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cingular 8525 video calling

Is is possible to use the back camera for video calling on the 8525?

wratran said:
Is is possible to use the back camera for video calling on the 8525?
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On what network would you make the video calls?

i am on us cingular...

wratran said:
i am on us cingular...
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Sorry then. Cingular doesn't support video calling.

videocalling
how about if the 8525 will be used in a different network in my country (philippines) that supports videocalling, would it work?

and what magical front facing camera would you be using?

pr5owner said:
and what magical front facing camera would you be using?
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This one
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1152710&page=1&pp=15

You should make sure that your network provider supports VIDEO CALLING
You don't need to destroy your device by trying to install a camera! You still can get VIDEO CALLS if it is enabled in your ROM. You can see the person who is calling you but nobody can see you!
You might concider the costs of a VIDEO CALL! For the money spent on a VIDEO CALL in 5 minutes you could talk the 'normal way' for hours!
It is possible to tweak the back cam for VIDEO CALLS but what would that help? You can't be watching the screen to see your calling partner and pointing the back cam at you at the same time!

Video calling on the 8525
Look I think the guy is asking a good question. When Video calling is setup on the AT&T network and it will be. it will be one way only and sooner or later they will prefect 2 way video calling. So what is wrong with turning your hand over when it is your turn to talk thus using the rear camera for your side of the video call. then turn your hand to see the video response. The camera in back is far better then the front facing camera. I think if your going to take the time to respond to a question then answer the question, yes or no. Please be helpful not judgmental.

edbutler said:
... Please be helpful not judgmental.
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Hmmm, not sure what your problem is! I was as helpful as possible and having an opinion shouldn't be wrong, should it?

at&t
at&t does support video calling, how do i know? i work for them. there are currently two phones that are capable of video calling (one way.) the only thing is that if our computers don't see your phone as one of those two capable video calling phones than the feature for video calling is not available. sorry if you cant really understand what im saying but to me it makes perfect sense.

sgabriel001 said:
at&t does support video calling, how do i know? i work for them. there are currently two phones that are capable of video calling (one way.) the only thing is that if our computers don't see your phone as one of those two capable video calling phones than the feature for video calling is not available. sorry if you cant really understand what im saying but to me it makes perfect sense.
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Hmmm, I am not sure in what department of AT&T you're working in but up to now both large GSM providers within the US do not support VIDEO CALLING. All though T-Mobile has started tests in several areas such as New York city and Los Angeles but this is only available to a few selected TESTERS.
Also: what sense would 1-way VIDEO CALLING make in the way you describe it? Bunch of crap!

Hey if you guys actually took the link he posted, he is thinking about installing a TyTn camera and a black case... no need to turn phone...

there's a mirror!
Junner2003 said:
You should make sure that your network provider supports VIDEO CALLING
You don't need to destroy your device by trying to install a camera! You still can get VIDEO CALLS if it is enabled in your ROM. You can see the person who is calling you but nobody can see you!
You might concider the costs of a VIDEO CALL! For the money spent on a VIDEO CALL in 5 minutes you could talk the 'normal way' for hours!
It is possible to tweak the back cam for VIDEO CALLS but what would that help? You can't be watching the screen to see your calling partner and pointing the back cam at you at the same time!
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I dont know, but this threads reminds me of one of the famous stories in the engineering classes about the situation during the space race where the Americans invested almost $1 million to create a pen that can be used in gravity-less place, where the Soviets solved it by using a pencil. You know that you can use a mirror pointing to yourself in the mirror and still watching the face of the person you called (if in fact you are using the back cam for video calling)

