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Touch Pro2 OR Omnia HD - Your recommendation

Hi all.
I have finally zeroed down to the TP2 vs Omnia HD and would love some feedback on the two from people who either own both or have experience.
My typical phone usage in order of priority:
* Music Playback
I currently play music on my HTC Touch with some reg tweaking and Audio Booster. Music can go loud (when the train is deafening) and has a deep punchy bass through my Sennheisser CX500 headphones.
Compared to this, the Nokia 5800 I got from TMobile Netherlands was VERY quiet. I dont know what all the reviews about it being loud get it from. Probably non Euro versions. Anyways, I returned it. Same goes for all the ipods and iphones I have plugged in. Reason why not too keen on the iphone 3Gs.
Which of the two would have better music playback through headphones. I'm looking for high volume, stereo clarity and bass. Tp2 or Omnia HD?
* Pocketability
I'm looking for one phone that I can take with me everywhere, all the time. Omnia HD would fit fine in a jeans pocket no doubt. How big of a brick is the Tp2 in real. Would it be uncomfortable lugging it around going out for a night in town? I guess this would be a deal breaker.
Can I still dorn my skinny jeans?
* Screen
I have a huge load of films that I have never seen and never get to see. Would be fab if I can run through my collection in the train on my daily commute. Now I know Omnia HD has a GORGEOUS screen. The best Im thinking. Bright, pop out colors, big and clear.
How does the Tp2 screen rate in comparison to Omnia HD. I know one gets used to what one has, but would the Omnia HD have twice the better movie watching experience? say watch a whole DVD movie for hour and half at a stretch?
* Battery
For playing music two hours a day, watching maybe an hours video, throw in email retrieval every two hours which of the two would last longer.
* Keyboard
Now I aint much of a caller or texter. Most of my communication is done online with my social lot. The HTC Touch IM experience left a lot to be desired so I stopped using it.
So knowing the Tp2 has the best keyboard, if I dont have much use of it, it wouldnt figure in my equation.
Although having the whole screen visible while typing does earn some points.
Maybe once if I get the Tp2, and start using the keyboard, I'd be doing a lot more typing replying emails and finally getting the email down on the mobile? Cant say!
* Applications
Now by far, the iphone App store has the sexiest, coolest fun apps. For everything under the sun. Android I think will get there, probably needs another year to get enough momentum from the developer community. Someone please code an Android Core video player for one!.
Winmo while having fair share of business related apps, still lags much behind when it comes to the whacky items the iphone comes home with. Ok before this gets into an apple fanboy rant..
Is my belief true, that Symbian has the least interesting catalog of (free) apps, specially the Series 60 v5 touch UI? To think one wouldnt be able to install even the Nokia Beta lab apps onto the Samsung symbian!
(Ok not right off the bat, I did see Nokia maps running on the Omnia HD)
* 3.5 jack
Omnia would have the 3.5 jack. Tp2 I can plug in a cheapo 3.5 adapter. So no biggie.
Now thats my share of the rant for the month. Thanks for bearing with me. Would totally appreciate any thoughts on the above so please hit reply.
Thanks
PS: Although there be similar threads and I did search!, thought I could better get some insight from the above specifics in one place. Thanks again.

I can only give my opinion from my ownership of the TP2 for a week. Previous to this the last smartphone I owned was an SPV e200 with WM2003.
Music Playback:
Fantastic, has plenty of base but not too much - coupled with a good pair of headphones I see no reason for a regular user to need another mp3 player. The TP2 also has a very loud and clear speakerphone (obviously important for conference calling using their 'Straight Talk' technology. The interface for the music player is nice, and all skinned using TP3d.
'Pocketability':
The TP2 is thinner than the Omnia HD I believe, but it is farly fat. Although it is not as fat as I expected, and roughly the same size as the k850i I had. It will definately show through skinny jeans, depending on how skinning you go you will struggle with any phone! I personally don't find it a problem in my pocket.
Screen:
I think the OLED on the Samsung will trump the TP2 here, the TP2 screen is great: 480x800 resolution, but will not match the brightness and contrast of the OLED screen.
Battery:
Very impressed with the battery life of the TP2, it will easily last 2 days with moderate use (web 3h, music 1, texting 30min). This is set to probably improve as others have with the wm6.5 update - so possibly looking towards 3 days on average use.
Keyboard:
If you don't want it or won't use it then its extra fat in your pocket, but I can say that it is fantastic, I picked it up not using a phone keyboard before and could instantly use it. From what I have read there aren't many keyboards if any that will beat it.
Apps:
Quite a few for WM, and will increase with the Marketplace launch.
3.5 Jack:
Mini USB to 3.5 is required which is a slight pain, but doesn't really make much of a difference for me.
Is the Omnia 2 even released yet? I advise going to a vodaphone shop and trying the TP2 and Omnia 2 when they are out, I had incredibly high hopes for the TP2 and still it surpassed them when I got it.

by chance have you come across the HTC Hero, I think this might be more appropriate for you (the screen isn't quite the high resolution or size of the others, but still good).

