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If i create appointments on the phone and save them, they are put in outlook out box and not sent. I ave gmail imap setup and cant seem to get it to take over for the calendar. Current rom in sig
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If i create appointments on the phone and save them, they are put in outlook out box and not sent. I ave gmail imap setup and cant seem to get it to take over for the calendar. Current rom in sig
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I have a really really awesome answer for you.
Don't setup your email anymore, just go here:
http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=138636
This will setup an Exchange-like server and will enable you to do that. At least I am pretty sure that isn't what you are already doing, because this will setup the email and sync Calendar, Contacts and Email with PUSH. Let me know if you need any help.
I dont think you understood the problem, but thanks for reading and suggesting something.
Part of the issue is resolved. We can now add to the calendar and it sends the email to those attendee's we add to that event, thru our gmail accounts. How i fixed that was going into the office folder and using the calendar link in there. In menu/tool/options, appointments page, there is a "send meeting requests via: (email account)". I just changed it from outlook email to our gmail account. So now it sends them out with the gmail account rather than sitting in the outlook outbox.
THE NEXT ISSUE is that when anyone sends you a meeting request, from outlook(pc) OR from the phones calendar thru gmail, if you recieve that request on the phone, there are no buttons to "accept/tentative/decline/propose new time", like there is in outlook pc. It just comes in as a regular email that looks very useless. The only way to accept or decline is to read the email in outlook on the pc where you have buttons "accept/tentative/decline/propose new time".
carhigh said:
I dont think you understood the problem, but thanks for reading and suggesting something.
Part of the issue is resolved. We can now add to the calendar and it sends the email to those attendee's we add to that event, thru our gmail accounts. How i fixed that was going into the office folder and using the calendar link in there. In menu/tool/options, appointments page, there is a "send meeting requests via: (email account)". I just changed it from outlook email to our gmail account. So now it sends them out with the gmail account rather than sitting in the outlook outbox.
THE NEXT ISSUE is that when anyone sends you a meeting request, from outlook(pc) OR from the phones calendar thru gmail, if you recieve that request on the phone, there are no buttons to "accept/tentative/decline/propose new time", like there is in outlook pc. It just comes in as a regular email that looks very useless. The only way to accept or decline is to read the email in outlook on the pc where you have buttons "accept/tentative/decline/propose new time".
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Actually, I did understand the issue.
You aren't setting the email up correctly. If it is showing up as Gmail, and not Outlook it isn't setup for Exchange. You need to remove that account and follow my link to setup Exchange features...
Im not following you on this exchange stuff. What does an exchange have to do with poutlook not showing an email with the same options as outlook on the pc?
ok i just set this up on phone. active sync on phone says attention required.
result: the config on your exchange server prevents you from sync'ing. please contact your serv admin.
BUT getting and sending email is working right. Syncing is working for email.
Creating a calendar event and adding attenees is not working at all now. The emails never go out. Sending an event to myself from my wifes phone somes into the phone the (no good). But comes into my outlook pc correctly
Setting up sync has its own issues. I sent an event from my phone to my wifes phone. Oh joy, i get an html page i can accept with on her imap email.
I accepted it on the wifes phone and it NEVER went onto her calendar on the phone. Which leads me to beleive she must have sync setup too. What a joke!!!!!
It would be so much easier if google mail would include the MS office option buttons for reading and responding to event emails.
Not only that, but now i have to create events either on the phone, or in google cal. I can not setup events in outlook and have them all sync UNLESS i pay and use google apps.
Google has a big problem with MS. If i send an event to a google account, if i read that event email in gmail, its also striped of any way to open or respond.
The way this works best if WANTING to use gmail and outlook, while still wanting to use outlook for events cal, is to only reply, respond or accept events within outlook on the pc.
