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Touch Pro 2 from perspective of an iPhone fan.

I’ve seen quite a few people struggling with the idea of which one to get. So thought i’d give my two cents. I know many people like to use the ‘Customizable’ argument for windows mobile over iPhone OS, ok fair enough. But for me and i’d say 99% of other mobile phone users. That isn’t such a huge issue. So this comparison isn’t based on that.
Recent history of mobile ownership has been.. iPhone 2G .. to .. HTC Touch Diamond .. to HTC Touch Pro .. to .. iPhone 3G.
So i sold my iPhone 3G 3-4 weeks before the iPhone 3GS was announced at WWDC – that way it sold quickly as majority of the for sale forums have now been flooded with the iPhone 3G.
I loved my iPhone 3G, cracking device. Although the hardware bump wasn’t quite as much as i wanted, i was dead set on getting the iPhone 3GS. Until i had a play with a HTC Touch Pro2. See i had almost given up on HTC, for me the HTC Touch Diamond was a cracking phone. But the resistive touch screen and touch flo 3D wasn’t responsive enough, it was clumsy and disappointing. Compared to the iPhone it was quite far off the mark as a phone you could conceivably use with your finger for everything.
The HTC Touch Pro i was equally a bit miffed about, essentially taking a HTC Touch Diamond and modifying it slightly with a keyboard.. There wasn’t a clear enough division between the two product lines. Again it was as poor as the Diamond when it came to sensitivity.
Now comes the HTC Touch Pro2 – something i loved the look of but ultimately wasn’t considering due to previous experiences. Fortunately a mate of mine got one of the first sets to land in the UK, so i had a little play. Well – crikey.. What an improvement not only to Touch Flo 3D but the screen in general seems almost on par with an iPhone for sensitivity. It really is a leap forward for HTC using resistance technology, a final stand before everything goes capacitive with Windows Mobile 7 / Andriod.
The new interface stuff is cracking, still some signs of Windows 6.1 through the cracks.. But definitely an improvement. With nice little touch’s like linking you contacts to a facebook profile.
So this meant instead of purchasing an iPhone 3GS – i got a HTC Touch Pro2 and really have begun to adore it.
However, couple of huge problems for me personally.. Still no windows market place.. I’m sorry but developers can harp on that there was loads more apps on windows mobile than iPhone, but without a centralized and easy link from the phone to them with reviews and ratings.. It’s a pain in the arse both sourcing and install compared to an iPhone.
Also no multi-touch – which is just indicative of resistive technology.. Have to say, Opera may be good.. But multi-touch really makes sense for mobile internet browsing. I find the zoom bar almost pointless.
So in all, if you can live without an app store and multi-touch.. I’d consider the Touch Pro2 – but be aware, if you’re moving from an iPhone 3G to it.. You will miss the app store, so very very much. Windows Mobile Apps just don’t stack up for me, especially from an interface perspective.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I think some kind of Windows app store (marketplace?) is coming in the WM6.5 upgrade.
Regarding the zoom bar, I actually quite like it, but I can also see it as a bit of a waste of space. There's talk on here about the potential to MOD the control for use as a D pad, which I think is a great idea.

From an iPhone/iPod user experience, I find that there are several shortcomings and several advantages on the TP2.
Disadvantages
1. No easy iTunes Sync (If you're a Mac user, this is very difficult to cope with. Missing Sync and also iTuneMy Walkman coupled with Playlist Manager on the TP2 are necessary to get the same level of sync)
2. No App store (for the plethora of applications out there, you can't install many applications very easily and the applications differ across processor types, screen resolutions, and component compatability. Is there no standard for Windows Mobile??? )
3. Movie playback/sync (which codecs work and which don't? How would you know how to encode the video? Why isn't there an iTunes store where you can just buy videos pre-encoded?)
4. Smooth OS (I have to admit, it's slick. Really slick. Android with Sense UI is slicker but hey, you have to start somewhere. The user experience is much simpler on an iPhone. Windows Mobile is prone to lots of odd issues such as memory leaks, bugs, missing features, random restarts which are all fixable after searching on XDA-Developers. Apple's iPhone OS is ready out of the box no questions asked)
5. Internet E-mail setup (It's so easy and simple. Why can't Windows Mobile do this??? Actually I just checked on the TP2 and it sets up just fine but menus for doing this are still a little bothersome.)
6. iPod function (Again, it's easy and simple. HTC Audio still has issues with playlist structure and track listings.)
Advantages
1. Big high resolution screen (at 3.6" and 800x480 resolution, this is close to quadruple the resolution of the iPhone. It's a much better display)
2. TF3D (an HTC invention and totally unrelated to MSFT. Information at a glance and at a swipe, it's done. iPhone doesn't have the same type of instant information access unless you use Intelliscreen which is still a little anemic)
3. Better external speaker (Ever lose a call because the hole on the bottom of the iPhone was plugged up in your pocket? Even if I plug the speaker grill on the TP2, it's still loud and I can still hear it)
4. Customization (Windows Mobile is extremely customizable. You don't have to use TF3D and you can use an alternative such as SPB Mobile Shell or one of those fancy XWindows kits. iPhones when Jailbroken still don't offer this level of customization. In the future, someone will probably be able to write a Jailbroken app that customizes the iPhone but you'll never see it on the App Store due to its restrictions.)
5. Smart Dial (Comes default with HTC TP3D devices now. No more digging through contacts, just dial a few letters from their name and bingo, instant connection. iPhone has a free one on the App Store but it's not as fast or as complete as HTC's Smart Dial.)
6. Full Exchange Synchronization (iPhone only syncs Contacts, Calendar, and the Inbox. You need to have an online connection to get subfolders or anything else.)
7. Push Internet (it's not completely there yet but it's a great concept. It saves me from having to refresh/load websites every time I want to view an important website. No such feature on the Mobile Safari)

Crazy really that one of the issues is with the centralisation of downloadable content, I mean take a look at the Xbox 360 - awesome online experience for games, music, videos etc big selling point of the console itself compared to others and un-rivalled
Just a shame they cant link it all together somehow for windows mobile using your xbox live account or something.

i was an iphone user before, started out iphone 2g then iphone 3g, then now im using td2 the baby bro of tp2. though i missed the fun multitouch apps on iphone, but i found htc's new devices very useful in a way that i can live without my iphone. cant wait for the tp2 to arrive so i got myself the td2. now, im waiting for the official 6.5 upgrade. i might also get an iphone 3gs just for games and as a secondary phone

WRT Point 5, I've found email set-up very easy for my gmail and Yahoo! accounts. Just enter your address and password and almost everything else is done automatically.
How did you create your email accounts? I used the Mail Setup program.
R.

