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Remap T-Zones key under WM6 Beta

Anyone know how to remap the pink T-zones hardkey to WMplayer or something else more useful?
Thanks in advance
Laotzu

same way you did it in wm5

The link file has changed. For WM5, the file was windows/short_AP1.lnk,
In WM6 Beta, the file is windows/short_IE.lnk
Open it up in your text editor and change it as you see fit.

Oh yeah, forgot that extra step. There's still a link_ap1. Fun things happen if you replace only that. IE will load, then the link_ap1 will load.

I'm still getting IE loading after I have changed Short_IE to the taskmanager. Very odd.

kmattoo said:
I'm still getting IE loading after I have changed Short_IE to the taskmanager. Very odd.
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Try changing the Short_AP1 as well

merwin said:
Try changing the Short_AP1 as well
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I don't see any short_ap1 in the windows directory...is it someplace else?

yeah, i'm not seeing short_ap1 or link_ap1

seraphic8x said:
yeah, i'm not seeing short_ap1 or link_ap1
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Correct, there is not short_ap1 in the Beta. I'm not seeing an option in the registry that hooks into iexplore.exe. I wonder if opening IE is hard coded into the ROM...
A short-term solution might be the following AEBPlus:
http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus.php
This would allow you to remap other buttons as well. You could make the T-Zones Button a double-press for task manager, for example. This is free for the basic version for smartphone but the nag screen stays active, however. Also, don't go remapping key buttons because one of the bugs is that the button sometimes loses it's initial functionality (e.g. Read don't remap a soft-key if you don't know what you are doing because you can't do much of anything without having the original functionality present.) Not everything works on the Dash with this app, but it still does the job.

Got it... I just checked my WM6 and figured out what I had to do to get it working.
First, replace the short_ie.lnk with the link of your choosing. Then, also replace pie.lnk with the link of your choosing. That will get it to run the proper application that you want to run. Don't worry, replacing pie.lnk won't screw with IE at all.

Good find, Merwin!
Just to clarify what Merwin said and to hopefully avoid further questions:
1. Make a shortcut of the application that you want to replace the t-zones button application (e.g. Pocket Explorer) using ActiveSync's Explore function
2. Drag the shortcut copy to the desktop
3. Make two copies of that shortcut.
4. Rename one copy: pie
5. Rename second copy: short_ie
6. Drag both copies back to the windows folder on the device and replace the original shortcut files
No device reset is necessary.

Remap T-zones
gadgetshrink, It seems that I cannot change the files you suggested, probably because they are hard coded in ROM, as it indicates in the properties dialog box in Total Commander when I click on the e.g. Short_IE file. I have installed the Surreal App Unlock, reset but see no way to change the file attributes. I have the standard t-Mobile ROM on my Dash. I have tried to delete the files and to edit them and to cut and paste from Word Pad. No luck. Seems that the files need to be opened to be able to change them.

Unlock your software

Alphanuma 0.9 an Alpha-Numeric Display [Deprecated, 1.0 released]

Do you miss knowing which letters are on which numbers, like when dialing a number from a business? Like, "Call Now! 1-800-YES-YEAH" Here's the fix for Kavana/Ricky/HTC based ROMs.
This is a mod of Surreal Networks Alpha-Numeric Display patch (grey), without the T-Mobile Branding:
Now, with correct spelling. (Hey it was late!)
download BRANDING.GIF
place in the Windows folder
browse to it with resco explorer
rename to ms_mobile.gif, confirm
May require rebooting. You are welcome to modify this, make into a .cab or desktop installer.
UPDATE April 4: Newest version, no branding, simpler install, and works on both the in-call and dialer screens here! Or jump to page three for preview.
UPDATE April 18: One Point Zero release here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2129954#post2129954

Thanks, that's great. Although, you spelled Excalibur wrong...

Thanks a ton! This is a great help!

Nice but I was wondering how the hell to get the panel AFTER you make a call to show the numbers on Kavana's 6.1. Like automated service tells you to put in your name or whatnot on the dialpad....

dialpad cab minus excalibur branding
attached is the same dialpad without the Excalibur branding.
install cab, reboot, enjoy.
thanks to Ben Hirashima for the cab

MountainDrew said:
Thanks, that's great. Although, you spelled Excalibur wrong...
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Fixed!
Now, I am analyzing how to make a slicker package from Ben's example.

Yianaki said:
Nice but I was wondering how the hell to get the panel AFTER you make a call to show the numbers on Kavana's 6.1. Like automated service tells you to put in your name or whatnot on the dialpad....
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Not sure. I will look into it. I suppose it could be added to the top of whatever image is in the "next" screen?

So it's only in one colour, and it might not match your blues, but I'll share the one I made for my phone if any of you like it.

