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Is there much difference between the two? Currently have the Ankher, thinking of getting the official extended battery.
Is there much point?
Over 2000 posts and yet can't figure out the search button......there's numerous threads on these batteries if you'd actually bothered to look.....
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Over 2000 posts and yet can't figure out the search button......there's numerous threads on these batteries if you'd actually bothered to look.....
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Think youll find i have. There are several thread on the Ankher 1900Mah, and several threads on the Genuine extended. Care to have a pop at the thread starters of them topics?.
Ive also searched through each of the threads, and found nothign specific to my query.
I was looking for someone who has used both of these batteries and can tell if there is a significant benfit in jumping to the official 2000mah from the 1900 Ankher.
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Over 2000 posts and yet can't figure out the search button......there's numerous threads on these batteries if you'd actually bothered to look.....
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Why waste your time answering if you can't be more helpfull ?. You kid's
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Why waste your time answering if you can't be more helpfull ?. You kid's
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nooooooo way i remember you from s60 symbian days
hope your well mate
buxz777 said:
nooooooo way i remember you from s60 symbian days
hope your well mate
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Hi mate, fancy seeing you in a place like this.
Yea, moved on since my Symbian days & never been happier. Symbian was great in it's day but was spoiled by slow operating system & crap build quality. First got the Galaxy S & was delighted with it, so now moved up to the S2. Love this phone.
Nice to meet you again.
Better stop now or I will be accused of going off topic. See you soon.
Ankers are not 1900mah but 1600 or 1650 (dont remember for sure but this is what's printed on the cell under the anker wrapping). It's also confrmed by the fact that anker battery lasts same as stock samsung battery. Based on that official 2000mah should last longer but I never had one to confirm from personal experience . Howevet I'm very happy with 2 anker batteries and desktop sharger that I bought for 1/3 of price of official 2000mah battety. 95% of times I swap batteries instead of charging phone. My case is hybrid silicone / hard plastic. I removed stock battery cover plate as case covers the back anyway. When the battery runs down it takes me 10 secs to swap it + with 3 batteries(4800mah) I have 2.5 times more power then extended bat.
Arrived this morning the extended battery. Firt impressions.
I think i prefer the thickness of the phone now. One plus point is that the Camera area now has some protection when itslaid on its back, Isn't being laid straight on the lens.
The heavyness of the phone. Not sure, oesn't seem that heavy to me, but then, i had a Sony Ericsson X10i before this, so its probably on parr with that on weight
Will fully charge it up, and see how i get on.
CM9 Latest build!
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Arrived this morning the extended battery. Firt impressions.
I think i prefer the thickness of the phone now. One plus point is that the Camera area now has some protection when itslaid on its back, Isn't being laid straight on the lens.
The heavyness of the phone. Not sure, oesn't seem that heavy to me, but then, i had a Sony Ericsson X10i before this, so its probably on parr with that on weight
Will fully charge it up, and see how i get on.
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could you maybe make a comparison between stock and extended using Antutu Tester?
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.antutu.tester
Ill break it in first and see what i can do
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Arrived this morning the extended battery. Firt impressions.
I think i prefer the thickness of the phone now. One plus point is that the Camera area now has some protection when itslaid on its back, Isn't being laid straight on the lens.
The heavyness of the phone. Not sure, oesn't seem that heavy to me, but then, i had a Sony Ericsson X10i before this, so its probably on parr with that on weight
Will fully charge it up, and see how i get on.
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Hi ..... just saw that your S2 is running on CM9 ..... just wanted to know how is the experience and what bugs did you face till date !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cheers !!!!!!!!!!!!
superleeds27 said:
Is there much difference between the two? Currently have the Ankher, thinking of getting the official extended battery.
Is there much point?
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Get a Mugen Power battery.
SGS2 3200mah and 1700mah batteries
porcupineli said:
Get a Mugen Power battery.