Yeah, I tried the new setup which had been around since 6.0. It's better than 5.x which was archaic back in the day. iPhone still does internet e-mail sources much more easily with fewer options but both devices bury the function like 4-5 menus deep.

Guys, how did your HTC's compare to the iphone in regards to audio quality via headphone jack? I'm talking music.

I'm usually not an advocate of making post to knock threads but there is already a thread for this.

TP2 audio quality is about the same as the iPhone. I think I posted the response graphs for their performance in another thread with almost the same title.

Thanks to all the iPhone users posting this info. I've been trying to decide between an unlocked iPhone (I'm on T_mobile) and waiting on the TP2. The iPhone has some neat apps...my brother pointed his iPhone towards the radio and an app he had installed popped up with the name of the band and song being played! it was pretty impressive.

Nice summary mate! I am in the same position as you, with an iPhone 3G at the moment, upgrading to the TP2 soon!

whtrbt7 said:
TP2 audio quality is about the same as the iPhone. I think I posted the response graphs for their performance in another thread with almost the same title.
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I know, I'm just really torn between getting an HTC phone and an ipod touch + cheap winmo phone. The more personal input, the better.

booshwa said:
Thanks to all the iPhone users posting this info. I've been trying to decide between an unlocked iPhone (I'm on T_mobile) and waiting on the TP2. The iPhone has some neat apps...my brother pointed his iPhone towards the radio and an app he had installed popped up with the name of the band and song being played! it was pretty impressive.
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I think there is something like that for wm phones too

whtrbt7 said:
From an iPhone/iPod user experience, I find that there are several shortcomings and several advantages on the TP2.
Disadvantages
1. No easy iTunes Sync (If you're a Mac user, this is very difficult to cope with. Missing Sync and also iTuneMy Walkman coupled with Playlist Manager on the TP2 are necessary to get the same level of sync)
2. No App store (for the plethora of applications out there, you can't install many applications very easily and the applications differ across processor types, screen resolutions, and component compatability. Is there no standard for Windows Mobile??? )
3. Movie playback/sync (which codecs work and which don't? How would you know how to encode the video? Why isn't there an iTunes store where you can just buy videos pre-encoded?)
4. Smooth OS (I have to admit, it's slick. Really slick. Android with Sense UI is slicker but hey, you have to start somewhere. The user experience is much simpler on an iPhone. Windows Mobile is prone to lots of odd issues such as memory leaks, bugs, missing features, random restarts which are all fixable after searching on XDA-Developers. Apple's iPhone OS is ready out of the box no questions asked)
5. Internet E-mail setup (It's so easy and simple. Why can't Windows Mobile do this??? Actually I just checked on the TP2 and it sets up just fine but menus for doing this are still a little bothersome.)
6. iPod function (Again, it's easy and simple. HTC Audio still has issues with playlist structure and track listings.)
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1. Do you really need this bloated DRM infested program just to sync music? Cant you just sync a directory using USB mass storage or foobar or winamp or whatever?
2. Appstore? that will be only an excuse to charge for minor freeware apps in the future.
3. Buy videos? You mean like pay for encoding? That would only make sense if you bought HD videos on iTunes and also got a free mobile version to save you the time of encoding. And dont tell me you cant find a video converter and a suitable preset for windows mobile.
4. Gotta agree iPhone OS is smooth and full of eye candy. Its also extremely stable, since it does only one thing at the time, and tries to simplify anything. It's nice, but certainly not my kind of thing. I even prefer to use the stylus but have all the options available, and running 3 or 4 apps simultaneously is a must for me.
5. It could be better, but come on. It's a one time setup, and there are lot of guides out there.
6. iPod? DRM infested gay looking extremely expensive audio players that force the use of DRM infested useless bloated software? do not want.
whtrbt7 said:
Advantages
1. Big high resolution screen (at 3.6" and 800x480 resolution, this is close to quadruple the resolution of the iPhone. It's a much better display)
2. TF3D (an HTC invention and totally unrelated to MSFT. Information at a glance and at a swipe, it's done. iPhone doesn't have the same type of instant information access unless you use Intelliscreen which is still a little anemic)
3. Better external speaker (Ever lose a call because the hole on the bottom of the iPhone was plugged up in your pocket? Even if I plug the speaker grill on the TP2, it's still loud and I can still hear it)
4. Customization (Windows Mobile is extremely customizable. You don't have to use TF3D and you can use an alternative such as SPB Mobile Shell or one of those fancy XWindows kits. iPhones when Jailbroken still don't offer this level of customization. In the future, someone will probably be able to write a Jailbroken app that customizes the iPhone but you'll never see it on the App Store due to its restrictions.)
5. Smart Dial (Comes default with HTC TP3D devices now. No more digging through contacts, just dial a few letters from their name and bingo, instant connection. iPhone has a free one on the App Store but it's not as fast or as complete as HTC's Smart Dial.)
6. Full Exchange Synchronization (iPhone only syncs Contacts, Calendar, and the Inbox. You need to have an online connection to get subfolders or anything else.)
7. Push Internet (it's not completely there yet but it's a great concept. It saves me from having to refresh/load websites every time I want to view an important website. No such feature on the Mobile Safari)
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1. True
2. TF3D is good, but neither innovative or so useful. There where other, possibly better alternatives before TF3D, simply with less eye candy. I think its the minor menu, taskbar and other HTC enhancements that make the difference.
3. Didnt know that. I thought iPhone's speaker was better. Nice knowing that.
4. Customisation Customisation Customisation. Developers Developers Developers. Go windows mobile. Widely available SDKs and samples, and everyone can beggin programming for Windows Mobile without paying Microsoft for Closed SDKs etc.
5. iPhone doesnt have Smart Dial? You have to buy it? That's ridiculously sad. I had smart dial since 2004 on my magician.
6. A must for Business use.
7. Nice idea, but not needed anymore for me since i have a nice data plan.