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You have to ONLY select Contacts, Calendar and Mail. Try that and let me know if you still get that Att Required... Also, if all else fails I can give you my email and we can test it that way.
i've got my own beautiful desire.
wonderfuk thing, but i've got a problem.
i've got 3 email accounts from hotmail and 1 gmail in my phone.
it all works great, and i like it very much.
except for 1 thing, if a delete a message on the server, my phone still saves it.
i want it so sync and delete the messages that are removed from the server.
i check my mail during the day with my phone, at night i check it on my laptop.
there are often emails in my inbox that are rubish, so i delete them.
usually i do this at night (don't know why, but i just like to do my paperwork at night).
so when i want to check my email during the day, my phone syncs with the account i select but still shows all the email i deleted.
so i have to manually delete them from my phone.
i hate this stupid way they made this.
why in *****'s name would i want to save a message that i deleted from the server?
does anybody have a solution to this problem?
because there aren't a lot of good email clients for android.
supervinnie40 said:
i've got my own beautiful desire.
wonderfuk thing, but i've got a problem.
i've got 3 email accounts from hotmail and 1 gmail in my phone.
it all works great, and i like it very much.
except for 1 thing, if a delete a message on the server, my phone still saves it.
i want it so sync and delete the messages that are removed from the server.
i check my mail during the day with my phone, at night i check it on my laptop.
there are often emails in my inbox that are rubish, so i delete them.
usually i do this at night (don't know why, but i just like to do my paperwork at night).
so when i want to check my email during the day, my phone syncs with the account i select but still shows all the email i deleted.
so i have to manually delete them from my phone.
i hate this stupid way they made this.
why in *****'s name would i want to save a message that i deleted from the server?
does anybody have a solution to this problem?
because there aren't a lot of good email clients for android.
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+ 1 here; my deleted emails are also shown :-(
What type of email you have setup?
POP3, IMAP?
POP3 will not delete emails (if you delete an email from server, it will stay on the device, and vice versa).
In IMAP, if you delete email from server, it will be deleted from the device too (or vice versa -> device-server, on the next sync)
like is said, it's hotmail so it's pop3.
who came up with the brilliant idea to sync imap and not sync pop3?
again, one of those things i so ****ing hate with software.
why does my windows vista mail program (on the laptop) sync beautifully with my account, but not my android mail program?
is android just to retarded to understand how to sync with pop3?
the day somebody comes up with a program that just works.....
it just pisses me off that nothing with the desire is made to be just right, every little rotten thing needs tweaking to make it work right.
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What type of email you have setup?
POP3, IMAP?
POP3 will not delete emails (if you delete an email from server, it will stay on the device, and vice versa).
In IMAP, if you delete email from server, it will be deleted from the device too (or vice versa -> device-server, on the next sync)
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..hm I came from a windows mobile device and I synched the same account; deleting an email in outlook has been also deleted on the device - and vice versa!
It's not about android, Desire, or Windows XP. It's how POP3 works.
Even if you setup the same account on 2 different PCs as POP3, you wont be able to delete emails from one PC to the other.
What I suggest is enabling IMAP on gmail and see how it goes.
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..hm I came from a windows mobile device and I synched the same account; deleting an email in outlook has been also deleted on the device - and vice versa!
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If it's a gmail account and it used to work on WM but not on Android, then I would delete and re-add the account. My gmail account works great. I delete or mark as read an email on my PC or webmail, and the same goes to my Desire on the next sync.
If we're talking about personal domain (not gmail, hotmail...), then during setup in the Mail application choose the IMAP protocol.
that still deosn't solve the issue with hotmail on the desire.
hotmail is pop3, doesn't do imap.
but it works great with windows mobile.
on android it works like it's just rubbish.
I don't know about that really, I don't use hotmail.
I use gmail, and personal domain/server.
I hope someone else can help you with your hotmail issue.
so nobody knows anything about this?
they can figure out how to get the bleu led to switch on and off, but nobody can make a tweak so hotmail gets synced properly?
I think it's because in the WinMob email app you can tell it to download emails from the last 3 days and anything older disappears automatically.
The Android email apps don't do this but you can set them to delete emails from the server so if you delete the email on your phone it will delete it from the server but you can't do it the other way round.
has anyone found a solution for this.