fizawan said:
I dont know, but this threads reminds me of one of the famous stories in the engineering classes about the situation during the space race where the Americans invested almost $1 million to create a pen that can be used in gravity-less place, where the Soviets solved it by using a pencil. You know that you can use a mirror pointing to yourself in the mirror and still watching the face of the person you called (if in fact you are using the back cam for video calling)
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LOL, I better go shopping buying a mirror which matches my device then!
But get serious for a moment: I used VIDOE CALLING a couple of times overseas in Germany with my K800i. I was not very impressed - especially not after I got my phone bill!
That AT&T former Cingular did not really concider launching the VC feature in near future is already to see on the available handsets they provide! Also as only one network provider they downgraded the HTC Hermes hardware by taking off the front camera which really shows you 'how ready and willing' they are to launch this feature soon!
T-Mobile is not ready yet either but under lots of pressure from its sister networks in Europe ...
A sad thing is that new features / standards either hit the market in the US 2 years too late or America decides to go a different way! This always has been the situation in past and won't change soon! This tendency you also can see if you take a closer look at MOBILE TV which is launched already in Europe but here in the States it became almost an 'on demand' service' mainly featured by Verizon and TWC in my area ...

You said 2 years, but in my opinion it is at least 5 years behind Asian countries like Japan, Korea etc...
I think I first knew about video calling 5 years ago during the FIFA World Cup in Korea/Japan, and it seems to be already established (correct me if I am wrong), and the technology is still about to be decided in US. Ever seen Tokyo Drift movie (where they do video conference about car racing in Japan)? I wonder when that can be done in US...

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Junner2003 said:
A sad thing is that new features / standards either hit the market in the US 2 years too late or America decides to go a different way! This always has been the situation in past and won't change soon! This tendency you also can see if you take a closer look at MOBILE TV which is launched already in Europe but here in the States it became almost an 'on demand' service' mainly featured by Verizon and TWC in my area ...
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AT&T has had MobiTV for a while now... probably 2 years or so.
I agree with what you're saying though. Mobile service providers in the US are ages behind countries like Asia. The main problem though is the average American. The sheep here or perfectly content with paying $100 for a 4 year old cell phone (the Razr) while a $300 phone (The Tilt) gets brushed aside like an annoying fly.
Until attitudes change in the US regarding mobile technology (which they never will), we will never see the nice mobile stuff here.

Second camera TP2

Read it somewhere that TP2 has second camera but it's hidden by t-mobile?

tomasimic said:
Read it somewhere that TP2 has second camera but it's hidden by t-mobile?
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you read it where???

Yeah, you're referring to the camera built into the front of the device. The European version has it installed, but the US versions had it removed. It's used for video calling and in the US, the cell networks are so bogged down by data usage, that it's really not possible. If you look at the front of your phone, top right, you might still be able to faintly see where the camera is supposed to be.

f1ip said:
you read it where???
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Don´t know exactly, but sure not here.
Something that is operator locked the front camera cause has forbidden in USA,
and if you unbranded the phone you can use it for video call.

It was removed by HTC for all US phones. It's not forbidden, it's just not practical on the networks in the US. There are way too many teens texting and watching videos of stupid musical artists (Lady Gaga) for the networks to have enough room for live video feeds (that have to be as dependable as their phone service itself).

rorytmeadows said:
Yeah, you're referring to the camera built into the front of the device. The European version has it installed, but the US versions had it removed. It's used for video calling and in the US, the cell networks are so bogged down by data usage, that it's really not possible. If you look at the front of your phone, top right, you might still be able to faintly see where the camera is supposed to be.
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you sure that second camera (hardware) not inside device?

Like you, I'd love to be proven wrong about that camera being stripped, but I've already read it numerous times...
Paragraph 7...
http://gizmodo.com/5335326/t+mobile-htc-touch-pro2-review-wait-how-much
In comments...
http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/07/t-mobile-touch-pro-2-august-12th/
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http://www.wmexperts.com/t-mobile-touch-pro-2-camera-review-follow
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hope that not true

Yes very true. I own the HTC Touch Pro 2 and mine does come with two cameras one in front for video calling and the other at the back.

the cameras are always removed on branded devices. no us carrier actually supports it for video calling. the camera is only accessible through the dialer so its useless to have it in america anyways. att does offer something called video sharing but it uses the back camera.