I made one too

Windows standard colors
Here are original ones for each of the default colors and Segoe text. No Branding. Included one in grey, too!
Anyone else having a problem with the automatic alpha-num installers with a cooked ROM?

I like the one with T-mobile Branding. It makes the rom feel more official. (Extracted from the Surreal Networks CAB)

ygb said:
I like the one with T-mobile Branding. It makes the rom feel more official. (Extracted from the Surreal Networks CAB)
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I am working on a complete suite of not T-Mobile Branding, trying to figure out the splash screens at the moment. I just cant dig the pink T; Ive tried! Been cruising the other forums for clues...

It seems that the Ben dialpad works on the in-call screen, but I cant simulate the behavior if i uninstall his cab and manually it the reg. What keys do others use to change background on the in-call screen? IT really needs some livening up anyway.

Profezza said:
It seems that the Ben dialpad works on the in-call screen, but I cant simulate the behavior if i uninstall his cab and manually it the reg. What keys do others use to change background on the in-call screen? IT really needs some livening up anyway.
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Just one key...but it has to point to a file that exists. So if you've extracted the .gif file from the .cab / make sure you drop the .gif file in the windows directory and note what the .gif filename is as thats what you're going to put in the regitry entry...also make sure you soft-reset otherwise it won't change until then.
And as far as the in call screen is concerned ... look for a file in \windows directory named cprogback_land.png for your in-call screen
Here's the one that i use: It looks good with technology's another blue color scheme .......Just rename the extention from .jpeg to .png if you want to use it

nice tip! thanks!

pudgedaddy said:
...And as far as the in call screen is concerned ...
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It appears that that file is hard-coded, so there is no way to mod the reg with the installer, but it looks like windows mobile's .cab-install system will back things up alright from a file replacement approach. So, a single installer for both is do-able.
Interestingly, the image I am overwriting is called Carrierlogo.gif, not cprogback_land.png. Are there two potential images retrieved for the call screen, one in the fore and one in the back? I wonder what I could do with that info...
Or, maybe it is named differently in different source roms with the same purpose. Will text that next.

boom, got it
So, I think i this is how the in-call graphics work:
It appears that the call screen does indeed call up two images (not including a contact thumb, if applicable) The background is hardwired as "cprogback_land.png". Also, instead of having the carrier text string at the top, it can have an image across the top, which is hardwired as "carrierlogo.gif". Nothing can be done, as far as I can tell, to change the pointers to other files, so overwrites are the only method of changing.
If the graphic is put inside the background image itself, it can be the full width of the screen, like any background, and likewise any height (up to 213) But the in-call screen is a bit busy.The top 24 pixels (after the window top) are reserved for the carrier branding text string (or image), followed by 2 blank rows of pixels and a horizontal rule at row 27. The next 88 pixels (the middle area is a call status area followed by another rule at row 116, and pressed digits fill the bottom area.
However, if the graphic (.gif only) is in the foreground, it can be any size and proportion, but if it is taller than 24 pixels, or wider than 311 pixels, it will be (UPDATED) scooted over four pixels and cropped to fit a box of those dimensions at the top. If it is smaller, it will be top-, then left-aligned. Either way, if it is there, it replaces the carrier text string, rather than having to be designed around it. One thing to keep in mind, if using this method is that it has to be 10 pixels narrower than the image that might be used on the dialer screen, or it will "shrink" when you switch screens, if you want them to "match".
If anything is unclear, or anyone has any details to add, or corrections to make, please let me know! Thanks

pudgedaddy said:
Just one key...but it has to point to a file that exists. So if you've extracted the .gif file from the .cab / make sure you drop the .gif file in the windows directory and note what the .gif filename is as thats what you're going to put in the regitry entry...also make sure you soft-reset otherwise it won't change until then.
And as far as the in call screen is concerned ... look for a file in \windows directory named cprogback_land.png for your in-call screen
Here's the one that i use: It looks good with technology's another blue color scheme .......Just rename the extention from .jpeg to .png if you want to use it
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Thanks a lot pudgedaddy we definitely needed better visuals for the call in screen. Does anyone else have any other variations of screens like this laying around?

killswitch said:
...Does anyone else have any other variations of screens like this laying around?
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One could be made by renaming any wallpaper that would work on the home screen.
I am working on a png one that blends seamlessly with a floating .gif dialpad right now. Must test it out tho'

Here is a trio of images to bring a consistent and mellow dialpad feature to BOTH the dial and incall screens.
Directions

Chome Panel Chooser

Hey guys. Whipped this thing up to help people choose the panels that can be displayed on the homescreen. So far it only contains 7 entries, the ones I found on my phone. You can turn the panels off or on, by selecting a panel and typing it "off" or "on" respectively. After you make the changes, you need to reboot to see the changes. The last option will make that easier for you. Choose "Reboot", type "yes" and it will reboot for you. Let me know if there's any other panel names you would like me to add, or if you find any bugs. Thanks!

