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I am new to this community (this may even be one of my first posts, i cant remeber) but ive read alot of what is going on.
this is no matter what people say a good site....but recently its unbearably slow which is really killing the community sharing help etc, the ftp got wiped out, im sure alot of the members who put worki into that are extremely annoyed, and finally there are so many people on the forum posing the same old 'help i did this' stuff...which leads to the conclusion that the faqs need an update.
well i am unsure of who the admin(s) are but it looks like you guys are struggling or do not have the time to solve these issues on your own.... which i can appreciate.
so i for one would like to offer some help...and im sure the older more experienced members would lend a hand too.
my initial thoughts would be to get some of you veterans to update the faqs try to incorporate the whole upgrading and downgrading as simply as possible... far too many ppl are trying 2005. o and a nice clear sign about the mda3 unlocking.
the other thing i feel is a necessary step is to make the ftp readonly to normal users and have a set of superusers with write access...these would be the people that use it the most or are well respected members...if someone other than them have something worth uploading then they need to send it to a superuser to check and do... its a minor point but it would provide some security without hindering those superusers that need to upload regularly.
finally the slowness.. i dont know whats causing it but theres a solution to every problem...if the server has a low throughput im sure i read somewhere someones company was willing to donate a dedicated server to our cause...wouldnt evev need donations with that.
well theres my 2 pence what do you guys think? i want this community to keep going..the only way thats gonna happen is by putting some effort in!
Tim
I wholeheartedly agree.
In recent months there has been a real decline in the quality of this forum, and though it's not particularly anyone's fault, there is SO much repetition and laziness by so many people who post the same questions AGAIN and AGAIN without taking the time to search first. There's fresh examples of this within the past day!
I don't know how others feel, but as far as I'm concerned there are certain rules that should be followed if a forum is to keep it's usefulness and keep to a structured order. I used to run one many moons ago so I know what I'm talking about. Firstly, people seem to post wherever they want, regardless of content. I can't count the number of times I've seen "help crashed my XDA2 going up to WM2003SE" in General or Development/Hacking. 99 times out of 100 it will be the Country ID error, something I've read about so many times I could now fix in my sleep. I can understand people's panic when this happens as it happened to me as well, but what I did was calm down, get on here and search for Country ID errors. Low and behold, DCS and edSub to the rescue and within half an hour I was back on the road to Upgradeville.
Secondly, there's been a general increase in the rudeness of people posting; from new members and old. Some think that it's OK to post half their question in the Subject, then go "anyone got any ideas?". Then when there's no response within a few hours, the same poster is back saying "no one seen this?" or with some insult about people not helping. Even I've had an odd dig the odd time, so I know how easily it happens.
Thirdly, the WM2005 interest is hacking me off. I can appreciate it if it solves the problems of those using it over 2003SE, but (and I can't believe I'M saying this) just cos it's out there doesn't mean we have to have it - especially considering the risks of such a topic. I'm no legal expert on this but I know MS have been coming down HARD on ANYONE hosting or posting screenshots / divulging information about an alpha product (AFAIK). I wish the moderators would remove this, and then emphasise, as they have done on tekguru, that they will not comment / tolerate any hosting or screenshots etc. I don't want to see this site shut down, and I've posted about it before, only to find a few days later some idiot HAS uploaded the files to the FTP. I bet it hasn't helped the recent slowness, quite aside from its illegality!!
http://www.tekguru.co.uk/phpBB2/index.php?article=5813
I agree Tim, I too would love to lend a hand where needed. I would be happy to help with constructing more up to date FAQs like on tekguru, and I completely agree that FTP needs to be readonly to all new users and most regular members also (prob inc me :shock: ). This site needs to get back on track, as it's still by far the most useful and helpsite resource for XDA/MDA/whatever and I would hate to see it go down the pan.
Ant
glad to see i'm not the only one willing to lend a hand
if we can get a few more people willing to help then it wont take very long at all to get this place going well again
I think Admins have abandoned XDA-Developers site time ago,but in some topics I read that they were busy with the Xanadux Project(Linux port),try to ask more to Peter Poelman e Lumpistefan about admins. 8)
So,I agree partially,there is no return from hold Win2k5,we need to keep it, we are a community,we will not share it in the FTP for security but need to know more about it,reverse it. You can't stop the knowoledge! Also Win2k3SE for XDA2,it is not officially announced,but you can read plenty of posts.
Some minor things to Upgrade,Improve in this site are:
-Create a CHAT in the site: Many users will benefit to this live communication,not only posts.
-NEW Profiles: add XDA3,Magician,etc..options
-Avatars disappeared, admin told it is for couple of weeks,some months ago.
-Improve the Search engine: Did you try to search something? it will return too many post,unrelated.
-Find and fix why XDA-Developers is so slow.
heh you just reminded me...the chat thing
i thought it would be nice to do an irc channel
and thanks for the info i will email peter... if the admins are busy with xanadux thats fine (im quite interested in the project) but we could do with someone to step in and keep this place running (peter?) and to organise a team to do what we all see as the issues.
as to the legality of win mob 2005...ive never cared about legal issues personally...but from the point of view of admin it must be removed off of xda dev...if someone hosts it somewhere and links it in a foum be it on their head... but xda dev cannot host it for their own safety
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as to the legality of win mob 2005...ive never cared about legal issues personally...but from the point of view of admin it must be removed off of xda dev...if someone hosts it somewhere and links it in a foum be it on their head... but xda dev cannot host it for their own safety
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Exactly, MS have shut down sites for simply having posted screenshots, or at least told them in no uncertain terms, to remove them. To find we have uploaded installation files to this site is a big concern to me and MUST be sorted.
Count me in!
