Hi, I've seen that if I desactivated the built in start menu, my free ram was 30 mb more (really !) and as I use manila quicklinks, its not a problem for me to go where I want, then I think desactivate windows start menu in wm 6.5, 6.5.x builds would be very useful for device poor in ram (like mine) so is there a way to desactivate it ?
- I found a provisional way by changing the shellres.192.dll by one from a taskar theme (because it blocks the start menu launching, but the taskbars icons are not working too, not practical...) Has someone an idea to desactivate without changing this dll ?
thx in advance !
Arto
anyone have an idea? I thought it's a very interesting thing...
clear adequate CPR's(2), make sr.
i could recommend using quick menu + startbutton(menu overrider) + few reg fixes(for regaining missing entries with qm), otherwise you may meet annoying problem if logo is clicked(loop zero effect process problem and no menu at all, of course then).
you may gain c.a. 2, 2.5 mb of ram and make sys lighter in general by that.
if you are cook, you may remove m$ start menu AND then remove these feeble icons(as these are not used at all) from sys.
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clear adequate CPR's(2), make sr.
i could recommend using quick menu + startbutton(menu overrider) + few reg fixes(for regaining missing entries with qm), otherwise you may meet annoying problem if logo is clicked(loop zero effect process problem and no menu at all, of course then).
you may gain c.a. 2, 2.5 mb of ram and make sys lighter in general by that.
if you are cook, you may remove m$ start menu AND then remove these feeble icons(as these are not used at all) from sys.
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thx for your answer, yes I would cook with this tweak, where I can find the start menu module in SYS ?
- thats a good Idea to redirect start button on quickmenu , have you some precision about this way?
- deleting the .cpr would make start menu not loading all png and icons? (that's the problem for the ram I think)
- yes use the icons because there are visible from manila quicklincks and I need the registry strings in startinfo
thx again for your help
where I can find the start menu module in SYS ?
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you CANNOT. it is embedded into, i dont know, shell32, or aygshell, imho. method below is way for desactivating it(whole honeycomb), just that(and it is ENOUGH).
- deleting the .cpr would make start menu not loading all png and icons? (that's the problem for the ram I think)
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not deleting, just erasing its contents(with notepad).
Icons WONT be cached and no start menu is available too(well, more like m$ menu is not, hm, activated, but HOOK IS(so, erased cprs may lead to weird ugly loop when you click logo/start, so startbutton is needed to overtake that hook)).
I have no idea about manila, never used it, but i assume that if it is using these icons, icons could be still cached(upd: BUT still, you will gain RAM, as honeycomb engine is not started).
names of cpr files to be cleared(for qvga) with notepad:
StartMenu_Global_240x320.cpr
StartMenu_Global_320x240.cpr
StartMenu_GridScene_240x320.cpr
StartMenu_GridScene_320x240.cpr
- thats a good Idea to redirect start button on quickmenu , have you some precision about this way?
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search for startbutton on xdadev(upd: i added sb in attachment).
its behaviour is determined by something like this:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\allelimo\StartButton]
"HookWinKey"=""
"HookText"="1"
"Run"="\\Windows\\QuickMenu.exe"
as you can see, you may use whatever you like to be launched by logo/"start" TEXT.
Startbutton needs shortcut in windows/startup to be activated.
btw, remember to make reg entries for undetermined CPLs, 6.5.x messed these up(so, i.e. "home" - ex-"today", and few more won't be visible in qm settings submenu without regfix).
Cannot help you with that one as my device uses nontypical reg for CPLs(different from htc method).
yes I would cook with this tweak
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if you want to cook this in, you may want to make trick with initflashfiles.dat then:
make EMPTY txt(i.e. Honeycomb_off.txt), throw it into any oem.
then add sth like this to initflashfiles.dat(or initflashfile.txt):
Directory("\Windows\Startup\"):-File("startbutton.lnk","\Windows\startbutton.lnk")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_Global_240x320.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_Global_320x240.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_GridScene_240x320.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_GridScene_320x240.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
Thank you for this great answer ! I will try this and report my results !
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make EMPTY txt(i.e. Honeycomb_off.txt), throw it into any oem.
then add sth like this to initflashfiles.dat(or initflashfile.txt):
Directory("\Windows\Startup\"):-File("startbutton.lnk","\Windows\startbutton.lnk")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_Global_240x320.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_Global_320x240.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_GridScene_240x320.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_GridScene_320x240.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
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Nice answer!
I have a different question for you related to the honeycomb.txt
personally i like the start menu of WM6.5.x, but the one thing i cannot stand is the honeycomb effect, do you know of a way to change the honeycomb so that the icons appear in a straight line, like a grid?
eg 5 collumns across and then X rows down.
thanks in advance
MG
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Method by Mietas.
personally i like the start menu of WM6.5.x, but the one thing i cannot stand is the honeycomb effect, do you know of a way to change the honeycomb so that the icons appear in a straight line, like a grid?
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Unfortunately, i do not remember.
I modded honeycomb in such way once(but one column), then i decicded to not use hc at all(as a matter of fact i got rid of 6.5).
I am certain that i saw few methods of such mods here, on xdadev.
If i remember right it is matter of grid cprs reedits(mainly these bolded ones) +new ellipsis gfx:
<GridView ID="Start Menu Items List" Top="0" Left="0" Width="240" Height="268" Columns="3" Scrollable="TRUE" HexagonGrid="TRUE" HorizontalWrapAround="TRUE">
<Image ID="Selection" Left="0" Top="-15" Width="96" Height="79" Source=".\StartMenu_Selection.png" />
<Layer ID="GridItem" Width="96" Height="83" OnAction ="GridItemAction">
<Layer ID="Normal">
<Image ID="Image" Left="25" Top="2" Width="45" Height="45" ScaleStyle="Fit" />
<Text ID="Text" Left="9" Top="49" Width="78" Height="34" FontFamily="Tahoma" FontSize="7" HorizontalAlignment="Center" VerticalAlignment="Top" Wrap="True" Trimming="EllipsisCharacter" ForeColor="#00FFFFFF" BackColor="#00000000" />
</Layer>
</Layer>
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HC is quite moddable, as you can see, shame it is mem hungry.
upd: on a second thought, hmm, i am not sure, if it is possible(i mean more, than ONE column of items in such way as you were asking for). You asked for something like "Settings" panel look in 6.1, hard to say, if it's possible.
