Is anyone aware or the physical way to fool the desire to go into car dock mode either by rewiring a usb cable, or does it use the same magnetic sensor as the nexus, I currently use a boadit iPhone cradle that fits perfect and i have a charger mini usb cramped and srewed into the bottom, I would like to be just be able to drop it in and it go into the Navigator app and switch on bluetooth automaticly and kill both when i remove it ..
thanks
birdster said:
Is anyone aware or the physical way to fool the desire to go into car dock mode either by rewiring a usb cable, or does it use the same magnetic sensor as the nexus, I currently use a boadit iPhone cradle that fits perfect and i have a charger mini usb cramped and srewed into the bottom, I would like to be just be able to drop it in and it go into the Navigator app and switch on bluetooth automaticly and kill both when i remove it ..
thanks
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The droid/milestone used magnets to detect the dock, but the google car dock uses bluetooth and doesn't even use the usb cable (it uses the gold 3 bits on the bottom of the phone). I too wished you could do the same, but my brodit holder fit the phone so badly, I've decided to shell out and try the original car dock - just waiting for it to come.
Thanks for the reply, so the million dollar question is how does the desire's dock sense when its dropped in the cradle, any ideas people ? I read somewhere forgot now doh !! that it might be a case of grounding one of the data lines in the usb cable, can anyone confirm this ?
I'd like to know this too.. Dockmode/Cardockmode
Look at this thread - probably the id pin, but i need someone with the same charger and a multimeter to check some things
I have 2 chargers (work & home) that I use that plug directly into the wall, the one at home brings up Navigator where the one at work doesn't, so it must have to do with the pins in the USB connector.
Can you do some measurements with a multimeter on that charger that opens the navigator???
oh this sounds like what we wanna hear, my betting is one of the usb data lines gets grounded as ive mentioned before !!! plz test to see if more than one of the pins in the usb plu is being grounded .... pretty plz !! heh
Hey Guys,
yes it looks like the Desire can be fooled into thinking its connected to a car dock, my car charger seems to do it when the usb is not properly inserted.
I suspect HTC might release a car dock for the Desire. If not some one should really monopolise on the fact that this can be done.
I will be experimenting with it soon but currently have way to much uni work to finish for the end of the month
Ok went into the workshop and stripped the desire usb lead, I tried every combo of pulling the data lines to ground even both together, the installed navigator.apk didnt kick in , but looking at a reatime system dump i could see usbconnected and type(0) , type (1), type(2) had been triggered, on the differnt combo's i tested, why its not kicking in is anyones guess, maybe cas the Incredible navigator.apk is strictly configured for that device, guess the Incredibles navigators.apk has to be recompiled with new settings !!
I will try it with the cardock.apk tomorrow ripped from the nexus we might have more luck with that me thinks !!! fingers crossed !!!
Keep up the good work! I FINALLY get my Desire delivered tomorrow (after waiting 4.5weeks for stock!!!), so I can have a look at this too... let us know how you get on.
I'm interested in a homedock/multimediadock trigger as well as the car dock trigger. It should be included in the Desire as well as the cardock.
Here's an emulator that could be helpful in the process of developing a dockapp or finding out what's really happening..
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.net-geekherd-dockenabler-pBmD.aspx
I'll try to find the homedockingtrigger if there is any to use in my homemade dockstation
Hi
Wonder if there has been any progress on this? I'm keen to hack my Brodit active cradle to be a fake real dock!
James
gw0udm said:
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Wonder if there has been any progress on this? I'm keen to hack my Brodit active cradle to be a fake real dock!
James
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Same here! Any progress?!
after upgrade to froyo, i pluged my car charger in my desire and the car mode icon showed up, even when the other end of the charger is NOT pluged in the lighter. I use a charger for my old HTC Diamond and added a little thing that convert a mini USB port (wich is on diamond) to a micro USB. And the cable on my charger is too short for me so it has been moded (extended) by my self, there is only two wire in the cable for power, so there must be something in the plug itself that triggers the car mode. if only plug the converter into Desire, nothing happened
It's the ID pin that needs to be connected to ground, as indicated in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=744636
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Hi all,
I am trying to find a spare USB cable for my TP2 and not having luck locating one here in Jakarta. I want one to leave plugged into the PC for syncing and the original one I will use with the charger each night.