if youre going to miss the appstore go to an android phone..htc magic or htc hero..it has multitouch and flash player

I would just consider the Iphone as a toy for kids. It's totall useless for business purpose.
I got the touch pro 2 which is a real business phone: conference in one single touch, perfect sounds in hand free mode (just put it upside down on the table to activate!), direct call from an email
AND a real keyboard!

kourampies said:
1. Do you really need this bloated DRM infested program just to sync music? Cant you just sync a directory using USB mass storage or foobar or winamp or whatever?
2. Appstore? that will be only an excuse to charge for minor freeware apps in the future.
3. Buy videos? You mean like pay for encoding? That would only make sense if you bought HD videos on iTunes and also got a free mobile version to save you the time of encoding. And dont tell me you cant find a video converter and a suitable preset for windows mobile.
4. Gotta agree iPhone OS is smooth and full of eye candy. Its also extremely stable, since it does only one thing at the time, and tries to simplify anything. It's nice, but certainly not my kind of thing. I even prefer to use the stylus but have all the options available, and running 3 or 4 apps simultaneously is a must for me.
5. It could be better, but come on. It's a one time setup, and there are lot of guides out there.
6. iPod? DRM infested gay looking extremely expensive audio players that force the use of DRM infested useless bloated software? do not want.
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1. For Mac users, this is an only resource. I totally agree that iTunes is possibly one of the worst music management programs out there. It's not DRM infested anymore luckily but it's still a mess when managing music. I normally prefer Winamp but haven't found anything to emulate performance on a Mac yet. iTunes I have to admit is "easy" if you have an iPod or iPhone. It's just that if you don't really care for your music, iTunes is the easiest way to go.
2. Appstore is a double edged sword. Apple dictates what can and can't be on it and there is so much crapware on it that it's painful to browse (although really amusing and time wasting).
3. For normal consumers, they don't care if they have to buy the movie as long as it works. It's true for if you use an iPod or iPhone. Windows Mobile users have to encode their own videos normally since we don't have a centralized place to buy our movies and getting custom resolution encodes is not easy for a normal consumer.
4. I agree with you. A Jailbroken iPhone can do background apps and also has quick access to commonly used functions. I really hate digging around in the settings menu on the iPhone.
5. Yup, totally agree with you on this one.
6. For Mac users, it's the only thing that really works. It's smooth as long as you have an iPod or iPhone. Requires extra software if you want to use it well with WM.

Im a developer, I know some basics. Give me ideas.

As the title says, Im a developer but I dont know anything majorly complicated.
I want YOUR ideas for something to make.
Stuff I know:
Things to do with the file system - copy, paste, delete, create etc
Read/write/create text files
Simple or even more complex UIs (nothing too extreme though)
most of the basic stuff
Heres a video of stuff Ive done before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3_5xBqf-eQ
If you have any idea for simple apps, please let me know and Ill tell you if I can make them or not
Thanks

Maybe a new app to replace and improve SmileySMS ( development is stopped, and on windows mobile we can't have smileys in sms without this buggy app).

I wish a prog for my HD2, very simple : Use Webradio (with url) as ringtone !

Hi Cris,
I am looking for an app that can do the following:
Disable the touchscreen.
Why?
It's annoying when you watch movies and accidentaly touch the screen (especially with core player).
The app would have to disable the touchscreen after a set time, so you have enough to start the movie (or other application).
A certain area of the screen would have to be defined as touchable, so that you can disable again. Maybe with a gesture? ie. swipe from bottom left hand corner to top right???
just an idea

idea
it would be amazingg if you could make an application that allows the drag down notifications panel like android has

antdawg702 said:
it would be amazingg if you could make an application that allows the drag down notifications panel like android has
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you know what, im gonna look into this one.
I cant promise anything.
I cant say I have any idea how to do that.
but I can say that im gonna look into it ^_^

wm7
can you make a windosmobile7series for nontouchscreen windowsmobile.need help with it.its just navigaating threw it with the arrow keys

Hi Cris,
Can I suggest a application that can do 2 things which I can't find something similar to this (suggestion).
To create a application for both "Shopping List" + "Inventory".
Let me know if you interested, I can share the idea ..
Hope you can consider it .. thanks

antdawg702 said:
it would be amazingg if you could make an application that allows the drag down notifications panel like android has
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do you have a screenshot?

how about an application like e-mail and walk for the iphone..........so that wed be able to type and walk at the same time with the background being whats in front of us fed by our camera....

I would like a app that does the following:
All for the Sense music tab!
When NOT in a call:
Long press : Play / pause
Pressed twice : Next song
(If possible:
Pressed three times: previous song
pressed shot : call)
When you are being called:
short press: pickup / hangup
PLUS
The hardware buttons (buttons on the PHONE) MUST be disabled,
But ONLY when the headset is plugged in!
With no headset plugged in everything should be as normal!
Could some developer please make this?
Maybe you can use code from the following:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502881
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556801
Great Greet Giblet

I've actually been pitching this one around but no luck yet ... A small GPS toggle cmd app. Here's an OSS project that may have usefull code.
What I would like it to have is:
1- Commands to toggle GPS on or off
2- Stay running and output number of connected satellites and connection status (position fixed/not fixed) as a reg name/value
3- Maybe other stuff (like coordinates, hour/date, update system time... but what I really want is the first point 1 and 2).
Why would I want such an app? To add a GPS connection manager to my today screen HS++ skin (also maybe make a script that will only launch my device navigation software when it has a position fix).
PS:
Other stuff I'd like to see are either other small cmd apps or small updates/fixes of some OSS apps like GSFinder+ or even emulators (small stuff like adding onscreen controls using existing sources, emulate mutli touch or improving controls by mixing the use of oncreen keys with hw ones or minor GUI standardization and fixes related with new devices screen resolution).