If it is, i t may be related to:
HexagonGrid="FALSE" + ..something.
Thank you, I cleaned the cpr files and I installed a cab to hide the start button in wm 6.5.x, thats perfect ! !
Thanks Pupacota! I have assigned my Start menu to MMAppLauncher!
If you want to make it work even with WM soft button, you might wanna try instead of using SetWindowLong on HHTaskBar, use it on MSSTARTMENU and when message WM_ACTIVATE received, don't pass it through and just launch the app. I wanted to do it, but I forgot. Plus I don't have any good replacement done yet.
This should work
Thanks Pupacota! I have assigned my Start menu to MMAppLauncher!
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i am glad i could help.
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If you want to make it work even with WM soft button, you might wanna try instead of using SetWindowLong on HHTaskBar, use it on MSSTARTMENU and when message WM_ACTIVATE received, don't pass it through and just launch the app. I wanted to do it, but I forgot. Plus I don't have any good replacement done yet.
This should work
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When you say "WM soft button", do you mean the top left corner of the screen (WM6.5)? If so, I don't want to do that because I have Ariel Battery there. Thanks for the tip though.
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Hey guys. Whipped this thing up to help people choose the panels that can be displayed on the homescreen. So far it only contains 7 entries, the ones I found on my phone. You can turn the panels off or on, by selecting a panel and typing it "off" or "on" respectively. After you make the changes, you need to reboot to see the changes. The last option will make that easier for you. Choose "Reboot", type "yes" and it will reboot for you. Let me know if there's any other panel names you would like me to add, or if you find any bugs. Thanks!
Look good but isn't this just like the chome settings (neoOrder) that is in Rockys ROM where you can enable and disable the windows you want and change which position they are in on the screen?
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Look good but isn't this just like the chome settings (neoOrder) that is in Rockys ROM where you can enable and disable the windows you want and change which position they are in on the screen?
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Everyone isn't running rickwyatt's ROM. Some are still with Kavana's. Like me.
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Everyone isn't running rickwyatt's ROM. Some are still with Kavana's. Like me.
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ohh ok I didn't know that it wasn't in Kavana's ROM I have never flashed one of his just Rickys .. my bad
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ohh ok I didn't know that it wasn't in Kavana's ROM I have never flashed one of his just Rickys .. my bad
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To Clyde: It's cool. Contrary to popular belief, there are still some users that are on Kavana's ROMs. lol I have no problem with rickwyatt's, but I found them to have too many apps and tweaks that I found unnecessary for me personally.
To Org (and anyone who'll listen): This is great idea for those who aren't quite comfortable with editing their .xml files to rearrange the slider panels (like me)! I've noticed that many users have a panel called "My Programs". What do I need to do to create this? I think it's a really useful tool to "slide" straight through the programs you use on a regular basis. I've already read tons of posts on this, but it's not registering. Thanks in advance, guys.
It's difficult to sit here and do a step by step, but I'll point you in the right direction and answer your questions later.
1) Download a registry editor or use the one on the phone.
2) First off, keep in mind there's TWO places in the registry where you need to make changes. One is HKLM\Security\Chome\DefaultSettings\CWelcomeCenter and HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Chome\CWelcomeCenter
3) Look for a key that says "Disabled" and make sure it doesn't say "1". Or use my utility to turn the welcome center on.
4) When you're in the registry you'll find Page1, Page2, Page3 etc etc in both places. Each Page represents ONE slide. For each page you can makes changes such as... ACTIONURL is the path to the program you want to execute when hitting the middle button. for example "\program files\NRG\Chomeweathersettings\weather.exe" will run the weather program
SK2URL is the same, but for the right softkey. SK2Text is a label for that softkey. The "pictures" key points to the .png file you will be using as an icon for your program. Right now it probably says "2500". Change it to "\windows\weather.png" and you'll get the weather icon in its place, for example. The Title text is self descriptive... put in whatever you want the title of the slide to be.
I hope you can figure it out from here
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It's difficult to sit here and do a step by step, but I'll point you in the right direction and answer your questions later.
1) Download a registry editor or use the one on the phone.
2) First off, keep in mind there's TWO places in the registry where you need to make changes. One is HKLM\Security\Chome\DefaultSettings\CWelcomeCenter and HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Chome\CWelcomeCenter
3) Look for a key that says "Disabled" and make sure it doesn't say "1". Or use my utility to turn the welcome center on.
4) When you're in the registry you'll find Page1, Page2, Page3 etc etc in both places. Each Page represents ONE slide. For each page you can makes changes such as... ACTIONURL is the path to the program you want to execute when hitting the middle button. for example "\program files\NRG\Chomeweathersettings\weather.exe" will run the weather program
SK2URL is the same, but for the right softkey. SK2Text is a label for that softkey. The "pictures" key points to the .png file you will be using as an icon for your program. Right now it probably says "2500". Change it to "\windows\weather.png" and you'll get the weather icon in its place, for example. The Title text is self descriptive... put in whatever you want the title of the slide to be.
I hope you can figure it out from here
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Thanks a bunch, man. I'm gonna finagle with this as soon as I get off.
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It's difficult to sit here and do a step by step, but I'll point you in the right direction and answer your questions later.
1) Download a registry editor or use the one on the phone.