Anyone know if a standard USB cable will work with the TP2. I am concerned that the 2 row of connections gets shorted on the plug even though it appears to plug in. I have tested it with power on so no idea of it actually works or not. Don't want to risk damage to my brand new TP2.
Cheers,
Dave...
Don't worry, a standard cable will work! I have used one for the past 3 years with my tytn ii and have been using them with my TP2. It was designed to be compatible as far as I'm aware!
As you can see if you look when offering the cable to the hole it fills the whole thing and fits snug and theres a gap of .5mm or so between the underside of the plastic bit in the phone to the metal of the cable or plug.
I hope that made sence!
The 5 connections on the underside are for audio, just incase you where wondering!
Tom
Finally find out how the car mode is triggerd
short circuit the ID Pin of the micro usb conector to any other pin will make my phone into Car mode and the car panel will popup if installed.
The ID-Pin is the 4th pin of the conector wich is the 2nd from left when desire facing up. Since the pc end of a data cable doesn't have the ID-pin, it won't work like this thread said
forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6519276&postcount=10
birdster said:
Ok went into the workshop and stripped the desire usb lead, I tried every combo of pulling the data lines to ground even both together, the installed navigator.apk didnt kick in , but looking at a reatime system dump i could see usbconnected and type(0) , type (1), type(2) had been triggered, on the differnt combo's i tested, why its not kicking in is anyones guess, maybe cas the Incredible navigator.apk is strictly configured for that device, guess the Incredibles navigators.apk has to be recompiled with new settings !!
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can someone confirm that
Can you confirm with pictures or diagrams?
So this means that an amended cable would do it every time?
yes, just like my car charger did, even when the charger is not pluged in the car lighter.
Can you please post pin-out schematics?
Thx.
i think the menu is hidden by htc as the desire does not have the copper pins at the bottom like the nexus 1. hence the nexus 1 car dock wont work on the desire. the nexus one can be charged with the pins and does not need the micro usb for car dock chargings / docking. i guess the car dock software options shown on the desire by accessing the settings widgets are a hangover from the similar software on the nexus 1 hence hidden on the desire by htc.
i have the car dock app installed (dont remember from where though) and it works fine instead with navigation / voice search icons etc.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
bubblesmoney said:
i think the menu is hidden by htc as the desire does not have the copper pins at the bottom like the nexus 1. hence the nexus 1 car dock wont work on the desire. the nexus one can be charged with the pins and does not need the micro usb for car dock chargings / docking. i guess the car dock software options shown on the desire by accessing the settings widgets are a hangover from the similar software on the nexus 1 hence hidden on the desire by htc.
i have the car dock app installed (dont remember from where though) and it works fine instead with navigation / voice search icons etc.
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HTC is coming out with their own car dock. That is why their 2.2 ROM has the necessary support for it.
http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=199788
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Can you please post pin-out schematics?
Thx.
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Yes, I would be very interested in the schematic
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HTC is coming out with their own car dock. That is why their 2.2 ROM has the necessary support for it.
http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=199788
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something like that has been on th expansys and other websites since april / may onwards! so i wouldnt take that too seriously till it actually arrives and car dock works when docking.
at present i use the car dock app which has to be triggered manually but works fine. i use it with the car mode app.
Yesterday i was driving with the car charger inserted in the Desire, when i was moving the cable sometimes the Desire gave a little car icon and my NavApp was activated. Sow i think i has something to do with the 4th pin, and you don't need a certan resistor attatch to it to get it in a certain mode.
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something like that has been on th expansys and other websites since april / may onwards! so i wouldnt take that too seriously till it actually arrives and car dock works when docking.