Hi all,
I've been scrounging through these forums for a while now and have learnt a lot - cheers to all with the knowledge who are willing to share. I've managed to unlock XDA 1, 2 and 2s (ok, had to pay to sim unlock MDA3 - but found the link here! ;-) ) recently as mentioned we have a painfully slow site, a simple search provides 50 pages of mostly unrelated threads, 10 pages of which are all about the same thing! I'm more than happy to help sort out some proper FAQ pages; I've cocked up on ROM flashing due to country ID too! It's a panicky situation - none of us wants a 200-400 pound paperweight! In short - count me in for hands on help, I'd love to learn more but also help the others out a bit.
Mike
well i sent a pm to peter and no reply as yet (its only been a day so im not giving up yet) but i just read another post of someone tring to get in contact and he seemed to have very little luck... im running out of ideas here i want to help but if the main ppl are not around then we cant really do much... it looks like the admin team have gone completely awol ... im almost tempted to say we should find someon willing to do free hosting (someone mentioned it in one of th forums) and mirror the site...but that defeats the idea of having one nice place... id raher fix than replace....anyone got any ideas?
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try to ask more to Peter Poelman e Lumpistefan about admins. 8)
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I'm far away being an admin or anything else here. :roll: I'm just a normal user as you are...
But I've talked to a few of the xda-deveolpers team at the fair cebit in the middle of march. They have lot of work, so this maybe the point why they aren't so often in the forum. And i think for 99% the community just works well without any of those "admins"...
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-NEW Profiles: add XDA3,Magician,etc..options
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The profiles (XDA and XDA II) are a special patch for the phpBB-Software. Sadly this patch do not allow more than two profiles. This is the case why only those 2 profiles exists and why the forum is splitted in seperate sections (XDA, XDA II, MAgician, Blueangel, ...)
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Stefan
hey thanks for the info lumpistefan
tis a bit of a shame we cant get hold of someone able to solve the slowness and ftp issue!
with regards to the faq's im gonna try and make an introduction to the himalaya cover sim lock flashing and a few other important things in my spare time if anyone feels like working on the other hansets feel free.. my plan is to do it over next couple of weeks and post it for review make sure i cover everything.
Looks like the site is starting to get quicker again.
Well done to who ever fixed this.
Much more enjoyable browsing through the posts.
Keep up the good work.
Amphetamine dust on the cpu did the trick.
Thank you tim_programmer for starting this topic.
I am coming towards the end of a project that's been keeping me busy. Once finished, I would be happy to lend a hand also.
Whilst lumpistefan has a point about admins, I believe they are needed. Human nature dictates that while the cat's away the mice will play. Trouble is, some of the mice (the 1%) are turning into rats
As regards WM2005, although I don't agree in censorship in that we should be able to discuss it, etc., it is obvious that Microsoft are not going to tolerate very much and we (the site) are on very thin ice by allowing hosting of content and links, etc. Again, it is the admins duty to sort this out. We have pushed the envelope with stuff before, but that involved already released products.
Some of us reverse, some of us hack. We can still do that when WM2005 is released officially (in whatever language )
i agree server has got quicker...tis nice
with regards to wm2005 its only the hosting im concerned with everything else like discussing hacking reverse engineering go for it!
Ummm.... (I'm feeling like I might regret this...) it wouldn't be that hard to start an alternative website for these machines. Not that I wish to minimise the huge contribution made by xda-developers.com to the understanding and improving of these HTC devices, but if the admins on this site don't have the time to moderate it and manage it and don't respond to offers of help or support then perhaps we should form an alternative?
I'm a web developer and have worked in the past with the Minerva forum/website package ( www.project-minerva.org ) and it's very very good when you're looking for a website-in-a-box. It wouldn't be so hard to set it up and try to take some of the load off xda-developers.com while acknowledging the work that's been done here so far.
Edit - as for the site getting quicker, well it isn't for me. Just took 5 minutes to submit this post...
I don't often look at this site these days because the speed is so bad. It'll be losing regulars already I'm sure.
wow. this hasn't been posted in in forever. Sorry to revive this but there is some good info here. I want to help get this site back on track as well. I have tons of free time to dedicate as well.
Yep, got to agree. The main problem is lazyness by posters. No one reads http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4534.
There are so many infringements of 1,2,and 5.
But what can you do ? You can't just ban people, because its normally just done once or twice by somebody when they are desperate for a solution.
The problem here is, as was said higher up, the number of threads on the same subject almost makes the search useless because it is hard to find the one with the definitive answer. I try to help people but when you see a question that has been asked numerous times before you think "why should I bother, I'll have to search to point hime in the correct direction, so why can't he"
What I did suggest was that duplicated posts/repeated topics were moved to a repetition bin, and deleted after a week. But at the moment the amount of work for the mods each day would be huge.
I agree with everythig that has been said in this post, I have been browsing xda-developers for about 3 years now, altho i have only been registered about a year, as my contribution has been very little.
However i feel that my knowledge has increase greatly, mainly due to this site, and i would love to help with FAQ's, Admin, Reviews, and anything else you guys want help with. I dont have a lot of free time, but any that i do have i will gladly donate to xda-developers in the hope that we can make this site what it used to be.
I think it is obvious that something needs to be done, but at the moment we only have suggestions and unless someone steps forward with a solution that is all this post is going to be. (this sounds a bit harsh, sorry).
So here's to keeping the community alive.
Dahquim
kevino said:
Yep, got to agree. The main problem is lazyness by posters. No one reads http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4534.
What I did suggest was that duplicated posts/repeated topics were moved to a repetition bin, and deleted after a week. But at the moment the amount of work for the mods each day would be huge.