2) First off, keep in mind there's TWO places in the registry where you need to make changes. One is HKLM\Security\Chome\DefaultSettings\CWelcomeCenter and HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Chome\CWelcomeCenter
3) Look for a key that says "Disabled" and make sure it doesn't say "1". Or use my utility to turn the welcome center on.
4) When you're in the registry you'll find Page1, Page2, Page3 etc etc in both places. Each Page represents ONE slide. For each page you can makes changes such as... ACTIONURL is the path to the program you want to execute when hitting the middle button. for example "\program files\NRG\Chomeweathersettings\weather.exe" will run the weather program
SK2URL is the same, but for the right softkey. SK2Text is a label for that softkey. The "pictures" key points to the .png file you will be using as an icon for your program. Right now it probably says "2500". Change it to "\windows\weather.png" and you'll get the weather icon in its place, for example. The Title text is self descriptive... put in whatever you want the title of the slide to be.
I hope you can figure it out from here
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I'm understanding how to read the code. Thanks for breaking it down. I'm just having trouble finding the .pngs for my icons and also (noob moment) finding the target file for certain applications. It's keeping me from being able to input the file address for ACTIONURL and SK2URL.
Not Hard to Find
Just think of your program, "Where is it stored?"
That should be your only question when finding your target file. That simple, you should look in your Program Files directory on your phone or you storage card, that will then tell you where the link is.
2ndly, you can find other programs in your startup folder. They will be listed in link format, but this is fine, the link can be treated basically as the exact file itself (as far as your phone is concerned).
Long story short, use these locations for your entries for ACTIONURL and SK2URL. Have a blast!
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I'm understanding how to read the code. Thanks for breaking it down. I'm just having trouble finding the .pngs for my icons and also (noob moment) finding the target file for certain applications. It's keeping me from being able to input the file address for ACTIONURL and SK2URL.
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Just think of your program, "Where is it stored?"
That should be your only question when finding your target file. That simple, you should look in your Program Files directory on your phone or you storage card, that will then tell you where the link is.
2ndly, you can find other programs in your startup folder. They will be listed in link format, but this is fine, the link can be treated basically as the exact file itself (as far as your phone is concerned).
Long story short, use these locations for your entries for ACTIONURL and SK2URL. Have a blast!
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Thanks, OD. I've figured out the file locations and such. I just need to know where you guys edit the .pngs for icons. I've found some icons, but they sucketh. I want them glossy and polished looking like the default icons.
By "where" , I assume you mean what programs do we use?
I use Photoshop do edit my pngs. I think other, cheaper software is available. Don't quote me on that. Photoshop can also be attained other "ways" (cough,cough).
Anyways, you can easily mod any pictures, turn them into anything you want, .png,.tga,.gif,etc. Look around.
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Thanks, OD. I've figured out the file locations and such. I just need to know where you guys edit the .pngs for icons. I've found some icons, but they sucketh. I want them glossy and polished looking like the default icons.
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By "where" , I assume you mean what programs do we use?
I use Photoshop do edit my pngs. I think other, cheaper software is available. Don't quote me on that. Photoshop can also be attained other "ways" (cough,cough).
Anyways, you can easily mod any pictures, turn them into anything you want, .png,.tga,.gif,etc. Look around.
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I understand how to make any pic a .png, .jpg, .gif, etc... It's not the icons that I need, but rather, the program. I'll search for "alternate" ways to get photoshop. lol
Rinku has a pretty good description on how to add CProgs on his blog. It at the bottom of the page.
Thanks guys for all your help and input! I've figured it out, and in the process figured out how to change the small icons in the upper lefthand corner of the panels as well. It's kinda tedious at first, but once you get the hang of it--it's not bad.
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Thanks guys for all your help and input! I've figured it out, and in the process figured out how to change the small icons in the upper lefthand corner of the panels as well. It's kinda tedious at first, but once you get the hang of it--it's not bad.
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For photo edtiting, i use GIMP,,,, it's the same program i used to modify the yahoo weather icons for ORG...... it's free and works just as well as photoshop CS3.
Go here if you want to try. www.gimp.org
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For photo edtiting, i use GIMP,,,, it's the same program i used to modify the yahoo weather icons for ORG...... it's free and works just as well as photoshop CS3.
Go here if you want to try. www.gimp.org
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Thanks, Pudgemeister. I'll check it out.
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For photo edtiting, i use GIMP,,,, it's the same program i used to modify the yahoo weather icons for ORG...... it's free and works just as well as photoshop CS3.
Go here if you want to try. www.gimp.org
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I used GIMP for my icons, it was easy and I think they turned out quite nice. Here are a few that I found/made they all have transparent backgrounds. Feel free to use which ever you like.
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Editing Slider Panels
Does anyone know the default setting for this registry key: \HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\CHome\CMessage\ICONPATHS? I changed it trying to change the condensed icon (upper lefthand corner) for the message notifications panel. Instead, my weather panel's icon was changed. What're the default values for the key? (ex. 2xxx;2xxx)
It is 2201;2201
I believe S2U2 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=412418) is an awesome application and it's a shame A_C isn't actively trying to make it work better with smartphones, as well. So, I decided to take the last version that still works okay (for us) and prepackage all the required settings to make it work right and look like the screenshots below.
You'll notice the weather icon at the bottom. It's updated from my miniweather application and the next release of miniweather (very soon) will have builtin support to update the weather information on S2U2's display. Keep in mind that this application has be launched manually in order to lock your phone, so it's best to use with SmartToolkit where you can assign a hotkey to launch s2u2.exe (I personally use the Spacebar with a 200ms delay).
Another way to launch is to reassign a different key, such as the tzones key, by editing the appropriate shortcut in the \windows directory, to launch s2u2.exe.
Anyway, enough blabber, here's the cab.... Please test and let me know how it works
seems to take high memory resource, so i have to kill the app after unlocking...anyway great works...