cris_rowlands said:
As the title says, Im a developer but I dont know anything majorly complicated.
I want YOUR ideas for something to make.
Stuff I know:
Things to do with the file system - copy, paste, delete, create etc
Read/write/create text files
Simple or even more complex UIs (nothing too extreme though)
most of the basic stuff
Heres a video of stuff Ive done before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3_5xBqf-eQ
If you have any idea for simple apps, please let me know and Ill tell you if I can make them or not
Thanks
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OK here is an idea for a simple but useful application please would you consider making this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5711236&postcount=1

Slide2Action
Hi cris, How about a simple slide to do anything? Just a scrollable list of blank sliders that you can assign a function too, eg launch an app, blank screen, reset, close all, new message, WiFi, bluetooth etc. the list could be endless. Just a scrollable action screen with sliders instead of buttons. Transparency would be a bonus for a nice visual.

well folks, youve given me plenty of ideas.
A few of them ill try to work on, sadly many of your ideas are a little beyond me
Anyway, Ive got some stuff to be doing so I wont be checking out this thread anymore.
If any developers feel they want to take up any of these, please feel free ^_^

zinconnu said:
Maybe a new app to replace and improve SmileySMS ( development is stopped, and on windows mobile we can't have smileys in sms without this buggy app).
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I was going to make this same suggestion. I hope somebody with the skills stumbles upon this and can continue the development for this.

cris_rowlands said:
well folks, youve given me plenty of ideas.
A few of them ill try to work on, sadly many of your ideas are a little beyond me
Anyway, Ive got some stuff to be doing so I wont be checking out this thread anymore.
If any developers feel they want to take up any of these, please feel free ^_^
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Hi Cris,
if you can consider my suggestion to develop a "shopping List" + "Inventory" apps I think is not that difficult to develop. It almost similar to like any shopping list app & you be able to keep track of the inventory list maybe with photo or pic is good enough.
pls do consider this apps, as both iPhone & WinMo still do not have such app yet. If you do build up, you will be the 1st to come out with.

Lockscreen Slider
Please try to do a Lockscreen Slider for WM 6.5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=638230
Thanks

salo1 said:
Please try to do a Lockscreen Slider for WM 6.5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=638230
Thanks
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yes let's steal some more apple patents!!! The idea is great! Few months ago I already asked this topic in the S2U thread but no response, probably my request got overseen or the guy is just too busy with other stuff.

Dear Steve Ballmer and Microsoft (WP7 Related)

Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
Before I begin my rant, please allow me to say that I have used many many many PDA phones. And WP7 has without a doubt, some of the most GLARING problems I have ever seen in a mobile OS.
My phone history (in no [particular order]:
-T-mobile Pocket PC (the 1st one)
- SE P800, P900, P910I
- Xperia X1
- Many different WM 5.0, 6.0 6.5 phones (maybe 10 or more). If I were to list them all this would take all day. My most recent WM phone before this HD7 was the HTC TyTN II.
- Nokia N93i, N95, N900 (still got it)
- Nokia Communicators 9210 and E90
- Iphone 1st Gen
- Kyocera Palm OS phone
- Probably other stuff I forgot about along the way.
(Btw, all of these phones had address books which worked great)
I am in no way saying that I am some PDA expert, but I think its safe to say I've used alot of PDAs.
Good afternoon. I really hope somebody from Microsoft or Steve himself or some MS dev is reading this.
I recently bought a HTC HD7 and after using it for 1hr my initial impressions were very good....THEN i used it a bit longer and I started to realize something.
Cons:
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
2. The WP7's media playerss seek function needs to work like a STANDARD portable TOUCH SCREEN media player. Why am I not able skip to the part of the video I want to watch by simply sliding my finger along the time bar until I reach my target moment? Why am I forced to press a seek button instead? I thought this was a touch screen phone, not to mention the fact that Pocket PC, Pocket PC 2003, WM 5.0 WM 6.0 WM 6.5 all included this missing function. Do you guys even watch movies on your cell phones? Or are you guys still using Nokia 5200s?
3. Xbox Live is buggy as hell. I download a game through Xbox Live and it says I need to connect my phone to my computer or connect to wifi (It was already both) in order to complete the install. There is no easy way to check the progress of the installation of download unless I try to download another application. Is the ability to check the progress without downloading another app hidden somewhere? If so, why is it hidden?
4. When I try to visit a previous webpage and I press the hardware backwards arrow botton, it kicks me out of IE.
5. The hardware buttons have great sensitivity, but I am constantly pressing them by accident (with my palm), thus closing my active program unintentionally.
And let me tell you, I do not have large hands.
6. I dunno why it doesnt work as a USB drive natively. Perhaps this is some sort of piracy control measure or you are trying to mimic apple.
7. Cant copy and paste. I dunno why this is so hard for you guys. You guys could have some sort of hardware button, that when pushed activates a 2nd function to the screen pressing. Instead of clicking on a link, if the hardware button is pressed, it would allow the user to select the letters and highlight them. Then copy/paste somewhere else.
8. I cannot delete/hide my recently browsed youtube video history. I was looking at videos of girls shaking their butts and afterwards when I went to my zune application, I saw the video thumbnails there! I cant delete or hide them? Where is the privacy?
9. Doesnt support Divx codecs, which it should because this is a phone for a "mobile life style". Why would I want to sit at my computer for hrs waiting for my videos to convert? Why do you guys and apple insist on your own proprietary formats?
Sub-Score: -9
Pros:
1. Works fast, very smooth. Is this a result of the reduced interface .
2. Web browsing is pretty good, except I cant fast forward through youtube videos by sliding my finger on the time bar.
Sub-Score: +2
Total Score: -7
I do not believe this phone is beyond saving. Surely you guys must have noticed some of the things I mentioned. Why you did not remedy these issues before the release? I do not know. If you guys were unaware of the problems I mentioned, well now you know. Please fix these issues soon and FFS, please add a proper address book application and allow me to use my finger/time bar to seek through a video/song/youtube vid.
Currently, I would have to say this phone is nothing more than a portable media player with some phone functions built in. And you guys already screwed up with the media player part.
If I could go back in time (which was only yesterday) I would have bought a HTC Desire HD. But I cant so I can only pray that you guys fix some/most of these issues.
If I am sorely mistaken and some of these functions actually are included and hidden somewhere, why are they not intuitive?
Thanks.....for nothing.....