Starting to annoy me now as well
Hey all. I switched over from BB and I love everything about the Incredible except for 1 thing....email. I have my personal email and my work email set up through Gmail (under Accounts & Settings Tab) and I followed the How-To that was put up over at Android Central to use as a push server. Well the problem I have is that when Gmail checks, or fetches whatever it is, it will not grab all the new email that has come in. I travel alot and I rely on my phone to get my messages and unfortunately this one has let me down time after time. I am rooted and I have tried 4 different ROM's, cleared cache in gmail app, along with deleting and readding my accounts. I missed a couple important emails that required a quick reply to get a job but Gmail never got them (online or sent to my phone), it did grab a few messages after that, but missed 5 or 6 again. Any ideas??? If I use the HTC Stock email app I usually set it to check every 15 minutes but that is really hard on my battery. Thanks for any input
Gmail is PUSH there are no options to set check frequency and so forth. Make sure that in Accounts & Sync you have auto-sync and background sync enabled (these are universal features).
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Gmail is PUSH there are no options to set check frequency and so forth. Make sure that in Accounts & Sync you have auto-sync and background sync enabled (these are universal features).
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Both of those are checked. The frequency check I was talking about is in the stock email app, not the Gmail App. I understand that Gmail is Push, but what I don't understand is why it will get some emails and not others. There is no reasoning behind (same domain, etc.), I did apply a filter so that nothing goes to spam but it hasn't helped at all. Thanks for the reply though, any other ideas?
Do you have multiple e-mail addresses going to the same place?
I would disable POP and IMAP features in gmail options (on your PC). If you do that you won't be able to use Outlook or e-mail clients but you will be able to check your mail in a browser and on your phone with push.
If that still doesn't work then try separating your work e-mail. Have your gmail on your phone be strictly gmail, and then have your work email go to a different folder and have that setup with imap, pop, exchange, or whatever your work email has. This is how I do it.
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Do you have multiple e-mail addresses going to the same place?
I would disable POP and IMAP features in gmail options (on your PC). If you do that you won't be able to use Outlook or e-mail clients but you will be able to check your mail in a browser and on your phone with push.
If that still doesn't work then try separating your work e-mail. Have your gmail on your phone be strictly gmail, and then have your work email go to a different folder and have that setup with imap, pop, exchange, or whatever your work email has. This is how I do it.
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I'll give it a try. Thanks for the recommendation!
I've added a Google account to my WP7 (Using the Google, not Exchange/Outlook method). Emails sync to it fine but when I delete them from the phone: they aren't getting deleted in Gmail itself. I've waited maybe 30 minutes... Is this normal and I have to use Exchange/Outlook or what?
Edit- Ahh never mind. Apparently the "Delete" function does not trigger a sync... I manually sync it and they go away.
Yah it won't sync and delete off server right away. I'm pretty sure its based off the account sync setting. If you have it receive mail every 30mins, maybe thats when it will sync the deleted items as well. I just tested it, and it took about 1 minute for it to delete off server (mine is set to receive mail as it comes in). That way it doesn't sync every time you delete one email, then again when you delete another, it waits a certain amount of time then sync's the changes.
With my Yahoo, which can only be set for every 15mins as the fastest, I think thats when it does it.
That's exactly how mine's set, too, but since I didn't have any emails come in after I deleted it- it never sync'd.
GMail on Android didn't act like this- it'd go ahead and process item moves, deletes, etc... right away.
Yah I remember that on my Android as well. It was nice, but not really necessary to be instantaneous. Maybe they will implement that in the future?
You said yours wouldn't even sync the deleted items at the chosen sync interval because there was no new mail? Mine deletes from the server, new mail or not.
No, I meant mine is set to push. No new mail = no sync trigger.
If I set it on an interval it would but then it's not push.
For me i always have to tap the sync icon before quitting the mail ...
.... and so far its going good.
edit....running some tests
Deleting email messages from your phone does not delete them from Gmail (it does not move them to the Trash folder/label), even after syncing. If you log in to your Gmail account online, you will still find all of the "deleted" messages in All Mail.
This is due in part to the way the WP7 client works, but also because of the way Gmail implements folders as labels. Basically, all the WP7 client does is tell Gmail to remove the Inbox label from the message. In Gmail, that is not the same as deleting it. The Trash label is special in Gmail, and applying that label causes all other labels (including the All Mail label) to be removed, and the message gets flagged for permanent removal after 30 days.