Yeah you're right... it takes about 6 megs the way I set it up. Which is a lot for an Excalibur, but not really an issue on my Blackjack with 128Mb of RAM, hehe.
Anyway, if you remove the wallpaper.gif from the gfx\ folder and maybe either use a static wallpaper or NO wallpaper, the memory usage should go down A LOT.
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Yeah you're right... it takes about 6 megs the way I set it up. Which is a lot for an Excalibur, but not really an issue on my Blackjack with 128Mb of RAM, hehe.
Anyway, if you remove the wallpaper.gif from the gfx\ folder and maybe either use a static wallpaper or NO wallpaper, the memory usage should go down A LOT.
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Haha yah well thanks for putting this together for us man...
Also if I would like to remove the weather from showing up how do I do that because I think that is eating a lot of memory too...
Also, sorry about all these questions but is there any way to have this autostart when you restart the phone, like have it autostart like a process?
You have to edit the registry to do that, but trust me, it doesnt eat up RAM at all. Anyway, go to HKCU\Software\A_C\S2u2\ and find ShowWeather and set it to 00. If you want it off the screen, just delete the "UserWeather" key.
How can we get this app to show weather for other user weather apps? lets say showaco's or outerdepth's weather apps? I have the ShowWeather key set to "5" and i have the UserWeather key as well, but theres no values in the UserWeather key and i dont see anything on my S2U2 screen with the weather on it
You talk to showaco or outderdepth and have them add one or two lines to their weather script, to update the "Userweather" key in the registry
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You talk to showaco or outderdepth and have them add one or two lines to their weather script, to update the "Userweather" key in the registry
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Ahhh .. i see....thats not too hard....but what about the weather icon...can that be done as well or just the actual weather temp?
The weather icon gets updated to the current conditions, of course. The string below it can be whatever you want it to be
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The weather icon gets updated to the current conditions, of course. The string below it can be whatever you want it to be
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well i see that there's a gfx/weather folder, but i don't see how or where it's linked in the s2u2 registry . i mean i see from your .cab that the user weather shows C|34|Fair 57F ...so your saying that since it says "Fair" it know what icon to use? and secondly i saw in your pics where it has your city "Las Vegas", yet i dont see that anywhere in the reg entries in the S2U2 keys....
Hmm I love the clean look. I just don't know if I want another screen to access my homescreen? I will have to do some more research on slide to unlock 2.
I kinda of want to read some feedback.
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well i see that there's a gfx/weather folder, but i don't see how or where it's linked in the s2u2 registry . i mean i see from your .cab that the user weather shows C|34|Fair 57F ...so your saying that since it says "Fair" it know what icon to use? and secondly i saw in your pics where it has your city "Las Vegas", yet i dont see that anywhere in the reg entries in the S2U2 keys....
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If your read the FAQ in the original S2U2 thread, you will understand how it works. "C" means "custom icons". The 34 is the file it will display "34.png" and Fair 57 is just... that.... Mine says Vegas because I'm in Vegas. I removed the Las Vegas wording from the cab, as it's irrelevant
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Hmm I love the clean look. I just don't know if I want another screen to access my homescreen? I will have to do some more research on slide to unlock 2.
I kinda of want to read some feedback.
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Well it's more like a replacement lock screen for the usual lock screen of the smartphone. With this you just push the right directional key to unlock, instead of turning the phone one, pushing the unlock softkey and then the "*" key, which is a major PITA and it always annoyed me about smartphone. PLUS you get a cool info screen that you can look at without unlocking the phone!
its working great, i cant change any of the settings tho...
would it be possible to control the slide with the joggr?
nice have to check this out when i get the wife's blackjack II
this is great tht you took the time to get this to work in d dash. i have a question ,my appoinments are not showing, the weather icon is not updating and have no idea how to activate the locking and unlocking sound.
Guys, in order to set any of the settings you need to either get SOTI Pocket controller or MyMobiler. Or, edit the registry directly with the help of FAQ shown in the main application thread
yeah, i have mymobiler and follow all the proper procedure in faq but still not showing the updated weather icon or appoinments so on
With honor to the_ape for finding the registry key HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCMenus
This allows you to modify the menu size and skin the images of the HTCMenus, as found on the new V3 TF3D, like the one in all the latest ROM's with Topaz stuff in it. See the screen prints if you are unsure what I am talking about. You need these newer menus already installed, if you not not have them yet, these settings will not install them for you.
Remark 1: Oddly though it changes the menu size for all programs, except TF3D itself....[elim]
Remark 2: Problems with menu's drawn from the top (slow with floodfill error) are solved. So it should now work with Resco, wktask, SC3. The error may still appear if you are in landscape, the menu is drawn from top and has 6 or less items. To solve that too, also restore the included bitmap to the windows directory.
The bitmaps are hardly changed (I colored 6 very critically placed pixels), but I did re-encode as monocrome & 8-bit, so the first load of the first menu should be marginally faster.
For full skinning, read post 24. But if you just want to make the menus smaller, the attached registry file will allow to fit 11 in stead of 8 menu items on a screen by reducing the tile hight from 72 to 60. To restore to the original, import the HTCMenuNormal file.
The total allowable 'Navi' + 'Item' heigth is 696 in portrait and 376 in Landscape.
Original portrait values are 72+46 which at 8 items means (46+8*72+46)=668
Original landscape values are 72+46 which at 3 items means (46+3*72+46)=308
Not only too large, but non-optimal use of space, especially in Landscape.
I use portrait values 60+18 which at 11 items is (18+11*60+18)=696 Exact!
and landscape values 57+17 which at 6 items is (17+6*57+17)=376 Exact!
So I believe these values are ideal in efficiency, large enough to select and drag, but quite a bit more menu selections (double in landscape!!). The 'Navi' is too small for the finger, but you are supposed to drag the entire menu. And they do still visualise the fact there are more menu options. Below zip file holds now these values.