I always liked the N95 symbian address book that allowed me to create groups for my contacts and I liked all WM previous phone dialers which would cross reference all incoming and outgoing calls with the numbers I was pressing.
Microsoft should atleast make a dialer thats as good as their previous ones, and maybe learn a thing or 2 from Symbian.
Edit: I just read that it was possible to cut down the number of contacts from facebook that appear in your phone, but it still should not be this difficult. I should be able to simple long press the contact and select delete or hide.

Nice One Star thread repeating issues in about 20 other threads
One thing I'd like to agree with the OP about is the Capacitive buttons. They're a good idea in theory (the Vibrant has them as well), but they're practically terrible. They are very prone to hitting by accident.
Lots of OSes can learn from Symbian, but being the Jack of All Trades has not worked for any OS to date. Windows Mobile also supported a ton of stuff and it's marketshare in the US suffered a lot. Symbian has great marketshare overseas because the OS is used in low-end feature phones as well. They aren't strong in the mid-high end smartphone market.
And they would be, if they didn't put such small NANDs in the phones, skimp on the RAM in the phones (it uses a Virtual memory architechture, but the phones still need at least 348 MB RAM, IMO), and have such an embarassing user interface. I really like that it has the most flexible development environment of any smartphone OS, though (similar to [again] Windows Mobile on that front).

Blazerfan722 said:
Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
Before I begin my rant, please allow me to say that I have used many many many PDA phones. And WP7 has without a doubt, some of the most GLARING problems I have ever seen in a mobile OS.
My phone history (in no [particular order]:
-T-mobile Pocket PC (the 1st one)
- SE P800, P900, P910I
- Xperia X1
- Many different WM 5.0, 6.0 6.5 phones (maybe 10 or more). If I were to list them all this would take all day. My most recent WM phone before this HD7 was the HTC TyTN II.
- Nokia N93i, N95, N900 (still got it)
- Nokia Communicators 9210 and E90
- Iphone 1st Gen
- Kyocera Palm OS phone
- Probably other stuff I forgot about along the way.
(Btw, all of these phones had address books which worked great)
I am in no way saying that I am some PDA expert, but I think its safe to say I've used alot of PDAs.
Good afternoon. I really hope somebody from Microsoft or Steve himself or some MS dev is reading this.
I recently bought a HTC HD7 and after using it for 1hr my initial impressions were very good....THEN i used it a bit longer and I started to realize something.
Cons:
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
2. The WP7's media playerss seek function needs to work like a STANDARD portable TOUCH SCREEN media player. Why am I not able skip to the part of the video I want to watch by simply sliding my finger along the time bar until I reach my target moment? Why am I forced to press a seek button instead? I thought this was a touch screen phone, not to mention the fact that Pocket PC, Pocket PC 2003, WM 5.0 WM 6.0 WM 6.5 all included this missing function. Do you guys even watch movies on your cell phones? Or are you guys still using Nokia 5200s?
3. Xbox Live is buggy as hell. I download a game through Xbox Live and it says I need to connect my phone to my computer or connect to wifi (It was already both) in order to complete the install. There is no easy way to check the progress of the installation of download unless I try to download another application. Is the ability to check the progress without downloading another app hidden somewhere? If so, why is it hidden?
4. When I try to visit a previous webpage and I press the hardware backwards arrow botton, it kicks me out of IE.
5. The hardware buttons have great sensitivity, but I am constantly pressing them by accident (with my palm), thus closing my active program unintentionally.
And let me tell you, I do not have large hands.
6. I dunno why it doesnt work as a USB drive natively. Perhaps this is some sort of piracy control measure or you are trying to mimic apple.
7. Cant copy and paste. I dunno why this is so hard for you guys. You guys could have some sort of hardware button, that when pushed activates a 2nd function to the screen pressing. Instead of clicking on a link, if the hardware button is pressed, it would allow the user to select the letters and highlight them. Then copy/paste somewhere else.
8. I cannot delete/hide my recently browsed youtube video history. I was looking at videos of girls shaking their butts and afterwards when I went to my zune application, I saw the video thumbnails there! I cant delete or hide them? Where is the privacy?
9. Doesnt support Divx codecs, which it should because this is a phone for a "mobile life style". Why would I want to sit at my computer for hrs waiting for my videos to convert? Why do you guys and apple insist on your own proprietary formats?
Sub-Score: -9
Pros:
1. Works fast, very smooth. Is this a result of the reduced interface .
2. Web browsing is pretty good, except I cant fast forward through youtube videos by sliding my finger on the time bar.
Sub-Score: +2
Total Score: -7
I do not believe this phone is beyond saving. Surely you guys must have noticed some of the things I mentioned. Why you did not remedy these issues before the release? I do not know. If you guys were unaware of the problems I mentioned, well now you know. Please fix these issues soon and FFS, please add a proper address book application and allow me to use my finger/time bar to seek through a video/song/youtube vid.
Currently, I would have to say this phone is nothing more than a portable media player with some phone functions built in. And you guys already screwed up with the media player part.
If I could go back in time (which was only yesterday) I would have bought a HTC Desire HD. But I cant so I can only pray that you guys fix some/most of these issues.
If I am sorely mistaken and some of these functions actually are included and hidden somewhere, why are they not intuitive?
Thanks.....for nothing.....
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1. There's a separate Facebook app in the marketplace. If you don't want to integrate everyone, get it.
2. Agree on this point.
3. Never happened to me. If you want to see the progress stay on that page. A little bar begins to fill up. So I don't know what you're talking about.
4. Only time that happens to me is when I exit IE and then try to come back in.
5. Sorry, but that's user error.
6. There's already a workaround. You can use it as a mass storage device.
7. Its coming in the update. Why is that so hard to get?
8. Don't browse inappropriate videos? Or play a few more things after to make it replace the history items.
9. Kinda agree, but its not unheard of at all. So why would they do it?