If you delete messages on your phone, you will need to periodically log into your Gmail account through a browser to purge the old mail from All Mail, or it will continue to sit there. It's actually pretty easy to tell which messages in All Mail have been deleted by phone, because there will be no Inbox label indicator on them.
Well it's working at me..
You have to config imap at your wp7. That is the only way to sync correctly
RoboDad said:
Deleting email messages from your phone does not delete them from Gmail (it does not move them to the Trash folder/label), even after syncing. If you log in to your Gmail account online, you will still find all of the "deleted" messages in All Mail.
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I'm not complaining about the Delete vs Archive thing. I actually like the way that works.
I'm complaining that when I Archive, Delete, Move, whatever... On Gmail on Android... The function gets synced. It doesn't want until a new sync, like on WP7.
OK, that makes sense. When I first set up my Google account on my phone, I used the as items arrive sync setting, and deletes were synced immediately. I'm not sure why it didn't work for you. But that was a while ago, so maybe something has changed.
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No, I meant mine is set to push. No new mail = no sync trigger.
If I set it on an interval it would but then it's not push.
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The only PUSH for GMail is using Google Sync, which is ActiveSync, which means you have to set it up like an Exchange Server. Using IMAP is not PUSH, and POP3 certainly isn't.
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Deleting email messages from your phone does not delete them from Gmail (it does not move them to the Trash folder/label), even after syncing. If you log in to your Gmail account online, you will still find all of the "deleted" messages in All Mail.
This is due in part to the way the WP7 client works, but also because of the way Gmail implements folders as labels. Basically, all the WP7 client does is tell Gmail to remove the Inbox label from the message. In Gmail, that is not the same as deleting it. The Trash label is special in Gmail, and applying that label causes all other labels (including the All Mail label) to be removed, and the message gets flagged for permanent removal after 30 days.
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It has nothing to do with how WP7's client works. It works like any other IMAP client. Yahoo! tried the "WP7 Client" excuse and lost that battle. It's 100% due to Google's folder implementation. Most IMAP clients have to be coded specifically to work with Google's servers, because they use basically a proprietary label/folder structure due to their Label system (which is designed first and foremost for browser use, not client use).
GMail is a nightmare to work with in an IMAP client (many people agree, those who are used to it won't really care to agree or disagree).
If you delete messages on your phone, you will need to periodically log into your Gmail account through a browser to purge the old mail from All Mail, or it will continue to sit there. It's actually pretty easy to tell which messages in All Mail have been deleted by phone, because there will be no Inbox label indicator on them.
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That's cause All Mail is your real inbox, and Google does nothing but adds flags to mails. These flags correspond to labels and the only thing you see in the other folder are really copies of the other mail. When working with GMail through a web client it doesn't copy anything, it just sort of links everything, so if you delete a mail it simply removes the labels and moves the real item from All Mail to Trash.
Since standard IMAP clients do not support labels, they have to create a folder for each label and download a copy of that message in each of those folders. Furthermore, since they don't support the labels (again), when you delete an email from Work the IMAP client is dumb and has no clue that Work is only a Label and that same mail is also flagged for "Marketing" and "Travel", as well as "All Mail."
So, you end up with the Work copy going to your IMAP client Trash (not the Gmail Trash), and a copy still sitting in "All Mail", "Marketing", and "Travel."
When you perform a sync/reconcile the GMail servers may see the "Work" email is gone, but it doesn't mean delete this mail to the Gmail Servers. It means "Remove this Label from this email." And going by that statement, I can confirm that your information is wrong about knowing which mail was deleted. For people with Filters on their Gmail Account and nested Labels (Social Networks/Facebook etc.) it will only remove the Label that corresponds to the folder you deleted the email from in MOST IMAP clients (some code to work with Google's service in a specific manner). Most IMAP clients (even Microsoft Outlook, and IIRC Mozilla Thunderbird as well) had to push out major updates to their apps to cope with GMail's IMAP implementation (or rather, the Folder to IMAP coupling of GMail).