Or do it manually:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\HTCMenus]
"ItemHL"="0,[B]79[/B],0,[B]6[/B]"
"ItemHW"="440,[B]60[/B],640,[B]57[/B]"
"ItemTile"="10,[B]60[/B],[B]152[/B],0,11,22,33,44,55,66,77,88,99,110,121,132,143,154,165"
"NaviHW"="440,[B]17[/B],640,[B]17[/B]"
"NaviTile"="10,[B]17[/B],[B]162[/B],200,211,222,233,244,255,266,277,288,299,310,321,332,343"
"NaviIcon"="20,[B]17[/B],[B]162[/B],354,375,396,417"
I was hoping also to find a registry setting to speed up the animation (sliding, appearing from bottom) but that I did not find yet.
Below files are registry files. You can import them using your favorite registry editor. Don't forget to also copy the bitmaps to the windows directory, To uninstall/reset, import the 'Normal' registry file, which is the values as I first found them on my Dutty's 1.8 EXTREME. The bitmaps you can leave (it does not matter) or delete (the old ROM version will re-appear)
NOTICE: Even newer TF3D (Dutty 2.2, but possibly also other recent ROMS) have slightly different settings. Co0kieMonster worked it all out nicely here, so best not use the outdated files in this thread anymore, unless if you have a really old version of Manilla.
This is a cool idea, as those menus took up the whole screen sometimes. Got any screen-shotties?
Good tips. Thank you very much.
Helps if you could give some instruction on how to use the files.
I tried changing the reg vaules (all the "item" values). It does change it smaller, but causes havoc in my Resco File explorer. When pressing the favourite button, the device freezes with no drop down menu displayed at all. I then press the menu at the bottom right, and the entire screen went hair wired for a while.
thanks for sharing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
eaglesteve said:
Good tips. Thank you very much.
Helps if you could give some instruction on how to use the files.
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There just registry files. Just import them. 'Normal' to go back to original, 'Small' to use my 10-menuline settings.
If you have .fred task manager (fdcTaskMgr) you may first have to associate .reg files so you can import. On Dutty's 1.8, this is already done. I think your resco also has a registry editor and can also import.
Or you just manually read the registry files and edit using your Resco registry editor
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I tried changing the reg vaules (all the "item" values). It does change it smaller, but causes havoc in my Resco File explorer. When pressing the favourite button, the device freezes with no drop down menu displayed at all. I then press the menu at the bottom right, and the entire screen went hair wired for a while.
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Odd. Are the menus OK in other programs? You should soft-reset between changes. Can you revert to 'normal' by importing that file and is the problem gone again?
There is a problem with the selection (see screenshot #1). I test a little bit and when I let ItemHL on the values "0,73,0,0" it works better (see #2).
I attach the changed registry file.
Update: The problem is now that this doesn't work in manila?! All other menus are smaller but in manila the entries are normal (#3).
Elim said:
There is a problem with the selection (see screenshot #1). I test a little bit and when I let ItemHL on the values "0,73,0,0" it works better (see #2).
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I had that once too, but it went away with the next reset. So I still have the ItemHL set to 58, but the select bar looks OK. So though I do not understand ItemHL, I think it may not be the cause of what you saw.
Edit: You are correct, the ItemHL needs to stay at 73, that value probably is not related to the 72 of ItemHW
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Update: The problem is now that this doesn't work in manila?! All other menus are smaller but in manila the entries are normal (#3).
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Hey, you are right. (I only use Manilla when I show of the phone, and use classic today normally) Maybe manilla uses hardcoded settings? Or some other registry settings?
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Odd. Are the menus OK in other programs? You should soft-reset between changes. Can you revert to 'normal' by importing that file and is the problem gone again?
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The problem of hair wired display is observed in Resco file explorer when you click on the favourite (Star) icon at the top right side. The device is momentarily frozen but return back with a blinking blackist menu.
If I import in the normal registry item, this problem is gone.
Okay - I LIKE the HTC menus on touchflo apps and would like to have this style menu in ALL programs (much like in Duttys rom) such as mail, calendar etc.. How can I make this happen?
But, it works only in Manila or also in all others programs (like Resco Explorer, ecc...)?
Thanks.
Kal-El said:
But, it works only in Manila or also in all others programs (like Resco Explorer, ecc...)?
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It only works in other Applications. In Manila it doesn't change anything (for me). But that's okay because only in other applications the menus are to big.
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I had that once too, but it went away with the next reset.
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Two resets?
Update: No, doesn't change.
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Hey, you are right.
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At least it's not my mistake...
eaglesteve said:
The problem of hair wired display is observed in Resco file explorer when you click on the favourite (Star) icon at the top right side. The device is momentarily frozen but return back with a blinking blackist menu.
If I import in the normal registry item, this problem is gone.
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Well, I'll see if I can get a copy of Resco and try if I can confirm. But if it is like you say, I am not sure if there is anything we can do about it. There is no programming or anything, just the menu size. If Resco is allergic to that, we may simply have to accept that.
Kal-El said:
But, it works only in Manila or also in all others programs (like Resco Explorer, ecc...)?
Thanks.
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This *does not install* any large menu program. You must already have the large menus installed, they come with the new TF3D. And you probably do not have that, otherwise you would not have asked. If you do not have them yet, these settings will not do anything for you.
But yes, once you have HTC Menus installed, they work in *all* programs that use the template Windows Mobile menu system. (I suspect HTC replaces the template menu driver or something)
PS: do not mistake "HTC Menu" with "LargeStartMenu", also by HTC. The latter has been around for a while, even as cab, but the menu replacement is rather new, and not extracted (yet)
Cheers for taking it further, I'd had a play with the size values (not long enough), and not got what I wanted.
You have to remember the defaults are probably set for the pro2 with a smaller physical screen, hence the big'nes on the HD.
Font's are dependent on the font family you use I've found.
