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Second camera TP2

Read it somewhere that TP2 has second camera but it's hidden by t-mobile?

tomasimic said:
Read it somewhere that TP2 has second camera but it's hidden by t-mobile?
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you read it where???

Yeah, you're referring to the camera built into the front of the device. The European version has it installed, but the US versions had it removed. It's used for video calling and in the US, the cell networks are so bogged down by data usage, that it's really not possible. If you look at the front of your phone, top right, you might still be able to faintly see where the camera is supposed to be.

f1ip said:
you read it where???
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Don´t know exactly, but sure not here.
Something that is operator locked the front camera cause has forbidden in USA,
and if you unbranded the phone you can use it for video call.

It was removed by HTC for all US phones. It's not forbidden, it's just not practical on the networks in the US. There are way too many teens texting and watching videos of stupid musical artists (Lady Gaga) for the networks to have enough room for live video feeds (that have to be as dependable as their phone service itself).

rorytmeadows said:
Yeah, you're referring to the camera built into the front of the device. The European version has it installed, but the US versions had it removed. It's used for video calling and in the US, the cell networks are so bogged down by data usage, that it's really not possible. If you look at the front of your phone, top right, you might still be able to faintly see where the camera is supposed to be.
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you sure that second camera (hardware) not inside device?

Like you, I'd love to be proven wrong about that camera being stripped, but I've already read it numerous times...
Paragraph 7...
http://gizmodo.com/5335326/t+mobile-htc-touch-pro2-review-wait-how-much
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http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/07/t-mobile-touch-pro-2-august-12th/
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http://www.wmexperts.com/t-mobile-touch-pro-2-camera-review-follow
etc etc

hope that not true

Yes very true. I own the HTC Touch Pro 2 and mine does come with two cameras one in front for video calling and the other at the back.

the cameras are always removed on branded devices. no us carrier actually supports it for video calling. the camera is only accessible through the dialer so its useless to have it in america anyways. att does offer something called video sharing but it uses the back camera.

Video Calling in T Mobile TP2

My tp2 does not have front camera.. is there any way i could do video calling with the back camera... my dialer supports video calling and also there is a option for switching to main and front camera... but it does not work.. what are my options??... i wonder why the hell this costly device does not have a front camera... damn it.. i did not realise it when buying the phone..

depakjan said:
i wonder why the hell this costly device does not have a front camera.
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Is this a T-MobileUSA-branded TP2? Video-calling isn't supported by USA cell networks, so that's why there is no camera for video-calling on a USA-company-branded phone.
If you did figure out how to use the back camera...would you use a mirror in order to see the screen while being seen by the camera?

depakjan said:
My tp2 does not have front camera.. is there any way i could do video calling with the back camera... my dialer supports video calling and also there is a option for switching to main and front camera... but it does not work.. what are my options??... i wonder why the hell this costly device does not have a front camera... damn it.. i did not realise it when buying the phone..
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welcome to america...i hope you find your stay here a pleasant one...

MCbrian said:
Is this a T-MobileUSA-branded TP2? Video-calling isn't supported by USA cell networks, so that's why there is no camera for video-calling on a USA-company-branded phone.
If you did figure out how to use the back camera...would you use a mirror in order to see the screen while being seen by the camera?
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!,.... i am so surprised to hear that video calling is not supported in USA... how the hell... in my country only 2 months back 3g was launched and it supported video calling day one.. what is so hard in this in USA.. USA has all sorts of techie things.. and 3g is there for almost one or 2 year back and video calling is not supported... .... i guess there is something wrong not technically though!!!!
And yea i would like to use my speakerphone and show my video... is'nt that ok??.. i could atleast show off.. thing is most of the indian's don't have HTC's or some $500 worth phone with them .. they just have some nokia's and those mobiles have front camera with them and they are kidding me .. LOL... why the heck did you buy this costly phone when it does not even support video calling.. i could not make them understand..