SGS2 3200mah and 1700mah batteries
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Does it come with a free suitcase so you can lug your now huge phone round with you?
superleeds27 said:
Arrived this morning the extended battery. Firt impressions.
I think i prefer the thickness of the phone now. One plus point is that the Camera area now has some protection when itslaid on its back, Isn't being laid straight on the lens.
The heavyness of the phone. Not sure, oesn't seem that heavy to me, but then, i had a Sony Ericsson X10i before this, so its probably on parr with that on weight
Will fully charge it up, and see how i get on.
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What about overheating with the samsung new battery? My phone overheats even on running basic HD games on the default battery. Shucks I know. I am thinking of getting hands on 2000 battery but I will not buy it if it has the same overheat problems because I've heard that Anker battery doesn't cause much overheat issues.
1 day 2 hours. 52% battery left. Rom & Kernel setup in my sig!
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What about overheating with the samsung new battery? My phone overheats even on running basic HD games on the default battery. Shucks I know. I am thinking of getting hands on 2000 battery but I will not buy it if it has the same overheat problems because I've heard that Anker battery doesn't cause much overheat issues.
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of course it gets warm you're running something processor/graphics intensive..... And if you think a cheap Anker battery is going to be better than an OEM battery you're a fool.
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Does it come with a free suitcase so you can lug your now huge phone round with you?
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Yeah, it comes with a free backdoor lol
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of course it gets warm you're running something processor/graphics intensive..... And if you think a cheap Anker battery is going to be better than an OEM battery you're a fool.
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The anker batteries are high quality...Even when i run games such as 9mm or PES 2012 the phone never over-heats. And the surprising amount of extra battery life whilst keeping the same size is really amazing. So don't go talking about things that you know nothing about. And if your still going to fight me on this then maybe you should check some of the reviews on amazon about it then maybe you could come to your sense and not call it " a cheap Anker battery".
I mean no offence with this but I'm tired of people talking about something whilst not knowing anything about it.
so call me a fool then i guess
I am using the 1900mAh Anker batteries and based on my experience they do last longer compared to the stock 1650mAh. And yes there is no phone heating issues at all.
but hey this is just me sharing my experience. you can call it cheap, because the price really is, $20 dollars for two of them. Cheap when it comes to price, but quality-wise then its worth every cent i paid for. Again this is just me. Maybe the gadget gurus know better if they have tried them
Im going to buy a new battery, original is 1350mah. I would like more. Is there any for Ace or Gio, since they have same battery?
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Maybe this one (but quite expensive)?: http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...alaxy-ace-s5830-samsung-galaxy-gio-s5660.html
Wow, thats a lot for a battery :/
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Wow, thats a lot for a battery :/
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1350 or 1600.. Will it give you much more energy???
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Yes its bigger in capacity, but it is too expensive for me.
Btw, how long battery life do you get with CM7?
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Hi... It's quite expensive..
But it's worth it? It's not Samsung original... How long to loose durability ?
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Yes its bigger in capacity, but it is too expensive for me.
Btw, how long battery life do you get with CM7?
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Depends on what you use, however most custom roms go longer then stock roms.
Can also be caused by underclock, overclock, auto sync, scripts, gps, wifi always on etc
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Why not buy this one? This is an official battery from Samsung with 1500mAh instead of 1350mAh.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0049QCJ2I/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=androidadvices-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B0049QCJ2I
(I can't post links since I am a new member.)
Did you bother reading the review below? They're saying that the description is incorrect and the battery is too big for the Gio...
so does anyone here ever tried extended battery? i've been looking into any forums. but always find problem, which is bigger in size, or the voltage is not stabil.
and i doubt that if the extended battery for gio would be so cheap. any suggestion?
I look for good quality battery with>mAh than original gio battery
Not sure if you can find one. Anyway it is always better to use original hardware, just pay attention to your phone settings (wifi, widgets, live wallpapers) and disconnect everything that you don't need .