Looks like the small font mess up wktask too, rending it impossible to terminate/close task, or go to the action menu. Restoring it to normal font cures the problem.
Great!
thanks for sharing!
HTC Menu CAB installation?
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This *does not install* any large menu program. You must already have the large menus installed, they come with the new TF3D. And you probably do not have that, otherwise you would not have asked. If you do not have them yet, these settings will not do anything for you.
But yes, once you have HTC Menus installed, they work in *all* programs that use the template Windows Mobile menu system. (I suspect HTC replaces the template menu driver or something)
PS: do not mistake "HTC Menu" with "LargeStartMenu", also by HTC. The latter has been around for a while, even as cab, but the menu replacement is rather new, and not extracted (yet)
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Ok, I understood thanks.
It is possible to obtain the CAB for this application?
I Use Finger Menu, but does not satisfy me to 100%, I prefer an application developed directly from HTC...
Still thanks.
Kal-El said:
Ok, I understood thanks.
It is possible to obtain the CAB for this application?
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I do not think anyone extracted it into a cab yet.
And I never done anything like that. It probably means finding out all the interdependencies between files, extracting said files, extracting the service settings, and building a cab. Interesting, I am willing to try when I have the time, but don't hold your breath, it may take a while.....
Really it is a very big work!
Fortunately I am a patient person...
I couldnt find an app so I wrote one.
This small app will give you the option to Save your current Settings or rather Mods to Manila/Sence or whatever you call it.
Im no good at graphics so I need someone to give me ideas on how to make it look better.
It will scan the windows folder for all *manila files that has a different date to the original Rom installation. It will take all these files and backup them to a specified folder. So when you flash and you had special clocks,icons,sliders, etc etc you can simply restore it instead of having to reapply all these custom items.
O yes please install on the Storage Card. Might waste too much space on the Internal memory.
I tested it and seems ok but all apps has bugs so please be nice. Leme know if any body wants the source code. Written in C# VS2008
Version 1.1
Please uninstall the old version. I changed the name to Theme Switcher so it will install into a different folder. You can just move the Backup Folder Across. Got some nice graphics and changed the wallpaper. The Config.txt file have some settings in it. Have a look.
Also Any files listed in extrafiles.txt will be backed up and restored as well so one can easily backup the current wallpaper etc
Version 1.4
Just added an Image so if you add a file by the name of "theme.jpg" in the folder where its backed up to it will show the image before you can apply it
Im sorry I re Uploaded the Cab File forgot to include the txt files.
If the Application Icon didnt show in the start menu its been fixed as well. Please show me some screen shots on a diamond
Version 1.5
Rebuild Cab file
- Icon Shows correctly
- All files included
- Added option to Exit without refreshing TF3D
Version 1.6
- Small Graphical changes
- Added following entries to extrafiles.txt which should backup the taskbar etc as well:
top.png
bottom.png
hdwall_softkeybar.png
hdwall_taskbar.png
homebackground.img
BT Discoverable.bmp
BT On Mode.bmp
BT Stereo headset.bmp
GPS-icon Mask.bmp
GPS-icon.bmp
HTCVolumeControl.dll
MMSRes_480x800.dll
outres.192.dll
phcanOverbmp.dll
shellres.192.dll
Stereo headset.bmp
tapres.192.dll
notify.dll.0409.mui
notify.dll.040C.mui
CDMA_RSSI_PPC.dll
WLMMessengerResources.192.dll
Stereo headset Mask.bmp
tshres.192.dll
PictureMailRes.dll
BT Stereo headset Mask.bmp
BT Discoverable Mask.bmp
BT On Mode Mask.bmp
shellres.192.dll.0409.mui
VoiceCmdRes_PPC.dll
htcStartMenuService.dll
LargeTitleBar.dll
NotificationManager.dll
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Just a spare post incase of sumting
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Can a Mod please move this thread to Software development please
THANK YOU
Grumps, great job I love this app. Simple and works great.
I will be using it, not only as a theme saver, but also as a theme changer.
I just tried it to switch themes and it worked great.
I haven't used it much yet, so I don't have much feedback.
The only thing that I have come across that needs fixing is that the drop down list for the restore saved theme.
It is hidden behind the restore saved theme button.
Everything else works great.
Thank you so much.
Wouldnt i be nice to save phcanover & the other dlls with icons, too?
Seems to be a great app that will save me a lot oft time,
thx³
Greetz
Boris
howzeet
Phonatic said:
Grumps, great job I love this app. Simple and works great.
I will be using it, not only as a theme saver, but also as a theme changer.
I just tried it to switch themes and it worked great.
I haven't used it much yet, so I don't have much feedback.
The only thing that I have come across that needs fixing is that the drop down list for the restore saved theme.
It is hidden behind the restore saved theme button.
Everything else works great.
Thank you so much.
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what phone did u try it on . i made it on my rhodium. if its a vga device ill fix it. have a diamond as well that ill try it on
borisku said:
Wouldnt i be nice to save phcanover & the other dlls with icons, too?
Seems to be a great app that will save me a lot oft time,
thx³
Greetz
Boris
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i can do that if you can gimme a list of the files. or maybe i can create a text file and one can list all the files in there that it should include in the backup? does anybody know which files contain the wallpaper and the top and bottom bar. guess its called the taskbar. the ones thats part of the top icons and bottom buttons. then it could be a complete theme changer. i use it as that as well
Grumps, thanks for the app. I believe that I am having the same condition that Phonatic describes. I have a Rhodium with stock rom, manilla 2.1.
But that shouldn't matter, should it?
My screenshot has differences from yours, aside from the bottom bar difference between your sense and my manilla.
Mine has the top task bar and less space between the drop-down list and the "restore saved theme" button.
Also mine has nicer looking buttons.
Do I have the wrong version?
When you have more items in your drop down list, does your list stay above the button?
I still am using it. I just use my arrow down/up to make my selection.