They have to map the IMAP Trash Folder to Gmail's Trash folder and make sure the emails are properly linked so that when one is deleted, everything goes to trash which stops the user's All Mail folder from growing to a ridiculous size (and is terrible for Junk Mail that gets through the Junk Filter and may be labeled). Should not have to jump into two clients just to delete an email
That is why you have to do twice the work.
Gmail is terrible for IMAP because it forces most IMAP clients (unless specifically coded to handle Google's service) to download a ton of redundant data and the folder structures are terrible.
It has nothing to do with WP7's client...
POP3 with GMail in Outlook, etc. with a fast (i.e. 5-10min) Poll Time is great (their servers are stable and fast). IMAP? Terrible...
Use AIM with IMAP and that's the way most services work. When you delete the mail, it actually deletes, and the folder structures are uniform and pretty much standard.
Google does this because they datamine emails (they don't personally read them, but they data mine them for targetted advertising, etc.). It's also why they had to make a specific GMail app for Android, even though Google Mail supports POP3, IMAP4, and ActiveSync (with HTML Mail support).
So, to end this long boring post... That's why I find it better to use POP3 or ActiveSync for GMail. IMAP with Gmail forces your phone to download a lot of redundant data which ups the battery life implications of GMail IMAP compared to i.e. AOL/AIM Mail IMAP (Yahoo! is terrible, and I haven't used it in ages so I cannot attest to how well theirs is implimented even without the data leak issue).
I know how Google handles it. I like how they do it. It fits in with their philosophy of, "Archive, don't Delete"... So for me, if using another client- clients don't have an "Archive" button, just a "Delete" button.
If I'm using Gmail in another client, I want my emails Archived, not Deleted (current behavior). I'd be pissed if Delete actually moved them to Trash.
So my gripe is not Google in that regard at all. I both like and understand why they do it.
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The only PUSH for GMail is using Google Sync, which is ActiveSync, which means you have to set it up like an Exchange Server. Using IMAP is not PUSH, and POP3 certainly isn't.
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The downside to that is you lose your calendar, right?
I think I could manage that. I don't need Calendar SYNC (I never refer to it on a desktop or anything)- I just need it backed up. So I can add my Calendar via my Live account.
I might do this method. It begs the question though, what method does the "Google Account" use in the background?? Something like IMAP?
Edit- well shoot... The Active Sync Google connection syncs the calendar, too. What the hell is the "Google Account" advantage, then?
I all,
I search to set up my inbox for delete really delete my mails, no archive.
My account was set up as a "GMAIL account", I have tried with activesync account too since I have read this thread but ... it's the same problem
No "Archive" menu, juste "delete", and no way to really delete ?
Is somebody have a solution?
Thanks.
See my post over on Microsoft Answers for a solution/workaround. Duplicated below as I am unable to post links due to being a new member!
The problem is with Gmail not MS, although MS could probably implement a 'fix' to workaround the problem that is Google's making, as some have suggested Apple may have done, but I have no experience of this as I do not use Apple products full stop.
Anyhow, there is a way to get this to work simply and reliably, although it does not work via Exchange ActiceSync, or at least I have not figured out a way of doing this yet.
If Gmail is set up via the WP7 inbuilt Exchange ActiceSync, uncheck email synchronisation under account settings, but leave Contact and Calendar checked if you use these. You will lose the Gmail Inbox.
Now, create a new account and enter the IMAP settings for Google and set your synchronisation interval as required. Your Gmail Inbox will reappear.
However, you're not done yet. You now, need to go into the Web interface for Gmail, go to Settings/Labels and untick Show in IMAP next to All Mail.
Now, goto Forwarding and POP/IMAP. Ensure IMAP is enabled, select Auto- Expunge off and then Move the message to the Bin, below it.
Now when you delete a message on WP7 they will appear under the Deleted Items label, but can easily be cleaned up to the Bin periodically via the web interface. Playing around with these settings will hopefully get you the behaviour you require. This particular way works well for me, as I it still gives me a recovery option if I accidentally delete something on my phone. The downside is that you essentially get two Recyle Bins in the web interface.
If someone works out how to do this via Exchange ActiveSync, or manages to refine this further, please let me know.