EDIT: Poster above was more succint.

The problem isn't DivX as far as I understand, it's avi. Divx is just an implementation of MPEG-4 Part 2 Advanced Simple Profile, which is supported. And the strange part here is that avi is Microsoft's own proprietary format, while mp4 is Apple's. Strange times.
Scrubbing is needed not only for long videos, I use it all the time for YouTube and music (especially podcasts, many of which aren't properly separated into chapters).

WOW, only the 20th "I hate WP7" thread for today so far? Hmmm, the trolls are slacking.

eternalemb said:
1. There's a separate Facebook app in the marketplace. If you don't want to integrate everyone, get it.
2. Agree on this point.
3. Never happened to me. If you want to see the progress stay on that page. A little bar begins to fill up. So I don't know what you're talking about.
4. Only time that happens to me is when I exit IE and then try to come back in.
5. Sorry, but that's user error.
6. There's already a workaround. You can use it as a mass storage device.
7. Its coming in the update. Why is that so hard to get?
8. Don't browse inappropriate videos? Or play a few more things after to make it replace the history items.
9. Kinda agree, but its not unheard of at all. So why would they do it?
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He got the phone. It has many limitations he doesn't like.
So what's your problem?
"Coming in the update" means nothing. It may be month or 5 months.
Nobody buys a device to wait for update, well, maybe only tech geeks, but that's not the phone for them.

doministry said:
He got the phone. It has many limitations he doesn't like.
So what's your problem?
"Coming in the update" means nothing. It may be month or 5 months.
Nobody buys a device to wait for update, well, maybe only tech geeks, but that's not the phone for them.
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And he, like everyone else who bought one, should've known the deficiencies the devices carry atm. So, what's your problem?
You don't like the features a phone has or is lacking, you don't buy it. Simple, no?
And the update is expected in January.

f1restarter said:
WOW, only the 20th "I hate WP7" thread for today so far? Hmmm, the trolls are slacking.
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No, no, I'm watching ....

Blazerfan722 said:
Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
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You do know that you can disable Facebook friends as contacts in the settings, don't you?

CR1M1N4L said:
You do know that you can disable Facebook friends as contacts in the settings, don't you?
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People these days expect the phone to pop up push messages from the microsoft servers for days after they buy it detailing every single detail of the device.
Reading, Reading Comprehension, Critical Thinking... These sorts of things are out the window these days.

N8ter said:
People these days expect the phone to pop up push messages from the microsoft servers for days after they buy it detailing every single detail of the device.
Reading, Reading Comprehension, Critical Thinking... These sorts of things are out the window these days.
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Bet your house on that. Our society is getting dumber, lazier and more malleable by the minute. Though I digress...

LOL... This guy's not a troll!
He's genuinely disappointed with his purchase and has every right to complain about it. If you WP7 sympathisers were honest with yourselves, you would recognise that there are currently plenty of problems with this platform, and disaffected users have every right to complain.
There's no point pretending the problems don't exist.. it's obvious they, perhaps you only ever read Microsoft blogs and listen to Channel 9. If you want a true indication about how many users are feeling, just read the Microsoft questions and answers forum.

Guys,
This is still a new OS, it's been out for ONE month, many of these things gonna be replaced or added with updates. Just wait and see. The most important thing now is that's a fast and simple OS. Just remember what ****ty phone iPhone was, look what it became now... Time does miracles!

Alright guys, I'm leaving this open thread to know the answer, if it occurs.
And also for others to vent, but we will maintain an acceptable level before they start fighting funboys because of companies.

AceofSpades25 said:
LOL... This guy's not a troll!
He's genuinely disappointed with his purchase and has every right to complain about it. If you WP7 sympathisers were honest with yourselves, you would recognise that there are currently plenty of problems with this platform, and disaffected users have every right to complain.
There's no point pretending the problems don't exist.. it's obvious they, perhaps you only ever read Microsoft blogs and listen to Channel 9. If you want a true indication about how many users are feeling, just read the Microsoft questions and answers forum.
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Agreed,
Unfortunately I have the feeling that most people here now refuse to see the obvious problems with this platform (no USB, no DivX, and so many others...)
Seems like there is no right to judge and criticize the OS.
We shall not become like the iPhone fanboys. Seriously.
I also think that WP7 is a truly disappointing experience as I don't like to be forced to use all these external MS services (Zune, Skydrive, Marketplace, etc...) that just make me waste my time.
And I expect nothing from the so-called January update.

I love threads like this. Keep em coming lol jk. But man the pole jockers in here have fits when anyone say something about wp7. I dont know what everyones country rules are. But mine is freedom of speech. So if the dont like what the guy or troll have to say, dont feed him. Case Closed.

To the OP, I suggest you spill your mind on these boards http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads
At least it gets some exposure for Microsoft.

lqaddict said:
To the OP, I suggest you spill your mind on these boards http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads
At least it gets some exposure for Microsoft.
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Good tip, if OP find interesting; closure here, and this link is for future users to enjoy!
Thanks!

Who can help the downloading software?

You also remember 40Iplay this section mp3 player? Its music effect lets the human be surprised extremely.But weuse now the edition contact surface is extremely ugly.Butit published the new edition.The new edition contact surface is extremely attractive, now in marketplace sell.Selling price 39.9 US dollars.The software name is PhantasmX3 MP(Phantsm?I forget?).Because the marketplace downloading receives some limits inChina to be unable to download.Therefore in here requested everybody helped