Look good but isn't this just like the chome settings (neoOrder) that is in Rockys ROM where you can enable and disable the windows you want and change which position they are in on the screen?

Clydeisthe**** said:
Look good but isn't this just like the chome settings (neoOrder) that is in Rockys ROM where you can enable and disable the windows you want and change which position they are in on the screen?
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Everyone isn't running rickwyatt's ROM. Some are still with Kavana's. Like me.

Rip Syntaxx said:
Everyone isn't running rickwyatt's ROM. Some are still with Kavana's. Like me.
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ohh ok I didn't know that it wasn't in Kavana's ROM I have never flashed one of his just Rickys .. my bad

Clydeisthe**** said:
ohh ok I didn't know that it wasn't in Kavana's ROM I have never flashed one of his just Rickys .. my bad
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To Clyde: It's cool. Contrary to popular belief, there are still some users that are on Kavana's ROMs. lol I have no problem with rickwyatt's, but I found them to have too many apps and tweaks that I found unnecessary for me personally.
To Org (and anyone who'll listen): This is great idea for those who aren't quite comfortable with editing their .xml files to rearrange the slider panels (like me)! I've noticed that many users have a panel called "My Programs". What do I need to do to create this? I think it's a really useful tool to "slide" straight through the programs you use on a regular basis. I've already read tons of posts on this, but it's not registering. Thanks in advance, guys.

It's difficult to sit here and do a step by step, but I'll point you in the right direction and answer your questions later.
1) Download a registry editor or use the one on the phone.
2) First off, keep in mind there's TWO places in the registry where you need to make changes. One is HKLM\Security\Chome\DefaultSettings\CWelcomeCenter and HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Chome\CWelcomeCenter
3) Look for a key that says "Disabled" and make sure it doesn't say "1". Or use my utility to turn the welcome center on.
4) When you're in the registry you'll find Page1, Page2, Page3 etc etc in both places. Each Page represents ONE slide. For each page you can makes changes such as... ACTIONURL is the path to the program you want to execute when hitting the middle button. for example "\program files\NRG\Chomeweathersettings\weather.exe" will run the weather program
SK2URL is the same, but for the right softkey. SK2Text is a label for that softkey. The "pictures" key points to the .png file you will be using as an icon for your program. Right now it probably says "2500". Change it to "\windows\weather.png" and you'll get the weather icon in its place, for example. The Title text is self descriptive... put in whatever you want the title of the slide to be.
I hope you can figure it out from here

OrganicM said:
It's difficult to sit here and do a step by step, but I'll point you in the right direction and answer your questions later.
1) Download a registry editor or use the one on the phone.
2) First off, keep in mind there's TWO places in the registry where you need to make changes. One is HKLM\Security\Chome\DefaultSettings\CWelcomeCenter and HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Chome\CWelcomeCenter
3) Look for a key that says "Disabled" and make sure it doesn't say "1". Or use my utility to turn the welcome center on.
4) When you're in the registry you'll find Page1, Page2, Page3 etc etc in both places. Each Page represents ONE slide. For each page you can makes changes such as... ACTIONURL is the path to the program you want to execute when hitting the middle button. for example "\program files\NRG\Chomeweathersettings\weather.exe" will run the weather program
SK2URL is the same, but for the right softkey. SK2Text is a label for that softkey. The "pictures" key points to the .png file you will be using as an icon for your program. Right now it probably says "2500". Change it to "\windows\weather.png" and you'll get the weather icon in its place, for example. The Title text is self descriptive... put in whatever you want the title of the slide to be.
I hope you can figure it out from here
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Thanks a bunch, man. I'm gonna finagle with this as soon as I get off.

OrganicM said:
It's difficult to sit here and do a step by step, but I'll point you in the right direction and answer your questions later.
1) Download a registry editor or use the one on the phone.
2) First off, keep in mind there's TWO places in the registry where you need to make changes. One is HKLM\Security\Chome\DefaultSettings\CWelcomeCenter and HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Chome\CWelcomeCenter
3) Look for a key that says "Disabled" and make sure it doesn't say "1". Or use my utility to turn the welcome center on.
4) When you're in the registry you'll find Page1, Page2, Page3 etc etc in both places. Each Page represents ONE slide. For each page you can makes changes such as... ACTIONURL is the path to the program you want to execute when hitting the middle button. for example "\program files\NRG\Chomeweathersettings\weather.exe" will run the weather program
SK2URL is the same, but for the right softkey. SK2Text is a label for that softkey. The "pictures" key points to the .png file you will be using as an icon for your program. Right now it probably says "2500". Change it to "\windows\weather.png" and you'll get the weather icon in its place, for example. The Title text is self descriptive... put in whatever you want the title of the slide to be.
I hope you can figure it out from here
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I'm understanding how to read the code. Thanks for breaking it down. I'm just having trouble finding the .pngs for my icons and also (noob moment) finding the target file for certain applications. It's keeping me from being able to input the file address for ACTIONURL and SK2URL.