It's not perfect, but it does work. I hope this helps someone...
i have searched all over google already..
So on my S3 i been using the stock email app. i have a hotmail account, same one for years. Every so often when i check my emails they automatically get deleted or disappear. So i log onto my hotmail.com or now "outlook" on my computer and all my emails that disappear move into a POP folder, thats why their not showing up on my phone. I have tried going to more options, and POP and deleting emails settings on my hotmail options.. changed it to what people suggest, and still the same thing happens. Its starting to really piss me off.
I have not tried k-9 email, i would like to use that as a final resort. i like the stock email app, i would just like someone to help me please with this, usually i can figure these things out but i have been banging my head on this for the past month now. Anyone else had this issue? what settings do i need to change on my phone? or on my hotmail account?
Any help would be much appreciated!
thanks!
Anyone? or XDA not the place to ask about these things?
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Anyone? or XDA not the place to ask about these things?
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Have you tried searching Google Play for Outlook App?
Yes. i have seen that app, but like i said before i would like to use the stock email app. If i download the Outlook app it will still put my emails in a POP folder. Plus the Outlook app is ****... and has ****ty reviews.
[email protected] said:
So on my S3 i been using the stock email app. i have a hotmail account, same one for years. Every so often when i check my emails they automatically get deleted or disappear. So i log onto my hotmail.com or now "outlook" on my computer and all my emails that disappear move into a POP folder, thats why their not showing up on my phone. I have tried going to more options, and POP and deleting emails settings on my hotmail options.. changed it to what people suggest, and still the same thing happens. Its starting to really piss me off.
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Hi!
In Outlook.com, if you go to More mail settings -> POP and deleting downloaded messages, there are two options for POP syncing:
- Don't let another program delete messages from Outlook. (If your other program is set to "delete messages from the server," we'll simply move them to a special POP folder. They won't be deleted.)
- Do what my other program says—if it says to delete messages, then delete them.
Basically, this happens because POP3 is an unidirectionnal way to communicate between a mail client and a mail server. When the client connects to the server, the server sends all the mails he has to the client. Then the server waits for an instruction from the client: either to delete or not the messages the client has successfully received. As POP3 is unidirectionnal, it can't send a "delete" instruction to the server when you delete a message in your client: it's all or nothing. This was useful when storage space in mailboxes was limited -- when you have a local copy of your mails in your computer, then there is no need to keep a copy in the server, and it frees storage space --, but nowadays, most mailboxes have plenty of space, so there is no need to delete mails from the server.
The last option will obey to what your client send to your mail server: if your client tells the server to delete all the received mails, then Hotmail/Outlook.com will delete straightforward the said mails. On the other hand, the first option won't obey your client's instruction -- and if I'm correct, that's the default configuration in Outlook.com; instead of deleting the mails, Hotmail/Outlook.com will simply move them to a special "POP" folder for you to manually decide later what to do with them in your webmail.
Having those informations, you then may want to check what are your actual Email app's configuration about received mails and selecting your prefered option in Outlook.com. But I believe there is a better option for mail syncing.
What I may suggest you is to add your Hotmail/Outlook.com email account as an Exchange ActiveSync account, instead of a classic POP3 account. This way, you have bi-directionnal communication with your mail account -- a per-mail control of your emails --, push notifications -- you will receive mails as they arrive in your inbox --, access to all your email folders -- you are not limited to your inbox only -- and you can sync your contacts' informations in your Android address book with the infos from your email account.
To do that:
1. Open your Email app in Android;
2. Go to Settings;
(2.2 Optional -- You may want to delete your actual Hotmail/Outlook.com account from the app. It's not necessary, and you may want to do it only at the end of this procedure, when you see your Exchange setup working.)
3. In Settings, add a new email account;
4. Enter your Hotmail/Outlook.com email address in the account field and your password in the password field. Then, press Manual setup;
5. Select Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync type account;
6. Click Next -- there is no need to change the default settings;
7. At the Account options screen, again, no real need to change anything, though you *may* want to change Period to sync Email to access older emails. Then, click Next;
8. Type a name for your email account to appear in Email app, then you're done!