Heya shure2,
Thanks for your opinion. Bang on too.
Btw :
'Pocketability': The TP2 is thinner than the Omnia HD I believe, but it is farly fat. You mean Tp2 is narrower and fatter? I thought the Omnia HD was nicely thin.
Guess for the moment the main contention for me is the fatty fatty boom formfactor of the Tp2. Otherwise Im all sold. Think I need to head out to the brick and mortars and try pocketing it there. I used to have a Nokia E61/71 and althought wide it wasnt so thick. Now been with the HTC Touch and its goes around great in skinnies. Ok enough about skinny jeans!
Screen: Like I said, if its still better than good on the Tp2 one gets used to what one has. Cant have everything now.
As for the battery, yes it is impressive getting three days for all that usage.
For the keyboard, like I said, I would start using it more and more once the phone takes over all email and messaging.
HTC Hero, well first thing its Android. Still would wait a year before trying out an Android phone. Second, the screen is smaller. I am targeting my next phone to be atleast 3.5' screen.
Well the Omnia 2 is listed as coming in two weeks at a webshop here in Amsterdam.
Interestingly, if I finally get the Tp2, Id have to pay 40 euro less than the Omnia HD on a 1 year contract. Though if the Touch HD didnt have those graphics issues, wouldnt that be the phone for moi!
Thanks again dude!

What about the Diamond 2?
If you're sold on the pro 2 except for it's fatness and not really looking for a hardware keyboard, why not broaden your horizon and check out the Diamond 2? Not much more left out but the speakerphone function, I think.

But isnt the Diamond2 with a 3.2" screen?..
I do want to watch vids on a big screen. Also reading a lot of the reviews hereon, people saying the Tp2 performs a lot better than the Diamond2.

sounds like you want the Touch HD to me check out the specs
Regards, Paul

as a proud owner of both the tp2 and samsung omnia HD this is my opinion:
samsung omnia HD:
i have unbranded it to remove orange uk identity. screen is huge and very vibrant. music playback is very impressive but sound in video playback is seriously muted. camera takes amazing shots in bright light but led light not good enough for night time photos. video capture is impressive - HD 1278x720 and looks amazing on your tele through tv out. the biggest let down is the audio quality on vid playback. choppy at best but new firmware due soon with new audio codec. battery life aint the best at all maybe 1.5 days on minimal use. multimedia wise this phone hammers the tp2 but alas thats the only department it wins on. thats why these 2 phones can quite happily live together!
HTC Touch Pro2
now this is where i get accused of being a fanboy but the phone is that good. screen is smaller but on par with omnia HD on res and vibrancy. both however don't perform very well when viewed in direct sunlight. there the tp2 fairs a tad better as the omnia HD screen is not visible at all in direct sunlight even if you cup your hand round screen. tp2 has got XDA as support and that in my book is the killer blow. tf3d actually works well and well manila is what it is. we all know what winmo does and the tp2 does all of it well and takes it to another level. i am getting 2.5 to 3 days of battery depending on use even from 96% chargeD) tp2 feels good ion the hand and looks too good to be a HTC branded device. seriously HTC have outdone themselves here. must say don't like winmo 6.1 on this device as i think winmo 6.5 will bring out the devil in this device.
conclusion:
for multimedia purposes you can use the samsung omnia HD as that what symbian is all about but for overall everyday performance with adequate multimedia functions its gotta be tp2! it all depends on what aspect of the device is more important to the buyer!

Well my opinion is that go for TP2 definetly!
One thing to add, appart from what all have said is that if you go for omnia you won´t have the great support from this site!
And that fact is a super plus at least form me!

The Omnia Pro hasn't be released yet has it? I don't think this question can even be answered until people get their hands on the device. From my experience Specs mean next to nothing its all about software optimization. Look at the TP and the TP2. They both have same processing speed and i believe the same amount of RAM but the TP2 is a hell of a lot faster.

Bxsteez said:
The Omnia Pro hasn't be released yet has it? I don't think this question can even be answered until people get their hands on the device. From my experience Specs mean next to nothing its all about software optimization. Look at the TP and the TP2. They both have same processing speed and i believe the same amount of RAM but the TP2 is a hell of a lot faster.
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he's talking bout omnia HD which is available. runs s60 5th edition software

aftab.syal said:
Heya shure2,
Thanks for your opinion. Bang on too.
Btw :
'Pocketability': The TP2 is thinner than the Omnia HD I believe, but it is farly fat. You mean Tp2 is narrower and fatter? I thought the Omnia HD was nicely thin.
Guess for the moment the main contention for me is the fatty fatty boom formfactor of the Tp2. Otherwise Im all sold. Think I need to head out to the brick and mortars and try pocketing it there. I used to have a Nokia E61/71 and althought wide it wasnt so thick. Now been with the HTC Touch and its goes around great in skinnies. Ok enough about skinny jeans!
Screen: Like I said, if its still better than good on the Tp2 one gets used to what one has. Cant have everything now.
As for the battery, yes it is impressive getting three days for all that usage.
For the keyboard, like I said, I would start using it more and more once the phone takes over all email and messaging.
HTC Hero, well first thing its Android. Still would wait a year before trying out an Android phone. Second, the screen is smaller. I am targeting my next phone to be atleast 3.5' screen.
Well the Omnia 2 is listed as coming in two weeks at a webshop here in Amsterdam.
Interestingly, if I finally get the Tp2, Id have to pay 40 euro less than the Omnia HD on a 1 year contract. Though if the Touch HD didnt have those graphics issues, wouldnt that be the phone for moi!
Thanks again dude!
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The TP2 is quite thin, but for some reason in this sentance I was refering to the HTC HD :S, not sure on the width of the omnia HD. Although TP2 is a bit fatty bom batty its quite slim width wise, which is better than being wide and skinny imo.
Something that is not always brought up in reviews of the TP2 is how frigin awersome the build and aesthetics are, it looks really expensive with chrome parts and sleek lines. I would be surprised if you put them both side by side and asked a mate with no phone knowledge to pick the best one and he picked the omnia hd - it just wouldn't happen imo. Again you can only experience this when you get it in hand.
I spent £453 on this sim free - crazy for a phone I know, but concidering its a PDA, mp3 player, video player, web browser, gps device, camera and lets not forget an awesome phone, I think its worth it.
Its only going to get better as well with wm6.5 support and hopefully some cooked roms on this awesome place.