few qustians before buying HTC DESIRE... please help

when you take pictuers on the HTC DESIRE
lets say when you take a picture holding the device on landscap - does it save the picture as landscap? i mean that does you have to do ROTATE to photos to save them on the computer?
is there any site i can see all the androind app now? so i can know what ill have and what i can't have..
or i have to check the market app only from a androind device?
thats it for now. still having problems deciding what phone to take - Desire or iPhone 4...
the bad thing that the desire have no front camera for future things like making video calls on fring or mesnnger...
p.s. sorry for my bad English.. hop you can help me! thanks!

Yes, if you take the picture in landscape, the picture will be saved in landscape. Same for portrait. In addition, you can edit the orientation of the photo in the photo viewer.
There is an official Android Market site. But it's not very helpful. You can't push applications to your device and the selections are not complete. Appbrain is a better alternative.
Btw, you should know that video calling is not a "future thing". That's what Apple wants you to believe. The front facing camera was so underutilized that manufacturers have since decided to abandon it. Once Apple adopted it, it's suppose to be the next big thing....sigh...

For finding all the available apps you can try http://www.androlib.com , but it might be a bit hard to find the things you want.
And regarding the videocalling, you can actually videocall with fring on your desire, but it obviously will use the rear facing camera. So it kind of depends on what you want to do, is it really i want to see someone when i call them or i want to show them what i am seeing at this moment.

well is there any HTC phone that is android with fron cam also? somthing like the desire.... ??
i think ill be using the fron camera a lot when i be abrod and want to make calls over fring with WIFI connection...

Quick question for you Amir...do you video call now? You say future things like you're expecting it to be the next big thing. It's been available for years. Why have you never thought to do it before but now seemingly would let it colour your purchasing decisions?

i had N95 for lots of time.. and i did use video call but by then it wans't possiple to use it over WIFI and with fring..
so i allways want that like this.

I had an N95 also and was able to use Fring to make Skype video calls a long time ago.
My question was basically , knowing that video calling is a requirement, why don't you stick with Nokia, who rarely leave out the front cam? Symbian is improving at a rapid pace to try and keep up.

amir84 said:
well is there any HTC phone that is android with fron cam also? somthing like the desire.... ??
i think ill be using the fron camera a lot when i be abrod and want to make calls over fring with WIFI connection...
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There isnt no, the reason htc have left out the front camera is that its not supported by the os
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

so how is the galaxy S have a front cam and runing the same OS ?

AndroHero said:
There isnt no, the reason htc have left out the front camera is that its not supported by the os
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
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That's not 100% correct. The camera hardware is supported just fine...the protocol that is used to make 3G video calls is what I think is missing (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and so negated the inclusion of a front cam.

I had a E71 but never used video calling once. I had it for 3 years also.
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atomfix said:
I had a E71 but never used video calling once. I had it for 3 years also
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http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/December2004/8825.htm
It's old tech but the carriers here in Europe REALLY thought it would take off. Obviously, Apple being Apple, people will start video calling like they've never done before.
Mp3 players were available before the iPod, but no one wanted them...until Apple did it. Mobile phones could install apps and surf the web before the iPhone...no one wanted to, until Apple did it. People have had cameras on their phones for years...but the dawn of the iPhone has seen it remain the most used camera of ANY kind in the world on Flickr since it was released. Tablet PC's wallowed in the wilderness of computing for 10 years before the iPad...now it's the hottest selling device this year.
Apple people tend to start doing things they had no inclination to do before Apple told them it was awesome to do said activity. Expect the same to happen to video calling.

To be honest right..... video calling is the thing of the ancient past. I'm sure the Pharaoh's used video calling in there time. But HD voice calling should be the future
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Video recording app?