I'm going to buy some of the battery... it looks like really good for me...
I wonder if it's realy possible to have a significant higher capacity battery with the same size.
In my previous phone (Nokia N82) I replaced my original battery with some chinese one which looked exactly the same as my original but it was no match for the real one. It performed slightly better than my original Nokia battery of 2 years old .
With batteries I guess you get what you pay for.
I got a gold battery from ebay for pretty cheap (i think $20 with shipping). It seems to work better than the original. It is 1430mah iirc. I've run a few tests on both batteries and it does work better by about 20 percent. Perhaps he original battery was defective *shrug* I'm really not sure how they stuff more juice in the same amount of space. Using the new battery with wifi/3g on and trillian and gmail syncing in the background, the phone will last 15 hours with regular use. Never tested with wifi/3g off and a lower screen brightness, perhaps it would last much longer. Still I've got the original battery with me as a backup.
Edit: Running gold battery all the way to dying i'm reaching 33 hours at this point with some system tweaks. Lower brightness, just trillian running and gmail accounts syncing. Still curious how long it'd go with wifi and data turned off but I havent had a chance to test that. My older phone had an aftermarket battery that was three times the size of the original and special cover came with it. It made the device quite heavy but i didnt mind since i had about 4 times the power. I wish they had that for the gio.
1,5 days and it's off
I use Governor Smartassv2 and i cannot have more than 1,5 days with stock battery.
help
where can i get cheap batteries
you could get them from ebay/dealextreme/focalprice/...
And always invest some time to read what others have to say about an item before you buy it
is there a final report on the battery search?
Not really, i really wish charging cases would come out for more devices, instead of just the iphone though.
I have just come across this interesting Poll on facebook concerning the replacement of internal batteries on HTC One Series with extended batteries.
https://www.facebook.com/questions/10150675611462172/
Apparently Mugen is planning to produce extended batteries for internal battery phones as well and supply an intrusion manual for users on how to open the phone and replace the internal battery.
What do you think??
Vote the Poll here or on facebook and we can discuss the issues in a meanwhile!!
since the cover non-removable i don't think that i would do it...
Would a extended battery case that would latch on the 5 pins at the back be more feasible instead? Seems like a less intrusive method of extending battery life.
On facebook 55 voters voted with yes - open yourself!! and like 7 voters in total selected other options!!
I cannot wait to get the phone in my hands and test it, i am sure it will require stronger battery to use its full capacity without compromising, so would open up and exchange the battery for sure.
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Would a extended battery case that would latch on the 5 pins at the back be more feasible instead? Seems like a less intrusive method of extending battery life.
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I reckon this would be the best way to go. As soon as you pull off that cover you can kiss your warranty goodbye.
Something like a PowerSkin would be a much better alternative for Mugen.
Battery life on this phone is fine for me. I see no need to change the battery.
Considering that Moto/VZ are going to be offering the option to put the MAXX battery in the RAZR I wouldn't be surprised if more companies start doing the same.
That said, one advantage of having a very difficult to remove internal battery is that people can't steal your phone and disable your ability to track it simply by pulling the battery. Not go give manufacturers/carriers credence to do so, but I'd certainly pay to have an extended battery put in under warranty, though I would think it's cheaper to simply put something slightly better in to begin with.
Considering that Moto Maxx
Was considering that phon to. The idea of a original 3300 battery is just to good to be true... hope the other companies will copy the idea =)
the juice is simply not enough for a phone with such a huge screen, i voted yes and i am surprised with the capacity of the battery of htc one x.
Nah
From what I've read, users (somehow) have been able to get really good battery life out of them despite the huge screen and mediocre battery. I'd try it out for a few weeks before you throw your money at something you probably won't need.
I'm gonna say no. I like slim phones
You have your phone for 1 week and your battery sucks? Its not that the battery is very poor, it's just the fact that a LI-ION battery takes up to 2 weeks to be fully calibrated. We talk here about a new phone, with a battery that didn't run before now.