Paul_2222 said:
sounds like you want the Touch HD to me check out the specs
Regards, Paul
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Yeah actually intrinsically it does sound like the HTC HD would be the device for me except that some issue with its 3D drivers not being there at all vs the Tp2 having much better performance vid playback wise.
I only know the above from what I've read on these forums. Somehow the Tp2 plays better video than the Touch HD. What is that all about?

orb3000 said:
Well my opinion is that go for TP2 definetly!
One thing to add, appart from what all have said is that if you go for omnia you won´t have the great support from this site!
And that fact is a super plus at least form me!
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You absolutely right!. There is no hacking knowledgebase for Symbian like there will be for the Tp2!. Very valid point you making there .. Super sooper plus indeed

shure2 said:
The TP2 is quite thin, but for some reason in this sentance I was refering to the HTC HD :S, not sure on the width of the omnia HD. Although TP2 is a bit fatty bom batty its quite slim width wise, which is better than being wide and skinny imo.
Something that is not always brought up in reviews of the TP2 is how frigin awersome the build and aesthetics are, it looks really expensive with chrome parts and sleek lines. I would be surprised if you put them both side by side and asked a mate with no phone knowledge to pick the best one and he picked the omnia hd - it just wouldn't happen imo. Again you can only experience this when you get it in hand.
I spent £453 on this sim free - crazy for a phone I know, but concidering its a PDA, mp3 player, video player, web browser, gps device, camera and lets not forget an awesome phone, I think its worth it.
Its only going to get better as well with wm6.5 support and hopefully some cooked roms on this awesome place.
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Hmm.. Guess I just need to check one out in real for making my mind up. Make that swiping my card and taking one home!. Good points you make, in that deal you getting a lot of bang for your buck, if it keeps you occupied 10 hours a day or sort.. . worth it it will be I'd say!

shingers5 said:
as a proud owner of both the tp2 and samsung omnia HD this is my opinion:
samsung omnia HD:
i have unbranded it to remove orange uk identity. screen is huge and very vibrant. music playback is very impressive but sound in video playback is seriously muted. camera takes amazing shots in bright light but led light not good enough for night time photos. video capture is impressive - HD 1278x720 and looks amazing on your tele through tv out. the biggest let down is the audio quality on vid playback. choppy at best but new firmware due soon with new audio codec. battery life aint the best at all maybe 1.5 days on minimal use. multimedia wise this phone hammers the tp2 but alas thats the only department it wins on. thats why these 2 phones can quite happily live together!
HTC Touch Pro2
now this is where i get accused of being a fanboy but the phone is that good. screen is smaller but on par with omnia HD on res and vibrancy. both however don't perform very well when viewed in direct sunlight. there the tp2 fairs a tad better as the omnia HD screen is not visible at all in direct sunlight even if you cup your hand round screen. tp2 has got XDA as support and that in my book is the killer blow. tf3d actually works well and well manila is what it is. we all know what winmo does and the tp2 does all of it well and takes it to another level. i am getting 2.5 to 3 days of battery depending on use even from 96% chargeD) tp2 feels good ion the hand and looks too good to be a HTC branded device. seriously HTC have outdone themselves here. must say don't like winmo 6.1 on this device as i think winmo 6.5 will bring out the devil in this device.
conclusion:
for multimedia purposes you can use the samsung omnia HD as that what symbian is all about but for overall everyday performance with adequate multimedia functions its gotta be tp2! it all depends on what aspect of the device is more important to the buyer!
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You sum it up so well when you say everyday performance with adequate multimedia functions. I guess the top multimedia performer would be the iphone, though I havent yet had one in the flesh to certify.
The one thing that niggles me about the Omnia Hd is the Symbian OS. Software support for it seems to be rather dead. Xept for the odd twitter or facebook clients. Dont know why that would be.
The battery issue is a real winner for the Tp2 then. Imagine going on a plane trip for 15 hours and still having a phone when you land in at your destination while watching vids and perusing ur music in lounges and at gates. Important aspect for me. I have not been using my phone for data and I want to change that with my next phone.
Tomorrow going out to the shops and trying out the Tp2 for real.