Grumps, as a suggestion to fix the problem that I have,
would it be easier to adjust the layout?, than to change the drop down to render in front of the buttons.
Something like this.
Also, since you asked for graphic suggestions, what do you think about making all the buttons have the same look.
Another suggestion is for your startup.jpg.
Instead of your screenshot, which is very nice, how about something that displays the program name and authored-by info.
With a "tap screen to proceed" kinda instruction placed somewhere.
Here are quick mock-ups of the idea that I am trying to convey.
I'm actually using it for your app, they look good on my Rhodium, much better than this screen shot.
I used screenshots from this site to make these mock-ups. Thanks to the OPs.
If anyone minds that I used their image, please let me know and I will replace it.
Anyway, just some food for thought.
Thanks again for the great app, Tilt
This awesome and such a time saver, thank you so much! One thing is I can not delete theme i have saved, I store on storage card but it says I can not delete it is denied other than that it is exactly what I have been looking [email protected]
Thank you for this program!
Tilt ommarow said:
Grumps, as a suggestion to fix the problem that I have,
would it be easier to adjust the layout?, than to change the drop down to render in front of the buttons.
Something like this.
Also, since you asked for graphic suggestions, what do you think about making all the buttons have the same look.
Another suggestion is for your startup.jpg.
Instead of your screenshot, which is very nice, how about something that displays the program name and authored-by info.
With a "tap screen to proceed" kinda instruction placed somewhere.
Here are quick mock-ups of the idea that I am trying to convey.
I'm actually using it for your app, they look good on my Rhodium, much better than this screen shot.
I used screenshots from this site to make these mock-ups. Thanks to the OPs.
If anyone minds that I used their image, please let me know and I will replace it.
Anyway, just some food for thought.
Thanks again for the great app, Tilt
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Wow I like this. Think its a good idea. Maybe I should change the Name to Them Switcher. Dont you wanna do the images for me with the name Theme switcher? I dont know quote how to do all this but ill try and make graphics work as button thingys. Leme see what I can do.
Tilt ommarow said:
Grumps, thanks for the app. I believe that I am having the same condition that Phonatic describes. I have a Rhodium with stock rom, manilla 2.1.
But that shouldn't matter, should it?
My screenshot has differences from yours, aside from the bottom bar difference between your sense and my manilla.
Mine has the top task bar and less space between the drop-down list and the "restore saved theme" button.
Also mine has nicer looking buttons.
Do I have the wrong version?
When you have more items in your drop down list, does your list stay above the button?
I still am using it. I just use my arrow down/up to make my selection.
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Cool ill fix this
Thanks
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Cool ill fix this
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I will patiently wait for the fix. It still works as is.
By the way I like the taskbar showing on top.
Would you please do me the honor of putting this Startup.jpg on your Rhodium.
I just want you to see how it looks on the phone.
The screenshot just doesn't do it justice.
@anyone that wants to see how this looks on the phone, just right click on the image,
save as Startup.jpg and use it to replace the one in your phones Theme Saver folder.
Tilt ommarow said:
I will patiently wait for the fix. It still works as is.
By the way I like the taskbar showing on top.
Would you please do me the honor of putting this Startup.jpg on your Rhodium.
I just want you to see how it looks on the phone.
The screenshot just doesn't do it justice.
@anyone that wants to see how this looks on the phone, just right click on the image,
save as Startup.jpg and use it to replace the one in your phones Theme Saver folder.
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Ihave and I am using it. Im batteling to make it look right on Windows 6.5 and 6.5.3 because of the topbar being smaller and bigger. Can you also give me one without any writing eg theme switcher and save/restore/switch and press any key. Trying to use it as a background image for the app and moving the controls to the menu items
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Ihave and I am using it. Im batteling to make it look right on Windows 6.5 and 6.5.3 because of the topbar being smaller and bigger. Can you also give me one without any writing eg theme switcher and save/restore/switch and press any key. Trying to use it as a background image for the app and moving the controls to the menu items
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I will alter it however you like.
I have time tommorow. For now I must get 3hours sleep before I go to work.
Here is a background.
Goodnight, Tilt ommarow
Tilt ommarow said:
I will alter it however you like.
I have time tommorow. For now I must get 3hours sleep before I go to work.
Here is a background.
Goodnight, Tilt ommarow
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You got a private message. Thanx for the image
What do you think of these buttons?
Here's a template that I made for you.The dimensions are exact to the current layout.
If you were to replace the current background with this, it would be functional.
Some graphics should be added, especialy to brighten the lower section.
The size of the top button looks off, I suggest either make it bigger to match
(which would look crowded with the task bar, unless you lower everything),
or I can change it into a text box or no box just text.
Do you need text added, or is the text part of the app?
Anyway, just let me know your preferences ie graphics, text, color, button style etc., and I will adapt accordingly.
Tilt ommarow said:
Here's a template that I made for you.The dimensions are exact to the current layout.
If you were to replace the current background with this, it would be functional.
Some graphics should be added, especialy to brighten the lower section.
The size of the top button looks off, I suggest either make it bigger to match
(which would look crowded with the task bar, unless you lower everything),
or I can change it into a text box or no box just text.
Do you need text added, or is the text part of the app?
Anyway, just let me know your preferences ie graphics, text, color, button style etc., and I will adapt accordingly.
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This looks very nice. The reason why there is such a big gap at the bottom is that im not sure if it will all fit on a vga device. The buttons look nice. I also cant use it as is because on different device with different os's like 6.1 6.5 6.5.3 the image moves slightly up and down. so you will have to include the images with the text on it, as individual images and they have to be square cause i dont know how to program transparency as yet. Hope it would be possible. Thanx soo much for the effort so far It looks awesome
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This looks very nice. The reason why there is such a big gap at the bottom is that im not sure if it will all fit on a vga device. The buttons look nice. I also cant use it as is because on different device with different os's like 6.1 6.5 6.5.3 the image moves slightly up and down. so you will have to include the images with the text on it, as individual images and they have to be square cause i dont know how to program transparency as yet. Hope it would be possible. Thanx soo much for the effort so far It looks awesome
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Grumps, I just read your pm. Gimme a minute. I think I have something for you.