+1
We want video call even just with the back camera, and I think thats is not just in our dreams, it could bw realize, just need some patching or what

I'm fairly sure the new Iphone is going to have a front facing camera.... so ATT CAN support it they just .... dont. Which is radiculous since they actually strip down HTC phones and take out the front facing camera. In Canada the Touch Pro and Diamond all had front facing camera's and could do video calling. We've had that for almost 10 years on our ATT Network up there and there is NO difference to the US network.
So.. yeah ATT is just bending over backwards for Apple... WHICH I suppose is fine if it means that they'll have to enable video calling for all devices.

few qustians before buying HTC DESIRE... please help

when you take pictuers on the HTC DESIRE
lets say when you take a picture holding the device on landscap - does it save the picture as landscap? i mean that does you have to do ROTATE to photos to save them on the computer?
is there any site i can see all the androind app now? so i can know what ill have and what i can't have..
or i have to check the market app only from a androind device?
thats it for now. still having problems deciding what phone to take - Desire or iPhone 4...
the bad thing that the desire have no front camera for future things like making video calls on fring or mesnnger...
p.s. sorry for my bad English.. hop you can help me! thanks!

Yes, if you take the picture in landscape, the picture will be saved in landscape. Same for portrait. In addition, you can edit the orientation of the photo in the photo viewer.
There is an official Android Market site. But it's not very helpful. You can't push applications to your device and the selections are not complete. Appbrain is a better alternative.
Btw, you should know that video calling is not a "future thing". That's what Apple wants you to believe. The front facing camera was so underutilized that manufacturers have since decided to abandon it. Once Apple adopted it, it's suppose to be the next big thing....sigh...

For finding all the available apps you can try http://www.androlib.com , but it might be a bit hard to find the things you want.
And regarding the videocalling, you can actually videocall with fring on your desire, but it obviously will use the rear facing camera. So it kind of depends on what you want to do, is it really i want to see someone when i call them or i want to show them what i am seeing at this moment.

well is there any HTC phone that is android with fron cam also? somthing like the desire.... ??
i think ill be using the fron camera a lot when i be abrod and want to make calls over fring with WIFI connection...

Quick question for you Amir...do you video call now? You say future things like you're expecting it to be the next big thing. It's been available for years. Why have you never thought to do it before but now seemingly would let it colour your purchasing decisions?

i had N95 for lots of time.. and i did use video call but by then it wans't possiple to use it over WIFI and with fring..
so i allways want that like this.

I had an N95 also and was able to use Fring to make Skype video calls a long time ago.
My question was basically , knowing that video calling is a requirement, why don't you stick with Nokia, who rarely leave out the front cam? Symbian is improving at a rapid pace to try and keep up.

amir84 said:
well is there any HTC phone that is android with fron cam also? somthing like the desire.... ??
i think ill be using the fron camera a lot when i be abrod and want to make calls over fring with WIFI connection...
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There isnt no, the reason htc have left out the front camera is that its not supported by the os
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

so how is the galaxy S have a front cam and runing the same OS ?

AndroHero said:
There isnt no, the reason htc have left out the front camera is that its not supported by the os
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
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That's not 100% correct. The camera hardware is supported just fine...the protocol that is used to make 3G video calls is what I think is missing (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and so negated the inclusion of a front cam.

I had a E71 but never used video calling once. I had it for 3 years also.
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atomfix said:
I had a E71 but never used video calling once. I had it for 3 years also
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http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/December2004/8825.htm
It's old tech but the carriers here in Europe REALLY thought it would take off. Obviously, Apple being Apple, people will start video calling like they've never done before.
Mp3 players were available before the iPod, but no one wanted them...until Apple did it. Mobile phones could install apps and surf the web before the iPhone...no one wanted to, until Apple did it. People have had cameras on their phones for years...but the dawn of the iPhone has seen it remain the most used camera of ANY kind in the world on Flickr since it was released. Tablet PC's wallowed in the wilderness of computing for 10 years before the iPad...now it's the hottest selling device this year.
Apple people tend to start doing things they had no inclination to do before Apple told them it was awesome to do said activity. Expect the same to happen to video calling.

To be honest right..... video calling is the thing of the ancient past. I'm sure the Pharaoh's used video calling in there time. But HD voice calling should be the future
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Skype Coming To WP7...What About Video Chat For Current Phones?

with skype video calls coming to wp7 is there any hope for the current phones to do video chat?
i remember seeing a picture of something that connects to the camera lens on the cell phones and sits at the top of the phone to let u do video chats on phones without a front facing camera...is this real or was i seeing something photoshopped?
because after mix 2011...it seems like it might be best to wait til the newer mango ready phones with possibly a front facing camera comes out to go wp7.

Just wish they add FFC in newer devices.