Just found out that Tmobile have launched their TMobile Vario 5, which is basically the TP2 with a 4GB memory card. Wonder if they branded anything in there. My contract needs another two weeks to renewal so I just have to wait, impatiently!....
I am totally sold the Tp2 is the way to go. And again, xda-developers being there would make sure that there be a lot of future firmware changes to keep it performing by leaps and bounds. !
Cant wait to get my hands on one. Thanks all you guys who contributed. Some very relevant pointers to help this confused worrisome.
Cheers!

shingers5 said:
he's talking bout omnia HD which is available. runs s60 5th edition software
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aftab.syal said:
You sum it up so well when you say everyday performance with adequate multimedia functions. I guess the top multimedia performer would be the iphone, though I havent yet had one in the flesh to certify.
The one thing that niggles me about the Omnia Hd is the Symbian OS. Software support for it seems to be rather dead. Xept for the odd twitter or facebook clients. Dont know why that would be.
The battery issue is a real winner for the Tp2 then. Imagine going on a plane trip for 15 hours and still having a phone when you land in at your destination while watching vids and perusing ur music in lounges and at gates. Important aspect for me. I have not been using my phone for data and I want to change that with my next phone.
Tomorrow going out to the shops and trying out the Tp2 for real.
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to be honest iphone 3g aint as you still restricted as to what you can use on there. no opera or flash or skyfire etc. UI and touch is amazing barr none the best out there. the others are catching up and tp2 is proof of that! iphone battery aint the best either mate and the current restrictions to one service provider means you need iphone devs ultrasn0w to free your iphone 3g up! iphone does what it does very well - the apps available are immense but limited to apple if ya get ma drift. everything runs through apple servers which is worrying to say the leaset! symbian os support is out there on sites like mobiles24 and mobilecastle........told you i was phone mad! these sites however are nothing like XDA so tp2 wins hands down!

Is this phone worth it?

So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.

Welcome to forums
Of course it´s worth every cent!
Redundant if we post here pros and cons
Better read and search!!
Good luck,

I paid $688.88 for my unlocked/unbranded version a couple months back and I have no regrets.

Paid $525 and I can't put it down! Worth every cent and thank god I made the switch and left the Blackberry world. I will not lie, I did hesitate to leave my Blackberry 8900 even after tracking the TP2 for like a month. Blackberry has nothing on HTC TP2.

I guess imma just shut up and get it haha. sorry for not using the search function. just got really curious

Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.

paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.

AlCapone said:
paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.
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wouldn't go that far but it is a great phone.
Saying that, like with every device I'd think seriously about what you want your phone to do.
I wanted a web browsing, business phone communicator. Its close to perfect.
If you're looking for a slim camera music player etc.? Stay well away.

Shasarak said:
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts)
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Never say never
Especially the second one is a software only solution, since the Nokia 5800 also has a resistive touch screen.
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/9051_Multi-touch_on_resistive_touch.php
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/03/03/nokia-5800-gets-experimental-multitouch/

ryohazuki said:
So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.
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I moved to this phone from a G1 (and an iPhone before that) on tmobile, and IMHO this is the best phone available with tmobile 3G right now. Fast, stable, and with WM you have tons of options for customizing/personalizing your handset. So far (had it about a week) i really see no cons with this device, if anything it'd be its size, but its not a complaint by me, its the same size as a G1.

Shasarak said:
Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.
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dunno if this is considered reviving a dead thread or anything thats my own but
the size isn't a problem for me, i've owned a windows mobile phone before and liked it but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?

I'm pleased with mine. Basically I had an MDA for almost 3 and a half years, with a short try of a Wing. Great winmobile phone, haven't had too much battery problems, phone quality seems ok, better than the MDA.
And the phone senses when it's close to your ear--no more false button pushes!
Cheers,
Tom

ryohazuki said:
but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?
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The t-mobile version is rather oddly configured. Most of what's wrong with it can be corrected (all in one hit if you don't mind flashing it with a different ROM) but it's a little fiddly. For example, the in-call volume seems to be lower on the t-mobile version - people complain that the sound is too quiet and "muffled". I believe this can be fixed by replacing a file with the equivalent from an unbranded phone, but it's still a fiddle if you expect things to work properly out of the box. I think the t-mobile version may also be set up to use Internet Explorer rather than Opera as the default browser. Again, it's not difficult to change this, it's just annoying.
The battery life is okay, but not great. If you're watching video clips or gaming you can completely drain a fully-charged battery in 3-4 hours.
Btw, one important draw-back that I forgot to mention is the lack of a D-pad - that's a real problem if you're a gamer.

General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum

i have the original EU version of this device and i must say that this is the best phone i used ever , and believe me i switch mobiles like socks ...
the most important thing for me is the stability of the OS , in my case i havnt done any soft reset since i got this device three weeks ago ( depens on your ROM version ect...)
another good thing is the speaker phone , try to compare it to the iphone 3gs and you will notice a big diffrence,

schizo said:
General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum
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I would consider myself a wm vet, this is my 4rth wm phone and the TP2 if I purchase it will be my 5th. I can hardly run my TP at times because it is so slow. I have everything on my class 6 sd and some apps on my phone which is minimal. I am running nrg rom latest and I must say it is slow as balls.
I might even skip the tp2 because it shares the same chipset for att as the tp. Making it slow as balls but with a much larger screen. My favorite warez website just opened an Iphone section. all apps available, Gui much better, mms hacked, better graphics, shes lookin alot better these days. The tp2 just aint cuttin it as far as performance. I might just make the switch until HTC and winmo get there act together. Truely sad as I've been an iphone and apple hater for quite sometime. The truth is the tp2 lacks everything except the screen and keyboard. Winmo and htc are pushing me out with these piece of **** phones.
eh I might still get the tp2. I am seriously looking for reasons not to get the Icrap. Flame on aholes..