Not Hard to Find
Just think of your program, "Where is it stored?"
That should be your only question when finding your target file. That simple, you should look in your Program Files directory on your phone or you storage card, that will then tell you where the link is.
2ndly, you can find other programs in your startup folder. They will be listed in link format, but this is fine, the link can be treated basically as the exact file itself (as far as your phone is concerned).
Long story short, use these locations for your entries for ACTIONURL and SK2URL. Have a blast!
Rip Syntaxx said:
I'm understanding how to read the code. Thanks for breaking it down. I'm just having trouble finding the .pngs for my icons and also (noob moment) finding the target file for certain applications. It's keeping me from being able to input the file address for ACTIONURL and SK2URL.
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outerdepth said:
Just think of your program, "Where is it stored?"
That should be your only question when finding your target file. That simple, you should look in your Program Files directory on your phone or you storage card, that will then tell you where the link is.
2ndly, you can find other programs in your startup folder. They will be listed in link format, but this is fine, the link can be treated basically as the exact file itself (as far as your phone is concerned).
Long story short, use these locations for your entries for ACTIONURL and SK2URL. Have a blast!
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Thanks, OD. I've figured out the file locations and such. I just need to know where you guys edit the .pngs for icons. I've found some icons, but they sucketh. I want them glossy and polished looking like the default icons.

By "where" , I assume you mean what programs do we use?
I use Photoshop do edit my pngs. I think other, cheaper software is available. Don't quote me on that. Photoshop can also be attained other "ways" (cough,cough).
Anyways, you can easily mod any pictures, turn them into anything you want, .png,.tga,.gif,etc. Look around.
Rip Syntaxx said:
Thanks, OD. I've figured out the file locations and such. I just need to know where you guys edit the .pngs for icons. I've found some icons, but they sucketh. I want them glossy and polished looking like the default icons.
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outerdepth said:
By "where" , I assume you mean what programs do we use?
I use Photoshop do edit my pngs. I think other, cheaper software is available. Don't quote me on that. Photoshop can also be attained other "ways" (cough,cough).
Anyways, you can easily mod any pictures, turn them into anything you want, .png,.tga,.gif,etc. Look around.
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I understand how to make any pic a .png, .jpg, .gif, etc... It's not the icons that I need, but rather, the program. I'll search for "alternate" ways to get photoshop. lol

Rinku has a pretty good description on how to add CProgs on his blog. It at the bottom of the page.

Thanks guys for all your help and input! I've figured it out, and in the process figured out how to change the small icons in the upper lefthand corner of the panels as well. It's kinda tedious at first, but once you get the hang of it--it's not bad.

Rip Syntaxx said:
Thanks guys for all your help and input! I've figured it out, and in the process figured out how to change the small icons in the upper lefthand corner of the panels as well. It's kinda tedious at first, but once you get the hang of it--it's not bad.
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For photo edtiting, i use GIMP,,,, it's the same program i used to modify the yahoo weather icons for ORG...... it's free and works just as well as photoshop CS3.
Go here if you want to try. www.gimp.org

pudgedaddy said:
For photo edtiting, i use GIMP,,,, it's the same program i used to modify the yahoo weather icons for ORG...... it's free and works just as well as photoshop CS3.
Go here if you want to try. www.gimp.org
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Thanks, Pudgemeister. I'll check it out.

pudgedaddy said:
For photo edtiting, i use GIMP,,,, it's the same program i used to modify the yahoo weather icons for ORG...... it's free and works just as well as photoshop CS3.
Go here if you want to try. www.gimp.org
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I used GIMP for my icons, it was easy and I think they turned out quite nice. Here are a few that I found/made they all have transparent backgrounds. Feel free to use which ever you like.