I posted this in the Q&A section and it got a couple of hits the quickly got buried. I was wonder if an app existed or could be developed that would allow you when recording to pause and restat a video without you having to start a whole new video.
I thought about this when my wife was using her evo to record our daughters basketball game and she kept having to stop and start new videos to conserve card space when it would have been easier to pause and resume recording.
I know this could go in the Q&A section but I figured if a developer saw this and had some time or was looking for a new project this would be a good one I think.
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hope you got thick skin

It would be easier to just concatenate the two videos when you need to rather than rewriting the whole camera stack just for that one purpose.
And wrong forum.

I hate to sound rude, but this is a cell phone. It shouldnt be used like a real camera to record your family's important things. If you want a camcorder that will stop and start without making a new clip, you will need a real handheld camcorder. There aren't any apps as far as I know that can do this.

CheesyNutz said:
hope you got thick skin
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LMAOOOOO i just understood why u said this about 30 seconds after reading this

if it's a relatively new phone, you can have your wife return it and get the Epic.
My wife has the Epic and it allows you to pause the video and resume without splitting.
Also, the video quality is far, far superior to the Evo. it boarders on Flip quality.
So that's something you can do.

Ok, i get what some people mean by using a dedicated camera for recording but she as well as i both have evo's and we carry those everywhere vs the awh i wish i had a camera moment.
The next thing is that the evo can and does record high quality videos (hdmi out) so why not have an app that makes it act live a regular video camera?
Its too late to swap them out for epic, and i prefer the evo to the epic.
I know there are several phones thst can do it so its not impossible
I know its only about 5 post deep already but i explained why i put this here vs as well as the q&a section.
The evo video quality is far better than flip quality. Come on people really do some of you just sit and wait for an idea to get posted to shoot it down i mean really is that all you guys have in life? If so im happy to give you a reason not to kill yourself.
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sitlet said:
I hate to sound rude, but this is a cell phone. It shouldnt be used like a real camera to record your family's important things. If you want a camcorder that will stop and start without making a new clip, you will need a real handheld camcorder. There aren't any apps as far as I know that can do this.
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If the EVO was just a cell phone then I would say you have a point. But the EVO is not built to be just a cell phone, its a smartphone and even saying that is degrading what it do. I had an old 2mp kodak camera a while back which had a small card in it. now you have the EVO with an 8mp camera and a 8gb card and you say don't take pictures. Same thing with the camcorder. If I buy a device worth 400/500 dollars it better be able to do something other than just take cell phone calls. So if dude wants to record rare moments of life that only can be caught if you have a device like this handy, then I say let him. Its not his fault a 3min 5min video is like 2gb. That is where the problem lies, files shouldnt be like that especially if its just a cell phone.

Skype Coming To WP7...What About Video Chat For Current Phones?

with skype video calls coming to wp7 is there any hope for the current phones to do video chat?
i remember seeing a picture of something that connects to the camera lens on the cell phones and sits at the top of the phone to let u do video chats on phones without a front facing camera...is this real or was i seeing something photoshopped?
because after mix 2011...it seems like it might be best to wait til the newer mango ready phones with possibly a front facing camera comes out to go wp7.

Just wish they add FFC in newer devices.

Well, if the API for camera access is open, at least if you need to show the person on the other side something using your camera, you should be able to. That is what I expect. Video chatting isn't only useful for seeing the other side's face.

You can stream out of the back camera if the app allows it (Tango on Android does this), and while I do have uses for that use case I don't know how exactly you're going to "Video Chat" without a FFC, TBQH...
I don't use Skype, though. Their Windows software is just too terrible for me to suffer though. It's in the same category as iTunes now. Need a decent WLM client with VoIP, File Transfer, and Video Chatting support... More people I know use that. No one I know uses Skype. They'll just tell me to text them instead, if I try to get them to install it.

I like how everyone now wants video chat since Apple "reinvented" it with Facetime. I had already had video chat years ago on my Nokia and couldn't care less. Same for many people in Europe I presume.
To the original question: The phones we have now won't be able to do some things, that's just the way it is and it's the same with the iPhone. You can still get a new phone after Mango is released to have full functionality. To announce video calls, they first need to announce new chassis with front facing camera which they haven't done (yet?).