o8530952 said:
You also remember 40Iplay this section mp3 player? Its music effect lets the human be surprised extremely.But weuse now the edition contact surface is extremely ugly.Butit published the new edition.The new edition contact surface is extremely attractive, now in marketplace sell.Selling price 39.9 US dollars.The software name is PhantasmX3 MP(Phantsm?I forget?).Because the marketplace downloading receives some limits inChina to be unable to download.Therefore in here requested everybody helped
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It is this soft ware report
Windows Mobile music lovers may well remember an excellent but quirky music program for Windows Mobile, called 40iPlay. It was characterised by an excellentsound quality and some usefulfeatures. Unfortunately it ceased to be supported from WM5 SP2 onwards.
Browsing around the Marketplace yesterday, I found a new music player called Phantasm MP , written byCornel Huth, the developer of40iPlay.
As it is only £7.19 (as opposed to $40 the original cost) I risked all and boughtit! Happily, once up and running, the sound quality isexcellent and I've no regrets.
It's not all sweetness and light at present however- setup can be an ordeal to saythe least, as the Marketplacedownload does not include thecomprehensive user guide available from the developer's main site. Initially my copy would not index my music folder, causing repeated lockups, butafter some advice from the developer I traced this to a dodgy music file, since when it has been fine.
Navigation on a capacitive screen needs practice as well, but again, the user guide helps!
One remaining glitch is that the program doesn't seem to be able to keep the device awake, so it will go into standby without sound according to user settings. I've reported this to the developer. Maybe there's something else in the settings that can be tweaked! Fixed: See post 4 for the reason for this!
I'll give it a few days, thenmaybe do a 'Brief Review' butif anyone is interested, the user guide is Here and some screenshots of both Windows and Windows Mobile versions Here !
user fell
Excellent ! - i tried 40iplayon my Orbit2 and it sounded very good indeed by virtue ofbeing able to tweak the soundstage via reverb to givea big sound.
I now use the SRS WOW HD add-on which has a similar configurable 3d effect tho i will definately have a punt at Phantasm for only £7.
The screenshot reminds me of Winamp from a few years back!

no one can help me?

List of things i want my phone to do!

1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D

I just want mine to have a bitten apple behind, and keep this sexy UI, so we could have updates
The best of both worlds

B3nGz said:
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
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LG Quantum
Physical home button.
At first it was a bit of a disappointment, but after reading issues like the one you detailed, I'm glad for it.

how about smartdial?
don't u guys use it?

B3nGz said:
1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D
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1/. Coming in NoDo, whenever the hell that is. Well documented, read about it.
2/. Do you stare at your phone? I never understood this
3/. People work hard to make their tiles. It's actually up to them to give that option anyway, not MS. Case in point, Pin to Start.
4/. While you can't do it without dev-unlocking, can be done easily with TouchXplorer
5/.Agreed, but that's not MS's fault either. Blame OEMs
6/. Apparently it's a feature, an annoying one, but a feature none-the-less.
7/. The HD7 has dual LED flashlights.
8/. What game is $10.99?
9/. Bing search is more accurate than Google search because it uses Google search and other algorithims.
10/. A to B
11/. Mango update whenever that is. Also well documented.
12/. Whenever that app happens, it happens. Maybe you can code it for us?
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!

lekki said:
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!
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Well, we knew this kid (YouTube) was bound to grow up sometime. I'm just glad he's asking for phone features instead of killing people.

lekki said:
1/. Coming in NoDo, whenever the hell that is. Well documented, read about it.
2/. Do you stare at your phone? I never understood this
3/. People work hard to make their tiles. It's actually up to them to give that option anyway, not MS. Case in point, Pin to Start.
4/. While you can't do it without dev-unlocking, can be done easily with TouchXplorer
5/.Agreed, but that's not MS's fault either. Blame OEMs
6/. Apparently it's a feature, an annoying one, but a feature none-the-less.
7/. The HD7 has dual LED flashlights.
8/. What game is $10.99?
9/. Bing search is more accurate than Google search because it uses Google search and other algorithims.
10/. A to B
11/. Mango update whenever that is. Also well documented.
12/. Whenever that app happens, it happens. Maybe you can code it for us?
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!
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Not sure, but apps are definitely more expensive on wp7 compared to Android/iOS. Even the same exact app. Hopefully this will change when there is more competition.

B3nGz said:
1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D
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You basically just described Android

I have a T-Mobile Samsung Vibrant, wanna Trade?

B3nGz said:
1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D
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I so know what you mean about points 11 and 13. Games are so slow to load and have terrible resume function. If I get an email when playing a game, I dare not try and read it until I am finished gaming. So annoying.
The rest for me is not so important though I just dont get the custom ringtone thing.

Bleak Morn said:
Well, we knew this kid (YouTube) was bound to grow up sometime. I'm just glad he's asking for phone features instead of killing people.
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is this even real?

lekki said:
1/. i read it long ago.. waiting for it.
2/. its packaging, ppl dun stare at boxes, but they just buy nice boxes.
3/. Pin to start; i wanna change zune tiles.
4/. i dont want to modify any of my stock OS, just want it to be a feature.
5/. U trying to push the blame from candy to the sweets. they goes hand in hand.
6/. yes very annoying.
7/. Flash light to shine on anything else other than taking picture.. which part u dun understand?
8) alot of app and games is $10.99 , (i love katamari, castlevania puzzle, puzzle quest, guitar hero, the harvest... many others) u dont shop on market place? or are u too rich to notice the price?
9/. bing doesnt gives me wat i want, google does. 100% of the time.
10/. A to B applies only in certain country. how about other countries?
11/. Its not here yet. so it did not happen and its not in my phone yet!
12/. i would like to code if i can. but its M$ job to give customers satisfaction. not my job. and i really respect forum chefs and coders.
13/. my 3 year old kids will learnt how not to get excited. their fingers are just too short!
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i am not shooting on any body on anything.
its just a list of wat i want in a phone. even if it dun happens, its ok. its just a wish list bro
dun get too upset just like a WP7 FB.

lekki said:
5/.Agreed, but that's not MS's fault either. Blame OEMs
10/. A to B
11/. Mango update whenever that is. Also well documented.
12/. Whenever that app happens, it happens. Maybe you can code it for us?
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!
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5.I think MS can do that since WP7 are take control everything in the hardware..
ex. Battery charger.. you can't charge WP7 device if the OS is not running right ?
10.A to B using Bing map for navigation, and it useless when you live in other country. (I live in Thailand and Bing map is many suck for sure.)
11.It must wait too long since wee see they made it already.
12.With no multitasking, It's useless to release the screen capture app because we can't run this app in the background and use shortcut to make it capture right ?
(With this thing, I will already said we have wait too long.)
13.Why ? we have playing game for... ?? Entertainment right.... ?