Well I've had the T-mobile version for about a month now and I have to say its pure Winsuace!!! Now as for the same chip set as the touch pro , that's not exactly ture. If you look around on the fourms, some one posted a link about where there was a dispute between Qulacom and another chipmaker about the cpu. So because of that the Touch Pros cpu contained some work arounds so it could be used and that made it slower. On the TP2 it contains no workarounds and its pretty snappy! Also I run a bunch of apps at once and it doesn't bog down So here's my two thumbs up!!!

i really dont see nothing wrong wit the tmo version of this phone.. besides the lack of 3.5mm jack and color change from the Euro version..
But the stock rom that comes with the phone is a bit off.. i had to flash it the first day i got it
but i wouldn't mind taking a euro version over the tmo one anyday.. one major reason that stop me from gettng the euro one is that it do not have 3G US bands on it.

Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.

Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.

Iphone 3gs vs htc desire..

The thread its all about.
I love my 3gs, mainly because its huge amount of 3d quality games, instruments, prank apps and other apps.
But the desire aint expensive and i can trade it for my iphone.
Its a real hard choice. The desire has a superb screen, but the iphone is more smooth and offers more games.
What would you do and why?
And are there already some quality 3d games for android?

About 3 months ago I bought an iPhone 3gs, mainly because of boredom.
3 days ago I received my Desire as a free upgrade.
The iPhone is a fantastic unit, but I'm bored with it already. I feel tied in. I can't mod it how I'd like to, and tbh it isn't worth the price.
The Desire has captivated me, frustrated me, but engaged me more than the iPhone did.
Ebay is about to get another iPhone for sale.

Why has the desire frustrated you?
I switched from the HD2 (nightmare) and i havent found a single thing wrong with the phone - i actually love it
in answer to your question you seem more concerned about apps rather than the actual phone so i think you should stick with your 3gs, i mean the android marketplace has many apps, but not really like pranks apps and stuff
if you want an overall all round great phone id definitely recommend the desire!

How is the graphic performance of the Desire compared to the iPhone 3GS? Because the 3GS has a dedicated graphics chip (powerVR SGX) where the Desire only has its 1Ghz Snapdragon. I'd like to play some 3D games on it aswel.

I think you'll get a biased opinion here... but I've had a couple of less zealous iPhone owners who've had a play with my phone concede that they actually quite like the Desire and they might even prefer to have one*. I've not bothered with any 3D games so I couldn't comment on that, but there seems to be plenty of games in the Market.
* Steve Jobs's flying monkeys will no doubt be on to them already.

Having moved from winmob to Android, I can honestly say the HTC Desire is simply an amazing phone. Android is such a breeze and it just works, no more lag or soft reset.
You have to remember the Android market is still very young, so it will grow in time.
The best 3D game I have been playing is 'Raging Thunder II - Lite edition', it is a racing game which you control by using the accelometer, best thing is it is free!

Technically the Snapdragon in the Desire is more powerful when it comes to 3D gaming but due to the higher res screen the performance ends up being more or less the same. At the moment the iPhone has a very slight lead in 3D performance but when FroYo is released and OpenGL2 is put out for the Desire we can see a big improvement.

Very simple, if you want a massive range of apps, that are of good quality, including good games etc, then go iPhone hands down. If you prefer to tinker with your phone, flash roms, adjust the looks etc, go android. Coming from both winmo and iphone, there are many apps I sorely miss that were on the iPhone that I can't get on the desire, BUT there are many things I can do with the desire that I had no chance of doing on the iPhone (eg. downloading rss feeds including videos and audio files from the phone). I also feel a lot better not having to rely on iTunes for transferring files etc. It was a nightmare for me when I didn't have access to MY computer, therefore I could not transfer files to it....

Apple do absolutely nothing for me, I wouldn't notice if they were not there.

I had a iphone and a hd2 both of which got listed on ebay within a few days of me receiving my desire. iPhone had more apps but bring on android 2.5 and the app emulator

cgrec92 said:
Why has the desire frustrated you?
I switched from the HD2 (nightmare) and i havent found a single thing wrong with the phone - i actually love it
in answer to your question you seem more concerned about apps rather than the actual phone so i think you should stick with your 3gs, i mean the android marketplace has many apps, but not really like pranks apps and stuff
if you want an overall all round great phone id definitely recommend the desire!
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Same here, my HD2 has just come back from HTC as a referb due to ongoing issues with the screen. All replaced and the HD2 is now fine but its on Ebay. I think the desire is totally what I wanted the HD2 to be. As for the Iphone I borrowed a mate's for a few days as I was going to get one. He told me to try it first. I loved it but got bored quick, yes its lovely to look at, IE the build quality. But it still has faults, IE still needs to be rebooted from time to time. Things such as trying to use MP3's as a ringtone, whilst its possible to convert or buy from Apple. The Android isnt a direct replacement yet, but I have a feeling Android will get there as more developers join. For me I wanted something different to what everyone else has got, the Iphone is just following the herd.

Is the Desire actually any good?