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That is probably because it needs 2.2 to to work properly. That's why the timing just happens to be after the release of said ROM.
Seems very overpriced if all it does is hold and charge the phone + short some pins together to enable car mode. Seems like anyone could make something to do that.
I some how triggered car mode on my desire yesterday. It must have been as I inserted the charger as I pulled away so may have shorted a pin. but went to car doc mode and had car symbol on status bar and I had to push to exit even after unplugging charger. I have not been able to replicate this since.
I bought 3 mini usb to micro usb adapters from eBay to allow me to use my existing car chargers and all three of them put my Desire (2.2) into car mode but don't appear to work as data adapters in my quick test.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310237922332
I see the car symbol and the notification tells me that I am in car mode but what does it do for me?
Thanks,
Since Froyo update I keep getting the car icon in the task bar when I plug the charger in...
Following the instructions I've made a "car dock cable". I intend to use it with a usb car charger when that arrives. I just soldered pin 4 and 5 together, which now gives me the icon and navigator pop up.
I used one of these cables : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260636551302 as they have an easily removable micro usb end, plastic cover.
Can you give more details - 4 and 5 on the non Desire end?
Yes, more details please. Would be interesting if I can modify a Brodit active charger..
Philosoma said:
Yes, more details please. Would be interesting if I can modify a Brodit active charger..
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I also bought an active Brodit charger and it doesn't seem to trigger the car mode, so I am curious if it would be possible to modify to charger in order to achieve this.
Edit: I just sent an email to Brodit and asked them if its possible. Let's see what their answer will be. I post it asap.
I bought 2 different Mini usb to micro usb converters from Brando.hk.
Carmode triggered on both types when i use it with my old Athena charger.
think i paid around 6$ for a converter.
This might be easiest way without cutting cables and soldering.
theese are the converters.
http://shop.brando.com/mini-usb-to-micro-usb-adapter_p03683c0006d001.html
and
http://shop.brando.com/mini-usb-to-micro-usb-adapter-w-on-off-switch_p04160c0006d001.html
Hi there,
I am searching for a cradle for the Wildfire S but every cradle I found was like "i put my phone in and then have to plug in a seperate cable to the power connector of my phone". Though this cable is integrated in the cradle it looks ugly and is far away from a simple "plugin-plugout"
Do you know a cradle without such a cable but still with function of charging? I have something in my mind, where you can plug the phone in from the right side instead from above.
Thanks a lot,
cmoe
cmoe said:
Hi there,
I am searching for a cradle for the Wildfire S but every cradle I found was like "i put my phone in and then have to plug in a seperate cable to the power connector of my phone". Though this cable is integrated in the cradle it looks ugly and is far away from a simple "plugin-plugout"
Do you know a cradle without such a cable but still with function of charging? I have something in my mind, where you can plug the phone in from the right side instead from above.
Thanks a lot,
cmoe
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You have to survey to http://www.pdashop.be/accessoire/12... assortiment/htc-wildfire-s-silver-white.html
I'm searching for an Active Car Holder (Cradle / Dock) for the ACRO S.
with the DK200 Charger Cradle Dock it is easy to Charge the Acro at home.
So do I stick the DK200 into the car. or there is a better possibility.
I would need exactly the same. Only problem is that the desktop cradle holds the phone vertically, but I need it on my dashboard horizontally. For watching TED, navigation, etc.
Options I found so far:
- buy another desktop cradle ($10 on ebay), cut it into two and modify it so the connectors come out from the bottom --> would be ugly I am afraid
- buy a cradle for another phone from KIDIGI , and try to push Acro S into that. For example Xperia S or HTC Incredible has very similar sizes, but I cannot test if it fits unless I buy one... and then I would need to hack it as well to put the connector pins to the bottom
I don't like either options... if anyone would have any other ideas, please let me know
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I would need exactly the same. Only problem is that the desktop cradle holds the phone vertically, but I need it on my dashboard horizontally. For watching TED, navigation, etc.
