the Arc's camera anyway?
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Its not very special, but its kind of bot fair as the Xperia series should all share the same camera apps that design by the Sony Ericsson. But as you can see, only Play is using the default camera apps that comes with the Android gingerbread...
Why Play does not deserve to get the better SE camera apps? Since it is the Playstation Phone Flagship of the company and its camera spec is fully compatible with the Arc's camera app.
Hi,
Does anybody knows if Doom is working on porting the ARC camera app to PLAY, I know he just got his newly Xperia PLAY, so I'm excited about what he will be able to create for ous phones.
Sorry for grave digging but has anyone made progress with this? I HATE the gingerbread camera app, it's quite unresponsive (compared to iPhones) and would love to try out one made by SE
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Sorry for grave digging but has anyone made progress with this? I HATE the gingerbread camera app, it's quite unresponsive (compared to iPhones) and would love to try out one made by SE
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x2 i want this too.
yeah, it would be great if we can use the Arc version camera...
Nobody knows anything?
Hi guys, I know that some have port the functionality from the Z2, but my question is, will there be any official release for such function in the future for the Z1C? I know it is capable, but the question is, will we get it or not officially? thanx in advance.
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Hi guys, I know that some have port the functionality from the Z2, but my question is, will there be any official release for such function in the future for the Z1C? I know it is capable, but the question is, will we get it or not officially? thanx in advance.
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Nope...
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Nope...
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erm, is there any particular reason why not? or can we have another app that can do the same?
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erm, is there any particular reason why not? or can we have another app that can do the same?
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Snapdragon postet the difference between 800 and 801:
QTI’s 3rd Generation LTE modem, with support for RF360 and popular requirements such as LTE-Broadcast and LTE/3G Multi-SIM
HEVC 1080p support
Support for larger, faster camera sensors and improved image post processing
Maybe you don't get a liquid 4k experience and you don`t get the full 120fps in timeshift.
So it is possible, that Sony don't want difference in their App Specification.
But i would be happy, using Timeshift video, even if it has only 116 FPS or less.
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Snapdragon postet the difference between 800 and 801:
QTI’s 3rd Generation LTE modem, with support for RF360 and popular requirements such as LTE-Broadcast and LTE/3G Multi-SIM
HEVC 1080p support
Support for larger, faster camera sensors and improved image post processing
Maybe you don't get a liquid 4k experience and you don`t get the full 120fps in timeshift.
So it is possible, that Sony don't want difference in their App Specification.
But i would be happy, using Timeshift video, even if it has only 116 FPS or less.
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exactly! so is there any app with the same function that can be used?
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exactly! so is there any app with the same function that can be used?
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First you have to look at the Android API for the camera:
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/camera.html#intent-video
and
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/camera.html#camera-features
For example Timelaps would be no problem to realize with an APP. Because its an API Feature.
For SlowMotion you need a workaround, because Android (in this case the API) do not allow this kind of command on the camera.
A Possible solution is to manipulate the System, for example with root to push our own library into the System.
Slow Motion Apps in the appstore are nothing more than recording with normal speed and slow it down afterwards. (Maybe there are Apps with root, for real slow motion)
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First you have to look at the Android API for the camera:
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/camera.html#intent-video
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http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/camera.html#camera-features
For example Timelaps would be no problem to realize with an APP. Because its an API Feature.
For SlowMotion you need a workaround, because Android (in this case the API) do not allow this kind of command on the camera.
A Possible solution is to manipulate the System, for example with root to push our own library into the System.
Slow Motion Apps in the appstore are nothing more than recording with normal speed and slow it down afterwards. (Maybe there are Apps with root, for real slow motion)
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thanx for the info capt. I really want the slowmo function because i think its cool. Anyway, if you were to suggest such app, what would it be?
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thanx for the info capt. I really want the slowmo function because i think its cool. Anyway, if you were to suggest such app, what would it be?
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I only know the Sony app, as real slow motion.
Because you need root for slow motion, i would try the Sony App. There is a thread in XDA with all Sony camera apps.