I have been looking to replace my iPhone 32GB 3GS with a Desire but the more I read about the Desire on this and other forums the more it looks like a bad idea due to some very iffy limitations / flaws / bugs.
So has any one made this particular leap and if so how do you find the Desire compares to the iPhone and will I find I can be disappointed for a lot less than £400!
All comments welcome.
Cheers
S

Nah...it's rubbish. Don't bother...
But really...what did you think you would read in a forum? Here's one for you, go check out the iPhone help and support forum and come let me know how many postal are morning but praise and support.
Which particular "limitations" are putting you off, and if you've invested money on apps and media, why don't you just wait in the 4th iPhone?

I have just come from the HTC HD2 (very popular/top of the range etc) to the HTC Desire and must say the Desire is 1000x better.
Not one flaw at all, I come to this website as a matter of habbit as I actually have no issues whatsoever, in fact is surprises me how many problems people here are experiencing.
10/10 from me, I can see why this has been voted the number one phone in the world.\
I agree though if you can wait, it is very likely that the new iPhone will be the No.1 phone on the market, again.

can't compare most forums with one as xda which is a tad more technical and nitpicking. Regarding limitations you surely have a lot less than the iPhone. at the moment I can't say I find any major flaws and very few minor ones

My wife is having Iphone and this is my first android phone. I had more than 10 different WM phones. Never wanted to have anything else. Now I have Desire, and to be honest this phone is 10 light years ahead of any wm phone.
Closest thing to it is Iphone, but number of apps available for Desire is amazing.
Biggest selling point is of course social network integration, similar to Palm's Pre phone.
Also from me 10/10
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The Desire is the best phone I've owned (comparing it to the Nokia E61, HTC TyTN, HTC Touch HD, Samsung Omnia i900, Samsung Omnia HD i8910, SE Satio and some others I've forgotten).
The fact that you see so many comments here complaining about this and that is evidence to the fact that this phone has experienced massive sales and there's a good mix of experienced and unexperienced smartphone (and Android) users. It also means that people are being honest about their experiences by not sticking their heads in the sand, and the critical approach will lead to improvements, both from HTC and from the user community.
Look at the pace of posts here, too. Compare it with the pace in the X10 section. The sheer activity here is in itself one of the huge advantages of the phone.
For me, the biggest upsides of the Desire are the speed and Sense. The only things I'm reserving judgement for is the quality of the photos (after all, I'm coming from the Samsung i8910 with an excellent camera) and the lack of call recording (which is an Android 2.1 issue not limited to the Desire, but also hopefully something that will be sorted either in future Android versions or beforehand). Otherwise, this thing is the closest I've ever seen to an all-around excellent smartphone.

I have owned tens of devices, a lot of htc, nokia, blackberry, motorola (including milestone), couldn't bear to be an iphone owner but the Desire is pretty awesome. Best phone i've had to date bar none.

Quist said:
The Desire is the best phone I've owned (comparing it to the Nokia E61, HTC TyTN, HTC Touch HD, Samsung Omnia i900, Samsung Omnia HD i8910, SE Satio and some others I've forgotten).
The fact that you see so many comments here complaining about this and that is evidence to the fact that this phone has experienced massive sales and there's a good mix of experienced and unexperienced smartphone (and Android) users. It also means that people are being honest about their experiences by not sticking their heads in the sand, and the critical approach will lead to improvements, both from HTC and from the user community.
Look at the pace of posts here, too. Compare it with the pace in the X10 section. The sheer activity here is in itself one of the huge advantages of the phone.
For me, the biggest upsides of the Desire are the speed and Sense. The only things I'm reserving judgement for is the quality of the photos (after all, I'm coming from the Samsung i8910 with an excellent camera) and the lack of call recording (which is an Android 2.1 issue not limited to the Desire, but also hopefully something that will be sorted either in future Android versions or beforehand). Otherwise, this thing is the closest I've ever seen to an all-around excellent smartphone.
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This very informative reply has defiently made me have the desire next.
After watching all the comparason vids on YouTube, ie - HD2 vs htc desire, and others.
Reading all the tech specs on both devices, Reading all the topics on the subforums here and over on the HD2 threads.
I can now see the desire is a very cool piece of kit.
I look forward to owning one.

I think it is excellent
I have my desire for 3 days now and it is excellent however...... mine came on Orange contract and it was crippled with Orange junk from the start. After a complete weekend of fiddling about and altering settings I still couldn't get onto my wifi router. Google Talk was missing and other Orange imposed glitched. I have now installed a different unbranded rom (details elsewhere in this forum) and everything is working exeptionally well, smooth, fast, brilliant.
No stylus required and no more little X's to click.

Thanks guys,
I've bitten the bullet and ordered it today seeing as it's payday.
Will be back for more info soon no doubt!
Thanks
S

I have also iPhone 3GS, and what I can say is generally Desire is better than iPhone 3GS, at least for me.
iPhone is still better for multimedia player, mostly due to the quality of the speaker. Also, in term of stability, iPhone is a little bit better than Desire with stock ROM. But for other things, I prefer Desire, and I'll be patiently waiting for the "better" ROM for this pretty thing.
btw... if you came from 3GS, you might be a little disappointed with Desire's speaker quality.

You have understand that most people come to the forum and post are usually the one that has the problem. The one that has no problem using the device doesn't even bother coming on.