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This would be a massive task, sure, but a site this big could do with more moderators to move and delete duplicate posts. There are a lot of people who have been a member of this site for quite some time who I am sure wouldn't mind chipping in to help if they were asked, I know I would like the chance to give more back to this site after the help, support and knowledge I have gained. How many moderators do we have at the moment? Just my thoughts, I love this forum and would love to help improve it.
domain expires this year!
kevino said:
Yep, got to agree. The main problem is lazyness by posters. No one reads http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4534.
There are so many infringements of 1,2,and 5.
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Yes but that's your standard problem on all forums. The underlying problem is that the administrators have abandoned us. We need a few full time mods to make everything runs smoother. A LOT needs to be updated.
One of the biggest problems i noticed with the site immediately was it's speed. The one place we can improove the sites speed almost instantly is the search. There is NO search flood control in place. There is also no limit on the minimum size of a search string. So it's capturing at the at, or, it, to, etc. searches. Id needs to have wildcards enabled. and filter out two letter searches. (maybe even three, but with the phone names the filtering might just be a pain)
Also i don't know if anyone realizes but www.xda-developers.com will expire on 12/12 of 2006. I have emailed the person that is registered under the domain name and haven't received a reply yet. If i don't soon I may just go to a third party and reserve the domain when it expires. Although there's also the problem of getting all the infinite information off this guys server which is probably sitting in his basement in the netherlands.
It would be ideal to get another server and mirror this site on it as .net or something. But i don't know if we currently have enough traffic to generate the kind of revenue needed to keep the thing paid for.
And as a side note. Does anyone know how i can download from the ftp? It just disconnects me instantly with flashfxp, firefox, or ie.
[edit] also the search needs to have more options and a "titles only" search would greatly help narrow things down. There needs to be a "README: How to search" sticky detailing boolean searches.
Hey guys,
New to this board, but not to Android dev in general. I'm actually making this thread to gauge interest in an Android theme site? A quick search showed that there were at least 2 others considering sites, but nothing solid.
Since I make themes for phones, I'd actually started on a site a while back based on my iPhone theme site. The iPhone site was scrapped for the same reason the Android one was: it's way too hard to theme for average users! There's too much technical stuff, so I didn't think it would be worth it to make a site for a small group.
I've been revisiting the idea lately though since I stumbled upon the source code, and I still have the domain I grabbed last year. So, show of hands, anyone interested?
uh, actually the theme site is almost done, and there is already a ROM site in development, if you would like to help go here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3807449#post3807449
thank you.
and, i dont see any of your themes anywhere, you signed up this month, have one post to date, and you spelled your user name wrong.
Clearly I ruffled your feathers.. I'll assume you're one of the ones working on the theme site.
As far as not seeing my themes anywhere, did you not read that I said that I scrapped the site because the public at large wouldn't benefit from it? As for me signing up this month, I signed up TODAY and I made note of the fact that I was new in my post.
I understand you may feel in someway threatened, but tone it down a bit.
*edit* so I did misspell the name (or rather mistyped on the iPhone I posted from). *tosses a cookie*
no offense, i have just seen 4 other people this month try to start a theme website while we have one in the works. and having so many people working on so many sites it would just turn into a mess. it seemed a little odd that your account was so new yet you said you had been theming for awhile.
if you seriously want to work on a theme site, then please go to the thread stated above, leave your info, check out what they have built so far.
we can definitely use the help.
i just didnt want to see another seemingly n00b trying to make yet another theme website.
i apologize for being rash in the first post, however you have to admit it looked a little odd, especially with the themesdroid thread on the same page.
Understandable, and I concede to your point. No noob here though, have been building websites for years.
For reference, www.ithemer.com is an old domain and is an example of the type of site that we had started for droidthemer - you can also check the whois and see that it wasn't just made today
As I said, I did do a search, but I didn't take note of the date, I thought it was a dead project as I did see posts discussing what to use and delays etc. For the most part, this was a completed site (including making screenshots from the uploaded assets - something ithemer has as well) that just never saw the light of day.
If these guys are going to launch soon and have the backing of the community, there isn't a need for another one.
theme site
DriodThemer said:
Hey guys,
New to this board, but not to Android dev in general. I'm actually making this thread to gauge interest in an Android theme site? A quick search showed that there were at least 2 others considering sites, but nothing solid.
Since I make themes for phones, I'd actually started on a site a while back based on my iPhone theme site. The iPhone site was scrapped for the same reason the Android one was: it's way too hard to theme for average users! There's too much technical stuff, so I didn't think it would be worth it to make a site for a small group.
I've been revisiting the idea lately though since I stumbled upon the source code, and I still have the domain I grabbed last year. So, show of hands, anyone interested?
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Did you pay attention to where you posted. THEME'S & WALLPAPER under Dream. Whats wrong with posting here? The only people that have issues finding what they need don't use search. As others have mentioned there have already been suggestions for this. Not to be a jerk but devs post here and update their threads here. They're already busy enough with theirs projects. I'm not speaking for them but doubt they'd post here and then somewhere else and then somewhere else again, etc...
malaeus said:
uh, actually the theme site is almost done, and there is already a ROM site in development, if you would like to help go here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3807449#post3807449
thank you.
and, i dont see any of your themes anywhere, you signed up this month, have one post to date, and you spelled your user name wrong.
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If there was a like button below posts, or a star tab, I would click it 800 times for this post. LOL!
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Did you pay attention to where you posted. THEME'S & WALLPAPER under Dream. Whats wrong with posting here? The only people that have issues finding what they need don't use search. As others have mentioned there have already been suggestions for this. Not to be a jerk but devs post here and update their threads here. They're already busy enough with theirs projects. I'm not speaking for them but doubt they'd post here and then somewhere else and then somewhere else again, etc...