A few more

Editing Slider Panels
Does anyone know the default setting for this registry key: \HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\CHome\CMessage\ICONPATHS? I changed it trying to change the condensed icon (upper lefthand corner) for the message notifications panel. Instead, my weather panel's icon was changed. What're the default values for the key? (ex. 2xxx;2xxx)

It is 2201;2201

[APP] Theme Switcher Version 1.6 [2 Feb 2010]

I couldnt find an app so I wrote one.
This small app will give you the option to Save your current Settings or rather Mods to Manila/Sence or whatever you call it.
Im no good at graphics so I need someone to give me ideas on how to make it look better.
It will scan the windows folder for all *manila files that has a different date to the original Rom installation. It will take all these files and backup them to a specified folder. So when you flash and you had special clocks,icons,sliders, etc etc you can simply restore it instead of having to reapply all these custom items.
O yes please install on the Storage Card. Might waste too much space on the Internal memory.
I tested it and seems ok but all apps has bugs so please be nice. Leme know if any body wants the source code. Written in C# VS2008
Version 1.1
Please uninstall the old version. I changed the name to Theme Switcher so it will install into a different folder. You can just move the Backup Folder Across. Got some nice graphics and changed the wallpaper. The Config.txt file have some settings in it. Have a look.
Also Any files listed in extrafiles.txt will be backed up and restored as well so one can easily backup the current wallpaper etc
Version 1.4
Just added an Image so if you add a file by the name of "theme.jpg" in the folder where its backed up to it will show the image before you can apply it
Im sorry I re Uploaded the Cab File forgot to include the txt files.
If the Application Icon didnt show in the start menu its been fixed as well. Please show me some screen shots on a diamond
Version 1.5
Rebuild Cab file
- Icon Shows correctly
- All files included
- Added option to Exit without refreshing TF3D
Version 1.6
- Small Graphical changes
- Added following entries to extrafiles.txt which should backup the taskbar etc as well:
top.png
bottom.png
hdwall_softkeybar.png
hdwall_taskbar.png
homebackground.img
BT Discoverable.bmp
BT On Mode.bmp
BT Stereo headset.bmp
GPS-icon Mask.bmp
GPS-icon.bmp
HTCVolumeControl.dll
MMSRes_480x800.dll
outres.192.dll
phcanOverbmp.dll
shellres.192.dll
Stereo headset.bmp
tapres.192.dll
notify.dll.0409.mui
notify.dll.040C.mui
CDMA_RSSI_PPC.dll
WLMMessengerResources.192.dll
Stereo headset Mask.bmp
tshres.192.dll
PictureMailRes.dll
BT Stereo headset Mask.bmp
BT Discoverable Mask.bmp
BT On Mode Mask.bmp
shellres.192.dll.0409.mui
VoiceCmdRes_PPC.dll
htcStartMenuService.dll
LargeTitleBar.dll
NotificationManager.dll

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Just a spare post incase of sumting

Move
Can a Mod please move this thread to Software development please

THANK YOU
Grumps, great job I love this app. Simple and works great.
I will be using it, not only as a theme saver, but also as a theme changer.
I just tried it to switch themes and it worked great.
I haven't used it much yet, so I don't have much feedback.
The only thing that I have come across that needs fixing is that the drop down list for the restore saved theme.
It is hidden behind the restore saved theme button.
Everything else works great.
Thank you so much.

Wouldnt i be nice to save phcanover & the other dlls with icons, too?
Seems to be a great app that will save me a lot oft time,
thx³
Greetz
Boris

howzeet
Phonatic said:
Grumps, great job I love this app. Simple and works great.
I will be using it, not only as a theme saver, but also as a theme changer.
I just tried it to switch themes and it worked great.
I haven't used it much yet, so I don't have much feedback.
The only thing that I have come across that needs fixing is that the drop down list for the restore saved theme.
It is hidden behind the restore saved theme button.
Everything else works great.
Thank you so much.
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what phone did u try it on . i made it on my rhodium. if its a vga device ill fix it. have a diamond as well that ill try it on

borisku said:
Wouldnt i be nice to save phcanover & the other dlls with icons, too?
Seems to be a great app that will save me a lot oft time,
thx³
Greetz
Boris
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i can do that if you can gimme a list of the files. or maybe i can create a text file and one can list all the files in there that it should include in the backup? does anybody know which files contain the wallpaper and the top and bottom bar. guess its called the taskbar. the ones thats part of the top icons and bottom buttons. then it could be a complete theme changer. i use it as that as well

Grumps, thanks for the app. I believe that I am having the same condition that Phonatic describes. I have a Rhodium with stock rom, manilla 2.1.
But that shouldn't matter, should it?
My screenshot has differences from yours, aside from the bottom bar difference between your sense and my manilla.
Mine has the top task bar and less space between the drop-down list and the "restore saved theme" button.
Also mine has nicer looking buttons.
Do I have the wrong version?
When you have more items in your drop down list, does your list stay above the button?
I still am using it. I just use my arrow down/up to make my selection.

