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dopod 818/HTC prophet compatible with Tomtom 5 (5.2)?

Dear All,
In common with many of you (I'm sure), I am struggling with the choice between a Prophet and the Atom (or wait for the Hermes...?)
Pros:
camera (have seen great pictures from prophet)
wireless G
Quad band (not essential but nice to have)
Bluetooth 2
SD (currently 2 gig ultra, don't want to have to buy another one!)
Cons
No FM Radio
no flash (not fussed really)
Question over the Processor speed.
The big question, however, is whether either system will run TomTom 5 (or 5.2). This is the real go/no go app for me, and I would greatly appreciate anyone who has used either handset and can let me know whether they can run TomTom.
Many thanks in advance for your advice.

message from Qtek UK
just got this from Qtek UK:
Hi,
Yes we believe that Hermes will be released in q1 2006.
No full spec yet, best guess is as 9100 + extra features.
? The HTC Hermes phone has the following features:
? UMTS, EDGE, GPRS, GSM Quadband
? Display resolution of 320 by 240 - QVGA
? Bluetooth support
? Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g
? 416Mhz Intel XScale Processor
? 2.1 Megapixel Camera
? QWERTY keyboard

WM5 HTC Voyager

Is it possible to make a WM5 rom for HTC Voyager / O2 Xphone? HTC Voyager is still abundant here in the Philippines and others are wondering if it is capable to have a WM5 rom. Since no one here in the Philippines can make a rom, I brought it up here where there are lots of person who can make one.
Thanks

Here are some of the main features of the HTC Voyager. Please add more fun features that you've used.
Operating System
Windows Mobile 2003
Distributors
Orange SPV E200, O2 Xphone, Smart Amazing Phone 2, Dopod 515/535, I-Mate Smartphone 2, Qtek 8080,
Processor
Ti OMAP 710 132mhz
Memory
64MB Flash ROM 32MB SDRAM
Display
176x220 64k Colours
Design Type
Candybar
Frequency
Tri-band GSM 900, 1800, 1900
Wi-Fi
No
Bluetooth®
Yes
Email
POP3, Browser Based
Battery
Li-ion 1000 mAh
Speakerphone
Yes
Internet
GPRS, WAP
Built-in Camera
VGA 640x480, Video 352x288
Caller ID
Yes
Audio
WAV, MIDI - Polyphonic, MP3, WMA
Video
WMV, 3GP, AVI
IRDA
Yes
Expansion
SD/MMC
Dimensions
120.4 x 50.1 x 24.4 mm
Weight
130g
Messaging
SMS, E-mail, MMS
Thanks in advance

anyone?
anyone?.........

Technically I think its possible since motorola mpx200 has the the same specifics(?) and DOES have wm5 upgrade.

vlodeck said:
Technically I think its possible since motorola mpx200 has the the same specifics(?) and DOES have wm5 upgrade.
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if it's possible, i hope someout out there wouldn't mind to make a rom....it would be greatly appreciated by filipinos

My guess - its too late. This model is not popular around here

I know this is a old thread. But..
Ive been looking around for a small smartphone that could be used to play my music and be used with my bluetooth headphones. Im using the blue angel at the moment and it works superb (except the ablity to use sdhc cards). But its just too big and im always worried if i crack the screen plus it looks pretty nerdy..
So i saw this phone.. Which is excazly what im after. (Which i might add is the only phone that has bluetooth and supports a sd cards).
But i see no one has made any upgrades for it?
Well ill just put it out there that if someone can make this phone to enable a2dp bluetooth profile and support sdhc sd cards (having windows mobile 5+ would be a bonus). Id have to say that this phone with an extended battery would be one of the best phones on the market today.
Ive just started doing a three year programming course at the moment. So if no one else is willing to program a rom. Then hopefully soon ill learn how to develop me own one

WM5 vs WM6 speed on blue angel

Just like the title means... i have a killer question
My little brother has a Cingular 8125, here are the aspects:
(WM5)
cpu : OMAP8590
speed : 195 mghz
ram: 64 MB
flash size: 128 MB
flash chip type: m-systems
bus: 16 bits
Storage size: 42 MB
mine are on a O2 xda iis (blue angel)
(WM6)
cpu: intel (r) PXA263
speed: 400 mghz
ram size 128 MB
flash size 32 MB
flash chip type: 28F128K3
bus: 32 bits
Storage size: 60 MB
both with 230 x 320 lcd screens with 65536 colors.
I just have moved (after reading A LOT!) to windows mobile 6.... i grab his pda just to compare, and he has A LOT of speed than mine
It's because of the rom that i had installed? (it's the one with the sticky on the threads on WM6 around the corner in here)
or because the WM edition itself
In advanced, thanxs, its a big big thing because if i am right, i had at least the double that he has, so, all of this is not right... right????