Well, if the API for camera access is open, at least if you need to show the person on the other side something using your camera, you should be able to. That is what I expect. Video chatting isn't only useful for seeing the other side's face.

You can stream out of the back camera if the app allows it (Tango on Android does this), and while I do have uses for that use case I don't know how exactly you're going to "Video Chat" without a FFC, TBQH...
I don't use Skype, though. Their Windows software is just too terrible for me to suffer though. It's in the same category as iTunes now. Need a decent WLM client with VoIP, File Transfer, and Video Chatting support... More people I know use that. No one I know uses Skype. They'll just tell me to text them instead, if I try to get them to install it.

I like how everyone now wants video chat since Apple "reinvented" it with Facetime. I had already had video chat years ago on my Nokia and couldn't care less. Same for many people in Europe I presume.
To the original question: The phones we have now won't be able to do some things, that's just the way it is and it's the same with the iPhone. You can still get a new phone after Mango is released to have full functionality. To announce video calls, they first need to announce new chassis with front facing camera which they haven't done (yet?).

Peew971 said:
I like how everyone now wants video chat since Apple "reinvented" it with Facetime. I had already had video chat years ago on my Nokia and couldn't care less. Same for many people in Europe I presume.
To the original question: The phones we have now won't be able to do some things, that's just the way it is and it's the same with the iPhone. You can still get a new phone after Mango is released to have full functionality. To announce video calls, they first need to announce new chassis with front facing camera which they haven't done (yet?).
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It's a bit to do with Apple and a bit of other factors.
I remember 3G video calling here in the UK it sucked, didn't work very well, was pointless and never took off.
However, with wifi enabled phones and bigger screens its now higher quality, I assume as if you're using a PC. Skype will also allow you to video call people who are sitting at their desks etc.

Peew971 said:
I like how everyone now wants video chat since Apple "reinvented" it with Facetime. I had already had video chat years ago on my Nokia and couldn't care less. Same for many people in Europe I presume.
To the original question: The phones we have now won't be able to do some things, that's just the way it is and it's the same with the iPhone. You can still get a new phone after Mango is released to have full functionality. To announce video calls, they first need to announce new chassis with front facing camera which they haven't done (yet?).
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That's not totally true. Outside of Symbian (not a factor in NA) no other smartphone really had the capabilities. A few rarities, but nothing really big.
What Apple did was a "Me First move." They went first and tested out a capability that had been largely untested in this market and it was a hit.
Also, Desktop video chat software has also gotten better. Services like Yahoo! and Windows Live now support High Definition Video Chatting, and Skype now supports Video Conferencing. There is software like WebEx for Business Users to conference with, as well (we use that at work, there is an Android App for it in the marketplace).
Couple that with the fact that the smartphone market is growing at a nice rate, as well.
As businesses and consumers alike become more and more mobile, and began to drop netbooks/laptops for Smartphones and Tablets, they will ultimately want some of that portability on their devices. One of the most obvious things that smartphones were missing... are webcams i.e. Front-Facing Cameras.
That being said, Skype Video Chat has been proven a ridiculous battery Hog on the iPhone (something like 10% battery for < 30 minutes of video chatting - you're running the camera and streaming tons of data OTA). I think the market needs to focus a bit on battery tech. Hardware in smartphones is good enough that they don't need to be pushing the envelope as much as they are now. They're treating smartphones like their desktop gaming cards or something...

N8ter said:
That's not totally true. Outside of Symbian (not a factor in NA) no other smartphone really had the capabilities. A few rarities, but nothing really big.
What Apple did was a "Me First move." They went first and tested out a capability that had been largely untested in this market and it was a hit.
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Ahh in the US Maybe, but in the UK video calling was everywhere. Infact we have a network that is dedicated to 3G only phones, ALL of which in the beginning were capable of Video Calls. I think only one of them was a Symbian Phone, the N70.
We had plenty handsets in the UK and Europe capable of Video Chat but it never really kicked off. However, from your post I now realise why Apple are plugging it as much as they are, it hasn't been done properly in the US (and now technology is more advanced anyway).
Remember the European/Asian market is bigger than the US one (This is probably the ONLY industry where Europe technically comes first) so it probably didn't kick off originally in the US because manufacturers were seeing their Video Call phones do poorly in the UK/Europe and just didn't bother with the US because of it (Aside from Nokia who arguably, at that time, were big enough to pull it off).