Grumps, as a suggestion to fix the problem that I have,
would it be easier to adjust the layout?, than to change the drop down to render in front of the buttons.
Something like this.
Also, since you asked for graphic suggestions, what do you think about making all the buttons have the same look.
Another suggestion is for your startup.jpg.
Instead of your screenshot, which is very nice, how about something that displays the program name and authored-by info.
With a "tap screen to proceed" kinda instruction placed somewhere.
Here are quick mock-ups of the idea that I am trying to convey.
I'm actually using it for your app, they look good on my Rhodium, much better than this screen shot.
I used screenshots from this site to make these mock-ups. Thanks to the OPs.
If anyone minds that I used their image, please let me know and I will replace it.
Anyway, just some food for thought.
Thanks again for the great app, Tilt

This awesome and such a time saver, thank you so much! One thing is I can not delete theme i have saved, I store on storage card but it says I can not delete it is denied other than that it is exactly what I have been looking [email protected]

Thank you for this program!

Tilt ommarow said:
Grumps, as a suggestion to fix the problem that I have,
would it be easier to adjust the layout?, than to change the drop down to render in front of the buttons.
Something like this.
Also, since you asked for graphic suggestions, what do you think about making all the buttons have the same look.
Another suggestion is for your startup.jpg.
Instead of your screenshot, which is very nice, how about something that displays the program name and authored-by info.
With a "tap screen to proceed" kinda instruction placed somewhere.
Here are quick mock-ups of the idea that I am trying to convey.
I'm actually using it for your app, they look good on my Rhodium, much better than this screen shot.
I used screenshots from this site to make these mock-ups. Thanks to the OPs.
If anyone minds that I used their image, please let me know and I will replace it.
Anyway, just some food for thought.
Thanks again for the great app, Tilt
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Wow I like this. Think its a good idea. Maybe I should change the Name to Them Switcher. Dont you wanna do the images for me with the name Theme switcher? I dont know quote how to do all this but ill try and make graphics work as button thingys. Leme see what I can do.

Tilt ommarow said:
Grumps, thanks for the app. I believe that I am having the same condition that Phonatic describes. I have a Rhodium with stock rom, manilla 2.1.
But that shouldn't matter, should it?
My screenshot has differences from yours, aside from the bottom bar difference between your sense and my manilla.
Mine has the top task bar and less space between the drop-down list and the "restore saved theme" button.
Also mine has nicer looking buttons.
Do I have the wrong version?
When you have more items in your drop down list, does your list stay above the button?
I still am using it. I just use my arrow down/up to make my selection.
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Cool ill fix this

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Grumps said:
Cool ill fix this
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I will patiently wait for the fix. It still works as is.
By the way I like the taskbar showing on top.
Would you please do me the honor of putting this Startup.jpg on your Rhodium.
I just want you to see how it looks on the phone.
The screenshot just doesn't do it justice.
@anyone that wants to see how this looks on the phone, just right click on the image,
save as Startup.jpg and use it to replace the one in your phones Theme Saver folder.

Tilt ommarow said:
I will patiently wait for the fix. It still works as is.
By the way I like the taskbar showing on top.
Would you please do me the honor of putting this Startup.jpg on your Rhodium.
I just want you to see how it looks on the phone.
The screenshot just doesn't do it justice.
@anyone that wants to see how this looks on the phone, just right click on the image,
save as Startup.jpg and use it to replace the one in your phones Theme Saver folder.
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Ihave and I am using it. Im batteling to make it look right on Windows 6.5 and 6.5.3 because of the topbar being smaller and bigger. Can you also give me one without any writing eg theme switcher and save/restore/switch and press any key. Trying to use it as a background image for the app and moving the controls to the menu items

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Ihave and I am using it. Im batteling to make it look right on Windows 6.5 and 6.5.3 because of the topbar being smaller and bigger. Can you also give me one without any writing eg theme switcher and save/restore/switch and press any key. Trying to use it as a background image for the app and moving the controls to the menu items
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I will alter it however you like.
I have time tommorow. For now I must get 3hours sleep before I go to work.
Here is a background.
Goodnight, Tilt ommarow

Tilt ommarow said:
I will alter it however you like.
I have time tommorow. For now I must get 3hours sleep before I go to work.
Here is a background.
Goodnight, Tilt ommarow
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You got a private message. Thanx for the image

What do you think of these buttons?
Here's a template that I made for you.The dimensions are exact to the current layout.
If you were to replace the current background with this, it would be functional.
Some graphics should be added, especialy to brighten the lower section.
The size of the top button looks off, I suggest either make it bigger to match
(which would look crowded with the task bar, unless you lower everything),
or I can change it into a text box or no box just text.
Do you need text added, or is the text part of the app?
Anyway, just let me know your preferences ie graphics, text, color, button style etc., and I will adapt accordingly.