Options I found so far:
- buy another desktop cradle ($10 on ebay), cut it into two and modify it so the connectors come out from the bottom --> would be ugly I am afraid
- buy a cradle for another phone from KIDIGI , and try to push Acro S into that. For example Xperia S or HTC Incredible has very similar sizes, but I cannot test if it fits unless I buy one... and then I would need to hack it as well to put the connector pins to the bottom
I don't like either options... if anyone would have any other ideas, please let me know
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Sorry for being out of topic, but for the cradle, do we just pull out the phone, cause it seems like I am going to break either one every time I do it.
I built my own active cradle ...
I bought a cheap hard case from ebay and I modified it so the phone will get in and out easy, then I glued on it some springs for the power connections and I also installed a micro-usb port so I can use any regular car charger with a micro-usb connector.
I also attached to it a suction cup with a multi-angle orientation leg.
I used epoxi resin to put everything together and the final device is extremely functional. I still have to build a case around the springs and micro-usb connector in order to have it "like from the factory".
I'll attach some photos tomorrow (currently the holder is in the car and outside is raining ... not to mention is midnight here )
yeah please please photos - can not sleep before
The photos, as promised
As I already said, is still work in progress (regarding the finishing of the case around the springs and the microusb port) but it is 100% functional.
VERY GREAT WORK :good:
From which Telephone is the cheap hard case?
Which Material are the springs?
This is the exact case I bought (but you can find even cheaper): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300795656907
As for the springs, those are from a battery holder. you can use even the spring from a mechanical pen.
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As I already said, is still work in progress (regarding the finishing of the case around the springs and the microusb port) but it is 100% functional.
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Nice! Would like to mimic that.
I have a USB cable wih plug that I could glew to the back of a cradle, like you did. But what wires from the cable should be connected to the phone? And also, does anyone have any thoughts on the voltage and current that the Acro S expects on that connection? Regular USB values or a bit more?
Frank
Good
Very great work
I know the stock charger is 5v 1.5amp
Sean
what about this car holder: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Windscreen-C...0325?pt=UK_Holders_Mounts&hash=item2574212985
veimus said:
what about this car holder: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Windscreen-C...0325?pt=UK_Holders_Mounts&hash=item2574212985
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only a passiv holder. No active car-holder. You must put the USB-Charger extra.
active car-holder:
http://www.navisys.de/Brodit-Aktiv-Halter-Zigarettananzuender-fuer-Sony-Xperia-Acro-S
http://www.navisys.de/Brodit-Aktiv-Halter-Festanschluss-fuer-Sony-Xperia-Acro-S
Cant believe this is the top hit on google when looking for a acro S car holder. Jeez, Sony - dont need our money or what?
Hi, I've recently bought micro USB slot - the same as in the picture, but I can't connect it, I do not know which pin is the power supply. I tried 1 and 5, but it did not work. :crying: Does anyone can help me?
Link to pictures:
serwer1314328.home.pl/upload2/GU12.JPG
serwer1314328.home.pl/upload2/GU12.jpg
What's a good charger to connect to the One without putting stress on the USB port?
It might be a silly question, but I have a Samsung GS2 right now with a totally broken USB port from very frequent connection/disconnection of the charger. It *probably* won't happen on my replacement phone, but just to be on the safe side I was looking for either wireless charging or a dock of some sort, for my next device.
A lot of phones are starting to support Qi charging out of the box, but I know that can't be done on the One thanks to the metal housing. The Xperia Z series has a nice solution with (waterproof!) external contact pads that attach to a magnetic cable or desktop dock.
Does anybody make something like this for the One? Even if it has to connect through USB (and it sounds like it does...) a good dock would make sure the USB plug connects squarely to the socket and would minimize any lateral stress on the port.
Great point, I've always came close to ruining my port and ended up melting an old one (on purpose) so that it was almost a fish hook going into the port with the cable going around the back.
The only thing the iPhone got right. The charge plug that snaps in good.
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