I think you will find that some of it is the rom. The blue Angel was originally as you know released with WM2003 if not WM2003SE
which was optimised by both the manufacture and the carrier of the network. These roms are made by very experienced rom cookers/developers but they are working withexisting material not rewriting code from scratch.
Also I've even noticed that my BA slowed down it's boot up time substantially from wm2003se now that it's running wm6. as well some things appear to take a bit longer. your relative's rom is likely to be the original unchanged rom and is optimised for the device it's loaded on. there are tweaks to help with the diffrence even then. but just like pc's the newer is not always faster on the same hardware.

The main problem with Blue Angel is it's very slow flash memory. Even it's own SD slot with today's cards is a lot faster. On WM2003/SE that wasn't a problem because of flash memory was used only for backup purposes while in WM5/6 the whole system runs from it.
BTW: I think there exist original WM5 ROM for Blue Angel which was made by HTC for one of the operators (who leaked it) and it is therefore optimised greatly.

That's odd, the bootup did takes sometime but the overall is certainly great even testing it with WM5. Is it just me or everyone else ? So far, I kinda like it, the loading speed from SD card somehow it's slowed down for some unknown reasons but overall it works great.
Maybe we should give Helmi & Xplode sometime to find a way to optimise the WM6, I believe they can do it, after all they are the genius who made and cooked the WM6 rom.

Couple things here. First, many think that the TI OMAP in Wizard is slower than the XScale in Blue Angel. It's not... that's simply the Megahertz Myth™
Note: The Megahertz Myth is a registered trademark of Apple.
Anyways, the Wizard is a faster, more modern device, that has been optimized for Windows Mobile 5.
The HTC drivers that were used for WM5/WM6 on Blue Angel are very poor quality... they were never meant to have the OS store files in ROM, rather than in RAM. In short, HTC never optimized the drivers Blue Angel for WM5/WM6, which is why it runs slower.
As experienced as helmi_c, xplode, and others are at this, HTC still holds the keys to their drivers, and the amount of modification anyone outside of HTC can do to them is limited.

HTC should free up BA drivers for editing.
If they discontinued BA and do not give support, then give the tools to the costumers so that we can finish their work.
BA as great hardware it only needs good drivers, because Windows Mobile is handeled great by xda-developers team!

i dont believe htc write most the drivers
most of them would be included in the oem stuff they get
like the screen or bluetooth chip and the likes
in which case they could get in trouble if they did
even if they had access to the sourcecode of the drivers
they might not

Of course Wizard is faster for most tasks. It is because of it's all-in-one design. But when comparing the CPUs RAW power, the Blue Angel is even stronger than contemporary devices like Hermes. This is however visible only when using heavy games or multitasking so it is not a major advantage for most of us. BTW: The OMAP CPU used in many devices today was not originaly made for WM5, it was first used on Smarthpone platform back in 2003 days. Even old Motorola MPx200 (Smartphone 2002) has OMAP with very similiar design to OMAP 850 in Wizard.
In WM5/WM6 for Blue Angel the slow flash memory is compensated by using more paging memory then in other devices. This is why the device seems to respond quickly but it is not perfect.
Personally, I would prefer having Wizard over Blue Angel because of it's more power efficient design. But it has poor ergonomics and one-handed navigation / text entry is impossible. Therefore I have chosen Blue Angel.
HTC releaing scources to their drivers? That is only a dream. And I think the license agreements with makers of parts do not allow this.

I bet if someone were to get friendly with a person working at HTC, We could get some BA stuff from them. It's not like they stand to lose a bunch of $ for it.

Some thing to clear about BlueAngel

I have planned to buy O2 XDA IIs from my frnd (2nd hand for sure)
Does it comes under the name, blueangel???
also please tell me pros and cons about this dmobile device
I already own O2 xda exec, typhoon and voyager
what about this one???
cud U, experienced users please guide me....am i gonna upgrade its rom to WM6 or not??