Tilt ommarow said:
Here's a template that I made for you.The dimensions are exact to the current layout.
If you were to replace the current background with this, it would be functional.
Some graphics should be added, especialy to brighten the lower section.
The size of the top button looks off, I suggest either make it bigger to match
(which would look crowded with the task bar, unless you lower everything),
or I can change it into a text box or no box just text.
Do you need text added, or is the text part of the app?
Anyway, just let me know your preferences ie graphics, text, color, button style etc., and I will adapt accordingly.
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This looks very nice. The reason why there is such a big gap at the bottom is that im not sure if it will all fit on a vga device. The buttons look nice. I also cant use it as is because on different device with different os's like 6.1 6.5 6.5.3 the image moves slightly up and down. so you will have to include the images with the text on it, as individual images and they have to be square cause i dont know how to program transparency as yet. Hope it would be possible. Thanx soo much for the effort so far It looks awesome

Grumps said:
This looks very nice. The reason why there is such a big gap at the bottom is that im not sure if it will all fit on a vga device. The buttons look nice. I also cant use it as is because on different device with different os's like 6.1 6.5 6.5.3 the image moves slightly up and down. so you will have to include the images with the text on it, as individual images and they have to be square cause i dont know how to program transparency as yet. Hope it would be possible. Thanx soo much for the effort so far It looks awesome
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Grumps, I just read your pm. Gimme a minute. I think I have something for you.
Thanks for the info above.
As I understand it, you need buttons with text and the background seperate.
I am uploading a file for you. Please let me know how these work for you.View attachment Grumps.zip

How to desactivate windows Start Menu (process)

Hi, I've seen that if I desactivated the built in start menu, my free ram was 30 mb more (really !) and as I use manila quicklinks, its not a problem for me to go where I want, then I think desactivate windows start menu in wm 6.5, 6.5.x builds would be very useful for device poor in ram (like mine) so is there a way to desactivate it ?
- I found a provisional way by changing the shellres.192.dll by one from a taskar theme (because it blocks the start menu launching, but the taskbars icons are not working too, not practical...) Has someone an idea to desactivate without changing this dll ?
thx in advance !
Arto

anyone have an idea? I thought it's a very interesting thing...

clear adequate CPR's(2), make sr.
i could recommend using quick menu + startbutton(menu overrider) + few reg fixes(for regaining missing entries with qm), otherwise you may meet annoying problem if logo is clicked(loop zero effect process problem and no menu at all, of course then).
you may gain c.a. 2, 2.5 mb of ram and make sys lighter in general by that.
if you are cook, you may remove m$ start menu AND then remove these feeble icons(as these are not used at all) from sys.

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clear adequate CPR's(2), make sr.
i could recommend using quick menu + startbutton(menu overrider) + few reg fixes(for regaining missing entries with qm), otherwise you may meet annoying problem if logo is clicked(loop zero effect process problem and no menu at all, of course then).
you may gain c.a. 2, 2.5 mb of ram and make sys lighter in general by that.
if you are cook, you may remove m$ start menu AND then remove these feeble icons(as these are not used at all) from sys.
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thx for your answer, yes I would cook with this tweak, where I can find the start menu module in SYS ?
- thats a good Idea to redirect start button on quickmenu , have you some precision about this way?
- deleting the .cpr would make start menu not loading all png and icons? (that's the problem for the ram I think)
- yes use the icons because there are visible from manila quicklincks and I need the registry strings in startinfo
thx again for your help

where I can find the start menu module in SYS ?
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you CANNOT. it is embedded into, i dont know, shell32, or aygshell, imho. method below is way for desactivating it(whole honeycomb), just that(and it is ENOUGH).
- deleting the .cpr would make start menu not loading all png and icons? (that's the problem for the ram I think)
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not deleting, just erasing its contents(with notepad).
Icons WONT be cached and no start menu is available too(well, more like m$ menu is not, hm, activated, but HOOK IS(so, erased cprs may lead to weird ugly loop when you click logo/start, so startbutton is needed to overtake that hook)).
I have no idea about manila, never used it, but i assume that if it is using these icons, icons could be still cached(upd: BUT still, you will gain RAM, as honeycomb engine is not started).
names of cpr files to be cleared(for qvga) with notepad:
StartMenu_Global_240x320.cpr
StartMenu_Global_320x240.cpr
StartMenu_GridScene_240x320.cpr
StartMenu_GridScene_320x240.cpr
- thats a good Idea to redirect start button on quickmenu , have you some precision about this way?
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search for startbutton on xdadev(upd: i added sb in attachment).
its behaviour is determined by something like this:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\allelimo\StartButton]
"HookWinKey"=""
"HookText"="1"
"Run"="\\Windows\\QuickMenu.exe"
as you can see, you may use whatever you like to be launched by logo/"start" TEXT.
Startbutton needs shortcut in windows/startup to be activated.
btw, remember to make reg entries for undetermined CPLs, 6.5.x messed these up(so, i.e. "home" - ex-"today", and few more won't be visible in qm settings submenu without regfix).
Cannot help you with that one as my device uses nontypical reg for CPLs(different from htc method).
yes I would cook with this tweak
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if you want to cook this in, you may want to make trick with initflashfiles.dat then:
make EMPTY txt(i.e. Honeycomb_off.txt), throw it into any oem.
then add sth like this to initflashfiles.dat(or initflashfile.txt):
Directory("\Windows\Startup\"):-File("startbutton.lnk","\Windows\startbutton.lnk")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_Global_240x320.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_Global_320x240.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_GridScene_240x320.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_GridScene_320x240.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")