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I'm actually not sure what your post means. I'm not being sarcastic either. I don't get what you mean about devs being busy with their projects? I'm not asking any devs to join in? I was asking if anyone was interested in the launch of a mostly-complete site.
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If there was a like button below posts, or a star tab, I would click it 800 times for this post. LOL!
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Why so? Did you read our exchange past his initial (understandable) suspicions? Or were you just out for a good "burn"?
as I have said, if there is no interest, or another option is just about done, then no biggie. I'm not here to spam, flame or cause problems. I'd appreciate the same respect.
A break
I'd just like to say, that this person has already admited to being new to the forum. It has been established that this person has experience in modding
software for mobile devices, as well as designing websites. I am of the opinion that this person could be a valuable asset to this community. I don't think it is
a good idea to act so rashly to someone who obviously isn't familiar with the vast amount of new people who just post wherever.
Try to be a little more positive. If every new poster is treated with this type of elitist attitude it doesn't make for an enjoyable experience, and they could be
turned away from the forum.
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I'd just like to say, that this person has already admited to being new to the forum. It has been established that this person has experience in modding
software for mobile devices, as well as designing websites. I am of the opinion that this person could be a valuable asset to this community. I don't think it is
a good idea to act so rashly to someone who obviously isn't familiar with the vast amount of new people who just post wherever.
Try to be a little more positive. If every new poster is treated with this type of elitist attitude it doesn't make for an enjoyable experience, and they could be
turned away from the forum.
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I agree, if he'd like to start his own site let him, we already have 1 theme site that has been up for a while while the other one is still being planned. For other phones there are multiple sites, what does it matter how many there are if it serves the community as a whole. And just because Driod is new doesn't mean he hasn't themed for android before. I'm sure there are plenty of people on other sites that make themes that are never seen here. XDA is not the only place people go for android discussions.
Thanks for the words daryl. As I said, I don't really fault him for being suspicious off the bat, in a tight-knit community that may be prone to spam/noobness, it's easy to become accustomed to raising the eyebrow first.
I was more annoyed with the follow-up posters that didn't seem to read the thread but still wanted to jump on the bandwagon.
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I agree, if he'd like to start his own site let him, we already have 1 theme site that has been up for a while while the other one is still being planned.
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I know themesdroid is planned, is there one already live? Competition is good, but at the same time, you don't want to beat a dead horse. If there's a good solution, let it ride.
Also, a site like this doesn't thrive without the help of the community, so again, I'm sorry if I ruffled any feathers, it wasn't my intention
how insecure do you have to be malaeus (or whatever)
Oh my god Malaeus or whatever his name is being super lame for acting like a complete jackass. I nominate him for douchebag of the year; I mean how completely rude of you to act like you own the internet (who are you supposed to be? Al Gore). GOD FOBID someone make a website about something they like. I guess androidguys.com droiddev droidappz g1wallz allshadow and ****ing HTC & T-Mobile must have his expressed written consent to create anything G1 related huh? I personally have sold/designed 7 websites these past two months and don't recall asking anyone in the related fields if I could do so before buying the domain names. Jesus, lose the lame ass god complex (or short man's syndrome) as for DroidThemer, I personally will register to your site simply because I'm not an ahole who is afraid of change/challenge or competition. Maybe someone (malaeus) should try to get off their high horse or learn a little common courtesy. DroidThemer as a fellow graphic/web-designer id love to help in any way to design your site. Email me.
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Did you pay attention to where you posted. THEME'S & WALLPAPER under Dream. Whats wrong with posting here? The only people that have issues finding what they need don't use search. As others have mentioned there have already been suggestions for this. Not to be a jerk but devs post here and update their threads here. They're already busy enough with theirs projects. I'm not speaking for them but doubt they'd post here and then somewhere else and then somewhere else again, etc...
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Looks like parmijo11 is not paying attention, as the guy clearly stated that he themes for bot iphone and android. ugh, had to add my 2 cents.
i want to point out another fact to people mainly maleus just because you dont have alot of posts on the forum doesnt mean anything take a look at when i signed up and how many posts i have to date not many but that doesnt mean i dont know anything ive made alot of themes not only for android but also windows mobile, manilla 2d, and blackberry but alot of my themes i did not post, mine were mainly for personal use or for friends who had requests but couldnt find the theme they wanted. but now we all know why i dont have many post because of people that dont have any common courtesy for other people and in the end its those ppl that are hurting the rest of the community not the people that come on here start an account and use their first post to propose a genuinely good idea !!!
Well, if there is honest interest, I could go forward with producing the site. I had an idea to help make themes ROM-agnostic, but it looks like even if it worked, it would be obsolete in a few months when people start altering the XML layout files.
i say go for it
alright, gonna finish up this theme site for another platform and then look into the best way to execute that
I honestly see this community if it keeps up like it is with all the [email protected] being talked in this thread going to turn into the Evo one. For those that don't know quick back story. 2 major shops have split the community because of there hate for another and have blasted both who support them. This is how this is looking. Look at the Honda community its all apart and will never be like it used to be because of this. This is NOT what we need to happen here. Please make this site and for kicks talk with the guys doing the other one and link them because only good thing that comes from multiple sites are compition and I'm sorry but if there was only one car company it would produce crap because it could. 2 major sites "fighting" but acting like one will only make sure both are on top of there game. So please one more beg of making the site.
alright, what I'm going to do initially is just allow uploading of wallpapers and themes and specification of which ROM it's for. When I get a little time, I'll fight with the idea of automatically porting themes.