So give this little guy a break and try it for 2-3 weeks before saying that the battery life is horrible. If it lasts 1 day and some hours it is a good battery life for a smartphone with this huge display!
does replacing void the warranty?
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does replacing void the warranty?
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Without a shadow of a doubt
1ceb0x said:
You have your phone for 1 week and your battery sucks? Its not that the battery is very poor, it's just the fact that a LI-ION battery takes up to 2 weeks to be fully calibrated. We talk here about a new phone, with a battery that didn't run before now.
So give this little guy a break and try it for 2-3 weeks before saying that the battery life is horrible. If it lasts 1 day and some hours it is a good battery life for a smartphone with this huge display!
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As someone educated me on this I'll pass on the favor. Li-ion batteries do not need a breaking in period like old tech rechargeables. It has a specific amount of charges it can take before it no longer holds max charge, but it holds that maximum charge from the first day.
With the right settings a good sense ROM will get pretty decent battery. But I do feel slightly limited by the 1500 battery. It would've been nice to have easy battery modding from the get go.
Thank god I am satisfied with my battery life, in V ONE as far as I know the battery is not removable, right?
You can remove it. You just have to take the whole phone apart to get at it.
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i dont know .. maybe yes
hhh, original battery is not enough?
Or how about mobile bank?
Hey guys im getting a new battery and i need u guys to help me and tell me if its good and worth it.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2300mAh-...5042174442630275&_qi=RTM839190#ht_4015wt_1396
What do u guys think?
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I recommend this one CS-ER800BL just type that into google i can't remember where i got mine but it won't be too hard to find. It's a good battery and lasts a very long time providing you don't have a thousand apps running in the background like i have. Saying that, my battery lasts all day having played a few games, making calls and other usages too (internet games require more battery for signal e.g i play Restaurant Story sometimes) and i have 50 applications running in the background all day long using up almost 300mb of memory which is really stupid. So if a battery can handle that my god it must be something. Anyway good luck there, Tom
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I recommend this one CS-ER800BL just type that into google i can't remember where i got mine but it won't be too hard to find. It's a good battery and lasts a very long time providing you don't have a thousand apps running in the background like i have. Saying that, my battery lasts all day having played a few games, making calls and other usages too (internet games require more battery for signal e.g i play Restaurant Story sometimes) and i have 50 applications running in the background all day long using up almost 300mb of memory which is really stupid. So if a battery can handle that my god it must be something. Anyway good luck there, Tom
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thanx but i need one that does not have an extended back cover.Or then i wiouldve just gotten a mugen power 3600 mah battery
and i would also like it if it was available in ebay.
I personally wouldn't stick something with Japanese/Chinese writing on, without necessary certifications, in my device. But that's just me.
Mugen Power is a more reputable brand and has the important certifications.
If you don't want the extended battery pack, and I dont blame you, the 1800mAh battery is standard size. You can find it here:
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http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/150860514474
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/mugen-power-sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-1800mah-extra-eros-akkumulator.html
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I personally wouldn't stick something with Japanese/Chinese writing on, without necessary certifications, in my device. But that's just me.
Mugen Power is a more reputable brand and has the important certifications.
If you don't want the extended battery pack, and I dont blame you, the 1800mAh battery is standard size. You can find it here:
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http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/mugen-power-sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-1800mah-extra-eros-akkumulator.html
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True, before i bought another chinese one and there was no difference.
But do u think the mugen power 1800 will work better even if the mAh is lower?
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True, before i bought another chinese one and there was no difference.
But do u think the mugen power 1800 will work better even if the mAh is lower?
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It may not in the short-term, but I expect it would perform better than the cheaper alternative in the long term.
It also wouldn't be the first time where a chinese manufacturer overstates the capacity/performance of something.
Yeah i think it should.