Heya, I own and still own a iphone 3GS 32GB.
I've had the Desire for around 2 weeks now.
I have been waying up which device I should keep as they are both great devices.
In terms of speed, I can't really see much difference between the 3GS and Desire. Maybe the Desire is slightly faster.
The screen on the Desire however, is way better than the 3GS. The black on the Desire is real black. If you compare the colours from Desire to 3GS the Desire will win every time.
The interface on the Desire wins hands down compared to the 3GS. Iphone interface is plain boring now.
It's the media player quality where I am stuck. On my iphone, every single song has album art (1400+ songs) yet on the Desire only around 60% of tracks have album art. I know how to fix it but it's a painstaking task which I don't really have the time to do..
I also wish the Desire would list the Alphabet in each list in the media player so you can just click on a letter rather than having to first scroll a little bit and then touch the slider.
The Desire sound quality is good providing you are using decent headphones. If it was louder, I'm sure it could complete with headphones to the iphone. However the loud speaker is crap. Not much more can said about that. That isn't a deal breaker for me.
Apps, face it apple has heaps and heaps (alot are crap). But for me, volume isn't the issue. It's quality. I'm sure though give it time and the apps on the android market will get better so this isn't a huge issue either.
I'm going to wait until I can re-jail break my iphone and until the Desire is 'rooted' so I can can get the best out of both devices and then make a decision.

For album art - try the '3' music player from the market.. its pretty neat and will cycle through your albums and download album art for them..
very handy feature.. i dont think it embeds the art in the ID3 tags.. but it displays the art fine..
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Heya, I own and still own a iphone 3GS 32GB.
I've had the Desire for around 2 weeks now.
I have been waying up which device I should keep as they are both great devices.
In terms of speed, I can't really see much difference between the 3GS and Desire. Maybe the Desire is slightly faster.
The screen on the Desire however, is way better than the 3GS. The black on the Desire is real black. If you compare the colours from Desire to 3GS the Desire will win every time.
The interface on the Desire wins hands down compared to the 3GS. Iphone interface is plain boring now.
It's the media player quality where I am stuck. On my iphone, every single song has album art (1400+ songs) yet on the Desire only around 60% if tracks have album art. I know how to fix it but it's a painstaking task which I don't really have the time to do..
I also wish the Desire would list the Alphabet in each list in the media player so you can just click on a letter rather than having to first scroll a little bit and then touch the slider.
The Desire sound quality is good providing you are using decent headphones. If it was louder, I'm sure it could complete with headphones to the iphone. However the loud speaker is crap. Not much more can said about that. That isn't a deal breaker for me.
Apps, face it apple has heaps and heaps (alot are crap). But for me, volume isn't the issue. It's quality. I'm sure though give it time and the apps on the android market will get better so this isn't a huge issue either.
I'm going to wait until I can re-jail break my iphone and until the Desire is 'rooted' so I can can get the best out of both devices and then make a decision.
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WP7 owners, love it, hate it, or ...

Unlike those of us in the US, others can buy Win Phone 7 devices. So what do you think?

I have not tested it yet as mine is arriving shortly.
I think that it does look good and that Microsoft has the right idea.
The only issues that I can see with it is the SDK limitations and the general os limitations.

i love it, it has it's limitation but it will get better.

Used an HD7 for about 30 minutes in the T-Mobile store here. Smooth like butter, and it has 16GB storage.
I'm definitely leaning towards getting one.
Finally an OS that performs like one should on this hardware. Can't even imagine what performance will be like on next-gen hardware.

Up until 28th November I was an Android Fanboy - G1 when it was launched, Desire as an Upgrade.
I now actually prefer Wp7 to Android and love the fact I went and bought a HD7. My desire is now untouched, I put it on Ebay

i just played a bit with one at a t-mobile store... (htc mozart)
very smooth handling in every condition
i dont like pinch to zoom in any browser i used before (opera, safari, whatever android has...) but i like it in wp7 very much
but then there are the known limitations and some of them i realy dislike...
if there was a way to use wp7 device as mass storage my decision would be clear pro wp7...

Had it for 3 days, love it.
Blazingly fast and super solid - yes a few things are unavailable at the moment but its only been out for a matter of days.
Genuinely excited for the future of this OS.

Thanks for the replies. Sounds great. I was hoping to move away from AT&T but, if the WP7 devices are good maybe I will stay with them.
BTW, does anyone have a standalone Zune and care to compare the functionality of the WP7? I have a Zune 80 and love the Zune Marketplace and Zune client.

Love it as well. I miss the the messaging apps available on iOS and Android and some apps are a bit slow to launch, but it is a polished OS especially for a 1.0 with a lot of attention to detail taken on it. In a way it makes Android look like a toy, Aesthetics wise, and it is much smoother natively.

agreed with the ones above, had my HTC Trophy for over 2 days now and i'm really liking it. I see the Trophy as the base model for all Windows Phones. There is no stand out feature in this phone at all, it's all minimum spec, but it works... exceptionally! Games are a little slow on loading, but that's ok, the gameplay itself is fine. This limitation is due to the use of microSD (which you'll probably see in the other HTC phones). But I don't plan on voiding my warranty, and my carrier throws an extra year on top, so i have 2 years warranty. I don't use it for music all that much as i'm more of a radio listener... and let me tell you, when i fired up the radio for the first time this morning... man was it a really nicely designed radio. Simple, only get a bar with the radio frequency on top, and you just scroll left/right, and find the frequency you want. Favourite it, and done. SO NICE!

hmm looks like im really gonna have to get this lol

all good comments.. i suppose to have my HD7 with me right now but my friend could not pick it up in singapore for me... now i have to wait till dec 1st as i cant make it to SG till then..