I think Nokia may do it first.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...ows-phone-models/&category=classic&postPage=1
Concept, prototype, don't know.

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Ahh in the US Maybe, but in the UK video calling was everywhere. Infact we have a network that is dedicated to 3G only phones, ALL of which in the beginning were capable of Video Calls. I think only one of them was a Symbian Phone, the N70.
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When I bought my Sony Ericsson V600 Vodafone gave me another for free, which I gave to my wife... we had a blast on video calls.

How to make a 3G video call..

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It's 2012, who does 3g video calling anymore?
There's plenty of other much better, much cheaper options.

You can't do it on many android phones AFAIK.

Spybreak said:
It's 2012, who does 3g video calling anymore?
There's plenty of other much better, much cheaper options.
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Very true, people use other apps to video call each other via wifi or 3g.
Maybe its not such a surprise after all..

Samsung phones support this. But it is important to understand that native video calling uses generic 3G speeds only for video quality. Whereas Skype and other solutions make full use of an HSPA connection resulting in MUCH higher video quality. While it would be good to have 3G video calling for completeness, it is an outdated technology, bettered significantly by the likes of Skype.

Johnny0906 said:
Very true, people use other apps to video call each other via wifi or 3g.
Maybe its not such a surprise after all..
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It's an annoyance, especially considering video dall minutes are included in my voice minutes, wheras Skype etc would come out of my Data Allowance.

I understand all your points..
But its one thing to not use a facility but not to have it in a top smartphone raises a little concern right?

Why Sony is not incorporating native video calling in their xperia S is out of my understanding...
Nokia has it in their Symbians and even Windows phones...
Samsung has done in their few androids as well...
And few more...
why cant Sony...

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This is 2012. 3G video calls died in the wake of the Iphone's birth.

they died long before that!!

JimmyEatFood said:
It's an annoyance, especially considering video dall minutes are included in my voice minutes, wheras Skype etc would come out of my Data Allowance.
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Well not a biggie for me I guess because I have 10GB per month.
Just caught an awesome deal a few months over here

MinecraftZombi.es said:
they died long before that!!
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Did it ever really take of in the first place?
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Too bad but still i would have loved to have that feature on my One X.....my video calling minutes are getting wasted!!!...

rn9215 said:
Too bad but still i would have loved to have that feature on my One X.....my video calling minutes are getting wasted!!!...
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Carriers still give video minutes on their plans?? @[email protected]

Spybreak said:
It's 2012, who does 3g video calling anymore
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When the SGS2 came out the majority wanted to know how to remove the 3G video calling option from the dialer. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Even where handsets do have Video over 3g enabled (like some Nokia's) there are still limitations between carriers…. some carriers wont accept video calls from other carriers , and others wont allow outgoing calls to other carriers. Think their maybe some compatibility issues between handsets too.
So, even though your dependant on both caller and receiver having Skype etc on their handsets and having a good data plan (or wifi), these limitations are only as prohibitive of the native 3g calling
Steve

Geez I never that I couldnt make video calling seems a waste though to say teh least, then again havnt made one since it was first introduced

video call have lesser rates compared to 3g data. And here in India 3g is much costlier

i dont see why those who are against 3G calls are against it !
In some parts of the world, VOIP (or any video calls that uses internet) is prohibited unless licensed by the telecommunications regulatory bodies and telecos. This is practiced to ensure a monopolistic dominance over the teleco market, which draws a massive amount of its profits from expatriates making very expensive calls (voice calls or even using the internet) to their home countries.
In the united arab emirates where i live for example, even skype runs with alot of hiccups due to this, not to mention that the website itself is blocked. So yes it may be 2012 to you guys, but over here is no later than the late 90s when it comes to this regard.
That being said, HTC should've done like samsung, they equipped their phones with 3G calls capability anyways, and thats it. And btw, 3G calls are so popular here because 3G data plans are in contrast more expensive than those calls themselves. Its their house and their rules...HTC are so deluded !
If samsung included it in their phones then HTC (or any other phone maker) should. Weather its used by the end user or not is a personal matter between the phone and the user.

And did anyone find any reasonable video call APP? Skype does not support HOX yet, and max possible resolution is 320x240. This kinda sucks. Gtalk is not any better to be honest. Best quality i was able to achieve was Google+ Hangout but still it was far from what HOX has to offer (1280x720).