It's a great device, you won't make a mistake It has Intel PXA263 400mhz processor (This is the only thing i don't like in blueangel. It is not so fast. If you plan to play 3d games it is not very good for this. But you can easily overclock it with pocket master to 530mhz. With this frequency it handles everything without Snow Rally - there's a little lag and you can't play Playstation 1 games even if you overclock it to 590. I got 21-23fps in Tony Hawk Pro Skater with @530mhz and Frameskip - 2), 128 ram (This is great! With so much ram you don't need real close button.But there are no applications that wants more than 32 ram, so this is not a big advantage), Big screen and the best design for games(The screen is perfect. It wouldn't be bad if there was VGA screen but QVGA is not so bad either. In web browsing the qvga resolution is a big dissadvantage. You have to scrool a lot. But now there are browsers now that supports Zoom function.With it the browsing is good even on qvga device. When Opera 9.5 comes out it will rock And the design is great for games. It's like joystick when you handle it in landscape position and there are many buttons), 64mb Flash Storage(It's not much but you don't need more. There are SD Cards for that), SD/MMC expansion slot( The bad thing here is that it doesn't support SDHC, there are no drivers for that and there won't be in future ), CIF camera (It is really badd. The image quality is similar. If you try to record video it lags. I don't know why :/ It does it wven in the lowest quality), WiFi( No problems here), Bluetooth (No problems here either), IrDA( It can't be used as a remote controller because the irda range is around 3 meters)
And finally the PocketPC comes with WM2003. You can install WM6.1 but I recommend you to wait for explode's WM6.1. His roms are the best With the new windows the pocket becmoes really fast and stable. That's all, it's a great device

dark_prince said:
I have planned to buy O2 XDA IIs from my frnd (2nd hand for sure)
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Nice choice. I recently picked up a hermes and while it is very nice, there are some things I miss from the Angel.
dark_prince said:
Does it comes under the name, blueangel???
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I don't quite understand this question. If you are asking if it was sold under the name of Blue Angel, no. Blue Angel is the HTC internal name for the phone. It was never sold by HTC directly, but to the various cell carriers who rebadged it with their own plastics and ROM/applications.
dark_prince said:
also please tell me pros and cons about this dmobile device
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Pros:
Good CPU speed (the keiser runs at the same speed, 400 mhz)
The CPU has been around for a while, so 3rd party apps that are designed for the CPU work well.
Good physical size on the screen
Lots of storage and program memory when the extended ROM is resized/removed.
Cons:
Since it is an older platform, any MW version after 2003 is a hack. The drivers are generally ported from other phones and there are various bugs that will probably never be fixed due to a lack of hardware drivers. Everything does work, there are just various quirks.
Radio range (bluetooth, wifi, etc) are not the best. Heck, they often tend to be down right crappy.
Unless someone is able to write and release a SDHC driver for the card slot, it will never support SDHC cards, which will limit the phone to 4 gig cards. 2 gig is the official spec for SD, but there are a few 4 gig non-SDHC cards out there.
dark_prince said:
I already own O2 xda exec, typhoon and voyager
what about this one???
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I still like mine and plan on passing it to my wife or using it for testing and development if she doesn't want it.
dark_prince said:
cud U, experienced users please guide me....am i gonna upgrade its rom to WM6 or not??
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I would. MW6 is a huge improvement over 2003 and 5. The latest ROM builds out there work very well, if not 99% perfectly, and are fast.
In my opinion, Hemli releasing wm6 for the angel breathed new life into the device.
Really, I wish HTC would revive the device, make an updated version of it. The form factor, while is a bit big for a phone, is great for usability as a PDA.

jdc said:
In my opinion, Hemli releasing wm6 for the angel breathed new life into the device.
Really, I wish HTC would revive the device, make an updated version of it. The form factor, while is a bit big for a phone, is great for usability as a PDA.
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I second that! Just ditched my Hermes for my old trusty Blue Angel, which blows the pants off it! I forgot how much I loved the 3.5 inch screen!

Rookie as well with the Blue Angel
I am getting started with the Blue angel as well (O2 Xda IIs)
I like it a lot this will probably become my best buddy during my travels
I got a couple of complementary questions about it.
I intend to use it for business purposes, mainly Internet through
Wifi and GPRS, pdf and offices documents.
I saw on this forum that you advise to change from WM 2003SE to Windows Mobile 6 (the last published by Microsoft)
-My question is: This PDA is already a bit old now, is it going to work smoothly wit the very last OS, which is designed for more recent PDAs (i.e which should be more efficient).
I mainly want to use it for Internet, wich browser do you recommend ?
Internet explorer? Opera Mobile? Opera Mini? other browser?
By the way what is the difference between Opera Mobile and Opera Mini

you should go with opera mobile, as it is better suited for pda's. opera mini is suited for java based mobile phones.

jdc said:
Really, I wish HTC would revive the device, make an updated version of it. The form factor, while is a bit big for a phone, is great for usability as a PDA.
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man i wish they would do that, or release a device with the same glorious screen but with contemporary features, all in all the blu angel is still a killer device 4 years on.

Absolutely right. I had been using the subj for 4 years in nearly extremal conditions, uprading and downgrading firmware dozen times. But, unfortunately it died as hero. Really great gadget, legend of HTC platform challenging ages.