So my stock battery just wasn't cutting it as I would get at best nearly 4 hours of on screen time by using every battery saving feature I could think of, and always keeping Wi-Fi and GPS turned off. I ended up buying the Hyperion battery and this thing is s complete beast. Maxing my phone out, higher brightness, leaving GPS and Wi-Fi all on, playing games and watching streaming media, I can eclipse 4 hours of screen on time before I even get down to 60% remaining.
While this is great, it got me thinking that this battery isn't supposed to be more than double the life of the stock battery is it? While I'm certainly not complaining about the Hyperion, I would like to know if there is s better battery it there that would allow me to use the default case cover without making my phone huge and still allow for better battery life than I'm getting? I have two different stock batteries and both are exactly the same.
Are there any better ones out there that don't change the size of the phone?
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So my stock battery just wasn't cutting it as I would get at best nearly 4 hours of on screen time by using every battery saving feature I could think of, and always keeping Wi-Fi and GPS turned off. I ended up buying the Hyperion battery and this thing is s complete beast. Maxing my phone out, higher brightness, leaving GPS and Wi-Fi all on, playing games and watching streaming media, I can eclipse 4 hours of screen on time before I even get down to 60% remaining.
While this is great, it got me thinking that this battery isn't supposed to be more than double the life of the stock battery is it? While I'm certainly not complaining about the Hyperion, I would like to know if there is s better battery it there that would allow me to use the default case cover without making my phone huge and still allow for better battery life than I'm getting? I have two different stock batteries and both are exactly the same.
Are there any better ones out there that don't change the size of the phone?
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no , there isnt any other way, if u want ore juice, its gotta be stored somewhere right, unless u double the size , u cant double the battery life. no shortcuts, teh ones that claim so are all fake so dont bother with those.
Its possible. Motorola did it with the RazrMaxx. that tiny phone has a 3300mah battery. I wish some company could look into how they made it that small. i mean if Motorola can do it. samsung should be able to pack at least 4500mah into a similar battery. lol
i read this and it upset me cuz motorola always seemed to be behind on everything and i just never liked anything they put out. the razr maxx doesnt appeal to me but its gay that that it is better in so many different ways.
http://www.autoomobile.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-vs-motorola-droid-razr-maxx-hd-2/1003704/
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Its possible. Motorola did it with the RazrMaxx. that tiny phone has a 3300mah battery. I wish some company could look into how they made it that small. i mean if Motorola can do it. samsung should be able to pack at least 4500mah into a similar battery. lol
i read this and it upset me cuz motorola always seemed to be behind on everything and i just never liked anything they put out. the razr maxx doesnt appeal to me but its gay that that it is better in so many different ways.
http://www.autoomobile.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-vs-motorola-droid-razr-maxx-hd-2/1003704/
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Pretty sure the battery size is larger than the S3 battery. I think the largest possible capacity they can fit into a original size S3 battery is around 2500mAH.
I'm not looking to match my Hyperion with a thin battery. I'm looking for a compromise. Something that'll fit with the normal back but will do better than the stock battery.
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Its possible. Motorola did it with the RazrMaxx. that tiny phone has a 3300mah battery. I wish some company could look into how they made it that small. i mean if Motorola can do it. samsung should be able to pack at least 4500mah into a similar battery. lol
i read this and it upset me cuz motorola always seemed to be behind on everything and i just never liked anything they put out. the razr maxx doesnt appeal to me but its gay that that it is better in so many different ways.
http://www.autoomobile.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-vs-motorola-droid-razr-maxx-hd-2/1003704/
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The Razr Maxx battery isn't that small. It is simply longer and a bit skinnier than the GS3 battery. Samsung could have done it with a slightly different design of how the battery fits in the back of the phone.
OP: After properly calibrating my Hyperion battery, I religiously get Just over 3 days of usage. I like my Hyperion battery.
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I'm not looking to match my Hyperion with a thin battery. I'm looking for a compromise. Something that'll fit with the normal back but will do better than the stock battery.