I know there are some ROMs whose themes are similar so that shouldn't be an issue. So perhaps I'll make it where you can check off if you want the site to try to port for you or you can upload your own port.
cool
go for it!
i shall be your first member
Hello XDA community,
I've been looking around this site for a while now, mostly getting cool apps for my HTC Touch Pro2. And this is maybe my 3rd actual post on these forums. But I just wanted to taka a moment to point out the quality of this community.
There seem to be apps and fixed for pretty much eveything, making my phone so much better. But, more important then that, people seem to be very willing to help eachother out. In a non-selfish way. A lot of devs have the option to donate to them, but they never require people to pay for their brilliant work. Users who have issues with their phone often get helped out in a matter of hours.
Having said the above, I'm surprised a rather large community still has these qualities. Therefor I dedicate this thread to XDA
So yea, that's about it
Yeah!
This is a great community
Read, Search, Respect and Enjoy!
Thanks, it is a great community! Have Fun & Happy Flashing!
toasteda said:
Hello XDA community,
I've been looking around this site for a while now, mostly getting cool apps for my HTC Touch Pro2. And this is maybe my 3rd actual post on these forums. But I just wanted to taka a moment to point out the quality of this community.
There seem to be apps and fixed for pretty much eveything, making my phone so much better. But, more important then that, people seem to be very willing to help eachother out. In a non-selfish way. A lot of devs have the option to donate to them, but they never require people to pay for their brilliant work. Users who have issues with their phone often get helped out in a matter of hours.
Having said the above, I'm surprised a rather large community still has these qualities. Therefor I dedicate this thread to XDA
So yea, that's about it
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How great your info is!But Can you give some more sample questions and answers.I really want to get more info about this topicIt really useful for me. Thanks.
dgfhg said:
How great your info is!But Can you give some more sample questions and answers.I really want to get more info about this topicIt really useful for me. Thanks.
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I'm sorry, I did not realize that creating a topic which is simply complementing the entire community was a crime (sarcasm)
EDIT: I see you're banned now actually, explains the silly post you made...
Remember how in High School or College you would have to DO YOUR RESEARCH to find your information before turning it in to your teacher or professor?...So far in the past 12 months this XDA School Research Skill and Overall GPA has dropped. In this SGSII class of the school, we are bringing our GPA up, and now we are on a level thats "considered passing". I was a new student in this class about 2 weeks ago and everyone made me feel like I was at home, but the rest of the school im not to sure about. XDA school was the one everyone went to about everything Android. Now since the teachers and students are slowly turning in degrees, we are loosing a lot of our students and teachers to other schools. We cannot let this happen because this is where it all started. We have to start gaining the quality of our school back, our prestige is dropping.
So lets get started...
Instead of teachers having to spend extra time assisting students, students should learn to RESEARCH and Experiment on their own time. Teachers only volunteer at this school. No paychecks, pensions, workman's compensation, just breaks and retiremen. Teachers should help students more and explain things more in a detailed fashion. XDA School is changing so we have to change with it. Dont fight it, go with the flow and make it work for everyone. There has to be a line to draw in the middle, where students can help one another, troubleshoot, and have fun with the teachers. Im a teacher myself and comming up with lesson plans that will hold everyone in the class over until I write a new one is not easy. Sleep is lost, donations are good, but overall not good enough to deal with the stress in our personal lives because we all go through it. Competition is always present but thats no excuse for teachers to critique other teachers. We may not be together in reality but we are a community, so lets act like it.
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good luck. Popularity of this site attracts the people in school who just want to get by and have all the answers given to them. I can't see this thread going in the right direction. These threads just make things worse to be honest
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good luck. Popularity of this site attracts the people in school who just want to get by and have all the answers given to them...
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to be specific
... on a silver platter and spoon fed
it's not just this section, it's all over XDA, all the popular devices are like that, even the new GN section
jessejames111981 said:
good luck. Popularity of this site attracts the people in school who just want to get by and have all the answers given to them. I can't see this thread going in the right direction. These threads just make things worse to be honest
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I just thought it more people were aware of the issues we would be able to fix them together. Ill just have the principle close the class down if students and or teachers start to bring it down.
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AllGamer said:
to be specific
... on a silver platter and spoon fed
it's not just this section, it's all over XDA, all the popular devices are like that, even the new GN section
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Thats such a shame, i have been around since android rooting started and being here on XDA was considered a privilege
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I miss people being go getters and trying to learn stuff themselves. I think everyone is willing to help a noob but only if they are willing to help themselves. That's what we have a lack of, people trying to help themselves.
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I miss people being go getters and trying to learn stuff themselves. I think everyone is willing to help a noob but only if they are willing to help themselves. That's what we have a lack of, people trying to help themselves.
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The worse part about it is, the quality of the issues people report in threads. Most of the time they are "non issue issues" Meaning its not a bug in the ROM just a problem that they are having.
They will post their problem and hope for someone to get a fix for them and get upset when people flame them. The people who can fix the problem have no right to flame either. Fighting fire with fire has become way to common here. The people dont say things like "I looked online in such and such place but i dont understand what its telling me, or this method is outdated any updates on it", nothing like that, that shows they were putting fourth an effort in the first place. It was such a joy for me to research and learn because it led me to create ROMs and themes. I felt a lot better when I figured out how to fix my own problems and it made me a better Rooted android user.
I think te problem is "free stuff" attracts those type of people. Google has done a great thing with the open source stuff. I wish there was a system in place that encouraged organized companies to produce ROMs, granite that means those roms would be pay only and the current system doesn't work with it. You can choose to stick with the stock touchwiz rom OR you could pay to run aosp made by company X or you could download a free rom made by thursday. How much has this community donated to various devs in "hopes" they dev something good?
Android has blown up recently and people like to customize their phone. Old days of only tech geeks using roms are gone. People need answers fed to them. If they paid money for a rom they should be entitled to those answers given to them.