Hi
Well with WM 6.1 it does everything I need and thats for sure I have my pick of devices and always come back to this one - and the 11i which is just about as good
I cant think of a time I have been upset with what it does or doesn't do. I intend keep one for as long as it will run....
John P

HTC Diamond rom for P3300 with 3D booklet & contact on the right ?

Hi,
just tested the "anja" Diamond 1.0 rom, but it's not 100% the same,the main thing I flashed for is the 3D booklet with contacts and HTC home down, but it wasn't in it.
Can anybody make a rom (or program) with the same screens as the Diamond (3d booklet on homepage with contacts on the right see enclosure)? Also the HTC Home tabs are completely down the screen and a direct photo button,...
Thanks,
Innovator

There will be one main problem.... the artemis chip is far away from beeing fast enough for this kind of gimicks

Innovator said:
Hi,
just tested the "anja" Diamond 1.0 rom, but it's not 100% the same,the main thing I flashed for is the 3D booklet with contacts and HTC home down, but it wasn't in it.
Can anybody make a rom (or program) with the same screens as the Diamond (3d booklet on homepage with contacts on the right see enclosure)? Also the HTC Home tabs are completely down the screen and a direct photo button,...
Thanks,
Innovator
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I think many people here working on what you ask for. And if it would be so easy then you could already have it.

Totally agree with Daiphi!!
Qualcomm® MSM7201A™ 528 MHz VS Texas Instruments OMAP850 200 MHz
I think tah cocludes it all!
No reason for and artemis rom with bling-bling 3D effects and no speed what so ever!

3D booklet
I had the Qtek 2020i (520mhz) and the Eten G500 (400MHZ) but i really don't need the fast processor. For only GSM, GPS, WIFI the OMAP 200MZ is fast enough, i have no complaints about applications that run slow, and half processor = half battery consumption. Batterystatus can pimp up your P3300 to 260mhz, but i really don't need this.
I think if someone (maybe Tom Condon could make a fast rom without too many junk, this 3D booklet would run smooth, like the 3D cube.
I think maybe in 2-3 years the P3300 can get slower, due to gps-manufacturers that make better 3D Graphics, but by then the Diamond is dropped to €300 and we have this one allready
Hope to test Igo My Way 8 soon, cause TomTom Navigator's graphics are very basic...
Cheers,
Innovator

^ I've seen Igo 8 on my friend's artemis, and it runs pretty slow on the Artemis Touch 4.02 rom. Well, actually its the same as Tomtom, but when the buildings or any 3D objects on the map come into focus, it does start struggling..

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^ I've seen Igo 8 on my friend's artemis, and it runs pretty slow on the Artemis Touch 4.02 rom. Well, actually its the same as Tomtom, but when the buildings or any 3D objects on the map come into focus, it does start struggling..
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Tried igo 8 on my orbit - it works on o2 factory rom - but some cooked roms have not enough free ram. After 3 days still 22,7 MB free RAM (screenshots are incl. s. signature)

Innovator said:
I had the Qtek 2020i (520mhz) and the Eten G500 (400MHZ) but i really don't need the fast processor. For only GSM, GPS, WIFI the OMAP 200MZ is fast enough, i have no complaints about applications that run slow, and half processor = half battery consumption. Batterystatus can pimp up your P3300 to 260mhz, but i really don't need this.
I think if someone (maybe Tom Condon could make a fast rom without too many junk, this 3D booklet would run smooth, like the 3D cube.
I think maybe in 2-3 years the P3300 can get slower, due to gps-manufacturers that make better 3D Graphics, but by then the Diamond is dropped to €300 and we have this one allready
Hope to test Igo My Way 8 soon, cause TomTom Navigator's graphics are very basic...
Cheers,
Innovator
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iGo8 works great on this device, I have it installed myself!

I have installed IGO8 on Artemis Touch 4.02 Full no Cube ROM
runs perfect and quick (with full details)
tested also with Anja Mossi Diamond style rom - and there is low free RAM for IGO8

Tested Igo8 today with Oop Black Beta Public Rom from Tom Condon (not condom), no delays, hope to see Tom's latest rom soon with some diamond influences, and booklet maybe instead of cube???
Also installed 'A-GPS' for the first time (quickgps also on rom, but A-gps should be good for 10 days or something).
So people saying IGO8 runs slow on their P3300 --> install a faster rom!!!
Some pre-cooked roms have so much junk that everythings goes slow.
Just take a basic rom (4.02 lite with no cube for example) and install your own stuff.
It's very difficult to cook a rom with tools that everyone uses... i prefer the lite stuff
But when the 3D Diamond interfacte would be included, i would not doubt to install this rom