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Im going to be testing the Hyperion 2200 and Anker 2200. Ill post the updates on my battery review thread. I might test the Mugen 2300.
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Im going to be testing the Hyperion 2200 and Anker 2200. Ill post the updates on my battery review thread. I might test the Mugen 2300.
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Let me know what you find out, ive been skeptical of getting the hyperion and anker 2200 or even the mugen 2300 cuz im not positive if just a 100-200mah increase is gonna make that much of a difference.
Mugens website shows good reviews on the 2300 but the customers dont really have any stats to back up the claims in their reviews
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Its possible. Motorola did it with the RazrMaxx. that tiny phone has a 3300mah battery. I wish some company could look into how they made it that small. i mean if Motorola can do it. samsung should be able to pack at least 4500mah into a similar battery. lol
i read this and it upset me cuz motorola always seemed to be behind on everything and i just never liked anything they put out. the razr maxx doesnt appeal to me but its gay that that it is better in so many different ways.
http://www.autoomobile.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-vs-motorola-droid-razr-maxx-hd-2/1003704/
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I would rather have a faster charging method :fingers-crossed:
I to would like to know about the hyperion 2200 battery. How much more it is over the stock Samsung battery. Thanks
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battery technology just needs a major overhaul... they keep putting bigger displays, more processing power and still using similar battery capacity from the past 10 years or so..
read this article: We need better battery life and more storage space before 1080p displays arrive
Motorola is one of few companies that see battery capacity important.. still, they need to make them smaller and more power, making them bigger isn't the solution..
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I would rather have a faster charging method :fingers-crossed:
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Flash a rom with Fast Charge embedded. Aokp and a few other aosp roms have this built in and it works really well. You can get a full charge in a fraction of the time it normally takes.
tft said:
battery technology just needs a major overhaul... they keep putting bigger displays, more processing power and still using similar battery capacity from the past 10 years or so..
read this article: We need better battery life and more storage space before 1080p displays arrive
Motorola is one of few companies that see battery capacity important.. still, they need to make them smaller and more power, making them bigger isn't the solution..
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Half of that article is uninformed crap. It didn't take a genius to figure out that bigger batteries are better, but the rest of what that guy wrote was nonsense.
aquemeni said:
Flash a rom with Fast Charge embedded. Aokp and a few other aosp roms have this built in and it works really well. You can get a full charge in a fraction of the time it normally takes.
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that is not what fast charge is. all fast charge is, is allowing the phone to take as many amps as possible from a PC connection. when using AC power (or good car chargers) nothing changes.
also, BTW, the faster you charge the battery, the less life it has. (as in in you will need to replace it sooner.)
Fyi, I have 2 Anker batteries. They're nothing special. They're on par with stock, just no NFC, but cheap. I rotate through all 3 batteries regularly and can never tell the difference.
Imho, this is really the best you can expect with a battery with the same physical dimensions as stock.
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has anyone tried these?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3200mAh-...Accessories&hash=item27cb7a2d91#ht_1985wt_941
3200mah in the same size?!.. too good to be true?
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has anyone tried these?
3200mah in the same size?!.. too good to be true?
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Yes, it is too good to be true. Cheap ebay battery sellers regularly lie.
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Im going to be testing the Hyperion 2200 and Anker 2200. Ill post the updates on my battery review thread. I might test the Mugen 2300.
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Any good news on testing the Hyperion, anker or mugen ?
A 3200mah pack can be the same size as a 2100mah..
There are a few things that come into play:
- The actual case thickness of the pack
- the cell count inside.
Internally we dont know how many cells make up a stock 2100 pack. Could be a single 3.7volt cell @ 2100mah or could be 2x 3.7volt cells @ 1100mah each(wired in parallel)... the 3200 could be one single cell.
So a 3200mah lipo verywell could fit, and perhaps it just a hair thicker but still fits..