Agreed..
DARKSIDE...join us we have nice treats T989
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I think te problem is "free stuff" attracts those type of people. Google has done a great thing with the open source stuff. I wish there was a system in place that encouraged organized companies to produce ROMs, granite that means those roms would be pay only and the current system doesn't work with it. You can choose to stick with the stock touchwiz rom OR you could pay to run aosp made by company X or you could download a free rom made by thursday. How much has this community donated to various devs in "hopes" they dev something good?
Android has blown up recently and people like to customize their phone. Old days of only tech geeks using roms are gone. People need answers fed to them. If they paid money for a rom they should be entitled to those answers given to them.
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Yea brother, i mean ill say yea again to that one. If people actually paid for me to deliver week in and week out id quit my day job seriously to work right here from home.
if you want money just have sammy start a thread for you
I was here from the start with the G1, granted out was a few months after the release, buy nonetheless I did my own research asked questions when I was TRULY stuck and solved my own problems by searching the threads/forums. People come in here (XDA) and "flame" one another for asking a question and folks that come in here creating threads and posts REPEATEDLY about the same topic. It honestly needs to be stopped and monitored more closely because all it does is clutter threads and makes it difficult for those trying to do it on their own.
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I haven't been here as long as most but since I joined when I purchased my evo it went from thank you to gimme gimme. Not to mention the flame fests,including entire threads filled with pics about the ensuing flame fest. Infractions should start being issued a lot more frequently and even to the point of issuing them to the members who post nothing questions over and over again and get in a tiff when they don't get an answer for "why is my phone crashing after I didn't wipe from cm7 to sense"anyways just wish it would go back to respect and appreciation.
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as ridiculous as it seems, Maybe their should be an entire thread dedicated to a Roms "Issues" - I know creating another thread means another one to view, but jesus think about how many times a market error question could be answered by the title of a thread there and the amount of pages it would save on any given rom. I know this is literally bending to the will of noobs who won't research, but if you can't teach them, at least try to confine them
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if you want money just have sammy start a thread for you
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???...I dont follow you.
I never ask people to donate. Hes doing a bounty to get Eugene373 here.
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hunterjay7 said:
as ridiculous as it seems, Maybe their should be an entire thread dedicated to a Roms "Issues" - I know creating another thread means another one to view, but jesus think about how many times a market error question could be answered by the title of a thread there and the amount of pages it would save on any given rom. I know this is literally bending to the will of noobs who won't research, but if you can't teach them, at least try to confine them
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I see what your saying but that defeats the purpose, if i create a market error thread, then theyll ask for just about everything, the flood gates would open right up. If people would stop being lazy then everything would be ok.
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if you want money just have sammy start a thread for you
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Lol
SGSII T989~ juggernaut v4.1~synergy v0.10
jessejames111981 said:
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lmfao 10char
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???...I dont follow you.
I never ask people to donate. Hes doing a bounty to get Eugene373 here.
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Its an inside joke (a good one too) based on the amount of bounty threads he does and how quick he is to start them.
Reading this thread bummed me out. I'm somewhat new to all of this, and in the last couple of months have learned an INSANE amount about the android OS and how to make it "mine". I would have never been able to do so without the much appreciated help of all the knowledgeable people here on XDA. Yes, I agree, there are a crazy amount of duplicate posts, and pricks, and mindless idiots who for some reason have no issue posting a bash on a hard working dev for no apparent reason (f#& k those morons). Here is my question. What do you think of someone like me, who asks questions when he is stuck, and probably will continue to do so whenever he is hopelessly stuck, but always shows appreciation for valuable help received? There seem to be plenty of people here who enjoy helping noobs like me. I've helped a few, and it felt pretty good.
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Community Engagement on xda developers
Where has the spirit gone of developers, making something better for all.
We like to make our devices better then what "stock" brings us.
But some people seem to forget what we are doing here: Create & Share
Why do people think that the "Open Source" software we are modifying or hacking is theirs to claim or Copyright.
Why are we not sharing and making better what others create...
Has the spirit here really gone?
And do we just want FAME ! !
If I was to create an app and hack Android, HTC or Samsung software by re-writing and adding code to it.
If this took me hours to do, this is still "Open Source" and people can copy my code in to their work.
The devs here are all working in a "Grey" area, and it's really hard not to see your work else where.
Consider it as a compliment if it is that way.
It took Google, HTC & Samsung hours to create what they made, do we care, and not touch it...
I don't think so ! !
HTC encrypts the Sense software because they don't want people to modify it... Do we care?
I don't think so...
So why do people/devs here on xda think that they can claim it for themselves?
Why do other devs get banned, or threads get closed if something similar is published?
We all Kang from Google, HTC & Samsung, but if we use some code from our fellow devs on xda, are we doing something wrong?
I don't get this!
I would really like this to be an open discussion, and try to clear this up for all of us.
My intention is not to start a fight, so please reply in a civilized way.
This also not directed to anybody in person
I hope the XDA staff can put themselves in my/our position, and try to understand it from this point of view.
My thoughts 1 day later @ post 141
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After a full day on this thread, I got more response then what I expected.
Thank you all for your participation.
You took the time to read this and give your opinion.
You all made me grow in my opinion, and maybe even change it a bit
What did it bring me:
Sharing now is for me: Collectively Developing (tnx Hacre)
I have no problems in being wrong, and might not have picked the correct words in some parts.
HIS POST
Good explanation on how the staff thinks
Thanks to my friend Russ for his well spoken words
HIS POST - HIS POST
What is reasonable and what not.
Tnx Ben, my fellow team member got me thinking as well
HIS POST - HIS POST
What am I gonna do now
beside building a rom and a kernel....