Thank you for this great answer ! I will try this and report my results !

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make EMPTY txt(i.e. Honeycomb_off.txt), throw it into any oem.
then add sth like this to initflashfiles.dat(or initflashfile.txt):
Directory("\Windows\Startup\"):-File("startbutton.lnk","\Windows\startbutton.lnk")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_Global_240x320.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_Global_320x240.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_GridScene_240x320.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
Directory("\Windows"):-File("StartMenu_GridScene_320x240.cpr","\Windows\Honeycomb_off.txt")
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Nice answer!
I have a different question for you related to the honeycomb.txt
personally i like the start menu of WM6.5.x, but the one thing i cannot stand is the honeycomb effect, do you know of a way to change the honeycomb so that the icons appear in a straight line, like a grid?
eg 5 collumns across and then X rows down.
thanks in advance
MG

Nice answer!
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Method by Mietas.
personally i like the start menu of WM6.5.x, but the one thing i cannot stand is the honeycomb effect, do you know of a way to change the honeycomb so that the icons appear in a straight line, like a grid?
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Unfortunately, i do not remember.
I modded honeycomb in such way once(but one column), then i decicded to not use hc at all(as a matter of fact i got rid of 6.5).
I am certain that i saw few methods of such mods here, on xdadev.
If i remember right it is matter of grid cprs reedits(mainly these bolded ones) +new ellipsis gfx:
<GridView ID="Start Menu Items List" Top="0" Left="0" Width="240" Height="268" Columns="3" Scrollable="TRUE" HexagonGrid="TRUE" HorizontalWrapAround="TRUE">
<Image ID="Selection" Left="0" Top="-15" Width="96" Height="79" Source=".\StartMenu_Selection.png" />
<Layer ID="GridItem" Width="96" Height="83" OnAction ="GridItemAction">
<Layer ID="Normal">
<Image ID="Image" Left="25" Top="2" Width="45" Height="45" ScaleStyle="Fit" />
<Text ID="Text" Left="9" Top="49" Width="78" Height="34" FontFamily="Tahoma" FontSize="7" HorizontalAlignment="Center" VerticalAlignment="Top" Wrap="True" Trimming="EllipsisCharacter" ForeColor="#00FFFFFF" BackColor="#00000000" />
</Layer>
</Layer>
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HC is quite moddable, as you can see, shame it is mem hungry.
upd: on a second thought, hmm, i am not sure, if it is possible(i mean more, than ONE column of items in such way as you were asking for). You asked for something like "Settings" panel look in 6.1, hard to say, if it's possible.
If it is, i t may be related to:
HexagonGrid="FALSE" + ..something.

Thank you, I cleaned the cpr files and I installed a cab to hide the start button in wm 6.5.x, thats perfect ! !

Thanks Pupacota! I have assigned my Start menu to MMAppLauncher!

If you want to make it work even with WM soft button, you might wanna try instead of using SetWindowLong on HHTaskBar, use it on MSSTARTMENU and when message WM_ACTIVATE received, don't pass it through and just launch the app. I wanted to do it, but I forgot. Plus I don't have any good replacement done yet.
This should work

Thanks Pupacota! I have assigned my Start menu to MMAppLauncher!
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i am glad i could help.

OndraSter said:
If you want to make it work even with WM soft button, you might wanna try instead of using SetWindowLong on HHTaskBar, use it on MSSTARTMENU and when message WM_ACTIVATE received, don't pass it through and just launch the app. I wanted to do it, but I forgot. Plus I don't have any good replacement done yet.
This should work
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When you say "WM soft button", do you mean the top left corner of the screen (WM6.5)? If so, I don't want to do that because I have Ariel Battery there. Thanks for the tip though.