Peew971 said:
I like how everyone now wants video chat since Apple "reinvented" it with Facetime. I had already had video chat years ago on my Nokia and couldn't care less. Same for many people in Europe I presume.
To the original question: The phones we have now won't be able to do some things, that's just the way it is and it's the same with the iPhone. You can still get a new phone after Mango is released to have full functionality. To announce video calls, they first need to announce new chassis with front facing camera which they haven't done (yet?).
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It's a bit to do with Apple and a bit of other factors.
I remember 3G video calling here in the UK it sucked, didn't work very well, was pointless and never took off.
However, with wifi enabled phones and bigger screens its now higher quality, I assume as if you're using a PC. Skype will also allow you to video call people who are sitting at their desks etc.

Peew971 said:
I like how everyone now wants video chat since Apple "reinvented" it with Facetime. I had already had video chat years ago on my Nokia and couldn't care less. Same for many people in Europe I presume.
To the original question: The phones we have now won't be able to do some things, that's just the way it is and it's the same with the iPhone. You can still get a new phone after Mango is released to have full functionality. To announce video calls, they first need to announce new chassis with front facing camera which they haven't done (yet?).
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That's not totally true. Outside of Symbian (not a factor in NA) no other smartphone really had the capabilities. A few rarities, but nothing really big.
What Apple did was a "Me First move." They went first and tested out a capability that had been largely untested in this market and it was a hit.
Also, Desktop video chat software has also gotten better. Services like Yahoo! and Windows Live now support High Definition Video Chatting, and Skype now supports Video Conferencing. There is software like WebEx for Business Users to conference with, as well (we use that at work, there is an Android App for it in the marketplace).
Couple that with the fact that the smartphone market is growing at a nice rate, as well.
As businesses and consumers alike become more and more mobile, and began to drop netbooks/laptops for Smartphones and Tablets, they will ultimately want some of that portability on their devices. One of the most obvious things that smartphones were missing... are webcams i.e. Front-Facing Cameras.
That being said, Skype Video Chat has been proven a ridiculous battery Hog on the iPhone (something like 10% battery for < 30 minutes of video chatting - you're running the camera and streaming tons of data OTA). I think the market needs to focus a bit on battery tech. Hardware in smartphones is good enough that they don't need to be pushing the envelope as much as they are now. They're treating smartphones like their desktop gaming cards or something...

N8ter said:
That's not totally true. Outside of Symbian (not a factor in NA) no other smartphone really had the capabilities. A few rarities, but nothing really big.
What Apple did was a "Me First move." They went first and tested out a capability that had been largely untested in this market and it was a hit.
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Ahh in the US Maybe, but in the UK video calling was everywhere. Infact we have a network that is dedicated to 3G only phones, ALL of which in the beginning were capable of Video Calls. I think only one of them was a Symbian Phone, the N70.
We had plenty handsets in the UK and Europe capable of Video Chat but it never really kicked off. However, from your post I now realise why Apple are plugging it as much as they are, it hasn't been done properly in the US (and now technology is more advanced anyway).
Remember the European/Asian market is bigger than the US one (This is probably the ONLY industry where Europe technically comes first) so it probably didn't kick off originally in the US because manufacturers were seeing their Video Call phones do poorly in the UK/Europe and just didn't bother with the US because of it (Aside from Nokia who arguably, at that time, were big enough to pull it off).

I think Nokia may do it first.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...ows-phone-models/&category=classic&postPage=1
Concept, prototype, don't know.

brummiesteven said:
Ahh in the US Maybe, but in the UK video calling was everywhere. Infact we have a network that is dedicated to 3G only phones, ALL of which in the beginning were capable of Video Calls. I think only one of them was a Symbian Phone, the N70.
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When I bought my Sony Ericsson V600 Vodafone gave me another for free, which I gave to my wife... we had a blast on video calls.