Gonna dig even more in the smali code (tnx af974)
HIS POST - HIS POST
For me this discussion is finished... Tnx ALL I'm gonna move on...
If the staff thinks the same, lock it for reference.
Cheers
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The ETHOS of XDA-Developers
Back when I was a Senior Moderator, I was asked to put into words what the mythical Ethos of XDA-Developers was. This was then debated by the moderators, Administrators and owners, it was never formally adopted but it was accepted by most as the closest anyone had come to defining what XDA is (was).
Ethos: an English word based on a Greek word and denotes the guiding beliefs or ideals that characterize a community, a nation or an ideology.
XDA-Developers was founded on the simple principal that SHARING IS GOOD and when many people SHARE what they know, EVERYONE benefits. We exist upon this Ethos, we respect each other, we SHARE with each other, we do not judge one another and we HELP all who ask. We believe that while some may have more knowledge than another, none are more important.
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It pains me greatly to see how XDA has degraded over the years to become a playground of egos and pissing contests between little boys who think they own what they stole from someone else.
I have been a strong supporter of XDA for many, many years but, I find my desire to support XDA is waning as the climate of sharing and camaraderie shift toward a climate of ownership and entitlement.
agreed so many phones left behind due to ego and epeen ppl always bailing on phones just because its not popular it takes work to get publicity ...
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it was the same issues on the galaxy s2. people kanging others and people getting annoyed and ending up releasing stuff with the exclusivity and banning others from using it.
android is an open source at the end of the day. if someone wants to kang someone as long as credits are given and links to the originator's thread what is wrong with that? at the end of the day it should be a compliment to the originator that someone wants to kang your work and share it with the masses.
now i can understand if someone passes something over as their own and did not give credits. that is wrong and the culprits should be banned. but as stated above if proper credits are given then i do not see the harm in things.
but again on the flip side though if i was to spend hours and hours on something then the person who asks me for permission they should respect that i do not want to share...it kinda goes both ways really so it is hard to judge...but there are devs and themers included who act like real divas and most of the time now they do things for fame as Danny mentioned.
at the end of the day we are xda and we are here as a community and here to make our phones better and that is why the devs on this awesome site come in...devs should be sharing ideas together..not competing against each other
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agreed so many phones left behind due to ego and epeen ppl always bailing on phones just because its not popular it takes work to get publicity ...
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Not sure we are talking about the same thing here my friend, its a much more important subject, sharing, the main reason XDA exists (or so I thought)
btw, thanked u when i was trying to quote ya, oh well, Ill share some love
There is really no better way to say it as both Danny and Russ summarized it very well. We are all here for one reason and one reason only, to SHARE. Isnt this what the "community" is about? I just hope the admins take a moment and reevaluate some of the people with powers around.
Ah before I forget, if you are gonna patent your "ideas" I really think its time for you to get a hold of apple, you already qualified with this mentality and in MY opinion, you do NOT belong here.
OK done venting... Thank u for listening.
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Not sure we are talking about the same thing here my friend, its a much more important subject, sharing, the main reason XDA exists (or so I thought)
btw, thanked u when i was trying to quote ya, oh well, Ill share some love
There is really no better way to say it as both Danny and Russ summarized it very well. We are all here for one reason and one reason only, to SHARE. Isnt this what the "community" is about? I just hope the admins take a moment and reevaluate some of the people with powers around.
Ah before I forget, if you are gonna patent your "ideas" I really think its time for you to get a hold of apple, you already qualified with this mentality and in MY opinion, you do NOT belong here.
OK done venting... Thank u for listening.
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oh trust me it happens in other forums as well. sometimes xda favors those who they want to favor and do not pay any attention to the other party and they side with those who they want to side with..it looks like politics sometimes and whoever is the topdog here should re-valuate the way the mods run the show here.
But the other thing though is devs who do not want to share there work, the dev who asked for permission and got knocked back should respect the other dev's decision. like i said at my post above it goes both ways. we can share but we can also not share as well....it is a difficult scenario really...but kanging and not getting permission is wrong
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oh trust me it happens in other forums as well. sometimes xda favors those who they want to favor and do not pay any attention to the other party and they side with those who they want to side with..it looks like politics sometimes and whoever is the topdog here should re-valuate the way the mods run the show here.
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Thats an other part of the discussion...
Who has the best friends here at XDA will win...
And those discussions are behind close doors.. As it would be better to show the "community" how they come to a decision.
And my post did not come out off the blue, but got me thinking on thinks that happend somewhere this week...
and made me a bit mad and disappointed @ xda
And I see a lot of people pushing the "thanks" button.. but I would like them to reply even more (hint xda staff )
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Thats an other part of the discussion...
Who has the best friends here at XDA will win...
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ahh mate that is so true. but not going to get into that. things should stay private specially between devs and mods. but sometimes us normal members like me would like to know what goes on though cause at the end of the day all this pickering effects the users of the roms cause we are the ones who miss out on class roms...so sometimes acting like kids is not always the best way to go about.
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ahh mate that is so true. but not going to get into that. things should stay private specially between devs and mods. but sometimes us normal members like me would like to know what goes on though cause at the end of the day all this pickering effects the users of the roms cause we are the ones who miss out on class roms...so sometimes acting like kids is not always the best way to go about.
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I would not wanna see the whole discussion, but they could publish the outcome in the thread(s) involved. So the community knows what happend and why.
And if all devs did share, the users would have even more choice to pick from.
And if all devs did share, the hack/tweak would only get better/bigger.
Here is my view on it.... we all agree that the spirit of XDA is about sharing. So if a certain person has spent many hours on programming/creating something and refuses to share it... why post it on XDA in the first place. I just don't get it, because in my eyes that's something small children do when one has something better than the others and refuses to share.