I LOVE IT. its that simple. There is a few very tiny glitches but i had that with android blackberry and sare i say it ios as well. I do have a couple of poiunts for a few people that moan about some missing features though.
Mass storage - why oh why would you want to use your phone for this i don't get it? the memory inside is for the phone not your pc. Get a memory stick they cost about £20 and will sit on your keyring they are faster and easier to use.
Flash - this is coming very soon adobe and Microsoft have confirmed this.
Copy paste - as above (i suspect the January update for both though flash may come as its own download)
Multitasking - just a battery drain and all the main features do this anyway, the phone is quick at swapping between apps. I don't get why you would want to multi-task beyond what it already does if anyone can give me a good example i will retract that but so far its just "cos we like it that we can" i personally prefer a battery that lasts unlike the desire.
removable storage - once again why would you want this? I have an idea don't buy a load of small cards just get one good one. You can argue that the on board amounts given at launch are poor (i to stated this) BUT, America will get the focus this can be upgraded so to can the dell. The HD7 can be also if you don't mind getting under the back cover. I suspect as with the hd7 we will find others. So there are options even for the most data intensive. Your phone is not a memory stick people.
I personally think wp7 has it right esp for a brand new os that has not even had, dare i call the January update this, service pack 1. I don't like to say i will never touch things again because the world is constantly changing but i will say for now i am so glad i sold my desire and got a hd7 it beats anything else hands down.

I just realized i was so busy fending the so called downsides i forgot to look at why wp7 is the best.
Xbox live - this is so good it makes my nuts tingle though it was a lil slow at first once it has had chance to sync everything up it is amazing. I can see all my avatar stuff in 3d i can see my mates avatars in 3d i can compare gamer scores, i can earn achievements on games i can send messages to my live friends and see what they are doing. Basically all the same stuff i can do on my xbox but on a phone. Plus they will soon have multilayer games not just turn by turn and intergration into actual xbox games.
Zune - By far and away the best music/media experience you can get. Makes iphone look old and rubbish. I have loved Zune since i got my zune hd imported last year. Zune software is easier to use then itunes. It is far better at managing your media and is so good at getting the track data. Plus unlike itunes if it cant find it automatically you can just find it yourself easy as and make sure all the tracks have the right names with a no fuss at all. Put it this way my itunes on my mac has about 80% of the right art my zune has 100% (and for about 8 months i had to use the mac as my main pc due to frying my motherboard so it is nothing to do with me not careing about getting it sorted).
Hubs/live tile - just genius i hardly use my facebook app as i don't need to my friends are asy to contact and find and my pictures are all in one place. Yeah you can collect data together on android but until you have used a wp7, and i do say if your unsure go to the store and play, its hard to explain why its so much better but it just is. updates are right there on the home screen and even the lock screen.
Speed/transactions - This is a zippy os everything is smooth and looks sexy, this isnt a big point for many people i know but, there is no better feeling then when showing someone an email or a text or anything on your phone and it flys there but at the same time looks like something from minority report.

The phone is fantastic. The system is very smooth! The zune feature wit zune pass is great. One thing though, notification sounds for txt and email are very, very quiet (HD7). I can hardly hear them

robart76 said:
The phone is fantastic. The system is very smooth! The zune feature wit zune pass is great. One thing though, notification sounds for txt and email are very, very quiet (HD7). I can hardly hear them
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have you updated the audio controller from htc as it may be coincidence but i thought it was quieter before i did that.

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Multitasking - just a battery drain and all the main features do this anyway, the phone is quick at swapping between apps. I don't get why you would want to multi-task beyond what it already does if anyone can give me a good example i will retract that but so far its just "cos we like it that we can" i personally prefer a battery that lasts unlike the desire.
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I disagree. There are cases where multitasking would help, one area would be instant messaging. Also, I have looked at most reviews out there and battery life is on par with similarly specced Android devices. For example, the HD7 vs. EVO/Desire HD. Even my developer WP7 devices battery lasts around the same time as my Captivate.
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There is no denying the fact that multitasking would help in many cases. I am glad that MS never said they wouldn't allow 3rd party aps to multitask. I am sure it's already in development... may be being tested as we speak

Went from HTC to Samsung Focus, so far i do love the smoothness and speed. Active tiles are a huge plus and can see where this can be beneficial in various ways. Only 'major' things needed is tethering or turning the phone into a WiFi Hotspot (and would like bluetooth rSAP support).

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I disagree. There are cases where multitasking would help, one area would be instant messaging. Also, I have looked at most reviews out there and battery life is on par with similarly specced Android devices. For example, the HD7 vs. EVO/Desire HD. Even my developer WP7 devices battery lasts around the same time as my Captivate.
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You're wrong.
With Push Messaging, you get you IMs without the app even running. Multitasking IM applications is a huge waste of battery.
Do you even have a clue what you're talking about?
Also, the HD7 has a weak battery in it. It's around 1230 mAh, IIRC. Most decent phones have 1500 mAh batteries in them. Check that before you make a comparison. Also, use patterns on the two phones may not be identical. It's almost impossible to conduct a decent test for battery life outside of a controlled environment.