B3nGz said:
i am not shooting on any body on anything.
its just a list of wat i want in a phone. even if it dun happens, its ok. its just a wish list bro
dun get too upset just like a WP7 FB.
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Where do you live that A to B isn't good enough?
And you have a HTC phone right? Get the damn flashlight app. It's pinned to my start screen so I can see where my dogs **** at night!!!
Are you in America? Because in America, there are no games for $10.99. Not one.
If you're in Australia or somewhere else, I can't speak for you, but where I live and where it is automatically assumed you are from unless you state so on this forum, is America.

Perlnx said:
5.I think MS can do that since WP7 are take control everything in the hardware..
ex. Battery charger.. you can't charge WP7 device if the OS is not running right ?
10.A to B using Bing map for navigation, and it useless when you live in other country. (I live in Thailand and Bing map is many suck for sure.)
11.It must wait too long since wee see they made it already.
12.With no multitasking, It's useless to release the screen capture app because we can't run this app in the background and use shortcut to make it capture right ?
(With this thing, I will already said we have wait too long.)
13.Why ? we have playing game for... ?? Entertainment right.... ?
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A to B does not use Bing maps dude. I used A to B successfully in Germany when Bing Maps wouldn't work.
MS have minimum specs for hardware specs. The quality of the sensor is up to the OEM. MS can't do a damn thing about that without pissing off the OEM.
Saying we play games for entertainment isn't an excuse. That's like button-mashing on a console game and saying I was too excited so skill went out the door. Using the game controls while excited is also a skill.

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is this even real?
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I think you're confusing that video with "David Goes to the Dentist".

lekki said:
A to B does not use Bing maps dude. I used A to B successfully in Germany when Bing Maps wouldn't work.
MS have minimum specs for hardware specs. The quality of the sensor is up to the OEM. MS can't do a damn thing about that without pissing off the OEM.
Saying we play games for entertainment isn't an excuse. That's like button-mashing on a console game and saying I was too excited so skill went out the door. Using the game controls while excited is also a skill.
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ok thanks. u are very knowledgeable and the rest of us are idiots. maybe just me.
*suddenly everyone on the net seems to be a professional*
and the things i want on my phone sounds so lame after your post.
=( sorry my bad.

RE
tethering ???

B3nGz said:
1) Copy and paste (its really irritating that i must memorise number and type manually into notes)
2) Wallpaper background (animated tiles is not enought, the menu screen looks really bored)
3) Customise tiles (i wanna put my own picture on my own tiles! some stock tiles looks really bad)
4) Custom ringtone
5) better video capability and zooming function on my hd7 (the current video function is worst than my 3years old sony ericson phone~)
6) my camera setting keeps going back default. i must switch off my flash and lower down the camera sound manually every time i use it.
7) LED flash light.
8) cheaper apps/games. iphone are selling their games at $0.99, WP7 $10.99 (omfgbbq)
9) Bing is really lousy, i prefer google search...
10) turn by turn navigation with voice direction.
11) Multi-tasking (i know wp7 is capable of multitasking, but wat i want is having the game to resume to its window without reloading another 1 min..)
12) screen capture (i want to show off my screen to my frens!
13) able to off the hot keys below my screen, when ever i play game, my fingers will touch it accidentally then everything in my games will be gone!
thats it for now! =D
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Excellent list of wants! You won't get 'em. Well...at least not all of them...for a very long time. You'll likely be tired of your WP7 device long before you see the majority of those items and be looking at moving on to something new.
But hey! If you do hang on long enough, you'll get the majority of them.

lekki said:
1/. Coming in NoDo, whenever the hell that is. Well documented, read about it.
2/. Do you stare at your phone? I never understood this
3/. People work hard to make their tiles. It's actually up to them to give that option anyway, not MS. Case in point, Pin to Start.
4/. While you can't do it without dev-unlocking, can be done easily with TouchXplorer
5/.Agreed, but that's not MS's fault either. Blame OEMs
6/. Apparently it's a feature, an annoying one, but a feature none-the-less.
7/. The HD7 has dual LED flashlights.
8/. What game is $10.99?
9/. Bing search is more accurate than Google search because it uses Google search and other algorithims.
10/. A to B
11/. Mango update whenever that is. Also well documented.
12/. Whenever that app happens, it happens. Maybe you can code it for us?
13/. Don't get so excited while playing games!
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Damn, it seems like you would settle for anything microsoft gave you, and then just make up excuses even if some of these things actually would make the OS better.
2. I don't see the problem with letting someone change the background. Both iOS and Android have this function.
3. It's interesting that he mentioned that some of the stock tiles look bad. Today, I showed my friend (who's a girl) a windows phone for the first time, and her immediate reaction was that the tiles were ugly. Unfortunately, like iOS, I doubt this function will come anytime soon without "unlocking" the phone.
6. I just have to say, that this so-called feature is really annoying. I really hope they change it. Or allow us to turn it off.
8. While I don't think most games are 10.99, I believe he was making a point (and a correct one) that prices in general are much higher compared to iOS and Android. Fortunately, prices should slowly decrease once the app number increases, more developers creating games with increasing quality, and with more people realizing how refreshing WP7 is.
9. Honestly, I don't have much experience comparing Bing and Google search, but even iOS lets you change their search engines (Bing, Google and Yahoo). I'm not sure if you can on Android... anyone know?
10. Do you really not want turn-by-turn gps? Or voice directions? Those were the things I LOVED about Android. Google maps is genius. Bing maps is good, but it could be so better if it has these functions. Oh, and allow voice searching for maps. (Edit: I actually tried A-to-B... that application is pretty bad. It's slow and looks pretty unprofessional. But hey, it's free)
13. I'm really surprised more people in general don't want physical buttons. I'm a big fan of the single, depressed button that Apple uses. It allows the phone to stay flat and still not by hypersensitive to accidental brushes of the finger. I'd like to think that older people (maybe >40 years old) would be more receptive to these new OSs if more phones had physical buttons (not necessary just one). But that's just me hypothesizing.