If you want to go 'look at what I've done, isn't it good, aren't I good?' And then go 'but you can't use it, because if you do I'm going to throw a tantrum...' Don't post it on XDA... somewhere, where the main rule is about sharing what you've done.
Just my opinion
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One of the main reason why I choose android is because of the openess of it. The reason why I'm in XDA is because of some great devs/hackers who spend time creating something wonderful and share it with the community without expecting anything in return. I really hope it stays that way.
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I would not wanna see the whole discussion, but they could publish the outcome in the thread(s) involved. So the community knows what happend and why.
And if all devs did share, the users would have even more choice to pick from.
And if all devs did share, the hack/tweak would only get better/bigger.
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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you (at least in the part of permissions). If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.
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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you. If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.
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I know you and me never saw eye to eye but you could not have put it any better. Well written post.
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In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
I have to agree with the the majority so far, it does seem against the open source culture in which XDA tries to foster.
It does seem with the increase in "kanging" it creates a conundrum for Mods & Admins as to how to manage this, Do we enforce sharing? Do we try to create our own sort of "patent" system in which certain things must be shared under a so called "fair" use and other items such as themes for example be left under the current system we have as present?
We need to find a consensus amongst us as a community with a right way to proceed with this maybe danny could add a poll this to garner opinion on weather people would like to keep the current system or change it to get some sort of indication on weather the current system is working or not.
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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you. If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.
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I think you have a real good point there.
All that is released on XDA is under sharing policy.
And not to be claimed.
Credits are the least we could do...
btw: noting happend to me, but to members close to me.. But thanks
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In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
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Please take this in consideration, cause this is what made me mad on xda for the decission it made this week, and what made me start this open discussion.
af974 said:
In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
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Very well said, but to stay in your example, couldn't it be that the rom WITHOUT the two apk's is really "better" (in the sense of "more popular") than the original? And as long as the creator of that second version stats in his OP the he took the complete work of dev 1 and streamlined it, shouldn't that be enough?
You are absolutely right. The problem really is that some (more and more) guys lack that deserved respect for developers and just don't credit the source, thus pi... off the creator and making him "close" the source, thus restraining true development (if only by removing two apk ). The way to ensure a "fair use" should be discussed and finally fixed. Staying with the situation we have now, that ppl can keep others from using their bits more or less deliberately, maybe just because they don't like their "nose", can't be right. If there are good reasons (history of kanging or whatever), thats something else again.
I'm very sorry, cause I'm not a real dev or themer or contributor, just a young Andoid user and member who's integrated one team after pass sometime to found or help others xda members.
Why I came here on xda site. I'm french, my english is average, but some french forums bored me, that's why I came here, for all that @danny, @russ try to explain in this thread.
And since a couple of time, all of this spirit is gone. For what ?
Money, glory, respect...maybe? But I think not for the last term.
I am here because I want to share and help other members.
But also and because the eco-system Android allows this exchange and to move forward development for the pleasure of all.
Then stop, stop theses local wars and let yours feets on earth.
If you want to make some money, don't diffuse your codes, I think it's not necessary to stay here. Open your site and nobody will be able to take your codes.
Thanks for your listening
Here are my feelings on it.
What has angered me with certain attitudes towards sharing in xda recently, is that it seems to have been initially offered, then retracted. We are given a taste, then told "no more, go make your own". Was the plan to hook us like junkies, then we'd all only have one place to run to for our "fix"? Then when we are all hooked, the price goes up? No more freedom. Only one choice. Is that how you should gain followers on xda? I think we've been treated like guinea pigs then discarded. Permission is withdrawn, refused, then terms like "respect" get banded about. Don't treat us like this.
So we break free. Start from fresh. We are off the hook. Clean. But someone doesn't like us off the hook, pushing our own "product" and, worried about some false notion of competition or turf invasion, goes to lengths to make sure there is only one messiah.
Except this isn't a competition. We are not rivals in different factions or tribes or gangs depending on what Rom we choose to get involved with. We should not be in it for glory, or to be the "Big Dog" whose Rom is forbidden fruit to be envied by those who choose to wear the wrong colors. We are not looking to amass the biggest army as a mark of our success.
Why has this gotten this far? Without getting bogged down in the legalities of open source and gpl, I just think some people in high places need to take a step back. Stop and think. Where do you draw the line between keeping healthy community, encouraging development, and simply looking after your "homies"?
I feel this line is currently drawn in the wrong place. And it didn't use to be.
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There does need to be a clear consensus and line drawn, so we can all ensure that the rules are clear and followed.
That being said; I, like many agree but also disagree.
Sharing here is much like in a store; you as a consumer have a choice. Now albeit here we do not pay for your 'goods' we do still take certain risks(warranty's etc). Now, XDA is also about offering choice so if the sharing policy extends to the point that we can take everything then what choice will be left. Much like you see everywhere on XDA choice is being eliminated everywhere as more builds are essentially the same but for a few wallpapers and tweaks in the build.prop which quite frankly ruins the whole point of having choice and there being more than one available.
Fair enough if someone has spent hours/days/weeks making something and shares it here but that shouldn't automatically then mean that every other 'dev' can bang it in theirs. All they have to do it ctrl+c, ctrl+v the thing after all your hard spent effort on it. The developer should be allowed to be proud of their work and it not to be diluted with it being everywhere. Yes I think we should help, share and combine efforts but if you have improved something and don't wish to share it then fair enough there is no law to state you have to and should someone effectively plagiarise your work then there should be punishments.
If I ask someone for something I would like and they say no, then I go get it myself or do without. I don't just take it anyway, that's what babies do when they don't understand the laws of society which even apply when you are online.
That's my input.