Thanks for the info above.
As I understand it, you need buttons with text and the background seperate.
I am uploading a file for you. Please let me know how these work for you.View attachment Grumps.zip
Hello everybody, have finished my modification of kenia1234 sense startmenu replacement, using CHTeditor I have seen we can change programpages from 4 to 5 columns, wanted to do the same on kenia startmenu replacement...here is the result...
This is my first try in modding manila files, and I am quite happy to have understand the thing in half a day, hash file name is really a pain to work with...
But now I have what I wanted, a really usable start menu ( not too much long to scroll like list or 4 columns), included in the cab, shortcut to control panels item so you can disable the Windows mobile start menu to same a great 10mb of RAM, this hack to disabling completely the startmenu is from arto, I have attached the startmenu disabler for wm 6.5 and for wm 6.5.x, Install this to gain system memory...
Thanks to members Etoy & Abrasive We now have VGA versions as well !!!
VGA 4 rows
VGA 5 rows
Here is the link for original WVGA Kenia1234 version :
Original Kenia1234 Thread
Really nice!! I m glad to see that my work was useful for you...
thanks for the quote!
Anyway Good job!!
What would be great is the folder ability like the real startmenu, but thats definitely a hard work of coding...
My real goal to achieve, is to replace the recent program list from the bottom, and to replace it with shortcut for "recent program", "All programs","Control Panel".
This way we can have acces to parameters without loosing the ability of recentprogramlist. but I really don't know enought by now on lua script etc to program the whole thing, we have the layout, we need a good dev to make the whole thing, but I think it's a bit difficult to do as it need the script to understand how to lauch cpl files...
my real dream is a lightweight startmenu replacement like "Panoramic Launcher"...
This looks great - I never knew (or noticed) that the Start Menu was so heavyweight on memory. I might give this a go over the weekend. Nice work!
ocman, this is a very nice tweak to get more ram. I tried Panoramic Launcher, but believe it or not, found it to be a bit buggy. Sometimes it launched and sometimes the start menu launched. I want something which I can get used to. I am trying your program and like it very much. The only thing I would change is to give the settings menu items the same icon as before. I think I can research this one as I know you can add icons to shortcuts.
It does seem to save some ram too.
Well done and thanks!!!
How to put back the start menu?
Hi,
is it possible to creat folder in this start menu (i think yeah but need be sure )
Bye bye (et merci!!)
Hmmm, pitty did not work for me.....did not get te square with start icons. Instead icons where similar oriented as current start menu and logo's where gone.
great job.i ve been looking for a start menu disabler and a replacement for a year.
GREAT JOB,piece of ART !
Not work too at wm 6.5.x.
I installed the cab to replace and the cab to remove start menu, but when i soft reset my device the windows flag has disappeared and i get no more startmenu. Neither new or old
yeah in 6.5.x lost but I gained like 30mb wow
I see were this would really help with CHT or any other version thinking about installing it to see how it works on overlay sitting idle right now with NRGz 8-6 I have 96mb free! That is a good hack either way maybe needs to be cooked into roms and have a shortcut to the windows/startmenu for access to startmenu. Either way nice job.
****you lose your settings menu access as well because I was going to map my windows button to the windows/startup/program files*****
hahaha nice appbutyou forgot something theme settings !
dude wonderful app , but you forgot a shortcut to change the theme and the theme wallpaper ! in WM6.5 and 6.5.3 it has a special path ,not like 6.1 ,you might need to tweak it a little bit ! ! ! !
but its a great RAM saver and super practical ! great job
@ocman,
thanks for sharing..!
Works perfect for me...!
Greetings
sv0911
this works with all devices? and which files should I download and install?
Wow this really makes such a big difference, even on my HD2. This seems to have saved me about 20mb on my memory and has sped up my entire phone quite a lot.
The only problem is I'm using arkswitch and that covers up the start menu button and the start menu hardware button doesn't seem to work so at the moment I've got no way of getting to the start menu. Is it possible to make the hardware button work again?
Overall though it's a big improvement and it has definately made a speed difference and personally I think that this looks better than the default start menu anyway.
I hated the start menu layout and always wished for a CHTEditor grid type layout. Can't wait to try it out!
EDIT: Tried it out and love it. On my HD2, pressing the hard Start button seems to confuse it for a few seconds and then nothing. The soft Start button works fine and the app is VERY good in general. Like others have said, it would be perfect for me if the hard button worked or could be mapped, the scrolling speed was increased and folder creation.
Excellent job!
Can you do a 4 column version also?
Plus 1 for folder creation for this menu.
I contacted Cookie once and he said Cookie Manila Start Menu would be on his next release. Seems like you beat him to it
OIY OP FUK YOU.....
but in all seriousness, I offered a bounty both here at XDA and over at PPCG for a CHT or classic WM6.1 StartMenu/Programs for $20...
Keep up the good work, make it (talk to CHT/CHTE) compatible and customizable with CHT/CHTE to be merged into or if you want to keep it alone make it an add-on still for CHT/CHTE (so we can change the columns/row amount/setup)
$20 for the finalized version with customization possibilities (it can do folders?), make that bottom row optional and customizable, Recent Programs or Folders or like Win7 even with the "Pin to StartMenu"
Either way, when done and I can use it reliably $20 is yours (paypal?!)
hi i installed this program and it does saved 10 M ram! thanks a lot!
however i have a few problems. in sense 2.5, the calendar and setting tabs dissappeared.
i also try to map this program to a hardware key, but can't seem to find the shortcut to the app. can you tell me where to find it?
thanks for helping!!!